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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 21, 2024 0:54:34 GMT -5
You were busy telling victims to forgive their abusers, and in doing so you were adding to the victims' trauma. Yes, I was given them the 🔑 to set them FREE from unforgiveness toward their abuser against them according to Jesus teachings in Matthew 6: 14-15 if ye forgive men their trespasses/sins against you, your Heavenly Father will forgive your sins! If ye Forgive NOT their sins against you, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive your sins. Hey, the choice is your to make! Please, report your abusers to the Authority and let the laws deals with them. Hopefully, they will repent of their sins against their victims and against God. If they don’t repent and change their behavior and way of life God will deal with them. Vengeance is mine said the Lord. God will do things worse to them than the authority can ever do to the abusers. This way the victims have peace of mind and can move on with their lives by seeking professional help to cope with the emotional and mental scars for the rest of their lives. And that precisely is what a victim does not want to hear, and any psychologist would back that up. The mind of a CSA victim does not work like that.
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Post by jonathan on Mar 21, 2024 1:04:38 GMT -5
Yes, I was given them the 🔑 to set them FREE from unforgiveness toward their abuser against them according to Jesus teachings in Matthew 6: 14-15 if ye forgive men their trespasses/sins against you, your Heavenly Father will forgive your sins! If ye Forgive NOT their sins against you, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive your sins. Hey, the choice is your to make! Please, report your abusers to the Authority and let the laws deals with them. Hopefully, they will repent of their sins against their victims and against God. If they don’t repent and change their behavior and way of life God will deal with them. Vengeance is mine said the Lord. God will do things worse to them than the authority can ever do to the abusers. This way the victims have peace of mind and can move on with their lives by seeking professional help to cope with the emotional and mental scars for the rest of their lives. And that precisely is what a victim does not want to hear, and any psychologist would back that up. The mind of a CSA victim does not work like that. The psychological and emotional damage done to victim of csa/sa is such that they can hardly pray. They first need to get into a space where they can begin to pray and think soberly about what had happened. Forgiveness is a scene a long way down the road which most victims of csa sadly don't reach. They first need a measure of healing before they can think straight about anything. They have different stages in different phases they go through. Believe me, every victim of csa dreams about reaching this stage, which is quite a way down their road. God in His righteous judgment knows what to expect from a victim of csa. Comments from a bystander who don't understand don't help the victim. In fact, they rather help to absolve the perp.
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Post by guest8 on Mar 21, 2024 1:04:46 GMT -5
Yes agree Prags Its a pity the FBI dont investigate those who create further abuse to victims of CSA. Namely, any in the church who regurgitate abuse by expecting victims to forgive their abuser. I personally find it quite sick.
People in general, who have been abused are not interested in Jesus talk. They have to deal with reality. In effect, such talk is being in league with the perpetrator because its what a perpetrator wants.
And to wind back to the thread title, I understand Judy was advocating , that the perpetrator confronts their vile deeds rather than having expectations of the victim.
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 1:06:44 GMT -5
Yes, I was given them the 🔑 to set them FREE from unforgiveness toward their abuser against them according to Jesus teachings in Matthew 6: 14-15 if ye forgive men their trespasses/sins against you, your Heavenly Father will forgive your sins! If ye Forgive NOT their sins against you, neither will your Heavenly Father forgive your sins. Hey, the choice is your to make! Please, report your abusers to the Authority and let the laws deals with them. Hopefully, they will repent of their sins against their victims and against God. If they don’t repent and change their behavior and way of life God will deal with them. Vengeance is mine said the Lord. God will do things worse to them than the authority can ever do to the abusers. This way the victims have peace of mind and can move on with their lives by seeking professional help to cope with the emotional and mental scars for the rest of their lives. And that precisely is what a victim does not want to hear, and any psychologist would back that up. The mind of a CSA victim does not work like that. Jesus is God the second supreme being of the Godhead! He KNOWS how to heal CSA victims and the abusers or any sins committed by the humans. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are the MOST powerful Deity in the Universe, they are much wiser and smarter than ALL humans psychologists on this 🌏 planet put together. The Triune God created the humans minds, they KNOW how it works and how to heal it!👍👆 TRUST in the Wise creator of mankind! Put Jesus Matthew 6:14-15 into practice and you will see miracles of healing ❤️🩹 the minds and broken hearts before your very eyes! I have been there in MANY situations in life and it works WONDERS!👍 it cost hardly any money.
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Post by guest8 on Mar 21, 2024 1:09:03 GMT -5
And that precisely is what a victim does not want to hear, and any psychologist would back that up. The mind of a CSA victim does not work like that. Jesus is God the second supreme being of the Godhead! He KNOWS how to heal CSA victims and the abusers or any sins committed by the humans. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are the MOST powerful Deity in the Universe, they are much wiser and smarter than ALL humans psychologists on this 🌏 planet put together. The Triune God created the humans minds, they KNOW how it works and how to heal it!👍👆 You should be reported.
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Post by jonathan on Mar 21, 2024 1:10:39 GMT -5
Making comments like this to a victim of csa who has been unbelieved and made to believe it's their fault or pushed out, is actually rubbing shards of glass and course salt into the wounds of the victim.
So the righteous ones preaching forgiveness should first show us their example of "love thy neighbor as thyself".
I hope they also preach repentance to the perp.
And I certainly hope they also exact the very same high requirement from the perp for "fruit meet for repentance".
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Post by jonathan on Mar 21, 2024 1:18:29 GMT -5
And that precisely is what a victim does not want to hear, and any psychologist would back that up. The mind of a CSA victim does not work like that. Jesus is God the second supreme being of the Godhead! He KNOWS how to heal CSA victims and the abusers or any sins committed by the humans. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are the MOST powerful Deity in the Universe, they are much wiser and smarter than ALL humans psychologists on this 🌏 planet put together. The Triune God created the humans minds, they KNOW how it works and how to heal it!👍👆 No doubt God has all the power, skill and desire to do the healing. So get out of the way. Stop being a hindrance. Allow God to do His work in His way, in His time. Stop putting the cart in front of the horse by demanding forgiveness by the victim without helping the victim. Respect the process. And may I add, please know your place as an uninformed onlooker. You know absolutely nothing of the trauma, suffering and damage done by a perp to a csa victim. If you ever get to be involved with a victim of csa, especially when you're the person responsible for the victim, you try to your approach. See how it fails. See how it actually pushes the victim deeper and deeper into their misery.
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 1:19:32 GMT -5
Making comments like this to a victim of csa who has been unbelieved and made to believe it's their fault or pushed out, is actually rubbing shards of glass and course salt into the wounds of the victim. So the righteous ones preaching forgiveness should first show us their example of "love thy neighbor as thyself". I hope they also preach repentance to the perp. And I certainly hope they also exact the very same high requirement from the perp for "fruit meet for repentance". Yes, the abusers MUST repent of their sins before God and their victims. They need professional help just like the victims. Then they need God to give them power to overcome their emotional, mental and physical pains, scars and sufferings. It’s a work of a lifetime to get heal.
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 1:21:46 GMT -5
Jesus is God the second supreme being of the Godhead! He KNOWS how to heal CSA victims and the abusers or any sins committed by the humans. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are the MOST powerful Deity in the Universe, they are much wiser and smarter than ALL humans psychologists on this 🌏 planet put together. The Triune God created the humans minds, they KNOW how it works and how to heal it!👍👆 No doubt God has all the power, skill and desire to do the healing. So get out of the way. Stop being a hindrance. Allow God to do His work in His way, in His time. Stop putting the cart in front of the horse by demanding forgiveness by the victim without helping the victim. Respect the process. And may I add, please know your place as an uninformed onlooker. You know absolutely nothing of the trauma, suffering and damage done by a perp to a csa victim. If you ever get to be involved with a victim of csa, especially when you're the person responsible for the victim, you try to your approach. See how it fails. See how it actually pushes the victim deeper and deeper into their misery. Let me repeat it to you again! I have been there as a CSA victim myself. So, I know what I am talking about. I am NOT a by stander or an onlooker as you say. Are you a CSA victim yourself or a by stander/ a looker? I tried my method and it works wonders for all these years. I am FREE! As a 🦅 from the ordeal experiences.
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Post by Dan on Mar 21, 2024 2:27:27 GMT -5
So judgemental in something you really know little about. Judy is 83 and given her heart and soul for many years into the ministry. Including supporting CSA victims... plus. She owes nobody anything IMO. When you've got the likes of Dale Schulz and Merlin Affleck ( they should get the boot) & others running the ministry, I would not blame any worker over there, not wanting to be part of it. If you read her words carefully you should of noticed " I am not stepping aside from God, Jesus, the holy spirit or his people or the victims of abuse, but just the ministry".And no nasty divorce as you put it but an obvious dignified exit. My point was that after surrendering your life to a ministry that you were convinced was the only true path to heaven, it would had to of been a tough decision to leave it.
You may be convinced it was an easy choice for her to just step aside, but I suspect she had a few sleepless nights mulling it over.
I have no arguments with her reasons or sincerity, but divorcing yourself from something you loved and devoted your life to had to of been an unpleasant decision.
She said she was stepping aside from the ministry, but if the ministry is wrong, how could the church be right? There's no real dignified way to condemn a ministry.
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Post by Mary on Mar 21, 2024 2:50:53 GMT -5
No doubt God has all the power, skill and desire to do the healing. So get out of the way. Stop being a hindrance. Allow God to do His work in His way, in His time. Stop putting the cart in front of the horse by demanding forgiveness by the victim without helping the victim. Respect the process. And may I add, please know your place as an uninformed onlooker. You know absolutely nothing of the trauma, suffering and damage done by a perp to a csa victim. If you ever get to be involved with a victim of csa, especially when you're the person responsible for the victim, you try to your approach. See how it fails. See how it actually pushes the victim deeper and deeper into their misery. Let me repeat it to you again! I have been there as a CSA victim myself. So, I know what I am talking about. I am NOT a by stander or an onlooker as you say. Are you a CSA victim yourself or a by stander/ a looker? I tried my method and it works wonders for all these years. I am FREE! As a 🦅 from the ordeal experiences. It depends on a number of things. Abuse is abuse, but offenders relationship to the victim, the age of the victim, the severity and length of time the abuse lasted, support, family dynamics and so on all contribute to the effects of the abuse on the victim. Saying you were abused doesn't tell us much. What age were you, what was your relationship to the abuser, how long did it continue for, how severe, did you try and tell someone and weren't believed and so on? I don't expect you to answer this but to stop and consider them. Forgiveness and healing are not compatible and telling a victim to forgive does more damage than good.
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Post by fixit on Mar 21, 2024 2:57:46 GMT -5
So judgemental in something you really know little about. Judy is 83 and given her heart and soul for many years into the ministry. Including supporting CSA victims... plus. She owes nobody anything IMO. When you've got the likes of Dale Schulz and Merlin Affleck ( they should get the boot) & others running the ministry, I would not blame any worker over there, not wanting to be part of it. If you read her words carefully you should of noticed " I am not stepping aside from God, Jesus, the holy spirit or his people or the victims of abuse, but just the ministry".And no nasty divorce as you put it but an obvious dignified exit. My point was that after surrendering your life to a ministry that you were convinced was the only true path to heaven, it would had to of been a tough decision to leave it. You may be convinced it was an easy choice for her to just step aside, but I suspect she had a few sleepless nights mulling it over. I have no arguments with her reasons or sincerity, but divorcing yourself from something you loved and devoted your life to had to of been an unpleasant decision. She said she was stepping aside from the ministry, but if the ministry is wrong, how could the church be right? There's no real dignified way to condemn a ministry. So if you were in Judy's position would you choose to remain a part of a ministry that supports the pedophiles and continually ignores the victims of child sexual abuse and other forms of abuse?
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Post by guest8 on Mar 21, 2024 2:59:12 GMT -5
So judgemental in something you really know little about. Judy is 83 and given her heart and soul for many years into the ministry. Including supporting CSA victims... plus. She owes nobody anything IMO. When you've got the likes of Dale Schulz and Merlin Affleck ( they should get the boot) & others running the ministry, I would not blame any worker over there, not wanting to be part of it. If you read her words carefully you should of noticed " I am not stepping aside from God, Jesus, the holy spirit or his people or the victims of abuse, but just the ministry".And no nasty divorce as you put it but an obvious dignified exit. My point was that after surrendering your life to a ministry that you were convinced was the only true path to heaven, it would had to of been a tough decision to leave it.
You may be convinced it was an easy choice for her to just step aside, but I suspect she had a few sleepless nights mulling it over.
I have no arguments with her reasons or sincerity, but divorcing yourself from something you loved and devoted your life to had to of been an unpleasant decision.
She said she was stepping aside from the ministry, but if the ministry is wrong, how could the church be right? There's no real dignified way to condemn a ministry. So once again a judgement. Did I say I was convinced it was an easy choice for her to step aside? No, I didn't say it and I don't think it for one minute. I read posts carefully. She said "after much prayer,......... sadly I feel I must step aside". The ministry over there had become undignified, not the person standing aside.
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Post by fixit on Mar 21, 2024 3:38:42 GMT -5
People in general, who have been abused are not interested in Jesus talk. They have to deal with reality. In effect, such talk is being in league with the perpetrator because its what a perpetrator wants. When a Jesus talk person tells the victim to forgive the Jesus talk abuser.....it's adding a potentially impossible burden on the victim. Matt 23: 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others, but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them.
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 8:46:10 GMT -5
People in general, who have been abused are not interested in Jesus talk. They have to deal with reality. In effect, such talk is being in league with the perpetrator because its what a perpetrator wants. When a Jesus talk person tells the victim to forgive the Jesus talk abuser.....it's adding a potentially impossible burden on the victim. Matt 23: 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others, but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them. Matthew 6:14-15 for ALL situation! Did Jesus say except for CSA abusers? You can’t forgive them. No, Jesus didn’t say that. These instructions are for Jesus followers to follow and obey. If you are NOT True believers you can do whatever you want. Like I posted on my website in the year 2000 go to the authority! And report it to them because the overseers wanted to sweep it under the carpet to save the truth shame and reputation. So, they silence the victims stories from been heard. The victims want to bring the abusers to justice and to stop them from abusing more victims, but the overseers don’t see or understand that.
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Post by Dan on Mar 21, 2024 11:27:37 GMT -5
My point was that after surrendering your life to a ministry that you were convinced was the only true path to heaven, it would had to of been a tough decision to leave it. You may be convinced it was an easy choice for her to just step aside, but I suspect she had a few sleepless nights mulling it over. I have no arguments with her reasons or sincerity, but divorcing yourself from something you loved and devoted your life to had to of been an unpleasant decision. She said she was stepping aside from the ministry, but if the ministry is wrong, how could the church be right? There's no real dignified way to condemn a ministry. So if you were in Judy's position would you choose to remain a part of a ministry that supports the pedophiles and continually ignores the victims of child sexual abuse and other forms of abuse?
If I believed it was the only correct ministry and the only path to heaven, no I would not step aside.. The disciples didn't step aside when Judas screwed-up, they didn't step aside when Peter denied knowing Christ, and they didn't desert the faith when Paul was brought in. If I were convinced that I was in the only correct Way, you couldn't pull me out no matter how many stumbling blocks failed to tow the line. I'd personally work to correct the trouble makers and correct the problem, and I'd probably get kicked out, but I'd never abandon it voluntarily.. But of course, I don't believe its the only correct way or the only path to heaven, so I reckon my opinion is moot. But if a Worker is convinced that the Truth is the only Path to heaven, then they aren't just walking away from the ministry, they're losing out on salvation. Scheller obviously has had a change of heart, she hasn't abandoned her faith in Christ, but has obviously surrendered her allegiance to the ministry.
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Post by xna on Mar 21, 2024 11:36:14 GMT -5
So if you were in Judy's position would you choose to remain a part of a ministry that supports the pedophiles and continually ignores the victims of child sexual abuse and other forms of abuse?
If I believed it was the only correct ministry and the only path to heaven, no I would not step aside.. The disciples didn't step aside when Judas screwed-up, they didn't step aside when Peter denied knowing Christ, and they didn't desert the faith when Paul was brought in. If I were convinced that I was in the only correct Way, you couldn't pull me out no matter how many stumbling blocks failed to tow the line. I'd personally work to correct the trouble makers and correct the problem, and I'd probably get kicked out, but I'd never abandon it voluntarily.. But of course, I don't believe its the only correct way or the only path to heaven, so I reckon my opinion is moot. But if a Worker is convinced that the Truth is the only Path to heaven, then they aren't just walking away from the ministry, they're losing out on salvation. Scheller obviously has had a change of heart, she hasn't abandoned her faith in Christ, but has obviously surrendered her allegiance to the ministry.
Some followers never leave - no matter what. ex); Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, ....
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 12:35:06 GMT -5
So if you were in Judy's position would you choose to remain a part of a ministry that supports the pedophiles and continually ignores the victims of child sexual abuse and other forms of abuse?
If I believed it was the only correct ministry and the only path to heaven, no I would not step aside.. The disciples didn't step aside when Judas screwed-up, they didn't step aside when Peter denied knowing Christ, and they didn't desert the faith when Paul was brought in.
If I were convinced that I was in the only correct Way, you couldn't pull me out no matter how many stumbling blocks failed to toe the line. I'd personally work to correct the trouble makers and correct the problem, and I'd probably get kicked out, but I'd never abandon it voluntarily..
But of course, I don't believe its the only correct way or the only path to heaven, so I reckon my opinion is moot. But if a Worker is convinced that the Truth is the only Path to heaven, then they aren't just walking away from the ministry, they're losing out on salvation. Scheller obviously has had a change of heart, she hasn't abandoned her faith in Christ, but has obviously surrendered her allegiance to the ministry.
Time will tell, where Judy is…. Continue as a 2x2 or become an Ex-2x2. I admire Judy and a few other workers in the year 2000 standing up for the friends victims of CSA. Some of us friends and workers were doing the same thing as Judy! Going against the waves 🌊 of Tsunami. I just pray 🙏 Judy will NOT get too discourage and leave the 2x2s because of our overseers are so slow in doing what is right for the 2x2 victims.
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 12:50:18 GMT -5
If I believed it was the only correct ministry and the only path to heaven, no I would not step aside.. The disciples didn't step aside when Judas screwed-up, they didn't step aside when Peter denied knowing Christ, and they didn't desert the faith when Paul was brought in. If I were convinced that I was in the only correct Way, you couldn't pull me out no matter how many stumbling blocks failed to tow the line. I'd personally work to correct the trouble makers and correct the problem, and I'd probably get kicked out, but I'd never abandon it voluntarily.. But of course, I don't believe its the only correct way or the only path to heaven, so I reckon my opinion is moot. But if a Worker is convinced that the Truth is the only Path to heaven, then they aren't just walking away from the ministry, they're losing out on salvation. Scheller obviously has had a change of heart, she hasn't abandoned her faith in Christ, but has obviously surrendered her allegiance to the ministry.
Some followers never leave - no matter what. ex); Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, .... Many disciples of Jesus left him because of NOT understanding his doctrines bread and wine eating my flesh and drinking my blood 🩸 ye shall NOT be Saved. They got offended and discontinue as His followers! Jesus turned to the 12 apostles, Will you go away also? Peter spoke up To whom shall we go? Thou has the words of Eternal life. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and life no man comes to the Father but through me! There is ONLY ONE BRIGHT from earth 🌏 to heaven🪐. There is no Salvation offer in anyone beside Jesus Christ.
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Post by xna on Mar 21, 2024 13:06:04 GMT -5
Some followers never leave - no matter what. ex); Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, .... Many disciples of Jesus left him because of NOT understanding his doctrines eating my flesh and drinking my blood 🩸 ye shall NOT be Saved. They got offended and discontinue as His followers!
Jesus turned to the 12 apostles, Will you go away also? Peter spoke up To whom shall we go? Thou has the words of Eternal life.
Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and life no man comes to the Father but through me! There is ONLY ONE BRIGHT from earth 🌏 to heaven🪐. There is no Salvation offer in anyone beside Jesus Christ.Here is what I read about Jim Jones; As the leader of the Peoples Temple, Jones demanded absolute loyalty and obedience from his followers, and he often preached that leaving the group or disobeying his commands would lead to dire consequences.Here is what I read about David Koresh: Koresh believed strongly in his own role and teachings, he was the "only way" in an exclusive sense.Here is what I read about Marshall Applewhite:Applewhite believed that he and Nettles were the only way to achieve salvation or transcendence to a higher state of being. He taught his followers that they needed to follow him and Nettles in order to reach a higher level of existence.
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 13:23:50 GMT -5
Many disciples of Jesus left him because of NOT understanding his doctrines eating my flesh and drinking my blood 🩸 ye shall NOT be Saved. They got offended and discontinue as His followers!
Jesus turned to the 12 apostles, Will you go away also? Peter spoke up To whom shall we go? Thou has the words of Eternal life.
Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and life no man comes to the Father but through me! There is ONLY ONE BRIGHT from earth 🌏 to heaven🪐. There is no Salvation offer in anyone beside Jesus Christ. Here is what I read about Jim Jones; As the leader of the Peoples Temple, Jones demanded absolute loyalty and obedience from his followers, and he often preached that leaving the group or disobeying his commands would lead to dire consequences.Here is what I read about David Koresh: Koresh believed strongly in his own role and teachings, he was the "only way" in an exclusive sense.Here is what I read about Marshall Applewhite:Applewhite believed that he and Nettles were the only way to achieve salvation or transcendence to a higher state of being. He taught his followers that they needed to follow him and Nettles in order to reach a higher level of existence.Well, Jesus said if the blind leaders lead the blind followers both shall fall into the Ditch. Jesus conquered death so, the New Test. Believers souls go straight to heaven after they died. These 3 leaders didn’t follow Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. Jesus told what happened to leaders like these 3 men and their followers will end up Read Matthew 7:21-28.
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Post by fixit on Mar 21, 2024 13:43:23 GMT -5
Here is what I read about Jim Jones; As the leader of the Peoples Temple, Jones demanded absolute loyalty and obedience from his followers, and he often preached that leaving the group or disobeying his commands would lead to dire consequences.Here is what I read about David Koresh: Koresh believed strongly in his own role and teachings, he was the "only way" in an exclusive sense.Here is what I read about Marshall Applewhite:Applewhite believed that he and Nettles were the only way to achieve salvation or transcendence to a higher state of being. He taught his followers that they needed to follow him and Nettles in order to reach a higher level of existence.Well, Jesus said if the blind leaders lead the blind followers both shall fall into the Ditch. Jesus conquered death so, the New Test. Believers souls go straight to heaven after they died. These 3 leaders didn’t follow Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. Jesus told what happened to leaders like these 3 men and their followers will end up Read Matthew 7:21-28. These 3 leaders didn’t follow Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. Jesus told what happened to leaders like these 3 men and their followers will end up Read Matthew 7:21-28.
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Post by xna on Mar 21, 2024 13:50:26 GMT -5
Well, Jesus said if the blind leaders lead the blind followers both shall fall into the Ditch. Jesus conquered death so, the New Test. Believers souls go straight to heaven after they died. These 3 leaders didn’t follow Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. Jesus told what happened to leaders like these 3 men and their followers will end up Read Matthew 7:21-28. These 3 leaders didn’t follow Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. Jesus told what happened to leaders like these 3 men and their followers will end up Read Matthew 7:21-28. I read " David Koresh was a Christian" I read "Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a Christian church" I read " Marshall Applewhite's belief system was heavily influenced by science fiction, New Age philosophy, and Christianity"
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Post by fixit on Mar 21, 2024 13:51:57 GMT -5
These 3 leaders didn’t follow Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. Jesus told what happened to leaders like these 3 men and their followers will end up Read Matthew 7:21-28. I read " David Koresh was a Christian" I read "Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a Christian church" I read " Marshall Applewhite's belief system was heavily influenced by science fiction, New Age philosophy, and Christianity" Do you think they followed Jesus Christ?
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Post by xna on Mar 21, 2024 14:01:49 GMT -5
I read " David Koresh was a Christian" I read "Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a Christian church" I read " Marshall Applewhite's belief system was heavily influenced by science fiction, New Age philosophy, and Christianity" Do you think they followed Jesus Christ?
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 14:02:25 GMT -5
These 3 leaders didn’t follow Jesus Christ 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry. Jesus told what happened to leaders like these 3 men and their followers will end up Read Matthew 7:21-28. I read " David Koresh was a Christian" I read "Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a Christian church" I read " Marshall Applewhite's belief system was heavily influenced by science fiction, New Age philosophy, and Christianity" But NOT the like Christians like we read in the gospels and in the book of Acts Like Jesus warned us about in Matthew 7:13-20. By their 🍎 you shall KNOW them. Those 3 men didn’t act like Jesus. The same things with the current overseers Adm. they must change their CSA Policy toward the victims.
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Post by nathan2 on Mar 21, 2024 14:03:43 GMT -5
I read " David Koresh was a Christian" I read "Jim Jones Peoples Temple was a Christian church" I read " Marshall Applewhite's belief system was heavily influenced by science fiction, New Age philosophy, and Christianity" Do you think they followed Jesus Christ? Nope! NOT according to Jesus Christ New Test. 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship teachings. Read what Jesus said where they and their followers end up! Matthew 7:13-28. Jesus said by their fruits 🍎 you shall KNOW them.
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Post by xna on Mar 21, 2024 14:09:56 GMT -5
Do you think they followed Jesus Christ? Nope! NOT according to Jesus Christ New Test. 2x2 apostolic ministry and fellowship. The followers of those three cults ended in untimely deaths. whereas; According to Christian traditions..... Simon Peter: crucified upside down . Andrew: crucified in Greece on an X-shaped cross James: executed by Herod Agrippa John: may have faced martyrdom. Philip: martyred by being crucified upside down. Bartholomew: flayed alive or crucified. Thomas: martyred by being stabbed with a spear. Matthew: martyred in Ethiopia or Persia. James, son of Alphaeus: stoned or beaten to death. Simon the Zealot: may have been martyred.
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