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Post by xna on Apr 22, 2024 10:08:26 GMT -5
My concern is the thinking that nations like Israel and Ukraine are not worth defending. That's a slippery slope. To me the greatest slippery slope is when any country is formulated on one religion. It sets it's self up for conflict with another country which is formulated on any other different religion. The US got it right by separating religion and government. Religion wants total control, religion is tribalism, it is intolerant of all "others". You can see this in the USA by the Christian nationalist movement, and now in India with the Hindu Nationalism movement. If I were king I would make all countries secular.  |
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2024 13:59:16 GMT -5
My concern is the thinking that nations like Israel and Ukraine are not worth defending. That's a slippery slope. To me the greatest slippery slope is when any country is formulated on one religion. It sets it's self up for conflict with another country which is formulated on any other different religion. The US got it right by separating religion and government. Religion wants total control, religion is tribalism, it is intolerant of all "others". You can see this in the USA by the Christian nationalist movement, and now in India with the Hindu Nationalism movement. If I were king I would make all countries secular. You would have to change the religious constitution in Palestine and the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Bahrain, Brunei, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Maldives, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sahrawi Republic, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. |
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Post by xna on Apr 22, 2024 14:18:24 GMT -5
To me the greatest slippery slope is when any country is formulated on one religion. It sets it's self up for conflict with another country which is formulated on any other different religion. The US got it right by separating religion and government. Religion wants total control, religion is tribalism, it is intolerant of all "others". You can see this in the USA by the Christian nationalist movement, and now in India with the Hindu Nationalism movement. If I were king I would make all countries secular. You would have to change the religious constitution in Palestine and the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Bahrain, Brunei, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Maldives, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sahrawi Republic, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen It's not a problem. They can all use the same one. I actually think a dictatorship is the most efficient form of government, but it's hard to find the "right girl / guy, and even harder to have a never ending string of "right girl /guy". The problem with democracy is many people who vote are also; unqualified, unskilled, unfit, untrained, inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant, etc, get to vote on things they are not suitable to decide. So elected positions like judges, sheriff, school boards, DA's should be appointments based on merit and not based on popularism. |
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Post by xna on Apr 23, 2024 2:12:58 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Apr 24, 2024 14:54:43 GMT -5
This is just so heartbreaking. What the hell is Israel doing? They are taking more land in the West Bank illegally, killing thousands of children and civilians in Gaza and then they think it's a good idea to attack Iranian interests in Syria!! Then when Iran responds and then says they are done, Israel instead says nope Game on. We're going to attack Iran for attacking us after we attacked them. Why are the States supporting Israel anymore. They make me sick. Do you think if Israel is nice to Iran, that Iran will be nice back? Iran is working hard to destroy the state of Israel, and Israel (with US help) is working hard to defend the state of Israel from Iran and its proxies. They don't need to be nice or friends. They don't need to make matters worse by retaliating for a situation they started in Syria. |
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Post by snow on Apr 24, 2024 14:57:03 GMT -5
You would have to change the religious constitution in Palestine and the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Bahrain, Brunei, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Maldives, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sahrawi Republic, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen It's not a problem. They can all use the same one. I actually think a dictatorship is the most efficient form of government, but it's hard to find the "right girl / guy, and even harder to have a never ending string of "right girl /guy". The problem with democracy is many people who vote are also; unqualified, unskilled, unfit, untrained, inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant, etc, get to vote on things they are not suitable to decide. So elected positions like judges, sheriff, school boards, DA's should be appointments based on merit and not based on popularism. That's something I never understood about the US. Why they vote in sheriff's? |
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2024 15:14:37 GMT -5
Do you think if Israel is nice to Iran, that Iran will be nice back? Iran is working hard to destroy the state of Israel, and Israel (with US help) is working hard to defend the state of Israel from Iran and its proxies. They don't need to be nice or friends. They don't need to make matters worse by retaliating for a situation they started in Syria. Iran is trying to destroy Israel through Iranian proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc. |
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Post by snow on Apr 24, 2024 17:32:11 GMT -5
They don't need to be nice or friends. They don't need to make matters worse by retaliating for a situation they started in Syria. Iran is trying to destroy Israel through Iranian proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc. I don't think that Israel is doing itself any favors trying to fight everyone around them. That's what is going to happen and they may end up with only help from the US because of how far they've fallen in the eyes of most of the world. What they are doing to Gaza is alienating them from countries that used to be their allies. That can't be a good outcome for Israel. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 24, 2024 18:20:02 GMT -5
It's not a problem. They can all use the same one. I actually think a dictatorship is the most efficient form of government, but it's hard to find the "right girl / guy, and even harder to have a never ending string of "right girl /guy". The problem with democracy is many people who vote are also; unqualified, unskilled, unfit, untrained, inexperienced, uneducated, ignorant, etc, get to vote on things they are not suitable to decide. So elected positions like judges, sheriff, school boards, DA's should be appointments based on merit and not based on popularism. That's something I never understood about the US. Why they vote in sheriff's? It's a leftover from the days when the majority rule needed protection from minority rights. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2024 18:37:26 GMT -5
Iran is trying to destroy Israel through Iranian proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc. I don't think that Israel is doing itself any favors trying to fight everyone around them. That's what is going to happen and they may end up with only help from the US because of how far they've fallen in the eyes of most of the world. What they are doing to Gaza is alienating them from countries that used to be their allies. That can't be a good outcome for Israel. Israel has to permanently neutralise the threat from Gaza and there's no easy or nice way to do that. “If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel” |
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Post by xna on Apr 25, 2024 10:10:06 GMT -5
I don't think that Israel is doing itself any favors trying to fight everyone around them. That's what is going to happen and they may end up with only help from the US because of how far they've fallen in the eyes of most of the world. What they are doing to Gaza is alienating them from countries that used to be their allies. That can't be a good outcome for Israel. Israel has to permanently neutralise the threat from Gaza and there's no easy or nice way to do that. “If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel” Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established apnews.com/article/hamas-khalil-alhayya-qatar-ceasefire-1967-borders-4912532b11a9cec29464eab234045438 |
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Post by xna on Apr 25, 2024 10:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Apr 25, 2024 15:14:41 GMT -5
Torture and executions by who? |
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Post by xna on Apr 25, 2024 15:52:55 GMT -5
Torture and executions by who? The truth is hard to know. Gaza has a communication blackout imposed since Jan. 97 journalists have been killed in Gaza. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 25, 2024 16:51:35 GMT -5
Torture and executions by who? The truth is hard to know. Gaza has a communication blackout imposed since Jan. 97 journalists have been killed in Gaza. I agree, it's hard to know at this point. My concern is that everyone is piling on Israel and ignoring the fact that the government of Gaza is a terror group that is as ready to kill Gazans who oppose it as it is to kill Jews. |
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Post by xna on Apr 27, 2024 19:02:07 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2024 12:25:45 GMT -5
Which is exactly what Netanyahu doesn't want. He is currently taking even more land from the West Bank. It's not in his best interests to give Palestine a sovereign state. I doubt he will go for it. |
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Post by xna on Apr 28, 2024 12:28:18 GMT -5
Which is exactly what Netanyahu doesn't want. He is currently taking even more land from the West Bank. It's not in his best interests to give Palestine a sovereign state. I doubt he will go for it. He wants them dead or gone. |
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Post by snow on Apr 28, 2024 13:02:05 GMT -5
Which is exactly what Netanyahu doesn't want. He is currently taking even more land from the West Bank. It's not in his best interests to give Palestine a sovereign state. I doubt he will go for it. He wants them dead or gone. Israel needs to get rid of Netanyahu. He will get them all killed. He and his cronies are far right and don't care about peace. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 28, 2024 15:07:52 GMT -5
Which is exactly what Netanyahu doesn't want. He is currently taking even more land from the West Bank. It's not in his best interests to give Palestine a sovereign state. I doubt he will go for it. Israel pulled all the Jews out of Gaza and within a short time it's government was sworn to the destruction of Israel. How would you prevent that happening with your "sovereign state" of Palestine? |
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Post by Dan on Apr 28, 2024 16:39:16 GMT -5
He wants them dead or gone. Israel needs to get rid of Netanyahu. He will get them all killed. He and his cronies are far right and don't care about peace.
Israel didn't break the peace, they've been systematically attacked for decades, and then came the massive Oct 7th terrorist attack. Its become overwhelmingly obvious that no 2 state peaceful solution will work. Netanyahu has got to be resolute and not relent until he's killed every Hamas terrorist in Gaza, no matter the cost. Failing to do so is what will eventually get every Israeli killed. There's a time for peace, but its not now, its when the enemy has been utterly destroyed.
Your statement is tantamount to saying that right after Pearl Harbor, " The U.S. needs to get rid of Roosevelt, he and his far left cronies will get them all killed because they don't care about peace"
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 28, 2024 19:28:44 GMT -5
Israel needs to get rid of Netanyahu. He will get them all killed. He and his cronies are far right and don't care about peace.
Israel didn't break the peace, they've been systematically attacked for decades, and then came the massive Oct 7th terrorist attack. Its become overwhelmingly obvious that no 2 state peaceful solution will work. Netanyahu has got to be resolute and not relent until he's killed every Hamas terrorist in Gaza, no matter the cost. Failing to do so is what will eventually get every Israeli killed. There's a time for peace, but its not now, its when the enemy has been utterly destroyed.
Your statement is tantamount to saying that right after Pearl Harbor, " The U.S. needs to get rid of Roosevelt, he and his far left cronies will get them all killed because they don't care about peace"
The jews should never have been given any land and the UN resolution granting them that should never have been made. Stealing land from legitimate owners is the root of todays troubles. Send the jews back to Europe. |
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Post by xna on Apr 28, 2024 19:44:12 GMT -5
The jews should never have been given any land and the UN resolution granting them that should never have been made. Stealing land from legitimate owners is the root of todays troubles. Send the jews back to Europe Israel has a law called the "Law of Return", which grants Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and gain Israeli citizenship. This law applies to Jews from anywhere in the world. But here's the catch; Most Jews don't want to live in Israel. The Jews who live in Israel tend to be zionists and religious zealots. Any society based on a religion is doomed for continual conflict with neighbors who don't have that same religion. Wars about religion is never ending.  |
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Post by fixit on Apr 28, 2024 20:22:36 GMT -5
The jews should never have been given any land and the UN resolution granting them that should never have been made. Stealing land from legitimate owners is the root of todays troubles. Send the jews back to Europe Israel has a law called the "Law of Return", which grants Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and gain Israeli citizenship. This law applies to Jews from anywhere in the world. But here's the catch; Most Jews don't want to live in Israel. The Jews who live in Israel tend to be zionists and religious zealots. Any society based on a religion is doomed for continual conflict with neighbors who don't have that same religion. Wars about religion is never ending. Most if not all countries used to have an official religion. All of Israel's neighbours still do. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 28, 2024 20:23:45 GMT -5
Israel didn't break the peace, they've been systematically attacked for decades, and then came the massive Oct 7th terrorist attack. Its become overwhelmingly obvious that no 2 state peaceful solution will work. Netanyahu has got to be resolute and not relent until he's killed every Hamas terrorist in Gaza, no matter the cost. Failing to do so is what will eventually get every Israeli killed. There's a time for peace, but its not now, its when the enemy has been utterly destroyed.
Your statement is tantamount to saying that right after Pearl Harbor, " The U.S. needs to get rid of Roosevelt, he and his far left cronies will get them all killed because they don't care about peace"
The jews should never have been given any land and the UN resolution granting them that should never have been made. Stealing land from legitimate owners is the root of todays troubles. Send the jews back to Europe. Kinda like send the Irish back to Ireland. An alternative would be for everyone to just accept the country in which they are living and get on with life. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 28, 2024 20:25:45 GMT -5
The jews should never have been given any land and the UN resolution granting them that should never have been made. Stealing land from legitimate owners is the root of todays troubles. Send the jews back to Europe. Kinda like send the Irish back to Ireland. Tried that, got "sorry, use by date has expired" |
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Post by fixit on Apr 28, 2024 20:28:28 GMT -5
Israel needs to get rid of Netanyahu. He will get them all killed. He and his cronies are far right and don't care about peace. Israel didn't break the peace, they've been systematically attacked for decades, and then came the massive Oct 7th terrorist attack. Its become overwhelmingly obvious that no 2 state peaceful solution will work. Netanyahu has got to be resolute and not relent until he's killed every Hamas terrorist in Gaza, no matter the cost. Failing to do so is what will eventually get every Israeli killed. There's a time for peace, but its not now, its when the enemy has been utterly destroyed.
Your statement is tantamount to saying that right after Pearl Harbor, " The U.S. needs to get rid of Roosevelt, he and his far left cronies will get them all killed because they don't care about peace"
I agree, leaving Hamas in place would continue to pose an existential threat to Israel. An alternative would be for the Gazan militants to lay down their arms in exchange for free passage to a third country. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 28, 2024 20:31:06 GMT -5
Kinda like send the Irish back to Ireland. Tried that, got "sorry, use by date has expired" Yeah, they wouldn't want me back in Somerset either. |
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