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Post by fixit on May 24, 2024 22:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on May 24, 2024 23:47:39 GMT -5
That's no different to American kids attending summer bible camp. Muslims are no different to christians and jews. Both preach hate, hellfire and damnation when it suits them. It's the Abrahamic religion way. They are religions of entitlement and self justification. Who do they teach to kill in summer bible camps?
Exactly, the comparison is ridiculous.... The Quran itself preaches violence against nonbelievers; Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims)" Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" Compare that with "Love your enemies.. Pray for your enemies" (Matthew 6:43-45). There's obviously a huge difference between Christianity and Islam, no bible camp teaches that the only good Jew is a dead Jew!
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2024 1:04:42 GMT -5
Who do they teach to kill in summer bible camps? Exactly, the comparison is ridiculous.... The Quran itself preaches violence against nonbelievers; Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims)" Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" Compare that with "Love your enemies.. Pray for your enemies" (Matthew 6:43-45). There's obviously a huge difference between Christianity and Islam, no bible camp teaches that the only good Jew is a dead Jew!
How do you know what they teach in summer camps? It doesn't matter whether they explicitly advise killing or not -- they teach hate, and that's all it takes. Not all of them, of course. Watch the movie and tell us if you agree with it. |
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Post by xna on May 25, 2024 7:41:16 GMT -5
Who controlled Australia the longest? I don't know but I suspect it was one of the group who's bones have been found as far back as 65,000 years ago. I don't know what name they called themselves. |
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2024 15:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by xna on May 25, 2024 17:22:23 GMT -5
I downloaded this very short paper which hit the news services today. The paper has not been peer reviewed. What I noticed: It's Not a current picture. It does not describe the current situation. Their data was from Jan to April which is 2 months old. Small sample size. The paper only looked at 2 Gaza crossing; Kerem Shalom and Nitzan. But Gaza has not 2, but 7 crossings. As of today the main Rafah crossing remains shut as Gaza food aid rots
No info on food to the people, only shipmentsIt did not address food distribution, only shipments into Gaza from just 2 of the 7 crossings. The report is contradicted by non bias sources.This paper is contradicted six days later, on May 6th by the head of the United Nations World Food Program saying; there’s ‘full-blown famine’ in northern Gaza. Contrary to Israels stated plan Israeli officials have made public statements expressing their aim to deprive civilians in Gaza of food, water, and fuel these statements reflect the Israeli forces’ military operations plan. Suspected reporting bias The report was produced by an Israeli government division - COGAT. Which would most likely have an inherit bias.
My Conclusion:I would say this Israeli government document is most likely counter Israeli war propaganda, produced to counter the many stories in the press. The US has also pressed Israel to do more to get aid delivered to Gaza, where it says; "the entire population is suffering severe levels of acute food insecurity". Israel has also recently been charged with war the crime of using starvation as Weapon of War in Gaza. JMT |
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2024 22:36:50 GMT -5
In case anyone thinks military action in Rafah is not necessary...
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Post by xna on May 26, 2024 9:24:14 GMT -5
In case anyone thinks military action in Rafah is not necessary... I'm not surprised they try to tunnel any place they can to get out of Gaza. That whole region is a mess. US sends billions to both Egypt and Israel. The USA winners are the arms suppliers. An Israeli once told me they support "peace talks" but not "peace", because; if peace breaks out, then US money might stop, and their holy books says the Arabs are their "forever enemies". Peace talks is the "cash cow" in the middle east. I suspect the Arabs feel the same way. Even if the IDF kills everyone in Gaza I don't think the fighting will stop. If the US cuts all aid to Egypt and Israel (about 5 billion annually) then things might slow down. FOX News is embedded with the IDF, so there is a pro-Israel bias with FOX news stories about GAZA. SPME has been criticized for their bias.
From Chat-GPT about Scholars for Peace in the Middle East (SPME).
"Pro-Israel Bias: Critics argue that SPME has a strong pro-Israel bias, which can lead to an unbalanced perspective on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This bias is seen in the organization's frequent defense of Israeli policies and its emphasis on combating anti-Israel sentiment, often equating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism (SPME) (Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs).
Polarization of Academic Discourse: SPME's focus on countering what it views as anti-Israel propaganda can contribute to the polarization of academic discourse. Critics claim that the organization sometimes dismisses legitimate criticisms of Israeli policies as inherently biased or anti-Semitic, thereby stifling open academic debate on the Middle East conflict (SPME).
Allegations of Intolerance: There are accusations that SPME may be intolerant of differing viewpoints, particularly those critical of Israeli government actions. This has led to concerns that the organization undermines academic freedom by pressuring scholars to conform to a particular narrative (Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs).
Lack of Focus on Palestinian Issues: Some detractors believe that SPME pays insufficient attention to the plight and rights of Palestinians, focusing predominantly on defending Israel. This focus is seen as contributing to a one-sided narrative that overlooks the complexities of the conflict and the legitimate grievances of the Palestinian people (SPME)." |
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Post by snow on May 26, 2024 12:27:06 GMT -5
I didn't go to the youtube page where the comments were. I just went and the comments were interesting to say the least. My question to fixit was, do you think that the Palestinians interpret the land given to the Jews in the same way. Yes they fought and instead of the original partition of 56% to the Jews from the UK partition they ended up with 77% after the wars. If they didn't agree with the land partition that the UK did in 1948 I'm sure that losing even more land has never been viewed as right for them. They saw the settling of Jews on their land as an European colonization and yes they fought it. History hasn't favored them and wrong or right, they don't see it as right. And in the end, that's what matters, because it's what has caused the never ending conflicts between them. Also, religion has definitely helped keep the wars going. If both sides believe that land is given to them by their God then it can't be resolved in a normal way. Yasser Arafat did a lot to establish a "Palestinian" cause. Under the British mandate residents of Palestine were known as Arab Palestinians or Jewish Palestinians. Most of Mandate Palestine was given to the Arabs and became the Kingdom of Jordan. Then the remainder was split between the Arab and Jewish residents, with the best of the land offered to the Arabs. Yasser Arafat's father battled in the Egyptian courts for 25 years to claim family land in Egypt as part of his inheritance but was unsuccessful. How would you feel about giving your land back to the Native Americans who your ancestors stole it from?  Then you understand why Palestinians are so hostile towards Israel because they do view Israel as taking land that was once theirs. It would be nice if the past could be laid to rest and both sides just accept that what happened, happened and live with it, but again, when you have both of them claiming God gave them the right to live on the same piece of land, you will never see that happen. |
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Post by snow on May 26, 2024 12:29:50 GMT -5
I didn't go to the youtube page where the comments were. I just went and the comments were interesting to say the least. He is trying to get views to buildup his tour guide business. It's working as he has 9,828 comments. He is being provocative to get views and hits. Most people who take these tours are Christian and already support Israel. To be a tour guide in Israel, you must be certified by the Israeli Ministry of Tourism, so there training reflects the Israel position. The tours are not "fair and balanced" history. For example you don't hear on these tours that Arabs have occupied Jerusalem longer than Jews. Arabs are always the bad guys on these tours. That's the thing isn't it. Christians believe that the Jews own this land because of what the bible says. But in reality the Hebrews were 12 small tribes that occupied a very small portion of the land and some tribes were even nomadic so really didn't claim any of it. This will never be solved as long as both sides feel the God given right to be on the same piece of land. |
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Post by snow on May 26, 2024 13:07:49 GMT -5
Exactly, the comparison is ridiculous.... The Quran itself preaches violence against nonbelievers; Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims)" Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" Compare that with "Love your enemies.. Pray for your enemies" (Matthew 6:43-45). There's obviously a huge difference between Christianity and Islam, no bible camp teaches that the only good Jew is a dead Jew!
How do you know what they teach in summer camps? It doesn't matter whether they explicitly advise killing or not -- they teach hate, and that's all it takes. Not all of them, of course. Watch the movie and tell us if you agree with it. Christian Nationalists have taken a long time grooming kids in camps like Jesus Camp to become people with positions in power. The Family by Jeff Sharlet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_The_Secret_Fundamentalism_at_the_Heart_of_American_Power outlines very well what they've been doing for decades and we are now seeing the outcome of that in the Supreme Court. Christians think that they should have complete say over what gets taught, how people should live etc in the US. Since it is a very diverse country they needed powerful people in top positions in order to make this happen. Christianity is all about forcing others to live under their belief system. We've seen it before in the history of Christianity an example being the inquisition. I don't think it will be that successful this time in the US, but you can bet there is going to be more bloodshed happening while the attempt is being made. |
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Post by Dan on May 26, 2024 14:52:00 GMT -5
That's the thing isn't it. Christians believe that the Jews own this land because of what the bible says. But in reality the Hebrews were 12 small tribes that occupied a very small portion of the land and some tribes were even nomadic so really didn't claim any of it. This will never be solved as long as both sides feel the God given right to be on the same piece of land.
From a prophetic pov, its been resolved. The Jews were gathered for a final time to occupy the promised land and they will never relinquish Israel again. They will be constantly attacked and come close to being defeated, but never surrender their land again.. People want evidence, this fulfilled prophecy is a wake-up call.
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Post by fixit on May 26, 2024 15:03:42 GMT -5
But in reality the Hebrews were 12 small tribes that occupied a very small portion of the land and some tribes were even nomadic so really didn't claim any of it. This will never be solved as long as both sides feel the God given right to be on the same piece of land. It's not quite that simple. It wasn't only observant Jews who Nazis decided to kill - it was an entire culture. Many Jews are secular but anti-Semites hate them just as much as they hate religious Jews. Many Jews went to Palestine because they had nowhere else to go, and that includes nearly a million Jews who were expelled from Muslim countries in which they had been living for two and a half thousand years. From Who is a Jew?"Who is a Jew?" is a basic question about Jewish identity and considerations of Jewish self-identification. The question pertains to ideas about Jewish personhood, which have cultural, ethnic, religious, political, genealogical, and personal dimensions. |
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Post by snow on May 26, 2024 15:05:21 GMT -5
That's the thing isn't it. Christians believe that the Jews own this land because of what the bible says. But in reality the Hebrews were 12 small tribes that occupied a very small portion of the land and some tribes were even nomadic so really didn't claim any of it. This will never be solved as long as both sides feel the God given right to be on the same piece of land. From a prophetic pov, its been resolved. The Jews were gathered for a final time to occupy the promised land and they will never relinquish Israel again. They will be constantly attacked and come close to being defeated, but never surrender their land again.. People want evidence, this fulfilled prophecy is a wake-up call.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. I guess there is no peace solution then and Israel just has to accept the hostilities as God's will. I think the wake up call should be 'people, religious beliefs are dangerous and not conducive to a peaceful resolution'. I thought the video that xna posted was quite interesting and basically what I've been saying for a long time. The Hebrew people never solely 'owned' that land. They took pieces of it from time to time and lost it more often then not. Arabs have actually ruled for a longer period of time in the area based on the timeline of the take overs from many other nations/groups. |
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Post by snow on May 26, 2024 15:14:53 GMT -5
But in reality the Hebrews were 12 small tribes that occupied a very small portion of the land and some tribes were even nomadic so really didn't claim any of it. This will never be solved as long as both sides feel the God given right to be on the same piece of land. It's not quite that simple. It wasn't only observant Jews who Nazis decided to kill - it was an entire culture. Many Jews are secular but anti-Semites hate them just as much as they hate religious Jews. Many Jews went to Palestine because they had nowhere else to go, and that includes nearly a million Jews who were expelled from Muslim countries in which they had been living for two and a half thousand years. From Who is a Jew?"Who is a Jew?" is a basic question about Jewish identity and considerations of Jewish self-identification. The question pertains to ideas about Jewish personhood, which have cultural, ethnic, religious, political, genealogical, and personal dimensions. It's an ethnicity and yes it's cultural. Hitler was known to view Jews as the killers of Christ. So whether they were secular or not he didn't care. Hitler had the blessing of the arch bishop of the RCC and the Pope at the time to get rid of the Jews. So whether the Jew was secular or religious it didn't matter. The dangerous religious belief involved in the holocaust was the Christian one and that was that the Jews killed Christ so they needed to die for what they did. Still religious based genocide. Now here we are in the present where two religions are fighting over a piece of land that they both claim was given to them by God. |
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Post by BobWilliston on May 27, 2024 0:46:11 GMT -5
How do you know what they teach in summer camps? It doesn't matter whether they explicitly advise killing or not -- they teach hate, and that's all it takes. Not all of them, of course. Watch the movie and tell us if you agree with it. Christian Nationalists have taken a long time grooming kids in camps like Jesus Camp to become people with positions in power. The Family by Jeff Sharlet en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family:_The_Secret_Fundamentalism_at_the_Heart_of_American_Power outlines very well what they've been doing for decades and we are now seeing the outcome of that in the Supreme Court. Christians think that they should have complete say over what gets taught, how people should live etc in the US. Since it is a very diverse country they needed powerful people in top positions in order to make this happen. Christianity is all about forcing others to live under their belief system. We've seen it before in the history of Christianity an example being the inquisition. I don't think it will be that successful this time in the US, but you can bet there is going to be more bloodshed happening while the attempt is being made. It's been a slow moving coup -- many decades in the making. There are very very few pieces left to be put in place for this to happen. November is coming!!! |
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Post by snow on May 28, 2024 15:34:51 GMT -5
I thought this was an interesting couple of interviews. One is a human rights scholar and the other is a retired Israeli army person. Killing a lot of one ethnic group isn't genocide if there was no intent for genocide? Anyone can say they never intended to kill everyone, it's tragic, but it just happened. That is the position of the retired soldier.
The Israeli army said it would be a ground maneuver in Rafah and then they did an air strike. Exactly what no one wanted to see. Now they are saying 'how could it have gone wrong?' Everyone was telling them it would not be a good idea so they have no excuse imo.
The first 6 minutes of this one talks about the Rafah air strike. This news station is out of India so gives a perspective that isn't from the West.
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2024 0:57:38 GMT -5
The first 6 minutes of this one talks about the Rafah air strike. This news station is out of India so gives a perspective that isn't from the West.
The problem is that Israel is taking way to long.. They need to go in strong, hit Rafah with everything they got and end this thing. This lingering procrastination is giving the world a chance to protest and threaten Israel. I guess getting the Palestinians out of Rafah is the delay, but the Israelis need to expedite the process and then level what remains of Hamas. Game over.
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Post by snow on May 29, 2024 13:37:44 GMT -5
The first 6 minutes of this one talks about the Rafah air strike. This news station is out of India so gives a perspective that isn't from the West. The problem is that Israel is taking way to long.. They need to go in strong, hit Rafah with everything they got and end this thing. This lingering procrastination is giving the world a chance to protest and threaten Israel. I guess getting the Palestinians out of Rafah is the delay, but the Israelis need to expedite the process and then level what remains of Hamas. Game over.
As much as I would love to see the end of Hamas, I don't believe that will ever happen. It's a no win predicament that Israel is in. The more they do this, the more they continue to build their enemy base. They are losing the support of the world and at the same time the surrounding countries are becoming increasingly more hostile and in sympathy with the what the Palestinians are going through. That is not good. |
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Post by xna on May 29, 2024 15:57:20 GMT -5
As much as I would love to see the end of Hamas, I don't believe that will ever happen. It's a no win predicament that Israel is in. The more they do this, the more they continue to build their enemy base. They are losing the support of the world and at the same time the surrounding countries are becoming increasingly more hostile and in sympathy with the what the Palestinians are going through. That is not good. The Israelis know they can't eliminate all of Hamas, but they want to hit back as long as they can. The Israelis have tried to eliminate other such groups in the past, only to see they reorganized under a new name. The same will happen with Hamas.
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From Chat-GPT
Several terrorist groups in the Middle East have reorganized under new names over the years, often as a strategy to evade detection, gain new support, or rebrand their ideological stance. Here are some notable examples:
ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria):
Previous Names: Before becoming widely known as ISIS, the group operated under various names including:
Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (JTJ)
Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)
Islamic State of Iraq (ISI)
Reorganization: The group rebranded as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/ISIS) in 2013, and later as the Islamic State (IS) when it declared a caliphate in 2014.
Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP):
Previous Names: AQAP formed as a merger between Al-Qaeda in Yemen and Al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia.
Reorganization: This merger was officially announced in 2009, bringing together operatives from both branches to form a more cohesive and formidable organization.
Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM):
Previous Names: AQIM originated from the Algerian militant group known as the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC).
Reorganization: It rebranded itself as AQIM in 2007 to align more closely with the global Al-Qaeda network.
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Post by snow on Jun 1, 2024 14:56:01 GMT -5
I like this news station because it focuses more on the affairs of that continent. The first part of this news is on how Israel has taken soldiers and tanks into the Philadelphia Corridor which is the border between Gaza and Egypt. This is supposed to be a non-military zone. It will be interesting to see how Egypt responds. Israel says it's because of Hamas bringing weapons across out of Egypt but Egypt denies this. So what is next? How will Egypt react.
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Post by Dan on Jun 1, 2024 16:48:10 GMT -5
I like this news station because it focuses more on the affairs of that continent. The first part of this news is on how Israel has taken soldiers and tanks into the Philadelphia Corridor which is the border between Gaza and Egypt. This is supposed to be a non-military zone. It will be interesting to see how Egypt responds. Israel says it's because of Hamas bringing weapons across out of Egypt but Egypt denies this. So what is next? How will Egypt react.
If Hamas is funneling weapons across that nonmilitary zone, then its Egypt who's in violation of that treaty.
The war would be over by now if Israel could flood those tunnels, but not knowing where the hostages are prevents it. Biden withheld the 2 ton bombs that would collapse the tunnels in designated areas. Good to see Palestinians finally leaving Rafah. That is a pretty unbiased source of news from India, we have none of our own.
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Post by snow on Jun 1, 2024 16:55:41 GMT -5
I like this news station because it focuses more on the affairs of that continent. The first part of this news is on how Israel has taken soldiers and tanks into the Philadelphia Corridor which is the border between Gaza and Egypt. This is supposed to be a non-military zone. It will be interesting to see how Egypt responds. Israel says it's because of Hamas bringing weapons across out of Egypt but Egypt denies this. So what is next? How will Egypt react. If Hamas is funneling weapons across that nonmilitary zone, then its Egypt who's in violation of that treaty.
The war would be over by now if Israel could flood those tunnels, but not knowing where the hostages are prevents it. Biden withheld the 2 ton bombs that would collapse the tunnels in designated areas. Good to see Palestinians finally leaving Rafah. That is a pretty unbiased source of news from India, we have none of our own.
You don't have proof that Egypt is giving Hamas weapons. One more thing that Netanyahu is saying to justify what he's doing. Also, where are the refugees in Rafah supposed to go. There is no where that's safe for citizens. But then anything to make a biblical prophecy come true is justified. Who cares how many are killed in the process. Religious beliefs are killing thousands. Muslim Jewish and Christian beliefs. |
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Post by Dan on Jun 1, 2024 17:48:42 GMT -5
If Hamas is funneling weapons across that nonmilitary zone, then its Egypt who's in violation of that treaty.
The war would be over by now if Israel could flood those tunnels, but not knowing where the hostages are prevents it. Biden withheld the 2 ton bombs that would collapse the tunnels in designated areas. Good to see Palestinians finally leaving Rafah. That is a pretty unbiased source of news from India, we have none of our own.
You don't have proof that Egypt is giving Hamas weapons. One more thing that Netanyahu is saying to justify what he's doing. Also, where are the refugees in Rafah supposed to go. There is no where that's safe for citizens. But then anything to make a biblical prophecy come true is justified. Who cares how many are killed in the process. Religious beliefs are killing thousands. Muslim Jewish and Christian beliefs. I didn't say Egypt was arming Hamas (Iran is). But if Egypt is allowing arms to cross that Philadelphia Corridor, then they are in violation of the agreement. There's no where that isn't war torn for the refugees to go, but they need to flee where the fighting is the most tense (Rafah). Your perception is correct, I have little sympathy for people who support and cheer-on terrorist (children aside). They wanted to fight, they wanted dead Jews, they started a war and now complain about the repercussions? They had to of known what would befall them when they cheered-on the torture and murder of 1300 unarmed Israelis. Hamas is pure unadulterated evil, those who harbor, protect, and support them aren't much better. Take religion out of the picture, who attacked who first and would they ever stop? No, so what's happening now needs to be done. War is hell. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 1, 2024 17:58:22 GMT -5
You don't have proof that Egypt is giving Hamas weapons. One more thing that Netanyahu is saying to justify what he's doing. Also, where are the refugees in Rafah supposed to go. There is no where that's safe for citizens. But then anything to make a biblical prophecy come true is justified. Who cares how many are killed in the process. Religious beliefs are killing thousands. Muslim Jewish and Christian beliefs. I didn't say Egypt was arming Hamas (Iran is). But if Egypt is allowing arms to cross that Philadelphia Corridor, then they are in violation of the agreement. There's no where that isn't war torn for the refugees to go, but they need to flee where the fighting is the most tense (Rafah). Your perception is correct, I have little sympathy for people who support and cheer-on terrorist (children aside). They wanted to fight, they wanted dead Jews, they started a war and now complain about the repercussions? They had to of known what would befall them when they cheered-on the torture and murder of 1300 unarmed Israelis. Hamas is pure unadulterated evil, those who harbor, protect, and support them aren't much better. Take religion out of the picture, who attacked who first and would they ever stop? No, so what's happening now needs to be done. War is hell. The war started along time before October 2023. Try 1947 when the UN wrongly gave away Palestinian land because of a stupid myth. |
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Post by Dan on Jun 1, 2024 18:11:14 GMT -5
I didn't say Egypt was arming Hamas (Iran is). But if Egypt is allowing arms to cross that Philadelphia Corridor, then they are in violation of the agreement. There's no where that isn't war torn for the refugees to go, but they need to flee where the fighting is the most tense (Rafah). Your perception is correct, I have little sympathy for people who support and cheer-on terrorist (children aside). They wanted to fight, they wanted dead Jews, they started a war and now complain about the repercussions? They had to of known what would befall them when they cheered-on the torture and murder of 1300 unarmed Israelis. Hamas is pure unadulterated evil, those who harbor, protect, and support them aren't much better. Take religion out of the picture, who attacked who first and would they ever stop? No, so what's happening now needs to be done. War is hell. The war started along time before October 2023. Try 1947 when the UN wrongly gave away Palestinian land because of a stupid myth. The UN didn't give anyone anything, they just went along with what Israel already did, taking back their homeland via war. Same right now, the UN is demanding a cease fire, but Israel doesn't give a sh1t  ... Score; Israel 2 United Nations zip.
It was prophesied and it came to pass, that kind of knocks your so-called 'myth' out of the water. A myth is stupid until its literally validated, then it has credibility and should be re-evaluated by any prudent person.. I know, just a coincidence eh?
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Post by snow on Jun 2, 2024 15:27:06 GMT -5
You don't have proof that Egypt is giving Hamas weapons. One more thing that Netanyahu is saying to justify what he's doing. Also, where are the refugees in Rafah supposed to go. There is no where that's safe for citizens. But then anything to make a biblical prophecy come true is justified. Who cares how many are killed in the process. Religious beliefs are killing thousands. Muslim Jewish and Christian beliefs. I didn't say Egypt was arming Hamas (Iran is). But if Egypt is allowing arms to cross that Philadelphia Corridor, then they are in violation of the agreement. There's no where that isn't war torn for the refugees to go, but they need to flee where the fighting is the most tense (Rafah). Your perception is correct, I have little sympathy for people who support and cheer-on terrorist (children aside). They wanted to fight, they wanted dead Jews, they started a war and now complain about the repercussions? They had to of known what would befall them when they cheered-on the torture and murder of 1300 unarmed Israelis. Hamas is pure unadulterated evil, those who harbor, protect, and support them aren't much better. Take religion out of the picture, who attacked who first and would they ever stop? No, so what's happening now needs to be done. War is hell. I see it differently, obviously, but I don't think the civilians of Palestine had anything to do with the Hamas capture of Jewish hostages and couldn't have prevented it. So I don't see that they are cheering Hamas on. They are just as much hostages of Hamas as the Jewish hostages. They move one place that gets totally destroyed and then where they go gets bombed and they have to move again. This just keeps happening. There is no safe place to go. This war that has been going on since the state of Israel was formed is based on the religious belief that both Muslims and Jews are the intended people to live on that land. The fact that land was taken from the Muslims living in the area didn't help. So we can't take religion out of the whole scenario. It's the basis and the very real reason why neither side feels they can back down. After all it's God's promise to them, both sides that the land be theirs. If Egypt is allowing weapons across then yes, they broke the agreement. Thing is they are denying it is true and whether it is or isn't really isn't the issue. What they are being accused of and denying is what will determine what they do about it. Israel already is being criticized by their staunchest supporters, how much more dangerous it is to them to start wrongfully accusing others that they had treaties with? I feel for the Israeli citizens that have the government that they have, because that government is putting their lives in grave danger. |
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Post by snow on Jun 2, 2024 15:29:46 GMT -5
The war started along time before October 2023. Try 1947 when the UN wrongly gave away Palestinian land because of a stupid myth. The UN didn't give anyone anything, they just went along with what Israel already did, taking back their homeland via war. Same right now, the UN is demanding a cease fire, but Israel doesn't give a sh1t ... Score; Israel 2 United Nations zip. It was prophesied and it came to pass, that kind of knocks your so-called 'myth' out of the water. A myth is stupid until its literally validated, then it has credibility and should be re-evaluated by any prudent person.. I know, just a coincidence eh?
If they know about the prophecy, and they make it happen, that's not a prophesy that has come to pass, it's a prophecy they made happen because it was a prophecy. |
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... Score; Israel 2 United Nations zip.