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Post by pom on Feb 24, 2012 21:39:20 GMT -5
This is for UK friends to discuss recent happenings in Scotland.
What changes have been made to the worker's list?
Is it all shrouded in secrecy or is the church being informed? What are the priorities? Are guidelines being followed? I am hoping it is so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 23:27:20 GMT -5
Let's hope kids are safe because parents are aware.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 25, 2012 0:27:27 GMT -5
This is for UK friends to discuss recent happenings in Scotland. What changes have been made to the worker's list? Is it all shrouded in secrecy or is the church being informed? What are the priorities? Are guidelines being followed? I am hoping it is so. I would certainly hope that the church will be informed. It is gonna be kinda hard to keep quiet the fact that the overseer has stepped down, another worker removed from the work, and a new overseer brought in...... Not sure how that is going to be kept quiet, as the info is already around the world. And yeah, this is a good time to be following the suggestions in the Guidelines. |
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Post by asking on Feb 25, 2012 4:06:00 GMT -5
Is this in England or Scotland?
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Post by haggis lover on Feb 25, 2012 6:29:28 GMT -5
scotland, where Black Donald walks amongst us. Why the changes? If it's criminal are senior workers covering it up? What is Scots law regarding abuse of little children? Are workers exempt? Where is RAM?
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Post by goofy on Feb 25, 2012 8:36:01 GMT -5
Haggis Lover
A worker has advised me that a senior Scottish brother has been removed from the work due to sex issues - implication was it was csa.
Poor old UK- south of the border they have parents fretting over the
use of workers funds to buy property (and how they can defend it to children who have been taught up to now that workers are without supporting funds). Now , up in the north parents have issues around children safety that need close examining.
Workers better knuckle down to do a good communication job on this and quick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 11:48:12 GMT -5
scotland, where Black Donald walks amongst us. Why the changes? If it's criminal are senior workers covering it up? What is Scots law regarding abuse of little children? Are workers exempt? Where is RAM? In Scotland csa is covered by both common law and statutory law. As a result of the former there is no escape route for misdemeanours from the distant past via statutory limitations of time. We do not have a system of Mandatory Reporting over here, something that I am becoming more thankful for as time goes by. Hopefully the workers will fulfill their clear moral, civic and Christian responsibilities and obligations in this case. So far I have heard very little about the case. It seems to be "breaking news!" However, I am largely out of the loop these days. However, if anyone connected with this case, including the alleged perpetrator (whom I knew very well when I professed) wishes to contact me for whatever reason, I can assure them of complete trust, understanding, non-judgementalism, strict confidentiality and Christian love. |
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Post by Are you sure on Feb 25, 2012 14:44:31 GMT -5
Haggis Lover A worker has advised me that a senior Scottish brother has been removed from the work due to sex issues - implication was it was csa. Poor old UK- south of the border they have parents fretting over the use of workers funds to buy property (and how they can defend it to children who have been taught up to now that workers are without supporting funds). Now , up in the north parents have issues around children safety that need close examining. Workers better knuckle down to do a good communication job on this and quick. Did a Scottish worker tell you that.we heard it was heart problems that run in the family that was the problem wih the worker concerned.did the worker know for sure it was sex issues or was it speculation. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 14:56:43 GMT -5
Haggis Lover A worker has advised me that a senior Scottish brother has been removed from the work due to sex issues - implication was it was csa. Poor old UK- south of the border they have parents fretting over the use of workers funds to buy property (and how they can defend it to children who have been taught up to now that workers are without supporting funds). Now , up in the north parents have issues around children safety that need close examining. Workers better knuckle down to do a good communication job on this and quick. Did a Scottish worker tell you that.we heard it was heart problems that run in the family that was the problem wih the worker concerned.did the worker know for sure it was sex issues or was it speculation. If you are referring to the overseer who has stepped down, there are no commonly known allegations of sexual offenses against him. |
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Post by Are you sure on Feb 25, 2012 15:05:10 GMT -5
Did a Scottish worker tell you that.we heard it was heart problems that run in the family that was the problem wih the worker concerned.did the worker know for sure it was sex issues or was it speculation. If you are referring to the overseer who has stepped down, there are no commonly known allegations of sexual offenses against him. Thanks,but i'm referring to the other worker who somebody said has been removed from the work- what we heard was that he was unable to be in the work at present because of health problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 15:07:56 GMT -5
Good, I was worried that someone else's reputation may get unnecessarily tarnished. I would suggest contacting a senior worker you may know for more information. Perhaps John Gunn or Graham Snow for example.
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Post by esc862 on Feb 25, 2012 18:24:12 GMT -5
hmmmm
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 25, 2012 20:19:57 GMT -5
They would be good ones to contact. They know the details of what happened, so I am sure that they will give you an honest and open answer.
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Post by Karen Fletcher on Feb 26, 2012 2:48:11 GMT -5
Hi
I would like to re-iterate that if there is anyone involved in the situation in Scotland who needs to talk , I am more than willing to be there. I am involved in Child Protection for a children's organisation, so have some knowledge of the processes to be followed.
For those who don't know me, my name is Karen Fletcher , nee Duncan. I was B &R in Scotland, and have been out for many years.
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Post by Happy Feet on Feb 26, 2012 2:57:37 GMT -5
Hi Karen
But you have disabled or deleted your account so how can people contact you? If you sign your account in again then people can PM you on this page.
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Post by onlooker on Feb 26, 2012 5:03:24 GMT -5
At the same time as the Scots want political independence from England, I hope the friends and workers there don't want to go their own sweet way with all this. The origins of 2x2 in Faith Mission etc and early workers can be traced back to Scotland, so it would be a sad state of affairs if they also now wish to disintegrate.
Hopefully there is going to be some clear leadership, I don't know what characters are involved in any of this. And talk of wrongdoing on this forum is only hearsay, there may be genuine reasons for changes. It would be unwise to jump to any conclusions
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Post by mod3 on Feb 26, 2012 8:19:56 GMT -5
Hi Karen But you have disabled or deleted your account so how can people contact you? If you sign your account in again then people can PM you on this page. People can post without being registered on this thread, so she probably doesn't have an account yet. Once she registers an account, perhaps she will post again. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 8:27:36 GMT -5
At the same time as the Scots want political independence from England, I hope the friends and workers there don't want to go their own sweet way with all this. The origins of 2x2 in Faith Mission etc and early workers can be traced back to Scotland, so it would be a sad state of affairs if they also now wish to disintegrate. Hopefully there is going to be some clear leadership, I don't know what characters are involved in any of this. And talk of wrongdoing on this forum is only hearsay, there may be genuine reasons for changes. It would be unwise to jump to any conclusions I think you are jumping to conclusions when you say the Scots want Independence from England! There has been no referendum yet and in my view the situation in Scotland is the same as it always was historically speaking. It was never a "united" independent nation. You're right about correct leadership though. Maybe this is one reason for some of the changes? |
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Post by onlooker on Feb 26, 2012 10:53:38 GMT -5
OK, I'll rephrase it
"There are Scots who are pushing for independence from Westminster's political control"
I heard that the leader of the SNP Salmond wants to put a referendum to the people to this effect, and if it were to be run there would be no more Red White and Blue to the UK and no more union flags. It is possible there would be a big sway to such a referendum as hatred for the English, and a proud desire to stand alone is deeply engrained in their culture. It goes back to battles of 700 years ago and before.
Whilst all that goes on, I am told Scottish workers and English workers sometimes change the occasional man or woman for a temporary period, and send small delegations for each others' special meetings and conventions but that is about the extent of any integration nowadays. Also for the workers' purposes the national boundary for Scotland includes some areas of Northern England such as Cumbria (which is listed as a Scottish convention) and Newcastle, Tyneside.
And yes there remains a call for clear leadership whether it's a big or small team of workers and many or few friends.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 12:46:20 GMT -5
Onlooker, please remember there is something very fishy about the SNP. That's why many people don't buy into independence. The leader is a Salmond and the Deputy Leader is a Sturgeon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 17:03:20 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone has had any letter sent to them yet. Perhaps some information was distributed via some elders at today's meetings? I have been hoping that this is the case.
If not, I would like to appeal to the workers. Please don't neglect the needs of your flock. We do understand the hurt you feel when someone is removed from your worker ranks. ... but please please don't forget the needs of the sheep you are commissioned to look after. They are the ones with little children and grandchildren who may be victims in this. Please don't ignore their needs at this time.
Without information from you about the abuse, members of the fellowship remain isolated, confused and unsupported as they look to do what is best for their families. PLEASE don't leave them unshepherded in this way at this time.
PLEASE give us quickly the support and information we need ...........PLEASE......................PLEASE
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Post by Abuse on Feb 26, 2012 17:31:02 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone has had any letter sent to them yet. Perhaps some information was distributed via some elders at today's meetings? I have been hoping that this is the case. If not, I would like to apIpeal to the workers. Please don't neglect the needs of your flock. We do understand the hurt you feel when someone is removed from your worker ranks. ... but please please don't forget the needs of the sheep you are commissioned to look after. They are the ones with little children and grandchildren who may be victims in this. Please don't ignore their needs at this time. Without information from you about the abuse, members of the fellowship remain isolated, confused and unsupported as they look to do what is best for their families. PLEASE don't leave them unshepherded in this way at this time. PLEASE give us quickly the support and information we need ...........PLEASE......................PLEASE Daphne,what abuse?do you know some details?if you do,share them- if not,don't spread rumors! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 18:24:28 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone has had any letter sent to them yet. Perhaps some information was distributed via some elders at today's meetings? I have been hoping that this is the case. If not, I would like to apIpeal to the workers. Please don't neglect the needs of your flock. We do understand the hurt you feel when someone is removed from your worker ranks. ... but please please don't forget the needs of the sheep you are commissioned to look after. They are the ones with little children and grandchildren who may be victims in this. Please don't ignore their needs at this time. Without information from you about the abuse, members of the fellowship remain isolated, confused and unsupported as they look to do what is best for their families. PLEASE don't leave them unshepherded in this way at this time. PLEASE give us quickly the support and information we need ...........PLEASE......................PLEASE Daphne,what abuse?do you know some details?if you do,share them- if not,don't spread rumors! Yes, I can confirm that abuse has occurred. I have been able to find a worker who was able to confirm this when it was put directly to them. I suggest you do the same so that you can hear something directly first hand rather than leave you with doubt because it comes from an unknown soul called ‘daphne’. By the way if you get the reply that the worker left for health reasons, then I suggest you ask them whether there were any other reasons why they had to leave as well. As you can imagine some workers are very uncomfortable with discussing this matter. This tendency for some (not all) to cover up what has happened is why a statement needs to be made quickly by the senior workers so that all of us are in the same starting position and people can then take steps to satisfy themselves they have done what they need to do to protect their own families - and any problems for their family members identified and any needed help obtained. Do you agree that if csa has happened it needs to be advised to the fellowship as soon as possible? I assume you will agree, so I urge you that when you ask a suitable worker and find out that this has happened, that you then ask how and when people in the fellowship are going to be advised of this. It is true that it is early days for the new worker eldership but it surely must be at the top of their priority list to help their flock with this. PLEASE … PLEASE …. Give all the friends in the fellowship the information they need as soon as possible. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 26, 2012 21:02:34 GMT -5
I feel most of these posts would be appropriate on the Ireland/UK and European site. Are the people of Ireland and the UK up to date No we're not If there is nothing to this would Admin tell us there is nothing Scott seems to have heard something and so has Clearday All we want is clarity Thanks for your request, budgie. The information I have is that the Scottish overseer, Bob Kerr, has stepped down because of heart problems. He has been replaced by the Irish worker, Alan Beggs. Additional information I have second hand is that another Scottish worker has been removed for reasons of child sexual abuse. This other worker is alleged to have confessed. The abuse in regard to one victim is alleged to have occurred a long time ago, and our hearts go out to the victim knowing the struggles she has endured for so long. She will be needing all the support of Scottish friends and the worldwide community. Our prayer is for healing for this courageous lady. The scriptural model for the church in dealing with such a perpetrator of sexual immorality - in this case criminal - is in 1 Corinthians 5. |
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Post by onlooker on Feb 27, 2012 4:01:40 GMT -5
The appointment of Alan Beggs seems to be getting more widely known around Ireland and the mainland, but nobody in my loop seems to know anything about another having left yet. I thought A.B. was installed to the West Indies having taken up the torch from Harold McKnight, so this sounds like a very big strategy change
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Post by UK on Feb 27, 2012 4:13:59 GMT -5
who is the overseer of England, is it Ben Crompton?
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Post by onlooker on Feb 27, 2012 6:31:51 GMT -5
I've heard the name of the Worker Involved who is not known to me apart from a name that's been on lists for many years.
But the only elaboration doing the rounds amongst F&W is "He is unable to continue in the work"
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Post by phred felps says on Feb 27, 2012 8:48:39 GMT -5
 message for Scotland  You're enraging God  And seeing nobody else is telling the truth this is it According to the most hated family in America www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKiDHrp9p3E
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message for Scotland 
