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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 9, 2020 15:09:12 GMT -5
Please tell me what is happening right now that makes you think that those two verses "couldn't be more true than they are now.." In some detail please.
Mat_12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. not only is it a prediction of things to come its also a prediction that people like curlytroll will exist in the future from the time of the quote.... If that were true, -then there is NO time line.
I figured that you were trying once again to say that the "end times" were near!
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Post by snow on Jan 9, 2020 15:31:26 GMT -5
There is a reason why really nobody understands the trinity. It doesn't make rational sense that three people are actually one person. I agree the Catholic explanation is confusing. But after I read in the NIV bible that said in Phillipians 2:6 that Jesus was in very nature, God... I got a better understanding of how the Trinity really is. But imo anyone can have the nature of God. That's why Jesus as a man, not a God, is far more inspirational. If Jesus is God then he really didn't suffer on the cross, was never afraid of not going back to heaven etc. He also couldn't give in to temptation. All things regular people can have happen. So for me, I would rather think of Jesus as a man that achieved a state where he couldn't be tempted, knew beyond all doubt that he was saved and actually suffered when persecuted. A God would not be capable of any of those things.
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Post by nathan on Jan 9, 2020 15:52:40 GMT -5
You MUST trust in Jesus words, teachings... HE is your Creator and Your ONLY Hope of Salvation. You either bow now and receive Eternal life or Bow later by force and face the Second death yourself.
Philippians 2:5-12 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. WHY? Why must I trust what a man said 2000 years ago? There is no reason to believe him anymore than there is reason to believe Krishna, Allah, Thor, and all the other gods that have been imagined by mankind. None Nathan. *** Jesus was NOT only a man, he was and is GOD the Christ man Jesus in One body. Jesus/God said, I am the Way (to live), the Truth and eternal Life. Jesus is speaking the truth don't put your hope, faith and Salvation in any human being to SAVE you. ONLY Christ Jesus can SAVE us and no else on earth or any angel in heaven.
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Post by snow on Jan 9, 2020 15:54:39 GMT -5
WHY? Why must I trust what a man said 2000 years ago? There is no reason to believe him anymore than there is reason to believe Krishna, Allah, Thor, and all the other gods that have been imagined by mankind. None Nathan. *** Jesus was NOT only a man, he was and is GOD the Christ man Jesus in One body. Jesus/God said, I am the Way (to live), the Truth and eternal Life. Jesus is speaking the truth don't put your hope, faith and Salvation in any human being to SAVE you. ONLY Christ Jesus can SAVE us and no else on earth or any angel in heaven. Until someone can prove to me that Jesus was not only a man who held a certain number of Jewish beliefs I do not believe he has any relevance in this world.
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Post by nathan on Jan 9, 2020 16:25:41 GMT -5
I agree the Catholic explanation is confusing. But after I read in the NIV bible that said in Phillipians 2:6 that Jesus was in very nature, God... I got a better understanding of how the Trinity really is. But imo anyone can have the nature of God. That's why Jesus as a man, not a God, is far more inspirational. If Jesus is God then he really didn't suffer on the cross, was never afraid of not going back to heaven etc. He also couldn't give in to temptation. All things regular people can have happen. So for me, I would rather think of Jesus as a man that achieved a state where he couldn't be tempted, knew beyond all doubt that he was saved and actually suffered when persecuted. A God would not be capable of any of those things. *** Jesus the man died on the Cross to Redeem the fallen humans sinners. Christ God came down from heaven/Venus to live in a human body of a man Jesus to pay for our humans ransom/sins. Christ's Spirit/God in Jesus did NOT die but the man Jesus died. God/Spirit in Jesus is ETERNAL so it can't die. Just like our souls are eternal and they can't die either. Our humans bodies die but NOT our souls continue to live on AFTER death.
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Post by Annan on Jan 9, 2020 18:14:13 GMT -5
You say Jesus Christ/God Savior my myth but HE is the ONLY God/Man on earth and in Heaven CAN save your soul from BURNING in the Lake of Fire/die the Second death for Eternity.
NOPE. WRONG AGAIN NATHAN...... NO CHRIST, NO HEAVEN. NO ETERNITY. NO HELL. Your beliefs are based on the vain imaginations of a people who want to live forever. When you die you are dead. And going to rot away just like I will. Ego. It's all about ego.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 19:11:38 GMT -5
Actually she didn't know what she had missed. Sometimes deaf people have selective hearing, you know. Is that your problem?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 19:16:47 GMT -5
Actually she didn't know what she had missed. Probably just as well, she'd have peace that way. Ignorance is bliss.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 9, 2020 19:33:27 GMT -5
Sometimes deaf people have selective hearing, you know. Is that your problem? I’m just not deaf, yet. 😉
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 19:35:20 GMT -5
I’m just not deaf, yet. 😉 I know you're not deaf. For purposes of this forum deafness doesn't count. Acuteness of reading skills is what counts.
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Post by matisse on Jan 9, 2020 19:40:43 GMT -5
STR, -both you & and I are nurses. We both know how our brain works and how it affects all of our senses. We are learning more each day how it affects what we believe.
I have told of my own experience where the CT scan indicated my "brain" wasn't functioning correctly and that was the cause of "hallucinations" that I was having.
Without that scan, -which was not available years ago, -and I had been as religious as I was once, -I might well have believed that I was being told something by GOD!
The "bouquets of flowers" in the ambulance and the "pen without a hand writing back & forth on a tablet!" WOW! What more could you want?
But STR, - if you are content to believe what you do, -so be it. Peace be on you.
I’ve had drug caused hallucinations but when I saw Jesus no such case was hallucinations. I know you’ve all tried your best to convince the world I was delusional and/or hallucinating, but it doesn’t fit. I had a waking hallucination during a breathwork session that was part o a retreat. The trigger was a change in my breathing pattern. It was pretty amazing to me that my brain produced this elaborate, interactive "waking dream" with no help from drugs. I did not see Jesus, but I did "interact" with ghostly apparitions (hallucinations) of William Irvine, a great aunt who was an early worker, and a third figure I could not identify. The experience helped me let go of some anger I had been holding about my 2x2 upbringing. No drugs! Just me, my brain, and the air I was breathing.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 9, 2020 19:59:31 GMT -5
I’m just not deaf, yet. 😉 I know you're not deaf. For purposes of this forum deafness doesn't count. Acuteness of reading skills is what counts. Oh I have that!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 9, 2020 20:00:42 GMT -5
I’ve had drug caused hallucinations but when I saw Jesus no such case was hallucinations. I know you’ve all tried your best to convince the world I was delusional and/or hallucinating, but it doesn’t fit. I had a waking hallucination during a breathwork session that was part o a retreat. The trigger was a change in my breathing pattern. It was pretty amazing to me that my brain produced this elaborate, interactive "waking dream" with no help from drugs. I did not see Jesus, but I did "interact" with ghostly apparitions (hallucinations) of William Irvine, a great aunt who was an early worker, and a third figure I could not identify. The experience helped me let go of some anger I had been holding about my 2x2 upbringing. No drugs! Just me, my brain, and the air I was breathing. Might be a therapy for psychological hang ups. 😉
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 20:00:43 GMT -5
I’ve had drug caused hallucinations but when I saw Jesus no such case was hallucinations. I know you’ve all tried your best to convince the world I was delusional and/or hallucinating, but it doesn’t fit. I had a waking hallucination during a breathwork session that was part o a retreat. The trigger was a change in my breathing pattern. It was pretty amazing to me that my brain produced this elaborate, interactive "waking dream" with no help from drugs. I did not see Jesus, but I did "interact" with ghostly apparitions (hallucinations) of William Irvine, a great aunt who was an early worker, and a third figure I could not identify. The experience helped me let go of some anger I had been holding about my 2x2 upbringing. No drugs! Just me, my brain, and the air I was breathing. Ironically, when a religious fanatic has such a hallucination it is a revelation, but when someone else has one, it's considered just a hallucination. If I had a penny for every time I woke up and felt so thankful to be back in a sane environment. I do recall once that I woke up and observed that reality was just as insane as the enlightening dream -- hence I am where I am today.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 20:01:09 GMT -5
I know you're not deaf. For purposes of this forum deafness doesn't count. Acuteness of reading skills is what counts. Oh I have that! How do you know?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 9, 2020 20:04:47 GMT -5
I’m just not deaf, yet. 😉 I know you're not deaf. For purposes of this forum deafness doesn't count. Acuteness of reading skills is what counts. Just plain "Listening" skills would have helped a lot as well this last time around.
Repeating the same old post over & over again using the same "words" indicated that someone wasn't really listening.
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Post by nathan on Jan 9, 2020 20:04:48 GMT -5
NOPE. WRONG AGAIN NATHAN...... NO CHRIST, NO HEAVEN. NO ETERNITY. NO HELL. Your beliefs are based on the vain imaginations of a people who want to live forever. When you die you are dead. And going to rot away just like I will. Ego. It's all about ego. ** Time will tell where everyone on here will end up either downward/Hades for the atheists and unbelievers or upward/heaven.
Wait and see when your and mine borrow time is running out. Tick tock, tick tock! Spent your time wisely, curly.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 9, 2020 20:22:07 GMT -5
I’ve had drug caused hallucinations but when I saw Jesus no such case was hallucinations. I know you’ve all tried your best to convince the world I was delusional and/or hallucinating, but it doesn’t fit. I had a waking hallucination during a breathwork session that was part o a retreat. The trigger was a change in my breathing pattern. It was pretty amazing to me that my brain produced this elaborate, interactive "waking dream" with no help from drugs. I did not see Jesus, but I did "interact" with ghostly apparitions (hallucinations) of William Irvine, a great aunt who was an early worker, and a third figure I could not identify. The experience helped me let go of some anger I had been holding about my 2x2 upbringing. No drugs! Just me, my brain, and the air I was breathing. It is amazing, isn't it, -how our brain works!
I was not afraid, -except for knowing that there was something wrong with my brain & insisting the doctor do something about it instead of just sending me back home.
In fact my daughter said here she was worried about what was happening to me while all the time I just seemed to be "enjoying" what I was seeing!
My son told her just let me enjoy it, -it's like I was on a drug "trip!"
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Post by matisse on Jan 9, 2020 20:31:49 GMT -5
I had a waking hallucination during a breathwork session that was part o a retreat. The trigger was a change in my breathing pattern. It was pretty amazing to me that my brain produced this elaborate, interactive "waking dream" with no help from drugs. I did not see Jesus, but I did "interact" with ghostly apparitions (hallucinations) of William Irvine, a great aunt who was an early worker, and a third figure I could not identify. The experience helped me let go of some anger I had been holding about my 2x2 upbringing. No drugs! Just me, my brain, and the air I was breathing. It is amazing, isn't it, -how our brain works!
I was not afraid, -except for knowing that there was something wrong with my brain & insisting the doctor do something about it instead of just sending me back home.
In fact my daughter said here she was worried about what was happening to me while all the time I just seemed to be "enjoying" what I was seeing!
My son told her just let me enjoy it, -it's like I was on a drug "trip!"
It does not surprise me at all that people report visions after recovering from being near death.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 9, 2020 20:43:27 GMT -5
I had a waking hallucination during a breathwork session that was part o a retreat. The trigger was a change in my breathing pattern. It was pretty amazing to me that my brain produced this elaborate, interactive "waking dream" with no help from drugs. I did not see Jesus, but I did "interact" with ghostly apparitions (hallucinations) of William Irvine, a great aunt who was an early worker, and a third figure I could not identify. The experience helped me let go of some anger I had been holding about my 2x2 upbringing. No drugs! Just me, my brain, and the air I was breathing. Might be a therapy for psychological hang ups. 😉 Interesting, -when you have a "vision" of Jesus, it means "god" is communicating with YOU; -but when someone else sees something odd, -YOU see it in a different light altogether: "therapy for psychological hang ups."
I believe just lately here on TMB someone really got quite upset & accused others of saying that HER religious belief was due to mental illness!
Actually they had said nothing of a kind, -but if I remember right she just couldn't let it go.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 9, 2020 20:44:21 GMT -5
It is amazing, isn't it, -how our brain works!
I was not afraid, -except for knowing that there was something wrong with my brain & insisting the doctor do something about it instead of just sending me back home.
In fact my daughter said here she was worried about what was happening to me while all the time I just seemed to be "enjoying" what I was seeing!
My son told her just let me enjoy it, -it's like I was on a drug "trip!"
It does not surprise me at all that people report visions after recovering from being near death. Right you are!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 21:17:37 GMT -5
satan likes and has the power to mess things up.... You still have not explained how come God states we have to do a bunch of thing to be saved and then if we don't we go to hell. That is extortion. It's like someone on the street aiming a gun at my head saying I have to hand over my purse or he will shoot me. I don't have a choice that is done with free will. I have to do it or I die. Same with your God. We have to do what he wants or we're tortured for eternity. But your God is just one of many Gods that are telling me the same thing. Worship them or go to their version of punishment for eternity. You don't give someone free will then make it so that when they choose the wrong thing they get punished. That's not free will, it's extortion. And which hell am I supposed to try and avoid? Don't you see why it's all so ambiguous? That it's just not probable that there are Gods, hells etc? A Muslim believes just as genuinely about Allah and avoiding Muslim hell as you are genuine about believing in Yahweh and the Yahweh hell. But in all likelihood one of you is choosing the wrong god, or in my world, believing in something that does not exist at all. its not extortion you really have nothing that God wants other than your love and obedience....is your spouse extorting you when they don't want you to be unfaithful or they will leave?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 21:32:35 GMT -5
You still have not explained how come God states we have to do a bunch of thing to be saved and then if we don't we go to hell. That is extortion. It's like someone on the street aiming a gun at my head saying I have to hand over my purse or he will shoot me. I don't have a choice that is done with free will. I have to do it or I die. Same with your God. We have to do what he wants or we're tortured for eternity. But your God is just one of many Gods that are telling me the same thing. Worship them or go to their version of punishment for eternity. You don't give someone free will then make it so that when they choose the wrong thing they get punished. That's not free will, it's extortion. And which hell am I supposed to try and avoid? Don't you see why it's all so ambiguous? That it's just not probable that there are Gods, hells etc? A Muslim believes just as genuinely about Allah and avoiding Muslim hell as you are genuine about believing in Yahweh and the Yahweh hell. But in all likelihood one of you is choosing the wrong god, or in my world, believing in something that does not exist at all. its not extortion you really have nothing that God wants other than your love and obedience....is your spouse extorting you when they don't want you to be unfaithful or they will leave? If he treats you like property, yes.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 9, 2020 21:50:34 GMT -5
I know you're not deaf. For purposes of this forum deafness doesn't count. Acuteness of reading skills is what counts. Just plain "Listening" skills would have helped a lot as well this last time around.
Repeating the same old post over & over again using the same "words" indicated that someone wasn't really listening. No, it indicated there was a lack of acute reading skills.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 21:54:04 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as boomerang comprehension?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 9, 2020 21:55:22 GMT -5
Might be a therapy for psychological hang ups. 😉 Interesting, -when you have a "vision" of Jesus, it means "god" is communicating with YOU; -but when someone else sees something odd, -YOU see it in a different light altogether: "therapy for psychological hang ups."
I believe just lately here on TMB someone really got quite upset & accused others of saying that HER religious belief was due to mental illness!
Actually they had said nothing of a kind, -but if I remember right she just couldn't let it go.If you’re talking about me, curly did say we were insane, crazy for believing in God and the Bible. As to what I said about you all keep telling me my vision of Jesus Christ was due to delusions or hallucinations is saying there is a mental illness indication accusation there. So your assertion that it is not true is a lie!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 9, 2020 21:56:15 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as boomerang comprehension? There’s sarcastic things some write I judge it best not to reply to.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 21:57:42 GMT -5
Interesting, -when you have a "vision" of Jesus, it means "god" is communicating with YOU; -but when someone else sees something odd, -YOU see it in a different light altogether: "therapy for psychological hang ups."
I believe just lately here on TMB someone really got quite upset & accused others of saying that HER religious belief was due to mental illness!
Actually they had said nothing of a kind, -but if I remember right she just couldn't let it go. If you’re talking about me, curly did say we were insane, crazy for believing in God and the Bible. As to what I said about you all keep telling me my vision of Jesus Christ was due to delusions or hallucinations is saying there is a mental illness indication accusation there. So your assertion that it is not true is a lie! You don't need to be insane to have a hallucination.
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