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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 25, 2024 2:11:54 GMT -5
You might need to find Jon McClernon's YouTube podcasts, as it was in one of those that he presented the numbers. He is a member of the church, and is in touch with Sheri and Lauren and co.
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Post by fixit on Mar 27, 2024 2:53:37 GMT -5
You might need to find Jon McClernon's YouTube podcasts, as it was in one of those that he presented the numbers. He is a member of the church, and is in touch with Sheri and Lauren and co. For the numbers to mean anything at all we would need to know whether it is: 1. 17% of current workers in the US and Canada 2. 17% of current workers worldwide 3. 17% of people who were in the work in the US and Canada at the time of the offending 4. 17% of people who were in the work worldwide at the time of the offending 5. 17% of something else |
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 27, 2024 5:36:52 GMT -5
For the numbers to mean anything at all we would need to know whether it is: 1. 17% of current workers in the US and Canada 2. 17% of current workers worldwide 3. 17% of people who were in the work in the US and Canada at the time of the offending 4. 17% of people who were in the work worldwide at the time of the offending 5. 17% of something else And whether the 17% alleged abusers is inclusive of historical cases/ abusers dead ( which I understand they are) & how many years back? I assume the statistics of workers and friends varies from decade to decade. Could be wrong. How do they calculate how many friends there are worldwide? Jon's podcast where he went through the statistics seems to have gone from YouTube, as have quite a number. I know he was taking a hiatus while sorting out some issues with his other life-coaching podcasts, but I don't know why some podcasts have gone.
Hi does say in Podcast 9 that 40% of perpetrators are workers. I assume, because he's Canadian, he is referring to US and Canada and the current crop, so I would think option 1.
He does call out workers and overseers by name.
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Post by verna on Mar 27, 2024 20:07:41 GMT -5
And whether the 17% alleged abusers is inclusive of historical cases/ abusers dead ( which I understand they are) & how many years back? I assume the statistics of workers and friends varies from decade to decade. Could be wrong. How do they calculate how many friends there are worldwide? Jon's podcast where he went through the statistics seems to have gone from YouTube, as have quite a number. I know he was taking a hiatus while sorting out some issues with his other life-coaching podcasts, but I don't know why some podcasts have gone.
Hi does say in Podcast 9 that 40% of perpetrators are workers. I assume, because he's Canadian, he is referring to US and Canada and the current crop, so I would think option 1.
He does call out workers and overseers by name.
I’ve been wondering what happened to Jonathon. Haven’t seen or heard anything for a few months it seems. Anybody know? |
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 27, 2024 20:34:01 GMT -5
I think there was an issue with monetisation of his other channels, and he said he would be back when he was able to get it all resolved. There maybe other issues too.
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Post by snow on Mar 28, 2024 12:18:47 GMT -5
My understanding of the 40% of the abusers were workers is current and historical and it's worldwide not just in America. So this covers decades as there are some in their 70's and 80's that have come forward naming their abuser.
500+ abusers have been named and 40% of the 500 + were workers at some point and/or currently.
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Post by xna on Mar 28, 2024 12:36:04 GMT -5
My understanding of the 40% of the abusers were workers is current and historical and it's worldwide not just in America. So this covers decades as there are some in their 70's and 80's that have come forward naming their abuser. 500+ abusers have been named and 40% of the 500 + were workers at some point and/or currently. That's amazing! |
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Post by snow on Mar 28, 2024 13:37:38 GMT -5
My understanding of the 40% of the abusers were workers is current and historical and it's worldwide not just in America. So this covers decades as there are some in their 70's and 80's that have come forward naming their abuser. 500+ abusers have been named and 40% of the 500 + were workers at some point and/or currently. That's amazing! Just read on Advocates for the Truth that the number of abusers has risen to over 700 and most of them have more than one allegation so the likelihood of the friends sitting in a meeting with a survivor or even an abuser is quite high. I don't know if this new number still holds true that 40% were/are workers or not. Can't find new stats on it. There were stats that did state that the 2x2 church now out paces the RCC for abusers based on the smaller numbers of members in the 2x2 Edit: Just talked to Shari and she has confirmed it's based on deceased and living workers worldwide. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 28, 2024 18:07:34 GMT -5
Thanks Snow. The stat I heard was that it is about double the offending rate of the Catholic Church when comparing workers to priests.
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