Jet setting workers

[Mr Tindrucvionging Unplugged]

Please note that I did no post relies # 47 + 49. I do not wish to comment on the content of these posts. I have nothing against them, it's just that I do not wish my name to be confused with them, that's all !

[Attog Melborp]

"gotta problem," I wholeheartedly agree with the content of you post #54 above. Interstingly your parents' period of professing, i.e. 55+ follows on sweetly from your post number "54."
Is this a coincidence or did you mean it that way ?

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bit said:

ghost said:

The title of this thead should be:

Jet setting HOMELESS TAX EXEMPT workers - with fat bank accounts ... who preach that ONLY HUMILITY and the NARROW WAY of their own version of Christianity brings salvation

If this sounds as a contradiction in terms, or an oxymoron, that is exctly what it is - like the teachings of these ... (well let's not use bad words here) people who ruin lives and families and even the spirit of the gospel.

bit of a sick unit are you?

Wonder about the definition of a 'sick unit' -- Is it less sick to proffess 'homelesses' when a person lives in a much higher standard of daily living than most of the people they regard as 'too rich' to be members in their exclusive club? What about people that openly have access to homes whereever they go --- yet proclaim homelessness as a Christian virtue that they possess!!!

Is it less sick to claim that a financial organization disqualifies the entire dominational group of Christian people outside their organization? ---- and then justify the countless hidden accounts and placement funds that their own group has in most countries of the world.

Is it less sick to proffess Christian humility -- and then regard themselves as superior before God than EVERYONE else in EVERYOTHER group in their communities (and in the world)?

[whats]

intelligent said:

Where do some of us get off, using abusive and crude language...when intelligent discourse would suffice?

what's it to you?

[oh my]

edgarmassey said:

bit said:

bit of a sick unit are you?

Wonder about the definition of a 'sick unit' -- Is it less sick to proffess 'homelesses' when a person lives in a much higher standard of daily living than most of the people they regard as 'too rich' to be members in their exclusive club? What about people that openly have access to homes whereever they go --- yet proclaim homelessness as a Christian virtue that they possess!!!

Is it less sick to claim that a financial organization disqualifies the entire dominational group of Christian people outside their organization? ---- and then justify the countless hidden accounts and placement funds that their own group has in most countries of the world.

Is it less sick to proffess Christian humility -- and then regard themselves as superior before God than EVERYONE else in EVERYOTHER group in their communities (and in the world)?

oh my, another sick unit

[to gotta problem]

Do you still have a problem mate ?

[oh my]

to said:

Do you still have a problem mate ?

oh my you haven't caught it aswell?

[to oh my]

oh said:

to said:

Do you still have a problem mate ?

oh my you haven't caught it aswell?

No, I am a little «poor in spirit» ... can you explain please ?

[hmmmm]

So, now is there a cause....what is the sin of owning an airplane. I don't get it, I must be dumb.
If you can own one....then why is it pride to ride 1 oh well......

[Seasons]

I thought it was approaching convention time in Europe, not special meetings?

[ghost]

How can somebody who claims to be HOMELESS, travel frequently on a plane - often business class ?

[Terry]

when I was "in" I gave money without regard for where it went--trusting the workers---BUT---I did and do have concerns when listening to them preach that they are penniless and "homeless" and how evil other ministers are because they are paid. I see little difference in passing a collection plate or telling the congregation that "we don't pass a collection plate because you the true believers" will take care of our needs--isn't this asking for money?

[because]

ghost said:

How can somebody who claims to be HOMELESS, travel frequently on a plane - often business class ?

because they are allowed to
paul was homeless yet traveled on a boat as did Jesus who was sleeping while others toiled sort of like business class aye?
do you own the plane you travel on?

[spirit]

to said:

oh said:

oh my you haven't caught it aswell?

No, I am a little «poor in spirit» ... can you explain please ?

poor in spirit has nothing to do with it it is a human nature problem

[reason for travel]

I suppose the workers "circulating", & traveling thither & yon...helps prevent isolation from developing, which might engender schisms, and regional variants of the truth. The "jet setting" serves to help promote unity of spirit, and methodology of the ministry and fellowship.

[money and homeless]

It is possible to have money & yet be homeless.

[guest jet setter]

Wonder why no one has been bad mouthing Paul,
Peter, John, Titus, Timothy, etc.?

[paul and company]

I don't think Paul & company were jet setters...but I think I understand what you mean:

Paul & company had money but no fixed residence?

[ghost]

Paul travelled on a boat AS A PRISONER. Furthermore he claimed Roman citizenship and got the treatement deserved to Roman citizens. He did not collect money from christians to travel first class. If the workers want to claim their American (or other) citizenship and travel first class AT THE EXPENSES of the state I have no problem. Collecting TAX EXEMPT and never declared money, preaching they are poor and homeless and then travel first or business class, that is what makes me sick. It is the hypocrisy and non-accountablity combined with preaching humility, poorness and accountablity for others, even criticizing preachers of other religions/denominations to live «richly» and not follow the example of «poor» Jesus and the «poor» apostles - as the workers do - that is unacceptable.

And it is a pity that presumably intelligent people (like some of the contributors in this board) cannot see this very simple thing !

[thanks]

Thanks for info.

[do]

money said:

It is possible to have money & yet be homeless.

do you think Jesus had money at His disposal?
do you think Jesus owned a home?

[so]

ghost said:

Paul travelled on a boat AS A PRISONER. Furthermore he claimed Roman citizenship and got the treatement deserved to Roman citizens. He did not collect money from christians to travel first class. If the workers want to claim their American (or other) citizenship and travel first class AT THE EXPENSES of the state I have no problem. Collecting TAX EXEMPT and never declared money, preaching they are poor and homeless and then travel first or business class, that is what makes me sick. It is the hypocrisy and non-accountablity combined with preaching humility, poorness and accountablity for others, even criticizing preachers of other religions/denominations to live «richly» and not follow the example of «poor» Jesus and the «poor» apostles - as the workers do - that is unacceptable.

And it is a pity that presumably intelligent people (like some of the contributors in this board) cannot see this very simple thing !

so every trip Paul made on a boat was as a PRISONER i think not

[jesus had money]

Jesus had money at his disposal as given by his followers, and as far as we know (after childhood) He had no fixed place of residence (home). Correct me if I am mistaken.

[ghost]

because said:

because they are allowed to
paul was homeless yet traveled on a boat as did Jesus who was sleeping while others toiled sort of like business class aye?
do you own the plane you travel on?

so said:

so every trip Paul made on a boat was as a PRISONER i think not

Apparently you do not read the Bible, nor my posts.
I wrote that Paul travelled ON A BOAT as a prisonner.

Then all the other trips of the apostles mentioned in other posts were made ON FOOT. Jesus travelled on a BORROWED donkey for a short period too.

Finally, yes Jesus did have money, an accountant Judas - who could even steel, i.e. there were quite some sums in the sac, enough to cover the expenses of 13 men for 3 years) and he always had the support and the houses of his parents and Lazarus and Herod's sister and Magalene's and the other Mary's and Peter's and John's parents ... So he was not homeless - just travelling around. Diogenes was homeless, Budha was homeless (at least for a period), Indian shamans are homeless. Jesus was not and even was well received in mariages, feasts, wine tastings, suppers and good meals (somebody used the experssion meal circuit in this board sometime ago). And I am grateful to the workers who in our age and time refute and abolish this myth of a «poor» Jesus and of «poor» Christians, which was a myth all along ...

[jxr]

reason said:

I suppose the workers "circulating", & traveling thither & yon...helps prevent isolation from developing, which might engender schisms, and regional variants of the truth. The "jet setting" serves to help promote unity of spirit, and methodology of the ministry and fellowship.

If God (and the Holy Spirit) is almighty and omniscient, why does he need his spokespersons (workers) to jet about the globe in the interests of a united spirit?

[bogoso]

This thread is getting a little boring.

Would you respect the workers more if they lived under bridges and in alleyways and walked everywhere?? I think not.

Lets keep it real.

[jxr]

bogoso said:

This thread is getting a little boring.

Would you respect the workers more if they lived under bridges and in alleyways and walked everywhere?? I think not.

Lets keep it real.

I'd respect workers more if they got out of "their" rooms, out of "their" houses, out of "their" cars, and interacted a little more with Joe-public. Cups of tea with little old professing ladies and visitng professing folk in horsepiddle, might be nice, but really and truely, that should be the minority of their work.

There seems to be an expectation now-days, that the congregation is somehow responsible for dragging potential converts along to the gospel meeting.

Only a generation or so ago, the western workers got around on bicycles and public transport. Yes, the friends had to chauffeur them or lend them their vehicles occasionally, but this was the exception rather than the rule. There were no dedicated worker-mobiles then.

[bogoso]

Yes I remember the days that the workers got around on bikes and buses............. but so did 90% of the population!!! Get with the times I say