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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2023 16:00:50 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it.
Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined.
Thoughts?
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Post by getreal on Jun 21, 2023 17:10:49 GMT -5
I am wondering the same thing Snow. I think the press is careful and also this is a difficult group for outsiders to contact to get their side of the story. But it happened in Australia and I assume it will happen here eventually. It would take a very dedicated reporter to pursue such a big story, spread so far and wide. But exposure is what these men fear the most. It will take public exposure to bring about real change. Short of that I am afraid they will largely skate through this and carry on.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 21, 2023 17:57:58 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it. Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined. Thoughts? As you know snow I was unable to get anything done this week . Got sidelined , did text with Cynthia about this Monday . It was attempted in the USA 🇺🇸 for a class action lawsuit . However it wasn’t possible . But Canadian law is very different . So the option is available . Hopefully I will make my meetings next week . They were rescheduled and detectives are still plodding away . Lady I am in so much …..n . Popsicle time ! 😢🙃
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Post by christiansburg on Jun 21, 2023 19:06:04 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it. Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined. Thoughts? As you know snow I was unable to get anything done this week . Got sidelined , did text with Cynthia about this Monday . It was attempted in the USA 🇺🇸 for a class action lawsuit . However it wasn’t possible . But Canadian law is very different . So the option is available . Hopefully I will make my meetings next week . They were rescheduled and detectives are still plodding away . Lady I am in so much …..n . Popsicle time ! 😢🙃 Do you have any details about the class action in the USA? Why was it not possible?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 21:22:28 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it. Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined. Thoughts? Not sure of other time lines, but I am sure at least 1 org is waiting for more info.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 22, 2023 3:39:59 GMT -5
As you know snow I was unable to get anything done this week . Got sidelined , did text with Cynthia about this Monday . It was attempted in the USA 🇺🇸 for a class action lawsuit . However it wasn’t possible . But Canadian law is very different . So the option is available . Hopefully I will make my meetings next week . They were rescheduled and detectives are still plodding away . Lady I am in so much …..n . Popsicle time ! 😢🙃 Do you have any details about the class action in the USA? Why was it not possible? The is the reply from Cynthia , Lauren & Sheri …………. Hi Trish, We spent all of last year trying to find a civil lawyer who would take Sheri and Lauren's case and the top child sex abuse said no. We turned every stone over. Thank you for saying so. Means so much. Well that sucks .
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Post by snow on Jun 22, 2023 12:11:17 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it. Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined. Thoughts? As you know snow I was unable to get anything done this week . Got sidelined , did text with Cynthia about this Monday . It was attempted in the USA 🇺🇸 for a class action lawsuit . However it wasn’t possible . But Canadian law is very different . So the option is available . Hopefully I will make my meetings next week . They were rescheduled and detectives are still plodding away . Lady I am in so much …..n . Popsicle time ! 😢🙃 Yes I know that it's been delayed here and for very good reasons. I was more referring to other places because I know you are already working on it. I wish it would come out in Eastern Canada and the states. Class action may not be possible in the US but surely going to the media is a possibility?
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Post by snow on Jun 22, 2023 12:37:49 GMT -5
Do you have any details about the class action in the USA? Why was it not possible? The is the reply from Cynthia , Lauren & Sheri …………. Hi Trish, We spent all of last year trying to find a civil lawyer who would take Sheri and Lauren's case and the top child sex abuse said no. We turned every stone over. Thank you for saying so. Means so much. Well that sucks . That's crazy, but it makes sense I suppose in a country where there is a statute of limitations on CSA/rape. Thankfully Canada doesn't have those restrictions.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 22, 2023 12:53:03 GMT -5
As you know snow I was unable to get anything done this week . Got sidelined , did text with Cynthia about this Monday . It was attempted in the USA 🇺🇸 for a class action lawsuit . However it wasn’t possible . But Canadian law is very different . So the option is available . Hopefully I will make my meetings next week . They were rescheduled and detectives are still plodding away . Lady I am in so much …..n . Popsicle time ! 😢🙃 Yes I know that it's been delayed here and for very good reasons. I was more referring to other places because I know you are already working on it. I wish it would come out in Eastern Canada and the states. Class action may not be possible in the US but surely going to the media is a possibility? Absolutely we did contact a law firm last year , they are willing to have a go at it .
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Post by janj on Jun 22, 2023 22:18:52 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it. Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined. Thoughts? Just a question.When children were being abused by workers, why were the parents not going to the law and making this public. I am not excusing the CSA behavior at all, it is disgusting, but the parents must bear some of the blame. "We will tell the workers and they have to do something but we are not prepared to stick our necks out" It was THEIR kids that were effected. Why expect the workers to do what they wouldn't do. I know it wasn't always that simple but in some cases the parents were more responsible for carpet sweeping than the workers!!
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Post by Dan on Jun 22, 2023 22:29:37 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it. Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined. Thoughts? Just a question.When children were being abused by workers, why were the parents not going to the law and making this public. I am not excusing the CSA behavior at all, it is disgusting, but the parents must bear some of the blame. "We will tell the workers and they have to do something but we are not prepared to stick our necks out" I was THEIR kids that were effected. Why expect the workers to do what they wouldn't do. I know it wasn't always that simple but in some cases the parents were more responsible for carpet sweeping than the workers!!
Good point, I've often wondered about the same thing. Where were the parents of all these molested kids?
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 22, 2023 22:37:23 GMT -5
Often what happens in a closed society like the church, especially one espousing a doctrine of exclusivity, is a) the victim does not want to tell their parents, in order to not get the perpetrator in trouble, b) the perpetrator may have sold the crime as being "our little secret", or worse, the threat of violence, death or suicide c) the parent(s) does not believe the victim, d) one parent may be subject to abuse already, so does nothing, e) the parent(s) does not want to upset the relative peace that comes from perpetrator's company etc etc
Of course, in the case of c d and e there should be culpability, in my opinion.
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Post by getreal on Jun 22, 2023 22:42:27 GMT -5
Just a question.When children were being abused by workers, why were the parents not going to the law and making this public. I am not excusing the CSA behavior at all, it is disgusting, but the parents must bear some of the blame. "We will tell the workers and they have to do something but we are not prepared to stick our necks out" I was THEIR kids that were effected. Why expect the workers to do what they wouldn't do. I know it wasn't always that simple but in some cases the parents were more responsible for carpet sweeping than the workers!!
Good point, I've often wondered about the same thing. Where were the parents of all these molested kids? Well this is where the cult aspect of this comes in. They were/are brainwashed and afraid. When your salvation depends on keeping in good favor and you are told to fit in over and over and over and your parents did and your grandparents did and to be outside is to perish alone…this silence only makes sense in the context of a kool aide drinking cult following.
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Post by janj on Jun 22, 2023 23:29:01 GMT -5
Good point, I've often wondered about the same thing. Where were the parents of all these molested kids? Well this is where the cult aspect of this comes in. They were/are brainwashed and afraid. When your salvation depends on keeping in good favor and you are told to fit in over and over and over and your parents did and your grandparents did and to be outside is to perish alone…this silence only makes sense in the context of a kool aide drinking cult following. Ok if that is the case (not that I agree with that excuse) then the workers have been brainwashed and afraid too- remember they belong to the same church! Number 1 person responsibile for a child is their parents. No one should want a child protected more than their parents. For the workers to know about a C S abuser in their ranks, generally someone had to tell them, usually the parents. No excuse!Many will be feeling guilty that they didn't do something at the time (for whatever reason)and now - relief- we can put all the blame on the workers that didn't report on our report!!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 23, 2023 0:23:16 GMT -5
Well this is where the cult aspect of this comes in. They were/are brainwashed and afraid. When your salvation depends on keeping in good favor and you are told to fit in over and over and over and your parents did and your grandparents did and to be outside is to perish alone…this silence only makes sense in the context of a kool aide drinking cult following. Ok if that is the case (not that I agree with that excuse) then the workers have been brainwashed and afraid too- remember they belong to the same church! Number 1 person responsibile for a child is their parents. No one should want a child protected more than their parents. For the workers to know about a C S abuser in their ranks, generally someone had to tell them, usually the parents. No excuse!Many will be feeling guilty that they didn't do something at the time (for whatever reason)and now - relief- we can put all the blame on the workers that didn't report on our report!!! It's been a longstanding belief among the friends (and workers too for sure) that the friends do NOT report each other to the law. I had one man explain to me that he should not report his brother for cheating his mother out of her home, because they were all professing. I know a worker who told the mother of a 14 year old boy that she should not report the person who ha sexually molested the boy, because the BOY would end up with a record. (I have reason to believe that it was a worker who molested the kid, but the mother wouldn't name him). This is chaos. But on the other hand, I know an overseer who went to the police to see if they had charged one of the friends with something, and because they said yes, they went to the man and told him not to take part in meetings any more. Whatever.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 23, 2023 4:01:57 GMT -5
Just a question.When children were being abused by workers, why were the parents not going to the law and making this public. I am not excusing the CSA behavior at all, it is disgusting, but the parents must bear some of the blame. "We will tell the workers and they have to do something but we are not prepared to stick our necks out" It was THEIR kids that were effected. Why expect the workers to do what they wouldn't do. I know it wasn't always that simple but in some cases the parents were more responsible for carpet sweeping than the workers!! BECAUSE WE WERE TAUGHT WE WOULD GO TO HELL . BECAUSE I DID NOT TELL MY PARENTS TILL 13 mBECAUSE WE WERE TOLD TO KEEP QUIET 🤐, BECAUSE AT AGE 2 I HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS HAPPENING , WHEN I DID REPORT I WAS EXCOMMUNICATED ! I STARTED WEARING CLOTHES 2 TIMES MY SIZE SO NO ONE COULD SEE MY SHAPE . A GREAT BODY DUE TO MY PARTICIPATION OF ALL SPORTS INCLUDING FOOTBALL . I STOPPED GOING TO YOUNG KIDS EVENTS ! SOME 30 YEARS LATER WORKERS APOLOGY IS OFFER AND TOLD THEY DID WRONG TO ME AND I COULD COME BACK Just a few reasons…………………….…..
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Post by Annan on Jun 23, 2023 9:09:08 GMT -5
Good point, I've often wondered about the same thing. Where were the parents of all these molested kids? Well this is where the cult aspect of this comes in. They were/are brainwashed and afraid. When your salvation depends on keeping in good favor and you are told to fit in over and over and over and your parents did and your grandparents did and to be outside is to perish alone…this silence only makes sense in the context of a kool aide drinking cult following. I've mentioned this before. Worker worship is prevalent in the cult. Workers can do no wrong. If I had been sexually assaulted by a worker, it would have been my fault for doing something to entice them. I once told my dad about CSA reports on this forum. He said you all are liars. Sadly that is the mindset. Can't blame a servant of god!
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Post by getreal on Jun 23, 2023 11:00:44 GMT -5
Well this is where the cult aspect of this comes in. They were/are brainwashed and afraid. When your salvation depends on keeping in good favor and you are told to fit in over and over and over and your parents did and your grandparents did and to be outside is to perish alone…this silence only makes sense in the context of a kool aide drinking cult following. Ok if that is the case (not that I agree with that excuse) then the workers have been brainwashed and afraid too- remember they belong to the same church! Number 1 person responsibile for a child is their parents. No one should want a child protected more than their parents. For the workers to know about a C S abuser in their ranks, generally someone had to tell them, usually the parents. No excuse!Many will be feeling guilty that they didn't do something at the time (for whatever reason)and now - relief- we can put all the blame on the workers that didn't report on our report!!! [br Of course all workers are brainwashed. I was a worker and I was brainwashed. Unable to think. Completely silenced. Lost all sense of my own identity or importance as an individual having any agency. You think it is all a part of serving god, the greater good. You lose all perspective of right and wrong in terms of how anyone outside in the world sees it. You can’t trust the ‘world’ or any so called experts in the world. That is why overseers have been so slow to consult and listen to experts re csa and sa. The workers aren’t the enemy per se. They were children of converts or converts from the outside. All are victims in that sense. Are you an ex?
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Post by verna on Jun 23, 2023 11:16:15 GMT -5
Well this is where the cult aspect of this comes in. They were/are brainwashed and afraid. When your salvation depends on keeping in good favor and you are told to fit in over and over and over and your parents did and your grandparents did and to be outside is to perish alone…this silence only makes sense in the context of a kool aide drinking cult following. Ok if that is the case (not that I agree with that excuse) then the workers have been brainwashed and afraid too- remember they belong to the same church! Number 1 person responsibile for a child is their parents. No one should want a child protected more than their parents. For the workers to know about a C S abuser in their ranks, generally someone had to tell them, usually the parents. No excuse!Many will be feeling guilty that they didn't do something at the time (for whatever reason)and now - relief- we can put all the blame on the workers that didn't report on our report!!! I’m not sure you are helping yourself with your arguement. I agree that everyone, including the workers, has been brainwashed. However the workers wield the most power and so are most culpable. Personally I think the whole system is rotten and likely not redeemable but some are anxious to fight for it. I wish them well.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 23, 2023 11:22:27 GMT -5
Yes there sure are further aspects of concern. 'No man's an island entire of itself'. It has a complexity of its own. We feel for / respectfully consider the suffering of CSA victims but I 'also' find myself thinking often of the many family members of perpetrators who...don't ask to have a family member who commits CSA; who have not had any control over that being thrown into their lives. And now having to cope with their names repetitively on social media, in letters going round the country, in their church members conversations and.. now the prospect of some wanting to take it to the media in their country. Not only workers families but think of the children that perpetrators may have, grandchildren, spouses. How are they coping? What a harrowing experience for them also. What suffering/stress they must be experiencing. Consider for example, how Dean Bruers elderly parents, his siblings, must be feeling in this point in time. I hope they too are receiving love and care. I'm wondering what does going to the media achieve? Is it a tool of revenge?, is it a tool to try and destroy a fellowship that has many good people? Or is it a practical & realistic tool to achieve zero tolerance and bring about change? ? Is it really needed, as an addition to the necessary & committed work the professionals are assigned to do at present. Or is it in effect, creating a scenario to bring further suffering/ distress into innocent family and church members lives in USA and Canada who are struggling. These are my thoughts. Media is a necessary source . Calgary Police are getting calls saying………. I know that this person is doing this , . You name someone to the worker’s (some) will do whatever it takes to silence the sheep . A class action lawsuit needs only 1 victim to file . It is then published on news and in newspapers allowing victims to speak without giving their name . I am assuming it will be my name and I am ok with that . Then others can join . Also it makes the public aware of what this Truth church will stoop to , to save their position’s and status . If you look at Deans case it was not all professing people . He was hiring escorts and viewing porn . He didn’t care where he got his sexual pleasure from . In addition while filling his lust , there is also the worry of a STD . Including Hep-C , HIV and other sexual transmitted diseases . It could cost someone their health or life . I personally KNOW THAT ! I have not had a partner in over 20 years , unfortunately 1 of my rapes left me with a STD which is not going away . It is attended to every freaking month . I am not going to spell out anymore . But being vaccinated every month to start is hard enough and more treatment follows . I presently still have to go through that and blood work every year . Yes this is not a conversation many want , however it is necessary along with mental health being checked often . IT IS HORRIFYING TO THINK , THAT I COULD STILL HAVE SOMETHING ELSE COME UP YEARS AFTER THE SEXUAL ASSAULT/RAPE . Sorry this is a grown up situation . Rough talk but this is straight up what can happen !
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Post by getreal on Jun 23, 2023 11:26:35 GMT -5
Agree, even though workers are also victims, once you take on that position of power over others you are now culpable. There are things you become more aware of and that knowledge and position makes you more responsible to act. But having been in and left the work I also know how long it takes to get your mind back. In many respects you cannot see or understand what has happened to you until after you leave and get over all the mental and emotional upheaval and trauma of that profoundly difficult act of leaving. It is a cult in that respect as well…how hard it is to leave. I look back at what I accepted as well, something I just had to accept, and I wonder why didn’t I not speak up, scream, but I felt so had no ability to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 12:37:03 GMT -5
Yes there sure are further aspects of concern. 'No man's an island entire of itself'. It has a complexity of its own. We feel for / respectfully consider the suffering of CSA victims but I 'also' find myself thinking often of the many family members of perpetrators who...don't ask to have a family member who commits CSA; who have not had any control over that being thrown into their lives. And now having to cope with their names repetitively on social media, in letters going round the country, in their church members conversations and.. now the prospect of some wanting to take it to the media in their country. Not only workers families but think of the children that perpetrators may have, grandchildren, spouses. How are they coping? What a harrowing experience for them also. What suffering/stress they must be experiencing. Consider for example, how Dean Bruers elderly parents, his siblings, must be feeling in this point in time. I hope they too are receiving love and care. I'm wondering what does going to the media achieve? Is it a tool of revenge?, is it a tool to try and destroy a fellowship that has many good people? Or is it a practical & realistic tool to achieve zero tolerance and bring about change? ? Is it really needed, as an addition to the necessary & committed work the professionals are assigned to do at present. Or is it in effect, creating a scenario to bring further suffering/ distress into innocent family and church members lives in USA and Canada who are struggling. These are my thoughts. Media is a necessary source . Calgary Police are getting calls saying………. I know that this person is doing this , . You name someone to the worker’s (some) will do whatever it takes to silence the sheep . A class action lawsuit needs only 1 victim to file . It is then published on news and in newspapers allowing victims to speak without giving their name . I am assuming it will be my name and I am ok with that . Then others can join . Also it makes the public aware of what this Truth church will stoop to , to save their position’s and status . If you look at Deans case it was not all professing people . He was hiring escorts and viewing porn . He didn’t care where he got his sexual pleasure from . In addition while filling his lust , there is also the worry of a STD . Including Hep-C , HIV and other sexual transmitted diseases . It could cost someone their health or life . I personally KNOW THAT ! I have not had a partner in over 20 years , unfortunately 1 of my rapes left me with a STD which is not going away . It is attended to every freaking month . I am not going to spell out anymore . But being vaccinated every month to start is hard enough and more treatment follows . I presently still have to go through that and blood work every year . Yes this is not a conversation many want , however it is necessary along with mental health being checked often . IT IS HORRIFYING TO THINK , THAT I COULD STILL HAVE SOMETHING ELSE COME UP YEARS AFTER THE SEXUAL ASSAULT/RAPE . Sorry this is a grown up situation . Rough talk but this is straight up what can happen ! Hmmm, I actually never thought about that, an STD. What a gift to leave you and others...JHC
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 23, 2023 12:54:25 GMT -5
Media is a necessary source . Calgary Police are getting calls saying………. I know that this person is doing this , . You name someone to the worker’s (some) will do whatever it takes to silence the sheep . A class action lawsuit needs only 1 victim to file . It is then published on news and in newspapers allowing victims to speak without giving their name . I am assuming it will be my name and I am ok with that . Then others can join . Also it makes the public aware of what this Truth church will stoop to , to save their position’s and status . If you look at Deans case it was not all professing people . He was hiring escorts and viewing porn . He didn’t care where he got his sexual pleasure from . In addition while filling his lust , there is also the worry of a STD . Including Hep-C , HIV and other sexual transmitted diseases . It could cost someone their health or life . I personally KNOW THAT ! I have not had a partner in over 20 years , unfortunately 1 of my rapes left me with a STD which is not going away . It is attended to every freaking month . I am not going to spell out anymore . But being vaccinated every month to start is hard enough and more treatment follows . I presently still have to go through that and blood work every year . Yes this is not a conversation many want , however it is necessary along with mental health being checked often . IT IS HORRIFYING TO THINK , THAT I COULD STILL HAVE SOMETHING ELSE COME UP YEARS AFTER THE SEXUAL ASSAULT/RAPE . Sorry this is a grown up situation . Rough talk but this is straight up what can happen ! Hmmm, I actually never thought about that, an STD. What a gift to leave you and others...JHC Thank you Wally for being able to see what could happen . Plus being able to understand the danger ⚠️
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Post by snow on Jun 23, 2023 15:11:31 GMT -5
It's been months now since the Dean Bruer account was made known to exes and then the friends. We have seen overseers and workers go from writing letters apologizing/justifying to pretty much going silent. Some have stepped down, not allowed in meetings or kicked out of the work. I imagine there are some legal proceedings happening behind the scenes. But it's also apparent that some overseers are trying to do 'business as usual' downplaying the seriousness of it. Is there a reason why the media hasn't been contacted? I know that in my area the media have the information but are waiting to go public with it. I understand that could be the case in other places too? It's a known fact that there are quite a few workers that have been abusing children for years and that overseers have known and just moved them around enabling them. So when is this going to go public? When other churches have been caught doing this kind of thing there was public exposure. Shouldn't that also happen in the case? That way those in power will have less power to cover it up if they are so inclined. Thoughts? Just a question.When children were being abused by workers, why were the parents not going to the law and making this public. I am not excusing the CSA behavior at all, it is disgusting, but the parents must bear some of the blame. "We will tell the workers and they have to do something but we are not prepared to stick our necks out" It was THEIR kids that were effected. Why expect the workers to do what they wouldn't do. I know it wasn't always that simple but in some cases the parents were more responsible for carpet sweeping than the workers!! I agree that the parents should have been reporting it and not listening to the workers when they told them not too. But that is part of the system that has groomed the parents to hold the workers as speaking straight from God. In many ways these parents are victims of the system they grew up in also. I'm not condoning their silence, but I do see how it happened. They are adults that should know right from wrong and when the workers told them not to report they should have done so anyway. I can't fathom how any parent would not, but then I'm not a 2x2 that worships the workers. Also, many of the parents never knew that their children had been abused. It's coming out now, years later. Many when telling their story were told my their abuser not to tell anyone or something would happen to their parents. Children believe that kind of thing. Many children don't even know what has happened to them so don't tell until they are older and realize what happened to them was wrong. It just felt wrong but they didn't have the vocabulary to explain why it felt wrong. Kids also don't think they will be believed over a trusted adult. We knew quite young that our parents believed the workers and it was our word against theirs. Do you know that some of the survivors today, that are now adults, are telling their stories since the discovery of Dean Bruer's crimes, and their families are shaming them, guilting them, and then shunning them. And, the workers are telling these parents to do this. This is still happening even with all that is being uncovered. I will quote below what Lauryn Roh has posted on Advocates for truth about what is happening to some that are now telling their story. In the past twelve hours, two survivors have been harassed, interrogated, belittled, ostracized, gaslit, and ex-communicated by their families for speaking to their families and going public with their abuse allegations and horrific experiences. In addition, Overseers and Workers have called family members and encouraged them to harass their survivor family members to retract their allegations. I BEG of each of you to believe each survivors experience and to fight for them. Do not tone police, condemn, interrogate, belittle, or do anything other than believe and support each survivor. If you hear of this happening, advocate for the survivors. Call your Overseers, Workers, and do not allow these actions to happen. As this progresses, the magnitude and intertwined abuse of this all is coming to light. Be part of the healing for survivors and uphold each other to the same. 🤍
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Post by fixit on Jun 23, 2023 15:22:20 GMT -5
My child whom passed was a CSA no more than a half hour after she professed at Didsbury convention . She was 9 years old . She was attending with her grandparents . Two months later he father committed suicide . No wonder she became a drug addict because of the CSA & her dad . These workers have no idea . You can attend a zoom session to learn . Yep sure I am telling the reality of what can happen . Having professional’s selected by worker’s to help victims is a TOTAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST SOME WORKERS AND FRIENDS GOTTA GO . Bottom line , full stop 🛑 Can you tell us any more about the rape at Didsbury convention? Measures should have been put in place so that it could never happen again. Was the perpetrator a worker, a relative, someone trusted by your daughter? Are the RCMP dealing with it?
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Post by snow on Jun 23, 2023 15:33:54 GMT -5
Well this is where the cult aspect of this comes in. They were/are brainwashed and afraid. When your salvation depends on keeping in good favor and you are told to fit in over and over and over and your parents did and your grandparents did and to be outside is to perish alone…this silence only makes sense in the context of a kool aide drinking cult following. Ok if that is the case (not that I agree with that excuse) then the workers have been brainwashed and afraid too- remember they belong to the same church! Number 1 person responsibile for a child is their parents. No one should want a child protected more than their parents. For the workers to know about a C S abuser in their ranks, generally someone had to tell them, usually the parents. No excuse!Many will be feeling guilty that they didn't do something at the time (for whatever reason)and now - relief- we can put all the blame on the workers that didn't report on our report!!! That's not the whole story. These overseers knew and didn't kick the worker out, didn't report them, and literally moved them to a new area and didn't tell the friends that they were putting someone into their area that been accused of sexually abusing a child in another area. You have done this across many posts on here. Trying to take the blame off the workers. Why are you doing that. They literally knowingly moved these guys around and never did anything or were transparent with the friends in the areas they were moved to. They obviously knew it was wrong or they wouldn't have remained silent and moved them away.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jun 23, 2023 15:59:48 GMT -5
My child whom passed was a CSA no more than a half hour after she professed at Didsbury convention . She was 9 years old . She was attending with her grandparents . Two months later he father committed suicide . No wonder she became a drug addict because of the CSA & her dad . These workers have no idea . You can attend a zoom session to learn . Yep sure I am telling the reality of what can happen . Having professional’s selected by worker’s to help victims is a TOTAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST SOME WORKERS AND FRIENDS GOTTA GO . Bottom line , full stop 🛑 Can you tell us any more about the rape at Didsbury convention? Measures should have been put in place so that it could never happen again. Was the perpetrator a worker, a relative, someone trusted by your daughter? Are the RCMP dealing with it? I pm u !
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 23, 2023 16:42:29 GMT -5
I thoroughly recommend people watch the Netflix "Spotlight" which is where the Spotlight investigative group within the Boston Globe investigate, uncover and report hundreds of CSA cases within the Catholic Church, and the system designed to move perpetrators around, payoff victims, and protect the church. While it's a long watch, it is very close to home, so as to speak.
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