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Post by does it matter on Mar 21, 2006 18:16:17 GMT -5
It is special meetings time in Europe...and many workers are traveling the friendly skies to get to meetings in such locations as Portugal, Belgium, & a bunch of other European nations that have escaped my memory. Do you have a problem with that?
If the professing people are well-aware that much of their financial donations go for such things as travel expenses...where is there a problem? It is no secret that there are certain times of the year in which the workers take to the skies frequently.
I dare say that the travel expenditures for other denominations sometimes call for monitary expenditures too.
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Post by TULIP on Mar 21, 2006 18:38:17 GMT -5
No I do not have a problem with that… And to think of it, only bitter people might have a problem with that…
So we are to protect them from thesmelvs and how they spend their money? If they want to give without knowing where every last cent goes, then that’s their prerogative.
Sometimes?
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Post by IllinoisGal on Mar 21, 2006 21:15:48 GMT -5
I think it safe to say that all denominations have meetings all across the country and travel to those by way of plane. Its not a 2x2 thing
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Post by not a problem on Mar 22, 2006 0:04:09 GMT -5
I agree with tulip & Illinoisgal. It really should not be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 2:23:39 GMT -5
Most folks have an understanding for some of the advantages of airtravel over cheaper forms of transportation. Workers have choosen a life style that includes a fair bit of traveling --- (for many this is one of the attractions of going into the work!!)
'Jet setting' can hardly be regarded as a sin -- However I don't think that the demand for 'honesty' can be exclusively reserved for the 'bitter' as Tulip has implied.
I have full understanding for folks who notice the dishonest contradiction of workers who claim extreme poverty, blatently deny any form of organizational ecconomic strength --- and then turn up with 5-10 air tickets for high status leadership to the next leg of the European convention season.
Honesty should not be regarded as an old-fashioned virtue reserved for the bitter!!!
Edgar
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Post by bogoso on Mar 22, 2006 4:10:46 GMT -5
I think that this is a petty arguement. What are you suggesting, that they go by road or rail instead?
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Post by jxr on Mar 22, 2006 4:34:08 GMT -5
I dont' think it is a petty argument. I would question the spiritual value of large f&w meetings and copious numbers of visiting workers. Why is it necessary?
Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should. (I smile inside as I reuse this mantra)
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Post by bogoso on Mar 22, 2006 4:44:44 GMT -5
Is there anything at all the the 2X2's do or believe in that the EX's agree with?
Or is just a pathological hatred of all that they do?
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 22, 2006 5:12:50 GMT -5
Only way for the workers and friends to do anything right, is to do nothing at all. Even then they are wrong for doing nothing, but when they do something they are wrong for doing anything. Confusing world.
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Post by bogoso on Mar 22, 2006 6:01:28 GMT -5
It is confusing I agree.
I wonder what the ratio of 2x2 members to 2x2 ex'es is that are posting on this site?
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 22, 2006 6:33:34 GMT -5
There seem to be a new generation of posters... or maybe its just me. They go to meetings and listen to the workers, but dont agree with 90% of what is said or done by the friends or workers.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Mar 22, 2006 7:27:35 GMT -5
I know many of you are 2x2's on this board and wont agree with Tithe paying. I feel once I place the money I CHOOSE to give in an offering its there business to distribute it as they see fit.
The way I see it, thats between them my pastor and God. He will have to answer for it, Not me.
I've flown many time so whats wrong with them doing it? To the 2x2's the $ thats given from the friends should be used as they see fit.
I cant see the problem here thats for sure
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 7:30:48 GMT -5
Is there anything at all the the 2X2's do or believe in that the EX's agree with? Or is just a pathological hatred of all that they do? A good start would be for workers to abandon the principle that what makes them 'a servant of God' is their false claim to unique poverty!!! Another good point would be for them to admit that there are people in this world outside their organization, that deserve Christian respect?? Edgar |
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Post by Lloyd swanson on Mar 22, 2006 7:55:14 GMT -5
AMEN
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Post by bogoso on Mar 22, 2006 8:37:04 GMT -5
I think that the respect should go both ways. 2X2's have many members who I respect, but there are plenty of others that I would hold in complete disrespect....... and the same is true for people I know in other Christian organizations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 9:01:46 GMT -5
I think that the respect should go both ways. 2X2's have many members who I respect, but there are plenty of others that I would hold in complete disrespect....... and the same is true for people I know in other Christian organizations. To me it is important to remember that 2x2 people and workers are men and women on exactly the same plane as everyone else. The 2x2 doctrine trys to teach its membership that they are more right with God than any other people on earth. 2x2 doctrine trys to indoctrinate its membership to believe they possess superior righteousness before God --- and that God regards 2x2 membership to be closer to him than the entire scope of humanity outside their organization. (and this doctrine has succeeding in convincing these people that this feeling of superiority within them does not constitute self-righteousness!!!  |
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Post by hard work on Mar 22, 2006 9:05:04 GMT -5
Once money/donations is given to the work it is given and the giver has done so because they want to. Nobody ever really knows what it is used for other than for the work as in any denomination. If it is needed for travel then so be it. I think it may look to some that the workers are jet setters when they have the privelage to visit a foreign country - I believe it is hard work for them on the other hand....they do have more meetings, conventions and visiting to do that isnt exactly a holiday.
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Post by bogoso on Mar 22, 2006 9:40:20 GMT -5
I have never thought that 2X2 people weren't on the same plane as everyone else.
It would be dangerous to think yourself better than anyone else wouldn't it? I was taught by my faithful God-fearing parents and grandparents to never judge anyone..... no matter who
Maybe Edgar thinks himself better than the 2X2 people...... dangerous ground isn't it? Without real proof about who is actually on the right track I'd probably keep judgements like that to myself
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Post by Come on come on on Mar 22, 2006 9:43:49 GMT -5
I have never thought that 2X2 people weren't on the same plane as everyone else. It would be dangerous to think yourself better than anyone else wouldn't it? I was taught by my faithful God-fearing parents and grandparents to never judge anyone..... no matter who Maybe Edgar thinks himself better than the 2X2 people...... dangerous ground isn't it? Without real proof about who is actually on the right track I'd probably keep judgements like that to myself Have you never heard the 2x2 expression for folks that choose to disassociate themselves with the group 'lost out'? Can you regard folks 'lost out' and not regard yourself as superior?  |
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Post by judge on Mar 22, 2006 9:46:48 GMT -5
It would be dangerous to think yourself better than anyone else wouldn't it? I was taught by my faithful God-fearing parents and grandparents to never judge anyone..... no matter who
Maybe Edgar thinks himself better than the 2X2 people...... dangerous ground isn't it? Without real proof about who is actually on the right track I'd probably keep judgements like that to myself
Is this not judgment?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 10:17:00 GMT -5
It would be dangerous to think yourself better than anyone else wouldn't it? I was taught by my faithful God-fearing parents and grandparents to never judge anyone..... no matter who Maybe Edgar thinks himself better than the 2X2 people...... dangerous ground isn't it? Without real proof about who is actually on the right track I'd probably keep judgements like that to myself Is this not judgment?Are you trying to convince us that 2x2 people haven't been taught that they are 'Gods people on the earth' (everyone outside the group isn't) The workers are 'Gods only servants' (every other religious teacher is a false prophet) The Lord is only present in 'the Sunday meeting in the home' arranged by the workers. (every other gathering in the community is less important) The gospel hasn't come to a country until the workers come. Every other effort in that country previously was less significant!! Don't come with the hogwash that 2x2s don't feel they are superior to other people in the world. Sit in any fellowship meeting for 10 minutes and this fact is established .... "We are the best" |
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Post by bogoso on Mar 22, 2006 11:24:29 GMT -5
I have never actually had an thoughts and ideas myself like the ones that you are putting forward in your post........ my faith was a simple one and I never condemned anyone that was not a 2X2. If i have fellowship with the 2X2's but dont subscibe to those ideas then does that mean that my faith is wrong??
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Post by bogoso on Mar 22, 2006 11:27:06 GMT -5
And does that mean that the 2X2's think that God isn't with me when I am working here alone in an isolated part of the world???
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Post by TULIP on Mar 22, 2006 11:55:31 GMT -5
Does anyone realize how stupid this thread is?
Who Cares if preachers fly on planes to visit other members of their church?
THIS IS SOOOOOOO STUPID!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2006 11:57:28 GMT -5
Does anyone realize how stupid this thread is? Who Cares if preachers fly on planes to visit other members of their church? THIS IS SOOOOOOO STUPID! If you don't like it -- go somewhere else that you regard more worthy your inteligence. |
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Post by TULIP on Mar 22, 2006 12:06:01 GMT -5
If you don't like it -- go somewhere else that you regard more worthy your inteligence. Irrelevant to my point… |
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Post by Alistair Duntosher on Mar 22, 2006 12:46:13 GMT -5
Most times in Europe the Workers will travel "first class" or "business" air fare, not only paying the higher prices but booking the plumb seats in the progress. I have heard this justified that it can work out cheaper to make a block of bookings either first class or business. However I don't know the ins and outs of it.
Often when I think of this I cannot help but consider the old dears who are struggling on a pension and throwing in a lot more than their two mites worth to pay for all this.
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Post by Maggie on Mar 22, 2006 12:55:46 GMT -5
Irrelevant to my point… Not so irrelevant really!! You asked "who cares". Well OBVIOUSLY there is some care expressed in the above posts. But I think you have twisted the origin of their care. If you read back, the main concern is not that they fly on planes, it is the inconsistency. Not one single poster in this thread has suggested that the workers should NOT fly.So the response you got to your blast regarding the STUPID postings is quite relevant. Untwist you knickers by not engaging. Obviously there is an interest in this thread. |
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