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Post by fixit on May 12, 2024 18:59:41 GMT -5
People have been saying that Israel has to fight till they kill all the Hamas. That is absolutely impossible because what Israel is currently doing is just creating more Hamas. They will never kill them all so they would be wise to find a way to live with them. Killing civilians, starving civilians etc is a very good way of continuing to create more enemies. That's like telling the Allies during WW2 that their efforts to defeat the Nazis is only creating more Nazis. |
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Post by xna on May 13, 2024 11:30:45 GMT -5
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Post by snow on May 13, 2024 14:49:59 GMT -5
Israelis shouldn't have homes in Gaza in the first place. It's not on land that was given to them. They just took it. Where are the people supposed to go? The situation is not the same as it was in WW2. The Arab nations live in that region and they are sovereign countries that do not like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. That is why I say that you will never get rid of groups like Hamas as long as Israel doesn't respect the boundaries. John Bolton is a war monger and couldn't care less about Palestinians. So not at all surprised that he would say just bomb the crap out them. Who cares, they deserve to die.
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Post by fixit on May 13, 2024 15:43:58 GMT -5
Israelis shouldn't have homes in Gaza in the first place. It's not on land that was given to them. They just took it. Where are the people supposed to go? The situation is not the same as it was in WW2. The Arab nations live in that region and they are sovereign countries that do not like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. That is why I say that you will never get rid of groups like Hamas as long as Israel doesn't respect the boundaries. John Bolton is a war monger and couldn't care less about Palestinians. So not at all surprised that he would say just bomb the crap out them. Who cares, they deserve to die. Israel was established on a patch of land given by the UN in 1947 on which all residents Arab and Jew were made equal citizens. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the only expansion after that was on land that was captured in existential wars that Israel was forced to fight. |
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Post by Dan on May 14, 2024 3:02:20 GMT -5
Israelis shouldn't have homes in Gaza in the first place. It's not on land that was given to them. They just took it. Where are the people supposed to go? The situation is not the same as it was in WW2. The Arab nations live in that region and they are sovereign countries that do not like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. That is why I say that you will never get rid of groups like Hamas as long as Israel doesn't respect the boundaries. John Bolton is a war monger and couldn't care less about Palestinians. So not at all surprised that he would say just bomb the crap out them. Who cares, they deserve to die.
Gaza was part of the promised land, but was not taken from the Philistines in Solomon’s day. So from a religious point of view, Gaza was land given to the Israeli's. You've wondered why God commanded Joshua to kill all of the occupants of the promised land in 1300 BC, what's happening today is why. The Palestinians/Philistines need to go, there won't be any peace until they do. The Arab/Muslim nations surrounding Israel could easily take the Palestinians as refugees, but prefer to use them as pawns to occupy the land.
Being Christian, I'm biased because its a holy land. Therein lies the problem, 3 religions vying for the same plot of land. The Jews need to live there for Christianities sake, and prophecy says they will in the end times. Allah will lose, Islam will be defeated, but Hamas has a lot of support (Biden, Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders). Even though Evil has a lot of support, it won't prevail in the end, Christ will ultimately end the fight (Ezekiel 38).
The problem is that Israel has been tinkering around for over 7 months, they need to ignore the bleeding heart liberals and finish the job. I'll admit that I have little compassion for the Palestinians, I still remember them celebrating the 911 attack on us. You have to wonder why they didn't expect what's happening now after the atrocities committed last Oct 7. They had to have known they would be obliterated. “Every battle is won before it is ever fought” (Sun Tzu).
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Post by xna on May 14, 2024 7:38:55 GMT -5
.... Being Christian, I'm biased because its a holy land. Therein lies the problem, 3 religions vying for the same plot of land. .... Religion is the root cause of the mess in the middle east. Until one side kills all their enemies, which is highly unlikely, or they give up their religions, which is also highly unlikely, then lives and resources will continue to be squandered in the name of their gods. |
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Post by xna on May 14, 2024 7:51:17 GMT -5
People have been saying that Israel has to fight till they kill all the Hamas. That is absolutely impossible because what Israel is currently doing is just creating more Hamas. They will never kill them all so they would be wise to find a way to live with them. Killing civilians, starving civilians etc is a very good way of continuing to create more enemies. I'm not seeing any good alternative to Israeli military control of the Gaza strip because the government of Gaza is sworn to the destruction of Israel. Gaza ceasefires have never held for long and have only impoverished the people of Gaza. Many Israeli Jews or their forebears were expelled, or fled for their lives, from their ancentral homelands. Do you think the Jews should just abandon the State of Israel, and find somewhere else to live if they could? If anyone is interested in balance, the interviews in this video are good: I wouldn't believe anything Bolton says. The Economist called Bolton "the most controversial ambassador ever sent by America to the United Nations." Bolton also said; "there is no such thing as the United Nations". Bolton has been shown to make up lots of false stories, including making false statements to the Senate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 14, 2024 14:23:27 GMT -5
Israelis shouldn't have homes in Gaza in the first place. It's not on land that was given to them. They just took it. Where are the people supposed to go? The situation is not the same as it was in WW2. The Arab nations live in that region and they are sovereign countries that do not like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. That is why I say that you will never get rid of groups like Hamas as long as Israel doesn't respect the boundaries. John Bolton is a war monger and couldn't care less about Palestinians. So not at all surprised that he would say just bomb the crap out them. Who cares, they deserve to die.
Gaza was part of the promised land, but was not taken from the Philistines in Solomon’s day. So from a religious point of view, Gaza was land given to the Israeli's. You've wondered why God commanded Joshua to kill all of the occupants of the promised land in 1300 BC, what's happening today is why. The Palestinians/Philistines need to go, there won't be any peace until they do. The Arab/Muslim nations surrounding Israel could easily take the Palestinians as refugees, but prefer to use them as pawns to occupy the land.
Being Christian, I'm biased because its a holy land. Therein lies the problem, 3 religions vying for the same plot of land. The Jews need to live there for Christianities sake, and prophecy says they will in the end times. Allah will lose, Islam will be defeated, but Hamas has a lot of support (Biden, Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders). Even though Evil has a lot of support, it won't prevail in the end, Christ will ultimately end the fight (Ezekiel 38).
The problem is that Israel has been tinkering around for over 7 months, they need to ignore the bleeding heart liberals and finish the job. I'll admit that I have little compassion for the Palestinians, I still remember them celebrating the 911 attack on us. You have to wonder why they didn't expect what's happening now after the atrocities committed last Oct 7. They had to have known they would be obliterated. “Every battle is won before it is ever fought” (Sun Tzu).
The irony does not escape me that on another post you were positing that perhaps Annan was confusing Christians with Muslims. |
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Post by fixit on May 14, 2024 15:01:21 GMT -5
I'll admit that I have little compassion for the Palestinians, I still remember them celebrating the 911 attack on us. You have to wonder why they didn't expect what's happening now after the atrocities committed last Oct 7. They had to have known they would be obliterated. “ Every battle is won before it is ever fought” (Sun Tzu). Westerners generally are distressed by the suffering of Gaza citizens but it's not so clear that there was any sympathy in the Islamic world for the innocent victims of the Hamas attack on Israel. |
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Post by Dan on May 14, 2024 17:38:39 GMT -5
Gaza was part of the promised land, but was not taken from the Philistines in Solomon’s day. So from a religious point of view, Gaza was land given to the Israeli's. You've wondered why God commanded Joshua to kill all of the occupants of the promised land in 1300 BC, what's happening today is why. The Palestinians/Philistines need to go, there won't be any peace until they do. The Arab/Muslim nations surrounding Israel could easily take the Palestinians as refugees, but prefer to use them as pawns to occupy the land.
Being Christian, I'm biased because its a holy land. Therein lies the problem, 3 religions vying for the same plot of land. The Jews need to live there for Christianities sake, and prophecy says they will in the end times. Allah will lose, Islam will be defeated, but Hamas has a lot of support (Biden, Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders). Even though Evil has a lot of support, it won't prevail in the end, Christ will ultimately end the fight (Ezekiel 38).
The problem is that Israel has been tinkering around for over 7 months, they need to ignore the bleeding heart liberals and finish the job. I'll admit that I have little compassion for the Palestinians, I still remember them celebrating the 911 attack on us. You have to wonder why they didn't expect what's happening now after the atrocities committed last Oct 7. They had to have known they would be obliterated. “Every battle is won before it is ever fought” (Sun Tzu).
The irony does not escape me that on another post you were positing that perhaps Annan was confusing Christians with Muslims.
Some of her conclusions were definitely more in-line with Islam that Christianity. But its typical for atheist to lump all religions into the same category. I don't blame ya'll, if I were an atheist, I'd think that all religious people were delusional nuts too  |
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Post by xna on May 14, 2024 17:53:03 GMT -5
Saudi Arabia's position on Gaza
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Post by xna on May 15, 2024 7:40:27 GMT -5
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Post by xna on May 15, 2024 9:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by snow on May 15, 2024 15:03:41 GMT -5
Israelis shouldn't have homes in Gaza in the first place. It's not on land that was given to them. They just took it. Where are the people supposed to go? The situation is not the same as it was in WW2. The Arab nations live in that region and they are sovereign countries that do not like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. That is why I say that you will never get rid of groups like Hamas as long as Israel doesn't respect the boundaries. John Bolton is a war monger and couldn't care less about Palestinians. So not at all surprised that he would say just bomb the crap out them. Who cares, they deserve to die. Gaza was part of the promised land, but was not taken from the Philistines in Solomon’s day. So from a religious point of view, Gaza was land given to the Israeli's. You've wondered why God commanded Joshua to kill all of the occupants of the promised land in 1300 BC, what's happening today is why. The Palestinians/Philistines need to go, there won't be any peace until they do. The Arab/Muslim nations surrounding Israel could easily take the Palestinians as refugees, but prefer to use them as pawns to occupy the land. Being Christian, I'm biased because its a holy land. Therein lies the problem, 3 religions vying for the same plot of land. The Jews need to live there for Christianities sake, and prophecy says they will in the end times. Allah will lose, Islam will be defeated, but Hamas has a lot of support (Biden, Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders). Even though Evil has a lot of support, it won't prevail in the end, Christ will ultimately end the fight (Ezekiel 38).
The problem is that Israel has been tinkering around for over 7 months, they need to ignore the bleeding heart liberals and finish the job. I'll admit that I have little compassion for the Palestinians, I still remember them celebrating the 911 attack on us. You have to wonder why they didn't expect what's happening now after the atrocities committed last Oct 7. They had to have known they would be obliterated. “Every battle is won before it is ever fought” (Sun Tzu).
So basically you're saying that the killing of all Palestinians if necessary and the complete take over of Gaza is fine because God gave it to them? So this is totally okay because of religious beliefs? If that's the case, then there is nothing anyone can say or do to have Christians and Jews think about what is actually happening to a people, mostly children, because God thinks it's okay. This is one reason why I think religious beliefs are so very dangerous. |
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Post by Dan on May 16, 2024 0:44:54 GMT -5
Gaza was part of the promised land, but was not taken from the Philistines in Solomon’s day. So from a religious point of view, Gaza was land given to the Israeli's. You've wondered why God commanded Joshua to kill all of the occupants of the promised land in 1300 BC, what's happening today is why. The Palestinians/Philistines need to go, there won't be any peace until they do. The Arab/Muslim nations surrounding Israel could easily take the Palestinians as refugees, but prefer to use them as pawns to occupy the land. Being Christian, I'm biased because its a holy land. Therein lies the problem, 3 religions vying for the same plot of land. The Jews need to live there for Christianities sake, and prophecy says they will in the end times. Allah will lose, Islam will be defeated, but Hamas has a lot of support (Biden, Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders). Even though Evil has a lot of support, it won't prevail in the end, Christ will ultimately end the fight (Ezekiel 38).
The problem is that Israel has been tinkering around for over 7 months, they need to ignore the bleeding heart liberals and finish the job. I'll admit that I have little compassion for the Palestinians, I still remember them celebrating the 911 attack on us. You have to wonder why they didn't expect what's happening now after the atrocities committed last Oct 7. They had to have known they would be obliterated. “Every battle is won before it is ever fought” (Sun Tzu).
So basically you're saying that the killing of all Palestinians if necessary and the complete take over of Gaza is fine because God gave it to them? So this is totally okay because of religious beliefs? If that's the case, then there is nothing anyone can say or do to have Christians and Jews think about what is actually happening to a people, mostly children, because God thinks it's okay. This is one reason why I think religious beliefs are so very dangerous.
Nobody is killing all of the Palestinians, its Hamas that's using them as shields by hiding among them. And I'm sure that some Palestinian sympathizers are harboring Terrorist too. Hamas runs Gaza, so Israel has no choice but to govern it themselves now. Consider that there are over 2 million Palestinians too, and if they wanted peace, all they'd need to do is turn over the terrorist.
Religion aside, a sovereign country was attacked by 1500 terrorist who brutally murdered +1200 unarmed citizens. Israel isn't attacking Hamas because they're Muslims, they're attacking them because they're terrorist. It was Hamas who attacked Judaism.
So take God and Allah out of the picture, and what you have is terrorist who's only goal is to kill all the Jews and take their land. Israel has done a pretty good job of limiting collateral damage considering the densely populated area. What other choice do they have than to defend themselves? After 911, the U.S. went after al-Qaeda and didn't stop until they killed all of them, Osama bin Laden being the last. It wasn't religious fanaticism, it was self-preservation.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 16, 2024 0:51:45 GMT -5
So basically you're saying that the killing of all Palestinians if necessary and the complete take over of Gaza is fine because God gave it to them? So this is totally okay because of religious beliefs? If that's the case, then there is nothing anyone can say or do to have Christians and Jews think about what is actually happening to a people, mostly children, because God thinks it's okay. This is one reason why I think religious beliefs are so very dangerous. Nobody is killing all of the Palestinians, its Hamas that's using them as shields by hiding among them. And I'm sure that some Palestinian sympathizers are harboring Terrorist too. Hamas runs Gaza, so Israel has no choice but to govern it themselves now. Consider that there are over 2 million Palestinians too, and if they wanted peace, all they'd need to do is turn over the terrorist.
Religion aside, a sovereign country was attacked by 1500 terrorist who brutally murdered +1200 unarmed citizens. Israel isn't attacking Hamas because they're Muslims, they're attacking them because they're terrorist. It was Hamas who attacked Judaism. So take God and Allah out of the picture, and what you have is terrorist who's only goal is to kill all the Jews and take their land. Israel has done a pretty good job of limiting collateral damage considering the densely populated area. What other choice do they have than to defend themselves? After 911, the U.S. went after al-Qaeda and didn't stop until they killed all of them, Osama bin Laden being the last. It wasn't religious fanaticism, it was self-preservation.
You're incredibly naive. And Al-Quaida is alive and well -- just not threatening the US. |
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Post by Dan on May 16, 2024 3:51:14 GMT -5
Nobody is killing all of the Palestinians, its Hamas that's using them as shields by hiding among them. And I'm sure that some Palestinian sympathizers are harboring Terrorist too. Hamas runs Gaza, so Israel has no choice but to govern it themselves now. Consider that there are over 2 million Palestinians too, and if they wanted peace, all they'd need to do is turn over the terrorist.
Religion aside, a sovereign country was attacked by 1500 terrorist who brutally murdered +1200 unarmed citizens. Israel isn't attacking Hamas because they're Muslims, they're attacking them because they're terrorist. It was Hamas who attacked Judaism. So take God and Allah out of the picture, and what you have is terrorist who's only goal is to kill all the Jews and take their land. Israel has done a pretty good job of limiting collateral damage considering the densely populated area. What other choice do they have than to defend themselves? After 911, the U.S. went after al-Qaeda and didn't stop until they killed all of them, Osama bin Laden being the last. It wasn't religious fanaticism, it was self-preservation.
You're incredibly naive. And Al-Quaida is alive and well -- just not threatening the US.
Naive to me is a pacifist who opposed killing Osama bin Laden, meaning Joe Biden and probably you? I'm sure there's a remnant of Al-Qaeda hiding under a rock somewhere, but out of sight & out of mind. The ones who plotted 911 were captured or killed.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 17, 2024 3:07:44 GMT -5
You're incredibly naive. And Al-Quaida is alive and well -- just not threatening the US. Naive to me is a pacifist who opposed killing Osama bin Laden, meaning Joe Biden and probably you? I'm sure there's a remnant of Al-Qaeda hiding under a rock somewhere, but out of sight & out of mind. The ones who plotted 911 were captured or killed.
What makes you think Biden opposed the killing of bin Laden??? I'd say that makes you naive about Biden. I don't mind being naive -- I do quite well for myself. And, no, al-Qaeda is not hiding under a rock. You just don't hear about them any more because they're busy in Afghanistan playing with the Taliban |
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Post by snow on May 17, 2024 16:01:38 GMT -5
So basically you're saying that the killing of all Palestinians if necessary and the complete take over of Gaza is fine because God gave it to them? So this is totally okay because of religious beliefs? If that's the case, then there is nothing anyone can say or do to have Christians and Jews think about what is actually happening to a people, mostly children, because God thinks it's okay. This is one reason why I think religious beliefs are so very dangerous. Nobody is killing all of the Palestinians, its Hamas that's using them as shields by hiding among them. And I'm sure that some Palestinian sympathizers are harboring Terrorist too. Hamas runs Gaza, so Israel has no choice but to govern it themselves now. Consider that there are over 2 million Palestinians too, and if they wanted peace, all they'd need to do is turn over the terrorist.
Religion aside, a sovereign country was attacked by 1500 terrorist who brutally murdered +1200 unarmed citizens. Israel isn't attacking Hamas because they're Muslims, they're attacking them because they're terrorist. It was Hamas who attacked Judaism. So take God and Allah out of the picture, and what you have is terrorist who's only goal is to kill all the Jews and take their land. Israel has done a pretty good job of limiting collateral damage considering the densely populated area. What other choice do they have than to defend themselves? After 911, the U.S. went after al-Qaeda and didn't stop until they killed all of them, Osama bin Laden being the last. It wasn't religious fanaticism, it was self-preservation.
It wasn't their land until they were given it in 1947. It was no more their land than it was the Arabs land. Both occupied that region and the Jewish people were a very small part of it. They were not a great nation but rather small tribes. Babylon conquered them and took many of their 'rulers' into captivity. The Ottoman Empire ruled them for a period of time. They have never had a very real claim to the land like the bible likes to say. Palestine should have been a sovereign country and Israel has fought to make sure it wasn't. I don't think there would have been so much hatred if Israel hadn't been given the land, hadn't fought to take more than was in the original agreement, and hasn't done everything they could to prevent then from having a sovereign nation of their own. Israel wants it all. Gaza is a lucrative piece of land. When Christians say that it was the Jews land, they can only say that by quoting that God gave it to them. The Jews were everywhere and it was ironically the Christians that were responsible for keeping them in their own poverty ridden districts etc. Hitler had the blessing of the Arch Bishop of the RCC to exterminate them because they killed Jesus. Now they want them back there because of some obscure bible interpretation. Do I want them to give up the land they lived on for decades now? No. But they should quit trying to make everyone around them hate them by using the US and other Christian nations to support their illegal movements onto land that wasn't theirs in the first agreement. They have turned a blind eye to the infiltration onto lands that were not in that agreement. And, they wonder why they have made enemies in the region. It's a complex mess for sure. But when Christians add to that by quoting the bible saying God gave the Jews that land, it only causes more problems for the Jews, not less. |
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Post by Annan on May 18, 2024 6:44:48 GMT -5
I've always loved this song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5_4Aqt7SWYSong by Ernest Gold This land is mine God gave this land to me This brave and ancient land to me And when the morning sun Reveals her hills and plains Then I see a land Where children can run free So take my hand And walk this land with me And walk this lovely land with me Tho' I am just a man When you are by my side With the help of God I know I can be strong To make this land our home If I must fight, I'll fight To make this land our own Until I die, this land is mine |
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Post by Dan on May 19, 2024 3:29:21 GMT -5
What makes you think Biden opposed the killing of bin Laden??? I'd say that makes you naive about Biden. I don't mind being naive -- I do quite well for myself. And, no, al-Qaeda is not hiding under a rock. You just don't hear about them any more because they're busy in Afghanistan playing with the Taliban
As long as al Qaeda is hiding in Afghanisitan, they've essentially been rendered confined and harmless.
It wasn't their land until they were given it in 1947. It was no more their land than it was the Arabs land. Both occupied that region and the Jewish people were a very small part of it. They were not a great nation but rather small tribes. Babylon conquered them and took many of their 'rulers' into captivity. The Ottoman Empire ruled them for a period of time. They have never had a very real claim to the land like the bible likes to say. Palestine should have been a sovereign country and Israel has fought to make sure it wasn't. I don't think there would have been so much hatred if Israel hadn't been given the land, hadn't fought to take more than was in the original agreement, and hasn't done everything they could to prevent then from having a sovereign nation of their own. Israel wants it all. Gaza is a lucrative piece of land. When Christians say that it was the Jews land, they can only say that by quoting that God gave it to them. The Jews were everywhere and it was ironically the Christians that were responsible for keeping them in their own poverty ridden districts etc. Hitler had the blessing of the Arch Bishop of the RCC to exterminate them because they killed Jesus. Now they want them back there because of some obscure bible interpretation. Do I want them to give up the land they lived on for decades now? No. But they should quit trying to make everyone around them hate them by using the US and other Christian nations to support their illegal movements onto land that wasn't theirs in the first agreement. They have turned a blind eye to the infiltration onto lands that were not in that agreement. And, they wonder why they have made enemies in the region. It's a complex mess for sure. But when Christians add to that by quoting the bible saying God gave the Jews that land, it only causes more problems for the Jews, not less.
In that sense, it has been a land disputed by religion. Jews & Christians believe it was promised to Abraham and delivered by Moses in 1300 BC. Prophecy says the Jews would return in the latter days and repossess it until the return of Christ, but would be surrounded by enemies.
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Post by snow on May 19, 2024 13:18:44 GMT -5
What makes you think Biden opposed the killing of bin Laden??? I'd say that makes you naive about Biden. I don't mind being naive -- I do quite well for myself. And, no, al-Qaeda is not hiding under a rock. You just don't hear about them any more because they're busy in Afghanistan playing with the Taliban As long as al Qaeda is hiding in Afghanisitan, they've essentially been rendered confined and harmless.
It wasn't their land until they were given it in 1947. It was no more their land than it was the Arabs land. Both occupied that region and the Jewish people were a very small part of it. They were not a great nation but rather small tribes. Babylon conquered them and took many of their 'rulers' into captivity. The Ottoman Empire ruled them for a period of time. They have never had a very real claim to the land like the bible likes to say. Palestine should have been a sovereign country and Israel has fought to make sure it wasn't. I don't think there would have been so much hatred if Israel hadn't been given the land, hadn't fought to take more than was in the original agreement, and hasn't done everything they could to prevent then from having a sovereign nation of their own. Israel wants it all. Gaza is a lucrative piece of land. When Christians say that it was the Jews land, they can only say that by quoting that God gave it to them. The Jews were everywhere and it was ironically the Christians that were responsible for keeping them in their own poverty ridden districts etc. Hitler had the blessing of the Arch Bishop of the RCC to exterminate them because they killed Jesus. Now they want them back there because of some obscure bible interpretation. Do I want them to give up the land they lived on for decades now? No. But they should quit trying to make everyone around them hate them by using the US and other Christian nations to support their illegal movements onto land that wasn't theirs in the first agreement. They have turned a blind eye to the infiltration onto lands that were not in that agreement. And, they wonder why they have made enemies in the region. It's a complex mess for sure. But when Christians add to that by quoting the bible saying God gave the Jews that land, it only causes more problems for the Jews, not less. In that sense, it has been a land disputed by religion. Jews & Christians believe it was promised to Abraham and delivered by Moses in 1300 BC. Prophecy says the Jews would return in the latter days and repossess it until the return of Christ, but would be surrounded by enemies.
I guess in that case then, the Jews should just accept that it's God's will to be surrounded by enemies. So what's with all this trying to get rid of their enemies. Aren't they interfering with God's will for their end days? |
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Post by fixit on May 20, 2024 2:51:43 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 20, 2024 3:08:55 GMT -5
There are many examples of this sort of funny business in war. Two examples are how the Nazis had the Gestapo who had infiltrated all the ranks of the regular army, airforce and navy and were there to kill any dissidence. At the other end of the spectrum is the USA in the dying year or so of Vietnam when troops had poor morale and had been shooting officers who dared suggest they go out on patrol. This was known as fragging. On a slightly different note I was reading about the Sea Peoples who are a mysterious bunch of people from a round 1250 BC to about 1150 BC. They were active in the eastern Med causing grief far and wide. It turns out they were most likely Greek in origin although that is not a definite but what was definite is the DNA work done which found that modern Palestinians are closely related to the Greeks. DNA can sort out a lot of myths. |
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Post by xna on May 20, 2024 16:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by snow on May 20, 2024 17:54:39 GMT -5
I do agree it's a tough neighborhood. Hamas is a terrorist group no doubt about it and they've done horrific things to their own people. Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place as the saying goes. The Israeli government is also pretty horrific. They aren't even supported by a great number of their own people. In a lot of ways they are endangering the lives of Jews living in Israel with their hostile aggression and land grabs over the years. I feel for the Jews and Palestinians that have their lives endangered by their governing bodies. |
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Post by fixit on May 20, 2024 19:05:15 GMT -5
I do agree it's a tough neighborhood. Hamas is a terrorist group no doubt about it and they've done horrific things to their own people. Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place as the saying goes. The Israeli government is also pretty horrific. They aren't even supported by a great number of their own people. In a lot of ways they are endangering the lives of Jews living in Israel with their hostile aggression and land grabs over the years. I feel for the Jews and Palestinians that have their lives endangered by their governing bodies. I'm sure Israel would make a lot of concessions if they had a partner for peace to negotiate with. And I'm sure the Palestinians would be far better off if they accepted Israel as a Jewish state. |
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Post by xna on May 22, 2024 8:17:20 GMT -5
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