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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 14:53:35 GMT -5
An Aussie advertising agency has come up with this short introductory blurb that will explain to the Aussie market about "Brave Truth Australia" 'tongue is cheek' but quite revealing, 'this is actually how it is' Gidday you fellow Aussies of mine! I'm Ross, you know me ! The guy 'world famous here in Aussie' for calling out me ex church (the horrible '2x2ers') as a cult on 60 mins. (Didn't I come across smooth and plausible!š¤ ) Also read the last couple of hundred of me 5500 posts here on TMB if you have any doubt of what kind of guy I am and what my mindset is.
Well listen here is me latest folks!: I've teamed up with a couple of Queensland 'sheilas' Jillian and Vianne. They are cut from the same cloth as I am. You can depend on them all right! We've decided we have a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents" of the 2x2ers" It's free, not many strings attached. We'll support you and be completely confidential (check me out in my TMB posts on that count!)Ā š¤£š¤£
Check out the website or Facebook page for our office hours/hotline hours. We are waiting for you call.
Cheers mate Ross. SHUT UP ! ATTEND TO YOUR SHEEP YOU ARE MOST CERTAINLY NOT QUALIFIED TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON WHO RUNS IT ! ROSS IS AWESOME !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 14:56:15 GMT -5
I have reached my personal limit with the workerās who donāt acknowledge their errors ! There are many many good workers , elders and friends . You are not in the last group ! Donāt make me get on a plane What part of over 500 hundred offenders in the USA & Canada donāt you get ! Are you even aware we are funding therapy in Argentina and other countries , (equine therapy) horses in case you donāt know . Many on here have sent money to ATFF for that reason ! Hand over your funds and rely on your creator for food ! Many I know have done so !!! Because they asked what they can do to help . Have you or your buddy MITM NO YOU HAVE NOT ! You both need to stay on the pouch because you are unable to run with the big dogs (the women) . Again MITM YOU ARE INFRINGING ON A TRADEMARK ! You are so lucky my father is no longer here , because if you think Iām bad , I aināt got the power my father had . But I am his mini me . Put your money where your mouth is and stop calling out groups like Wings and Brave Australianās , neither of you is qualified . Go volunteer at the SPCA perhaps you will learn something .
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 21, 2023 15:05:32 GMT -5
chinesewhispers, I have numerous times expressed my respect for you and my sorrow at what you have experienced in life. That is sincere and hasn't changed. Like you I too have some discernment for what is real ( you are for real! ) and discernment what is fake, what is done with ulterior motives! That is why I made the post again wishes and care to you!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 15:08:17 GMT -5
chinesewhispers, I have numerous times expressed my respect for you and my sorrow at what you have experienced in life. That is sincere and hasn't changed.Ā Like you I too have some discernment for what is real and what is fake. Hence my posts!Ā again wishes and care to you! I donāt care for you one iota !
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 21, 2023 15:10:31 GMT -5
That's ok, my care and respect for you and sorrow at what you have experienced remains!
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Post by snow on Jul 21, 2023 16:55:27 GMT -5
An Aussie advertising agency has come up with this short introductory blurb that will explain to the Aussie market about "Brave Truth Australia" 'tongue is cheek' but quite revealing, 'this is actually how it is' Gidday you fellow Aussies of mine! I'm Ross, you know me ! The guy 'world famous here in Aussie' for calling out me ex church (the horrible '2x2ers') as a cult on 60 mins. (Didn't I come across smooth and plausible!š¤ ) Also read the last couple of hundred of me 5500 posts here on TMB if you have any doubt of what kind of guy I am and what my mindset is.
Well listen here is me latest folks!: I've teamed up with a couple of Queensland 'sheilas' Jillian and Vianne. They are cut from the same cloth as I am. You can depend on them all right! We've decided we have a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents" of the 2x2ers" It's free, not many strings attached. We'll support you and be completely confidential (check me out in my TMB posts on that count!) š¤£š¤£
Check out the website or Facebook page for our office hours/hotline hours. We are waiting for you call.
Cheers mate Ross.Where did you find that post by Ross? Do you have links?
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Post by bfvernon on Jul 21, 2023 18:10:57 GMT -5
Dear International Studies
Please give supporting evidence for your disrespectful attitude towards Ross Bowden.
Blessings Barbara
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Post by jwatt on Jul 21, 2023 20:38:40 GMT -5
Dear International Studies Please give supporting evidence for your disrespectful attitude towards Ross Bowden. Blessings Barbara There won't be any evidence as none exists. The victims will be pleased to have Ross to support them. The workers and overseers continually try to protect their comfortable lifestyle which has continued for years.
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2023 20:41:47 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? š¤£ š¤£ 2.āØVianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?āØ Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?āØ Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden? Typical response I see internationalstudies ! Of course you would say that because he didn't take your BS! How bad does it look Ross as an "Ex" has stepped up and done what you as a Worker haven't ! and never would........like most of the reactions they are only sorry because they got caught......they didn't care beforehand otherwise Ross wouldn't be in that role..... Rotten to the core...feel sorry for any innocents caught up in it regardless of their convictions.
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2023 20:49:09 GMT -5
I totally agree. After watching the 60 minute programme he is the last person I would be wanting to talk to if I was a member of the church and had something to report. Hopefully one of the others is a church member. Can you elaborate on what you mean janj ? The inclination to keep it in house is chilling......
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2023 20:51:34 GMT -5
themaninthemirror, so who would you suggest for the role? Sorry I don't see any "conflict of interest". Ross has spoken up when others wanted to "hide" what has been happening for years. Rosalyn - not all victims of abuse want someone with limited discretion knowing their business. Think about the victim. oh the irony...
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2023 20:53:00 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. š TMB needs such.š Is that the best you have internationalstudies ! What are you doing for "your church"? keeping the boot on people's neck......
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2023 20:56:07 GMT -5
Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents)Ā hope that members of the church who are CSA victims Ā will come to them? Well its not a good start having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters. as a CSA survivor Ā commented on WINGS: "Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in āexposingā the fellowship as a cult, Iām really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldnāt."
The other two? Everyone 'beats around the bush' and is a bit 'coy' on the question asked about them: āØVianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?āØWonder if Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?āØAny more credible, unbiased Ā or suitable for the role than Ross Bowden? Your credibility was shot even more the day Ross assumed the role, you should be embarrassed he is there in the first place, you've got a hide!
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Post by jwatt on Jul 21, 2023 22:52:17 GMT -5
Excuse please. Self praise is how you say no praise. You are janj and Internationalstudies so why you talking to yourself Haven't you read Matthew 10? There's got to be two! It seems a bit of coincidence his second persona has our parents initials, as his name, janj. Bit of an insult is right!
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 21, 2023 23:14:55 GMT -5
Dear International Studies Please give supporting evidence for your disrespectful attitude towards Ross Bowden. Blessings Barbara Barbara, The supporting evidence: The guy 'world famous in Aussie ex friendly circles' for calling out his ex church (the horrible '2x2ers') as a cult on 60 mins. (He came across smooth and plausible!)
Also read the last couple of hundred (or a thousand or two thousand )of his obsessed 5500 posts here on TMB if you have ANY doubt of what kind of guy he and what his mindset is.
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 22, 2023 1:36:38 GMT -5
Dear International Studies It seems you just want mischief with your posts. Iām having a hard time knowing if your questions about Jillian & Vianne are genuine. Does it matter if theyāre professing? Iām not sure that it does? If they are or if they arenāt, itās 2 people who have publicly put their hands up to help victims of sexual abuse in whatever way they can. I think thereās a contact us option on the website, maybe you could contact them and ask if itās something you really need to know?
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Post by chuck on Jul 22, 2023 2:29:41 GMT -5
Dear International Studies Please give supporting evidence for your disrespectful attitude towards Ross Bowden. Blessings Barbara Barbara, The supporting evidence: The guy 'world famous in Aussie ex friendly circles' for calling out his ex church (the horrible '2x2ers') as a cult on 60 mins. (He came Ā across smooth and plausible!)
Also read the last couple of hundred (or a thousand or two thousand )of his obsessed 5500 posts here on TMB if you have ANY doubt of what kind of guy he and what his mindset is.
How about you actually do something to fix your own stench and put Ross out of a job if he is so compromised...... So far all I see is a parasite worrying about depleted nutrition as a result of Ross's presence.
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 22, 2023 4:52:12 GMT -5
Dear International Studies Please give supporting evidence for your disrespectful attitude towards Ross Bowden. Blessings Barbara Barbara, The supporting evidence: The guy 'world famous in Aussie ex friendly circles' for calling out his ex church (the horrible '2x2ers') as a cult on 60 mins. (He came Ā across smooth and plausible!)
Also read the last couple of hundred (or a thousand or two thousand )of his obsessed 5500 posts here on TMB if you have ANY doubt of what kind of guy he and what his mindset is.
Have you watched the 60M program? He doesnāt call it a cult. He said there was some ācult likeā characteristics. Maybe you could have a look thru his posts and point me to the one where he calls it a cult? In any case, your disdain for Ross is quite misdirected. If an ex member of you church needs to be fighting for the protection of children IN your church, Iād say itās YOU with the problem, not him. And if you think thereās no one in your area that has any of those āproblemsā, maybe you need to listen better. Iād guarantee at multiple people you sit with in your mission tomorrow has either been abused, is being abused or is an abuser.
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Post by mountain on Jul 22, 2023 5:00:52 GMT -5
Haven't you read Matthew 10? There's got to be two! It seems a bit of coincidence his second persona has our parents initials, as his name, janj. Bit of an insult is right! Goodness me.....not content with two, he is going with three? Mind you the OT law does say that matters are proved by the testimony of two...'or three' witnesses. Maybe the new name for the sect is 'The 2x2 or 3s?'
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 22, 2023 8:31:51 GMT -5
Barbara, The supporting evidence: The guy 'world famous in Aussie ex friendly circles' for calling out his ex church (the horrible '2x2ers') as a cult on 60 mins. (He came Ā across smooth and plausible!)
Also read the last couple of hundred (or a thousand or two thousand )of his obsessed 5500 posts here on TMB if you have ANY doubt of what kind of guy he and what his mindset is.
Have you watched the 60M program? He doesnāt call it a cult. He said there was some ācult likeā characteristics. Maybe you could have a look thru his posts and point me to the one where he calls it a cult? In any case, your disdain for Ross is quite misdirected. If an ex member of you church needs to be fighting for the protection of children IN your church, Iād say itās YOU with the problem, not him. And if you think thereās no one in your area that has any of those āproblemsā, maybe you need to listen better. Iād guarantee at multiple people you sit with in your mission tomorrow has either been abused, is being abused or is an abuser. Ross is very smart then, heās a politician saying ācult likeā when he full well means a cult. Again, I donāt see how a āhearty 2x2ā who has been abused will want to contact an organisation headed up by this man. Sure the exes will contact him no problem - heās out, they are out - nothing to lose. Maybe take a step back and look at it from the other side.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 22, 2023 10:18:47 GMT -5
Ok Roslyn you are obviously biased, I get that. I know victims of child abuse and abuse in general. If the purpose of this group is to provide a safe space, then having someone who is very open and willing to speak to the media on the board is not desirable. I get it that you want to defend him because heās an ex and thatās aligns with your view, however, if you are truly interested in it from a child welfare or a victims perspective then discretion would be more helpful. I am not saying he hasnāt been discrete. These email chains of information do get shared around and itās not always in the best interests of the victim. As I said, a noble act - but not the right person. Thank you for your reply themaninthemirror, maybe I am biased, but then again maybe not. It would depend on why you believe I am biased ? Because I'm an "ex" ? The reason I am defending Ross is because I actually know him and his family, and have done for many years, also I know all that he has done along with others behind the scenes for many years. What has being an "ex" got to do with anything ? Do you really think us exs don't still have family in the 2x2s? If the Workers in Australia had done the right thing, there would have been no need for anyone to go to the media. Now we see the results of the lies that have been told for decades. So after all that I will assume you don't actually know Ross and your views are based on hearsay ? You seem to have missed my post themaninthemirror. Can we confirm your views are based on hearsay?
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Post by snow on Jul 22, 2023 13:41:38 GMT -5
It seems a bit of coincidence his second persona has our parents initials, as his name, janj. Bit of an insult is right! Goodness me.....not content with two, he is going with three? Mind you the OT law does say that matters are proved by the testimony of two...'or three' witnesses. Maybe the new name for the sect is 'The 2x2 or 3s?' the trinity perhaps??
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Post by mountain on Jul 22, 2023 13:58:03 GMT -5
Goodness me.....not content with two, he is going with three? Mind you the OT law does say that matters are proved by the testimony of two...'or three' witnesses. Maybe the new name for the sect is 'The 2x2 or 3s?' the trinity perhaps?? Aaaaaargh !!!!!!! Now Int-studies has gone too far.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 22, 2023 14:47:09 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply themaninthemirror, maybe I am biased, but then again maybe not. It would depend on why you believe I am biased ? Because I'm an "ex" ? The reason I am defending Ross is because I actually know him and his family, and have done for many years, also I know all that he has done along with others behind the scenes for many years. What has being an "ex" got to do with anything ? Do you really think us exs don't still have family in the 2x2s? If the Workers in Australia had done the right thing, there would have been no need for anyone to go to the media. Now we see the results of the lies that have been told for decades. So after all that I will assume you don't actually know Ross and your views are based on hearsay ? You seem to have missed my post themaninthemirror. Can we confirm your views are based on hearsay? Hearsay that Ross is an ex that is very vocal in his dislike for the teachings of the group? Itās like appointing a ex Muslim to support devout Muslims in revealing abuse. Think a bit deeper than your position Rosyln. Iām sure you know that abuse is complicated. I know a case where 13 people were abused and only one person was brave enough to come forward - i donāt think you understand.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 22, 2023 14:55:30 GMT -5
chuck and godsgrace, I'm unmoved by your posts (expressions of your bias). Your cheerleading for your flawed candidate Ross Bowden. I see right through it. I'm not fooled or swayed by it.Ā Vianne and Jillian?, likely of the same mind/'cut from the same cloth'? Everyone is a bit 'coy' about them!!!
Perhaps they will come to realise that Cynthia, Sheri and Lauren have it covered. Doing it without the flaws and 'baggage' that Ross brings with him? Ā
š¤·āāļø twt.
Look it's fine for Ross to keep active in his campaign against his ex church. But he should be at least honest enough to do it without putting this Brave Truth cloak for a 'fig leaf' covering eh? Why lure decent folk into his web with this?
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Post by jwatt on Jul 22, 2023 16:53:14 GMT -5
chuck and godsgrace, I'm unmoved by your posts (expressions of your bias). Your cheerleading for your flawed candidate Ross Bowden. I see right through it. I'm not fooled or swayed by it.Ā Vianne and Jillian?, likely of the same mind/'cut from the same cloth'? Everyone is a bit 'coy' about them!!!
Perhaps they will come to realise that Cynthia, Sheri and Lauren have it covered. Doing it without the flaws and 'baggage' that Ross brings with him? Ā
š¤·āāļø twt.
Look it's fine for Ross to keep active in his campaign against his ex church. But he should be at least honest enough to do it without putting this Brave Truth cloak for a 'fig leaf' covering eh? Why lure decent folk into his web with this? Great post just before your meeting time. Wonder how much time preparing for meeting.
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Post by chuck on Jul 22, 2023 18:20:45 GMT -5
Have you watched the 60M program? He doesnāt call it a cult. He said there was some ācult likeā characteristics. Maybe you could have a look thru his posts and point me to the one where he calls it a cult? In any case, your disdain for Ross is quite misdirected. If an ex member of you church needs to be fighting for the protection of children IN your church, Iād say itās YOU with the problem, not him. And if you think thereās no one in your area that has any of those āproblemsā, maybe you need to listen better. Iād guarantee at multiple people you sit with in your mission tomorrow has either been abused, is being abused or is an abuser. Ross is very smart then, heās a politician saying ācult likeā when he full well means a cult. Again, I donāt see how a āhearty 2x2ā who has been abused will want to contact an organisation headed up by this man. Sure the exes will contact him no problem - heās out, they are out - nothing to lose. Maybe take a step back and look at it from the other side. The encouraged separation from "outsiders" is one reason why Ross is there helping in the first place. This practice of deliberately trying to force separation is still happening to this very day. Disgusting behaviour. Your thought process is more compromised than you think Ross's is.
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Post by chuck on Jul 22, 2023 18:32:04 GMT -5
chuck and godsgrace, I'm unmoved by your posts (expressions of your bias). Your cheerleading for your flawed candidate Ross Bowden. I see right through it. I'm not fooled or swayed by it.Ā Vianne and Jillian?, likely of the same mind/'cut from the same cloth'? Everyone is a bit 'coy' about them!!!
Perhaps they will come to realise that Cynthia, Sheri and Lauren have it covered. Doing it without the flaws and 'baggage' that Ross brings with him? Ā
š¤·āāļø twt.
Look it's fine for Ross to keep active in his campaign against his ex church. But he should be at least honest enough to do it without putting this Brave Truth cloak for a 'fig leaf' covering eh? Why lure decent folk into his web with this? You don't get it. Ross is there because you and many others fundementally NEVER CARED IN THE FIRST PLACE. You can say all the right words, but Ross's presence in the role is the reality of how much generally people actually cared about xzy. If you want to be like Jesus demonstrate before you announce, Ross's presence is the reality that you are just announcers only.....and it also demonstrates you have no idea about what you have been selling people. White washed tombs= Ross's helping people supposedly being guided by you. Its such a bad look coming on here whining about someone doing something to help your very own people that you never even so as much gave a thought that they might actually need help. It's disgusting. The only thing I'm cheerleading is people being moved to help others.....your show still barely moved after it was made to apologise....heck it even still is activley putting a worker with child abuse allegations hanging over them in young family homes ffs why are you not shouting from the rooftops about this instead of whining about Ross.
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