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Post by rational on May 6, 2015 14:30:22 GMT -5
I have never had anyone in my home that is known to have engaged in sexual abuse. I would find that outrageous and unacceptable too. Guarding against the ones you do not know about is the problem. Members of my family have known LW since he was born and have difficulty acknowledging his behavior. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Post by mdm on May 6, 2015 14:45:28 GMT -5
Of course it's important for preachers' actions and lives to line up with what they preach. I don't know how you could have thought I was saying it wasn't. They are accountable to God first and foremost. We can't judge them all by the actions of a few who have "made shipwreck" and have themselves become false preachers by not meaning what they say. My point is: shouldn't we judge other churches by the same standard - not by their rotten apples, but by the good that they do? If even the f&w's have rotten apples, are they really that different from other churches and should they be pointing their finger at other churches?
Your statement that preachers should hold themselves responsible to live what they preach concerns me, because it has been used to imply that it doesn't concern the friends whether the workers live what they preach and that they are not accountable to the friends. It has been used as an excuse for allowing rotten apples to remain in the ministry and for not speaking out against wrongs.
Also, I agree that we shouldn't judge all by the rotten apples, but should the rotten apples be judged and removed? And should overseers who are not removing the rotten apples from the church be judged?Regarding the selection of the hymns, there was input from the friends as well as the workers. I was not in any way suggesting that any material we read has to be passed through the workers first. We have to be aware of the possibility that anything we're reading or listening to may not be wholesome, but if we have any spiritual wisdom ourselves we should be able to tell whether what we're listening to is 'safe' or not. It's not about the approval of man, but the approval of God. Brandon pointed out that in singing hymns written by folks from other denominations we have fellowship with them. Do you agree with him? If f&w's share the same sentiments and understanding of what is scriptural with those who wrote and sing the hymns in other denominations, does that mean f&w's have/could have/should have fellowship with them? By that I mean that f&w's shouldn't denounce them as false religion, but accept them as brothers and sisters in Christ.I have never had anyone in my home that is known to have engaged in sexual abuse. I would find that outrageous and unacceptable too. I have. I asked for assurance that it won't be repeated and didn't get it. So I left the meetings. Because I find it outrageous and unacceptable.
What would you do if you found out that you have had someone known to have engaged in sexual abuse in your home?
Does it concern you that others have had such in their homes?
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Post by whyisitso on May 6, 2015 16:41:49 GMT -5
It's important for workers to hold themselves responsible to live what they preach, just as we are responsible to live up to our own words. We'll always be able to see faults in others, that doesn't in any way invalidate those who are keeping true. The hymns in our book have been carefully selected, and the sentiments expressed are in line with the scriptures. This wouldn't be the case for all hymns that have been written for other churches, and the same would apply to their books, sermons and preachers. Some of their words may be good and acceptable, but that doesn't mean they all are. I was given a book written by a minister of another church which contained some interesting and Biblically accurate material but it also contained a lot of contradictions to the scriptures, so I disposed of it in case my kids would assume they could trust it because it was on a shelf in our home. Much like words that come out of SOME workers mouths then? I've read a few of your posts Felicity and I feel like you're not ready to hear the truth about the 'truth'.... Rather than wanting to tell you all about my dealings with some of the workers in my part of the world and wanting you to understand where some people (who've been deeply hurt by workers in the 'truth') are coming from with their mistrust and hurt and sadness etc etc of their experiences, I feel like I want to cover your eyes and ears and shepherd you back to your blissfully unaware (edited) little spot on the earth. Shut down your computer, don't ever start it again. Stay off tmb, as it doesn't seem like you're ready for the truth. I remember being told 'don't read the stuff on the Internet, it's all lies lies lies'. That certainly worked for a long time. But then eventually I realized that if my story was so unbelievable, but true, then why wouldn't others be. It's rather confronting when you start to learn the truth about the 'truth'. (this doesn't mean I think all workers and friends are awful... However I've met quite a few who don't act even close to what they should or speak as they should) I pray that your eyes can be opened in a gentle manner, not as crudely as can happen here on tmb.
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Post by Greg on May 6, 2015 16:49:20 GMT -5
I pray that your eyes can be opened in a gentle manner, not as crudely as can happen here on tmb. Crudely? How so? Perhaps you mean bluntly? I do not know. Would you please elaborate?
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Post by whyisitso on May 6, 2015 16:54:17 GMT -5
I pray that your eyes can be opened in a gentle manner, not as crudely as can happen here on tmb. Crudely? How so? Perhaps you mean bluntly? I do not know. Would you please elaborate? Exactly what I meant Crudely, bluntly, direct, frank, indelicate..... Crude: adj In a natural or raw state, not yet processed or refined Blunt: adj Uncompromisingly forthright
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Post by Greg on May 6, 2015 17:06:48 GMT -5
Crudely? How so? Perhaps you mean bluntly? I do not know. Would you please elaborate? Exactly what I meant Crudely, bluntly, direct, frank, indelicate..... Crude: adj In a natural or raw state, not yet processed or refined Blunt: adj Uncompromisingly forthright I thank you.
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Post by Greg on May 6, 2015 17:07:55 GMT -5
Greg, does the second meaning below help? To some extent.
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Post by fixit on May 6, 2015 17:09:39 GMT -5
Greg, whyisitso's definition was clearer.
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I've read a few of your posts Felicity and I feel like you're not ready to hear the truth about the 'truth'.... Rather than wanting to tell you all about my dealings with some of the workers in my part of the world and wanting you to understand where some people (who've been deeply hurt by workers in the 'truth') are coming from with their mistrust and hurt and sadness etc etc of their experiences, I feel like I want to cover your eyes and ears and shepherd you back to your blissfully ignorant little spot on the earth. Shut down your computer, don't ever start it again. Stay off tmb, as it doesn't seem like you're ready for the truth. I remember being told 'don't read the stuff on the Internet, it's all lies lies lies'. That certainly worked for a long time. But then eventually I realized that if my story was so unbelievable, but true, then why wouldn't others be. It's rather confronting when you start to learn the truth about the 'truth'. (this doesn't mean I think all workers and friends are awful... However I've met quite a few who don't act even close to what they should or speak as they should) I pray that your eyes can be opened in a gentle manner, not as crudely as can happen here on tmb. Thank you for your gentleness and consideration, I appreciate it. I'm sure you're right that it would be wiser to stop reading this forum, but please don't worry about me! There's nothing you can tell me about the failings of others that can shake my faith in the living God. Terrible things have happened in the kingdom down through the ages, there's often been wickedness in high places, and people who weren't what they were professing themselves to be. It grieves me to hear about these things, but I'm thankful that all are not like that. There are still some faithful workers and friends who are keeping true and "have not defiled their garments". I have an unshakeable conviction that this is the way that God wants me to serve him and I'm going to do it to the best of my ability.
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Post by Greg on May 6, 2015 17:27:45 GMT -5
Thank you for your gentleness and consideration, I appreciate it. I'm sure you're right that it would be wiser to stop reading this forum, but please don't worry about me! There's nothing you can tell me about the failings of others that can shake my faith in the living God. Terrible things have happened in the kingdom down through the ages, there's often been wickedness in high places, and people who weren't what they were professing themselves to be. It grieves me to hear about these things, but I'm thankful that all are not like that. There are still some faithful workers and friends who are keeping true and "have not defiled their garments". I have an unshakeable conviction that this is the way that God wants me to serve him and I'm going to do it to the best of my ability. The above could be and probably has been written by a Catholic...likely others, too.
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Post by whyisitso on May 6, 2015 19:00:42 GMT -5
I've read a few of your posts Felicity and I feel like you're not ready to hear the truth about the 'truth'.... Rather than wanting to tell you all about my dealings with some of the workers in my part of the world and wanting you to understand where some people (who've been deeply hurt by workers in the 'truth') are coming from with their mistrust and hurt and sadness etc etc of their experiences, I feel like I want to cover your eyes and ears and shepherd you back to your blissfully ignorant little spot on the earth. Shut down your computer, don't ever start it again. Stay off tmb, as it doesn't seem like you're ready for the truth. I remember being told 'don't read the stuff on the Internet, it's all lies lies lies'. That certainly worked for a long time. But then eventually I realized that if my story was so unbelievable, but true, then why wouldn't others be. It's rather confronting when you start to learn the truth about the 'truth'. (this doesn't mean I think all workers and friends are awful... However I've met quite a few who don't act even close to what they should or speak as they should) I pray that your eyes can be opened in a gentle manner, not as crudely as can happen here on tmb. Thank you for your gentleness and consideration, I appreciate it. I'm sure you're right that it would be wiser to stop reading this forum, but please don't worry about me! There's nothing you can tell me about the failings of others that can shake my faith in the living God. Terrible things have happened in the kingdom down through the ages, there's often been wickedness in high places, and people who weren't what they were professing themselves to be. It grieves me to hear about these things, but I'm thankful that all are not like that. There are still some faithful workers and friends who are keeping true and "have not defiled their garments". I have an unshakeable conviction that this is the way that God wants me to serve him and I'm going to do it to the best of my ability. Have corrected my original post as my coffe finally kicked in. 'Blissfully ignorant' is what I wrote (in the kindest way) but 'blissfully unaware' is what I meant! Sorry Felicity. Just for interests sake... You may have answered this elsewhere I don't know... Do you think the meetings way of worship/religious group is the only way to be saved?
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Post by emy on May 6, 2015 21:17:51 GMT -5
Why are there Hymns in the current hymn book that were written by people from "other churches" if the F&w are the only right way Felicity ? Surely if the are so right and every other church is wrong they can write their own hymns.... why use other churches hymns ? It's possible to get the words right without having the actions right! Jesus even said to do as the Pharisees say, but not as they do - "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." There are some lovely hymns in the book that were written by people from other churches. I don't know much about them, or the experiences that prompted them to write those words, so I'm not making any assessment on their lives - just pointing out that there's no reason not to use their words. The majority of hymns in the current book were written by friends and/or workers. No one has ever said that different churches are utterly and completely without truth. Usually the fault lies in the foundation. And what did Jesus say about foundations? Build on the rock, not sand. However, sand is tiny pieces of rock. Therefore, people in different churches surely can have pieces of truth.
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Post by emy on May 6, 2015 21:34:26 GMT -5
So it is not important for preachers' actions and lives to line up with what they preach and they are only accountable to themselves? Then why do the workers so often talk about 'false' preachers and how they don't live what they preach? Heard it even at our last convention. Or is it only important when the goal is to discredit other churches, but not when it comes to the workers who don't live what they preach??? Sorry, I just don't get the inconsistency. In fact, I find it 'outrageous.'..... I totally believe that workers are responsible to live up to what they teach. But what Jesus said was for us to do what men (Pharisees) say, not what they do. Should they be condemned when they fail to live what they teach? Or should we follow this advice: Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.When the sin is also a crime, it's necessary that the person pays his/her dues for the crime.
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Post by mdm on May 6, 2015 23:08:43 GMT -5
It's possible to get the words right without having the actions right! Jesus even said to do as the Pharisees say, but not as they do - "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." There are some lovely hymns in the book that were written by people from other churches. I don't know much about them, or the experiences that prompted them to write those words, so I'm not making any assessment on their lives - just pointing out that there's no reason not to use their words. The majority of hymns in the current book were written by friends and/or workers. No one has ever said that different churches are utterly and completely without truth. Usually the fault lies in the foundation. And what did Jesus say about foundations? Build on the rock, not sand. However, sand is tiny pieces of rock. Therefore, people in different churches surely can have pieces of truth. So f&w's and only they have all the pieces of the truth? How do you know that? Do you go by "you shall know them by their fruits" or...?
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Post by mdm on May 6, 2015 23:34:16 GMT -5
So it is not important for preachers' actions and lives to line up with what they preach and they are only accountable to themselves? Then why do the workers so often talk about 'false' preachers and how they don't live what they preach? Heard it even at our last convention. Or is it only important when the goal is to discredit other churches, but not when it comes to the workers who don't live what they preach??? Sorry, I just don't get the inconsistency. In fact, I find it 'outrageous.'..... I totally believe that workers are responsible to live up to what they teach. But what Jesus said was for us to do what men (Pharisees) say, not what they do. Should they be condemned when they fail to live what they teach? Or should we follow this advice: Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.When the sin is also a crime, it's necessary that the person pays his/her dues for the crime. Surely you don't mean that Jesus' warning against Pharisees applies to the workers??? He also said: "Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Surely you don't mean to say that it applies to the workers, do you? But here is what we are told regarding preachers and teachers in the church: Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits.Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world....contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.Galatians 6:1 gives instruction for dealing with a regular church member, not with a preacher. There is a big difference between the two - in responsibility, in authority and in sphere of influence both for good and bad.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 23:48:40 GMT -5
No one has ever said that different churches are utterly and completely without truth. Usually the fault lies in the foundation. And what did Jesus say about foundations? Build on the rock, not sand. However, sand is tiny pieces of rock. Therefore, people in different churches surely can have pieces of truth. So f&w's and only they have all the pieces of the truth? How do you know that? Do you go by "you shall know them by their fruits" or...? i see nothing in her post about f&w's
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Post by mdm on May 7, 2015 0:02:30 GMT -5
So f&w's and only they have all the pieces of the truth? How do you know that? Do you go by "you shall know them by their fruits" or...? i see nothing in her post about f&w's So you understand Emy's post to imply that no church has all the pieces of the truth or the right foundation? Or...?
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Post by fixit on May 7, 2015 0:37:36 GMT -5
No one has ever said that different churches are utterly and completely without truth. Usually the fault lies in the foundation. And what did Jesus say about foundations? Build on the rock, not sand. However, sand is tiny pieces of rock. Therefore, people in different churches surely can have pieces of truth. What do you consider "the foundation" to be Emy? The foundation is simply obeying the words of Jesus. And Jesus wasn't speaking of churches or mission groups - he was speaking of individuals.
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Post by tom on May 7, 2015 7:08:06 GMT -5
It's important for workers to hold themselves responsible to live what they preach, just as we are responsible to live up to our own words. We'll always be able to see faults in others, that doesn't in any way invalidate those who are keeping true. The hymns in our book have been carefully selected, and the sentiments expressed are in line with the scriptures. This wouldn't be the case for all hymns that have been written for other churches, and the same would apply to their books, sermons and preachers. Some of their words may be good and acceptable, but that doesn't mean they all are. I was given a book written by a minister of another church which contained some interesting and Biblically accurate material but it also contained a lot of contradictions to the scriptures, so I disposed of it in case my kids would assume they could trust it because it was on a shelf in our home. Much like words that come out of SOME workers mouths then? I've read a few of your posts Felicity and I feel like you're not ready to hear the truth about the 'truth'.... Rather than wanting to tell you all about my dealings with some of the workers in my part of the world and wanting you to understand where some people (who've been deeply hurt by workers in the 'truth') are coming from with their mistrust and hurt and sadness etc etc of their experiences, I feel like I want to cover your eyes and ears and shepherd you back to your blissfully unaware (edited) little spot on the earth. Shut down your computer, don't ever start it again. Stay off tmb, as it doesn't seem like you're ready for the truth. I remember being told 'don't read the stuff on the Internet, it's all lies lies lies'. That certainly worked for a long time. But then eventually I realized that if my story was so unbelievable, but true, then why wouldn't others be. It's rather confronting when you start to learn the truth about the 'truth'. (this doesn't mean I think all workers and friends are awful... However I've met quite a few who don't act even close to what they should or speak as they should) I pray that your eyes can be opened in a gentle manner, not as crudely as can happen here on tmb. Something I cannot understand. Most of you here write constantly of your dislike for the exclusivity of the 2x2 church. You also (correctly ) constantly write that salvation is found through Jesus. Felicity tells us of her love for her God, her love for her fellowship and those she has fellowship with, her concern for those that dont know God and her belief that what is written in Gods word is true.... and you cant stand it! ! Here is whyisitso doing all he/she can to persuade her that her that she cant possibly be happy, she must be blind and when her eyes are opened ('learn the truth ) then all will be well. How exclusive. If Felicity is happy in her personal relationship with God and her fellowship isn't that what matters. Does it occur to you that many of us are aware of things that have happened that shouldnt, people that have done and said things they shouldn't (we ARE dealing with humans and human nature after all) but we love God, have a very personal relationship with him and love the fellowship we enjoy with others. Why are you so desperate to convince us otherwise.!
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Post by julio on May 7, 2015 10:01:34 GMT -5
Thank you, Tom; I agree that the end result we want is a deep personal relationship with God. It has concerned me to that sometimes there is quite an exclusive direction against anyone who loves their place in the 2x2 fellowship, and chooses to continue therein. Funny, this morning, I awoke with a similar thought on my mind, and it was a question to those who are 'against' our fellowship: "If you arrive in Heaven, and see there are people there who rejoiced in their place in the 2x2 fellowship, would you hate that so much that you'd want to leave?"
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Post by mdm on May 7, 2015 11:18:16 GMT -5
Thank you, Tom; I agree that the end result we want is a deep personal relationship with God. It has concerned me to that sometimes there is quite an exclusive direction against anyone who loves their place in the 2x2 fellowship, and chooses to continue therein. Funny, this morning, I awoke with a similar thought on my mind, and it was a question to those who are 'against' our fellowship: "If you arrive in Heaven, and see there are people there who rejoiced in their place in the 2x2 fellowship, would you hate that so much that you'd want to leave?" I've been thinking myself lately that I am looking forward to having fellowship with f&w's in heaven, because right now as someone who is not in meetings, I can't have it. Their exclusivity usually prevents spiritual fellowship with those who are not in meetings - as the subject of this thread points out. Are you sure that "there is quite an exclusive direction" against those who chose to be in meetings? I myself don't have a problem with staying in meetings, but with upholding the meetings as the only true way and yet refusing to address the wrongs done in the meetings. They say they are more perfect than all other churches, yet when wrongs are pointed out, they excuse them by saying - we are just human, and other churches have done the same. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you are like everyone else or you are not - you can't chose when to admit you are the same as everyone else depending on when it suits you. I respect Graham Thompson - he holds the view that this is the right church, but he is also honest about problems and wants to see them fixed. He doesn't close his eyes to problems saying "the way is perfect but we are not" as an excuse for allowing wrongs to continue. He really cares about his church and if there were more like him, I would probably still be in the meetings.
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Post by rational on May 7, 2015 11:29:47 GMT -5
I've been thinking myself lately that I am looking forward to having fellowship with f&w's in heaven, because right now as someone who is not in meetings, I can't have it. Their exclusivity usually prevents spiritual fellowship with those who are not in meetings - as the subject of this thread points out. This would seem to present an interesting logical dilemma. Assuming that one has to have the 'correct' beliefs to gain access to heaven would a group that believes they are the only way to gain eternal life be included with a group that does not believe that? Clearly one of them is in error. Christianity is already exclusive and I have read posts from some who believe that a sub-group of christianity that declares itself exclusive is not following the teachings of Jesus.
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Post by mdm on May 7, 2015 11:38:01 GMT -5
I've been thinking myself lately that I am looking forward to having fellowship with f&w's in heaven, because right now as someone who is not in meetings, I can't have it. Their exclusivity usually prevents spiritual fellowship with those who are not in meetings - as the subject of this thread points out. This would seem to present an interesting logical dilemma. Assuming that one has to have the 'correct' beliefs to gain access to heaven would a group that believes they are the only way to gain eternal life be included with a group that does not believe that? Clearly one of them is in error. Christianity is already exclusive and I have read posts from some who believe that a sub-group of christianity that declares itself exclusive is not following the teachings of Jesus. It only presents a dilemma if one thinks that it's a certain belief that secures place in heaven.
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Post by rational on May 7, 2015 11:51:31 GMT -5
It only presents a dilemma if one thinks that it's a certain belief that secures place in heaven. I was just going by what is recorded in the bible. But I am sure the phrase "believes in me" has been given thousands of meanings!
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Post by snow on May 7, 2015 17:05:30 GMT -5
Yes, the Bible reminds us of the greatest commandment.... The only challenge is that there are many Christians who live as whole-hearted disciples of Jesus but workers and many friends regard them as "children of Satan". On what basis do you say that many Christians live as whole hearted disciples of Jesus? Do you know the heart of each of these many Christians? Do you know their hearts as God does? On what basis do you say workers and many friends regard them as children of Satan? This is a statement you have made on your perception. I will give your statement credence when you provide evidence of these workers and many friends. Or would you like us to accept each statement in each post of yours as gospel truth? I know many workers and many friends who do not regard them as children of Satan. So I have to very much doubt your statement I'm afraid. Well personally I know that I am the 'spawn of the devil'. A worker told me so when I was 12. So some obviously do believe that.
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Post by snow on May 7, 2015 17:08:17 GMT -5
So where is the line in history from Jesus to William Irvine ? Who were the workers before Irvine? Like I said, it's pointless to go there again. It's never pointless. You're still alive. While there is life there is hope.
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Post by snow on May 7, 2015 17:25:49 GMT -5
Much like words that come out of SOME workers mouths then? I've read a few of your posts Felicity and I feel like you're not ready to hear the truth about the 'truth'.... Rather than wanting to tell you all about my dealings with some of the workers in my part of the world and wanting you to understand where some people (who've been deeply hurt by workers in the 'truth') are coming from with their mistrust and hurt and sadness etc etc of their experiences, I feel like I want to cover your eyes and ears and shepherd you back to your blissfully unaware (edited) little spot on the earth. Shut down your computer, don't ever start it again. Stay off tmb, as it doesn't seem like you're ready for the truth. I remember being told 'don't read the stuff on the Internet, it's all lies lies lies'. That certainly worked for a long time. But then eventually I realized that if my story was so unbelievable, but true, then why wouldn't others be. It's rather confronting when you start to learn the truth about the 'truth'. (this doesn't mean I think all workers and friends are awful... However I've met quite a few who don't act even close to what they should or speak as they should) I pray that your eyes can be opened in a gentle manner, not as crudely as can happen here on tmb. Something I cannot understand. Most of you here write constantly of your dislike for the exclusivity of the 2x2 church. You also (correctly ) constantly write that salvation is found through Jesus. Felicity tells us of her love for her God, her love for her fellowship and those she has fellowship with, her concern for those that dont know God and her belief that what is written in Gods word is true.... and you cant stand it! ! Here is whyisitso doing all he/she can to persuade her that her that she cant possibly be happy, she must be blind and when her eyes are opened ('learn the truth ) then all will be well. How exclusive. If Felicity is happy in her personal relationship with God and her fellowship isn't that what matters. Does it occur to you that many of us are aware of things that have happened that shouldnt, people that have done and said things they shouldn't (we ARE dealing with humans and human nature after all) but we love God, have a very personal relationship with him and love the fellowship we enjoy with others. Why are you so desperate to convince us otherwise.! I pretty much agree with this. All religions are the same, they offer a personal connection with that person's interpretation of God and it usually brings them great joy and comfort. It's not necessary to have them change where and how they worship if it satisfies them. In fact it could very well do more harm than good. Especially if it's not replaced by something that gives them equal joy and comfort. I find it interesting and just a tad arrogant that Christians all supposedly worship the same God, follow Jesus as the 'way' yet someone can be in the 'wrong' Christian church. But I guess that's all part of it. It must be their church that is the right church or way because it is part of their relationship with God and that's important.
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Post by emy on May 7, 2015 17:36:26 GMT -5
No one has ever said that different churches are utterly and completely without truth. Usually the fault lies in the foundation. And what did Jesus say about foundations? Build on the rock, not sand. However, sand is tiny pieces of rock. Therefore, people in different churches surely can have pieces of truth. What do you consider "the foundation" to be Emy? The foundation is simply obeying the words of Jesus. And Jesus wasn't speaking of churches or mission groups - he was speaking of individuals.iI agree. We are taught again and again that our salvation and service is an individual matter. Jesus said to build on the rock and then at another point told Peter and the others that the rock is the revelation that he is the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Why in the WORLD did he not make it clearer at that point that we should believe he is God the Son? ) And later he also brought in obedience to the word.
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