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Post by snow on May 22, 2024 13:10:14 GMT -5
I do agree it's a tough neighborhood. Hamas is a terrorist group no doubt about it and they've done horrific things to their own people. Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place as the saying goes. The Israeli government is also pretty horrific. They aren't even supported by a great number of their own people. In a lot of ways they are endangering the lives of Jews living in Israel with their hostile aggression and land grabs over the years. I feel for the Jews and Palestinians that have their lives endangered by their governing bodies. I'm sure Israel would make a lot of concessions if they had a partner for peace to negotiate with. And I'm sure the Palestinians would be far better off if they accepted Israel as a Jewish state. I'm not so sure. After all Israel has proven to be a country that when given an inch they take a mile. They have been settling on lands that were not given to them and then they blame the Palestinians for being upset about it? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2024 13:58:26 GMT -5
I wonder how Israel and USA would react if China turned up with an aid convoy in the company of a carrier group? |
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2024 15:27:04 GMT -5
I wonder how Israel and USA would react if China turned up with an aid convoy in the company of a carrier group? I wonder how China would react if the USA turned up to the Spratley Islands with a carrier group to defend Phillipine fishermen? China has a million Uyghurs in detention camps to release before they can preach to others about genocide, not to mention Tibet. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2024 15:38:50 GMT -5
I wonder how Israel and USA would react if China turned up with an aid convoy in the company of a carrier group? I wonder how China would react if the USA turned up to the Spratley Islands with a carrier group to defend Phillipine fishermen? China has a million Uyghurs in detention camps to release before they can preach to others about genocide, not to mention Tibet. Now that would be interesting around the Spratleys. Personally i think that China is a bit like Russia. Growls like a bear but the gear they have would fall apart just like their cars they sell here. |
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2024 20:35:09 GMT -5
I wonder how China would react if the USA turned up to the Spratley Islands with a carrier group to defend Phillipine fishermen? China has a million Uyghurs in detention camps to release before they can preach to others about genocide, not to mention Tibet. Now that would be interesting around the Spratleys. Personally i think that China is a bit like Russia. Growls like a bear but the gear they have would fall apart just like their cars they sell here. Are Chinese cars that bad? The first reason I wouldn't buy one is because spare parts could be a problem if we have to stop trading with China. |
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2024 20:36:55 GMT -5
I'm sure Israel would make a lot of concessions if they had a partner for peace to negotiate with. And I'm sure the Palestinians would be far better off if they accepted Israel as a Jewish state. I'm not so sure. After all Israel has proven to be a country that when given an inch they take a mile. They have been settling on lands that were not given to them and then they blame the Palestinians for being upset about it? They only settle on land the Arabs lost in wars they started. |
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2024 20:40:47 GMT -5
Here's an Arab perspective...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2024 20:56:02 GMT -5
Now that would be interesting around the Spratleys. Personally i think that China is a bit like Russia. Growls like a bear but the gear they have would fall apart just like their cars they sell here. Are Chinese cars that bad? The first reason I wouldn't buy one is because spare parts could be a problem if we have to stop trading with China. A mate bought a Sing Song people mover brand new in 2022, He has loads of wee niggles with the electronics and other bits and pieces. I wont even buy their T shirts. If we stop trading with China we wont be able to afford to buy anything. |
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2024 21:18:51 GMT -5
Are Chinese cars that bad? The first reason I wouldn't buy one is because spare parts could be a problem if we have to stop trading with China. A mate bought a Sing Song people mover brand new in 2022, He has loads of wee niggles with the electronics and other bits and pieces. I wont even buy their T shirts. If we stop trading with China we wont be able to afford to buy anything. Too bad Trump destroyed our free trade agreement. It seems he wanted us to trade with China rather than the USA. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2024 21:52:38 GMT -5
A mate bought a Sing Song people mover brand new in 2022, He has loads of wee niggles with the electronics and other bits and pieces. I wont even buy their T shirts. If we stop trading with China we wont be able to afford to buy anything. Too bad Trump destroyed our free trade agreement. It seems he wanted us to trade with China rather than the USA. That's right. To be fair we already had a huge trade with China. Much of the USA is scared of FTA's. They would show up the inefficiencies in their industries. Trump was pandering to those who want protectionism for USA industries yet they expect the rest of the world to buy their produce. The tariffs that Trump imposed on Soy beans, steel and aluminium backfired on him. |
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Post by fixit on May 23, 2024 17:13:19 GMT -5
Many of the "children" killed in Gaza are brainwashed teenaged fighters. Would you send your children to this kindergarten? If you did, you would receive US taxpayer-funded food via the United Nations as a bribe. Here's a root cause of Gaza's problems...  |
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Post by fixit on May 23, 2024 21:37:55 GMT -5
Perspective from a Muslim Arab woman raised in Israel...
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Post by xna on May 24, 2024 11:20:24 GMT -5
Many of the "children" killed in Gaza are brainwashed teenaged fighters. Would you send your children to this kindergarten? If you did, you would receive US taxpayer-funded food via the United Nations as a bribe.
Here's a root cause of Gaza's problems... The root cause is not one side or the other - it's their religion's. If you take religion out of the equation, then that part of the world gets much better. Both sides use children to promote hate of the "others". Here is a video example of Israeli children singing about IDF genocide in Gaza. They sing; " we will eliminate them all". The producer of this video says; " Our duty is to fight them like they are not humans." This video was produced and promoted by Israeli state owned TV. |
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Post by xna on May 24, 2024 11:35:25 GMT -5
Perspective from a Muslim Arab woman raised in Israel... This video is by PragerU. It was made to promote their extreme agenda. They are a talk radio show which lives on controversy. I don't buy what they are selling. From ChatGPT "PragerU is not a university, but was founded in 2009 by talk show host Dennis Prager and radio producer Allen Estrin. PragerU aims to promote conservative viewpoints.
It is a social influencer.
Critics contend that certain videos and messages from PragerU may indirectly support ideas associated with white nationalism by dismissing the significance of systemic racism and presenting a skewed version of historical and social issues. For example, some of their content has been accused of minimizing the impacts of slavery and segregation or portraying affirmative action negatively.
Supporters argue that PragerU provides a necessary counterpoint to more liberal perspectives prevalent in mainstream media and education, promoting a free exchange of ideas without endorsing extremist views"
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Post by xna on May 24, 2024 13:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 24, 2024 13:46:42 GMT -5
Many of the "children" killed in Gaza are brainwashed teenaged fighters. Would you send your children to this kindergarten? If you did, you would receive US taxpayer-funded food via the United Nations as a bribe. Here's a root cause of Gaza's problems... That's no different to American kids attending summer bible camp. Muslims are no different to christians and jews. Both preach hate, hellfire and damnation when it suits them. It's the Abrahamic religion way. They are religions of entitlement and self justification. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 24, 2024 14:19:11 GMT -5
A mate bought a Sing Song people mover brand new in 2022, He has loads of wee niggles with the electronics and other bits and pieces. I wont even buy their T shirts. If we stop trading with China we wont be able to afford to buy anything. Too bad Trump destroyed our free trade agreement. It seems he wanted us to trade with China rather than the USA. Here's some interesting perspectives on trade with China. |
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Post by snow on May 24, 2024 16:42:17 GMT -5
I wonder how Israel and USA would react if China turned up with an aid convoy in the company of a carrier group? I wonder how China would react if the USA turned up to the Spratley Islands with a carrier group to defend Phillipine fishermen? China has a million Uyghurs in detention camps to release before they can preach to others about genocide, not to mention Tibet. True, but that wouldn't stop them from getting involved with this if they thought it would benefit them somehow. If they did get involved it would be disastrous. |
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Post by snow on May 24, 2024 16:44:06 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. After all Israel has proven to be a country that when given an inch they take a mile. They have been settling on lands that were not given to them and then they blame the Palestinians for being upset about it? They only settle on land the Arabs lost in wars they started. Do you actually think that's how the Palestinians interpret that? |
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Post by xna on May 24, 2024 16:51:20 GMT -5
They only settle on land the Arabs lost in wars they started. Do you actually think that's how the Palestinians interpret that? FYI: That video has 9,828 Comments. |
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Post by snow on May 24, 2024 18:05:48 GMT -5
Do you actually think that's how the Palestinians interpret that? FYI: That video has 9,828 Comments. I didn't go to the youtube page where the comments were. I just went and the comments were interesting to say the least. My question to fixit was, do you think that the Palestinians interpret the land given to the Jews in the same way. Yes they fought and instead of the original partition of 56% to the Jews from the UK partition they ended up with 77% after the wars. If they didn't agree with the land partition that the UK did in 1948 I'm sure that losing even more land has never been viewed as right for them. They saw the settling of Jews on their land as an European colonization and yes they fought it. History hasn't favored them and wrong or right, they don't see it as right. And in the end, that's what matters, because it's what has caused the never ending conflicts between them. Also, religion has definitely helped keep the wars going. If both sides believe that land is given to them by their God then it can't be resolved in a normal way. |
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Post by fixit on May 24, 2024 18:30:45 GMT -5
FYI: That video has 9,828 Comments. I didn't go to the youtube page where the comments were. I just went and the comments were interesting to say the least. My question to fixit was, do you think that the Palestinians interpret the land given to the Jews in the same way. Yes they fought and instead of the original partition of 56% to the Jews from the UK partition they ended up with 77% after the wars. If they didn't agree with the land partition that the UK did in 1948 I'm sure that losing even more land has never been viewed as right for them. They saw the settling of Jews on their land as an European colonization and yes they fought it. History hasn't favored them and wrong or right, they don't see it as right. And in the end, that's what matters, because it's what has caused the never ending conflicts between them. Also, religion has definitely helped keep the wars going. If both sides believe that land is given to them by their God then it can't be resolved in a normal way. Yasser Arafat did a lot to establish a "Palestinian" cause. Under the British mandate residents of Palestine were known as Arab Palestinians or Jewish Palestinians. Most of Mandate Palestine was given to the Arabs and became the Kingdom of Jordan. Then the remainder was split between the Arab and Jewish residents, with the best of the land offered to the Arabs. Yasser Arafat's father battled in the Egyptian courts for 25 years to claim family land in Egypt as part of his inheritance but was unsuccessful. How would you feel about giving your land back to the Native Americans who your ancestors stole it from?  |
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Post by xna on May 24, 2024 18:52:39 GMT -5
FYI: That video has 9,828 Comments. He is trying to get views to buildup his tour guide business. It's working as he has 9,828 comments. He is being provocative to get views and hits. Most people who take these tours are Christian and already support Israel. To be a tour guide in Israel, you must be certified by the Israeli Ministry of Tourism, so there training reflects the Israel position. The tours are not "fair and balanced" history. For example you don't hear on these tours that Arabs have occupied Jerusalem longer than Jews. Arabs are always the bad guys on these tours. |
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Post by BobWilliston on May 24, 2024 19:57:57 GMT -5
Many of the "children" killed in Gaza are brainwashed teenaged fighters. Would you send your children to this kindergarten? If you did, you would receive US taxpayer-funded food via the United Nations as a bribe. Here's a root cause of Gaza's problems... That's no different to American kids attending summer bible camp. Muslims are no different to christians and jews. Both preach hate, hellfire and damnation when it suits them. It's the Abrahamic religion way. They are religions of entitlement and self justification. Exactly. Check the movie "Jesus Camp". Shameful. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 24, 2024 21:02:27 GMT -5
I didn't go to the youtube page where the comments were. I just went and the comments were interesting to say the least. My question to fixit was, do you think that the Palestinians interpret the land given to the Jews in the same way. Yes they fought and instead of the original partition of 56% to the Jews from the UK partition they ended up with 77% after the wars. If they didn't agree with the land partition that the UK did in 1948 I'm sure that losing even more land has never been viewed as right for them. They saw the settling of Jews on their land as an European colonization and yes they fought it. History hasn't favored them and wrong or right, they don't see it as right. And in the end, that's what matters, because it's what has caused the never ending conflicts between them. Also, religion has definitely helped keep the wars going. If both sides believe that land is given to them by their God then it can't be resolved in a normal way. Yasser Arafat did a lot to establish a "Palestinian" cause. Under the British mandate residents of Palestine were known as Arab Palestinians or Jewish Palestinians. Most of Mandate Palestine was given to the Arabs and became the Kingdom of Jordan. Then the remainder was split between the Arab and Jewish residents, with the best of the land offered to the Arabs. Yasser Arafat's father battled in the Egyptian courts for 25 years to claim family land in Egypt as part of his inheritance but was unsuccessful. How would you feel about giving your land back to the Native Americans who your ancestors stole it from? It's been said that the modern state of Israel is the last gasp of colonialism. If Turkey had not sided with Germany in WW1 this may not have occurred. If Hitler had not risen to power this may not have occurred. |
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Post by fixit on May 24, 2024 21:51:03 GMT -5
It's been said that the modern state of Israel is the last gasp of colonialism. If Turkey had not sided with Germany in WW1 this may not have occurred. If Hitler had not risen to power this may not have occurred. Russia has colonised vast expanses of territory and they're still trying to expand it. China also has colonised nations like the Uyghurs and Tibetans, and they would like the South China Sea and Taiwan. One really sad example of colonialism is Kurdistan. |
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Post by fixit on May 24, 2024 21:53:44 GMT -5
That's no different to American kids attending summer bible camp. Muslims are no different to christians and jews. Both preach hate, hellfire and damnation when it suits them. It's the Abrahamic religion way. They are religions of entitlement and self justification. Who do they teach to kill in summer bible camps? |
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Post by fixit on May 24, 2024 22:05:42 GMT -5
I didn't go to the youtube page where the comments were. I just went and the comments were interesting to say the least. He is trying to get views to buildup his tour guide business. It's working as he has 9,828 comments. He is being provocative to get views and hits. Most people who take these tours are Christian and already support Israel. To be a tour guide in Israel, you must be certified by the Israeli Ministry of Tourism, so there training reflects the Israel position. The tours are not "fair and balanced" history. For example you don't hear on these tours that Arabs have occupied Jerusalem longer than Jews. Arabs are always the bad guys on these tours. Who controlled Australia the longest? |
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