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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 17:21:51 GMT -5
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Attributed to Edmund Burke, including by John F Kennedy in a speech in 1961. Hey Redback nice to see you. how is everything?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 19, 2023 17:25:36 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. 😀 TMB needs such.👍
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Post by help on Jul 19, 2023 17:50:47 GMT -5
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Attributed to Edmund Burke, including by John F Kennedy in a speech in 1961. Hey Redback nice to see you. how is everything? All good thanks Wally, just trying to cope with old age. Like good wine, just mellowing. Hope you are doing OK.
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 19, 2023 18:05:08 GMT -5
A few people, currently professing and exes have set up a website www.thebravetruthaustralia.com , a Hotline to report (doing similar work as the US Hotline), a private Facebook group 'The Brave Truth Australia - Private' and a public Facebook Page The Brave Truth Australia. If you have made a call to the International Hotline unfortunately the information cannot be transferred due to confidentiality. So call the Australian Hotline if you have abuse to report. They are working to have any known abusers removed from meetings/conventions/missions or any gatherings of the friends where children are present. The Hotline number is 0489 994 566. All calls are confidential. The Hotline is open 24/7 to text or leave a message and is manned Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 9am - 2.30pm. godsgrace Thank you for sharing this. At last someone is taking this seriously and taking a stand. I agree! I know there's a lot of people working behind the scenes too over the years, but i think them being open about what they're doing on The Brave Truth is a good thing. It gives victims a place to go if they've been shut down before. I think The Brave Truth are trying to work with the workers too - they said they've had response from the workers, so I believe they're trying to do what they can to protect children. Too much time taken up on the who's! I don't get the carry on with Ross. Seems like because he's spoken out before it makes him a bit of a target for criticism maybe? He definitely doesn't mince his words when it comes to protecting children tho, and that seems to be the explicit aim of the group if you read the website. I don't know about anyone else, but i think people that have stepped up publicly to protect children and vulnerable people need to be supported!
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 21:43:18 GMT -5
themaninthemirror, so who would you suggest for the role? Sorry I don't see any "conflict of interest". Ross has spoken up when others wanted to "hide" what has been happening for years. Rosalyn - not all victims of abuse want someone with limited discretion knowing their business. Think about the victim. I think you may need to elaborate themaninthemirror. So you know first hand (not hersay) that Ross has not shown discretion in regard to a victim/survivor?
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 21:47:44 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. 😀 TMB needs such.👍 Is that the best you have internationalstudies ! What are you doing for "your church"?
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 21:48:50 GMT -5
Hey Redback nice to see you. how is everything? All good thanks Wally, just trying to cope with old age. Like good wine, just mellowing. Hope you are doing OK. Good to see you Redback,how are you doing?
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Post by giuseppe on Jul 20, 2023 2:14:32 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. 😀 TMB needs such.👍 Excuse please. Self praise is how you say no praise. You are janj and Internationalstudies so why you talking to yourself
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Post by mountain on Jul 20, 2023 3:46:54 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. 😀 TMB needs such.👍 Excuse please. Self praise is how you say no praise. You are janj and Internationalstudies so why you talking to yourself Haven't you read Matthew 10? There's got to be two!
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 20, 2023 4:14:38 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. 😀 TMB needs such.👍 Excuse please. Self praise is how you say no praise. You are janj and Internationalstudies so why you talking to yourself giuseppe, are you one of mary's Italian relations? you only post when she posts!🤔
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Post by giuseppe on Jul 20, 2023 4:18:22 GMT -5
Excuse please. Self praise is how you say no praise. You are janj and Internationalstudies so why you talking to yourself giuseppe, are you one of mary's Italian relations? you only post when she posts!🤔 Yes St Mary Mother of Jesus very important to me. Why you not answer my question
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 20, 2023 5:19:23 GMT -5
Rosalyn - not all victims of abuse want someone with limited discretion knowing their business. Think about the victim. I think you may need to elaborate themaninthemirror. So you know first hand (not hersay) that Ross has not shown discretion in regard to a victim/survivor? Ok Roslyn you are obviously biased, I get that. I know victims of child abuse and abuse in general. If the purpose of this group is to provide a safe space, then having someone who is very open and willing to speak to the media on the board is not desirable. I get it that you want to defend him because he’s an ex and that’s aligns with your view, however, if you are truly interested in it from a child welfare or a victims perspective then discretion would be more helpful. I am not saying he hasn’t been discrete. These email chains of information do get shared around and it’s not always in the best interests of the victim. As I said, a noble act - but not the right person.
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Post by janj on Jul 20, 2023 5:21:58 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. 😀 TMB needs such.👍 Excuse please. Self praise is how you say no praise. You are janj and Internationalstudies so why you talking to yourself He certainly is not. That's an insult & a half!!🤣
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 20, 2023 5:25:05 GMT -5
I think you may need to elaborate themaninthemirror. So you know first hand (not hersay) that Ross has not shown discretion in regard to a victim/survivor? Ok Roslyn you are obviously biased, I get that. I know victims of child abuse and abuse in general. If the purpose of this group is to provide a safe space, then having someone who is very open and willing to speak to the media on the board is not desirable. I get it that you want to defend him because he’s an ex and that’s aligns with your view, however, if you are truly interested in it from a child welfare or a victims perspective then discretion would be more helpful. I am not saying he hasn’t been discrete. These email chains of information do get shared around and it’s not always in the best interests of the victim. As I said, a noble act - but not the right person. Thank you for your reply themaninthemirror, maybe I am biased, but then again maybe not. It would depend on why you believe I am biased ? Because I'm an "ex" ? The reason I am defending Ross is because I actually know him and his family, and have done for many years, also I know all that he has done along with others behind the scenes for many years. What has being an "ex" got to do with anything ? Do you really think us exs don't still have family in the 2x2s? If the Workers in Australia had done the right thing, there would have been no need for anyone to go to the media. Now we see the results of the lies that have been told for decades. So after all that I will assume you don't actually know Ross and your views are based on hearsay ?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 20, 2023 14:22:34 GMT -5
Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents) hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Well its not a good start having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters.
as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS:
"Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two?
Everyone 'beats around the bush' and is a bit 'coy' on the question asked about them:
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder if Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible, unbiased or suitable for the role than Ross Bowden?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 20, 2023 21:55:49 GMT -5
Just a tad stressed , because I am I the hospital and the last 24 hours I have relived the text that came to my phone Mommie I have COVID-19 Mommie I need you I took the first flight and before my plane landed she was on a ventilator . My CHILD WAS CSA BY A WORKER AT AGE NINE RIGHT AFTER SHE PROFESSED AT CONVENTION WITH HER GRANDPARENTS . MY CHILD IS DEAD , SHE BECAME A DRUG ADDICTED AND WORKED THE STREET TO FEED HER ADDICTION ! My child is dead . The point I am making is this is not the time to bash people over and like IS & MITM . You have missed a lot of the backbiting . It is just to dig in and not make judgment calls on people . They did and I handed it right back . Sending ❤️ your way. I can't imagine the terrible heartache loosing a child would bring. Well I was in hospital . Got out till Monday and today I received a text from my youngest , she needed money & has Covid-19 like the daughter I lost 😡 I have not spoken to her since Feb 27th . I am chilled to the bone 🦴
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 20, 2023 21:57:56 GMT -5
janj and themaninthemirror, thankyou for your correct and factual posts. 😀 TMB needs such.👍 Is that the best you have internationalstudies ! What are you doing for "your church"? He is doing SWEET F A ! MITM Michael Jackson’s kids can sue you for copyright infringement ! Jus sayin . I do believe IS may be covering for wolves 🐺 . Needs his paycheck ! Stop given them workers 💰 💴 💵 get a job !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 20, 2023 22:05:18 GMT -5
My anger with the over 500 hundred predators in Canada 🇨🇦 & the USA 🇺🇸 keeps building . Stop telling me to pray to a cruel God that allows children to be raped . STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHINNING ON HEAR ABOUT SITES YOU DO NOT LIKE !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 20, 2023 23:09:53 GMT -5
Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents) hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Well its not a good start having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters. as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS: "Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two? Everyone 'beats around the bush' and is a bit 'coy' on the question asked about them:
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder if Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible, unbiased or suitable for the role than Ross Bowden? So what have you done internationalstudies ? As a Worker have you reported EVERY case of CSA that you were aware of or were told of ? You also need to be careful of "your tell" Mr "traveller" ! Don't you have any gospel meetings to prepare for elderly people to visit ?
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Post by jwatt on Jul 21, 2023 0:48:18 GMT -5
Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents) hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Well its not a good start having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters. as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS: "Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two? Everyone 'beats around the bush' and is a bit 'coy' on the question asked about them:
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder if Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible, unbiased or suitable for the role than Ross Bowden? So what have you done internationalstudies ? As a Worker have you reported EVERY case of CSA that you were aware of or were told of ? You also need to be careful of "your tell" Mr "traveller" ! Don't you have any gospel meetings to prepare for elderly people to visit ? He doesn't answer questions, just expects others to answer his! 🤣🤣
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Post by menatwork on Jul 21, 2023 3:14:51 GMT -5
Very true……he hasn’t answered my question of 3 days ago repeated below…..
Are Sheri, Cynthia & Lauren present members of the church? Does it matter?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 21, 2023 5:11:37 GMT -5
coming back to:
Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents") hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Hardly an auspicious launch having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters.
as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS: "Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two?
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Present members of the church?
'Strange'.... the 'beating around the bush' and the 'coyness' on responding to this simple yes/no question. 😉 Is it they are as credible, suitable and unbiased as Ross? 🤷♂️
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 21, 2023 6:11:05 GMT -5
coming back to: Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents") hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Hardly an auspicious launch having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters.
as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS:"Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two?
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Present members of the church?
'Strange'.... the 'beating around the bush' and the 'coyness' on responding to this simple yes/no question. 😉 Is it they are as credible, suitable and unbiased as Ross? 🤷♂️Why don't you ask them internationalstudies ! Maybe instead of posting on WINGS whining about it, do what anyone with any credibility would do and ask them yourself!
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 21, 2023 6:25:46 GMT -5
coming back to: Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents") hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Hardly an auspicious launch having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters.
as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS:"Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two?
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Present members of the church?
'Strange'.... the 'beating around the bush' and the 'coyness' on responding to this simple yes/no question. 😉 Is it they are as credible, suitable and unbiased as Ross? 🤷♂️Why don't you ask them internationalstudies ! Maybe instead of posting on WINGS whining about it, do what anyone with any credibility would do and ask them yourself! You an Australian and one who posts deeply concerned about CSA in your old church. Always 'up on everything going on'...... and you don't know this?!! Really? 😳 You too feeling a little coy to answer? 😉 Another 'achilles heel'? No disclosure necessary. Any bias, suitability or credibility of the promoters is of no relevance or consequence? 😉 Victims in the church wouldn't need such before divulging deep personal matters and details to them? Divulging such to an outfit that Ross Bowden is involved with? 🤣🤣 a CSA survivor commented on WINGS: "Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard.As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
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Post by menatwork on Jul 21, 2023 7:00:50 GMT -5
coming back to: Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents") hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Hardly an auspicious launch having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters.
as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS:"Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two?
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Present members of the church?
'Strange'.... the 'beating around the bush' and the 'coyness' on responding to this simple yes/no question. 😉 Is it they are as credible, suitable and unbiased as Ross? 🤷♂️How about a simple yes or no answer to my question….repeated below for the third time!! Are Sheri, Cynthia & Lauren present members of the church? Does it matter?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 10:41:52 GMT -5
Very true……he hasn’t answered my question of 3 days ago repeated below….. Are Sheri, Cynthia & Lauren present members of the church? Does it matter? NO THEY ARE NOT AND IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE . They are doing the work , it’s actually all women doing the hard work ! Go figure ! Step up boy’z
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 10:50:56 GMT -5
coming back to: Does The Brave Truth Australia (who claim a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents") hope that members of the church who are CSA victims will come to them? Hardly an auspicious launch having Ross Bowden as one of the promoters.
as a CSA survivor commented on WINGS:"Given the fact Ross Bowden was a big figure in “exposing” the fellowship as a cult, I’m really not sure the benefit of having him onboard. As a victim, I certainly wouldn’t."
The other two?
Vianne Hills? Jillian Hishon ?
Present members of the church?
'Strange'.... the 'beating around the bush' and the 'coyness' on responding to this simple yes/no question. 😉 Is it they are as credible, suitable and unbiased as Ross? 🤷♂️SHUT UP ALREADY , YOU ARE A HORRIBLE EXAMPLE OF A WORKER THE GLOVES ARE OFF BOY’Z
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 21, 2023 14:12:41 GMT -5
An Aussie advertising agency has come up with this short introductory blurb that will explain to the Aussie market about "Brave Truth Australia"
'tongue is cheek' but quite revealing, 'this is actually how it is'
Gidday you fellow Aussies of mine! I'm Ross, you know me ! The guy 'world famous here in Aussie' for calling out me ex church (the horrible '2x2ers') as a cult on 60 mins. (Didn't I come across smooth and plausible!🤭 ) Also read the last couple of hundred of me 5500 posts here on TMB if you have any doubt of what kind of guy I am and what my mindset is.
Well listen here is me latest folks!: I've teamed up with a couple of Queensland 'sheilas' Jillian and Vianne. They are cut from the same cloth as I am. You can depend on them all right! We've decided we have a mandate "For and on behalf of many friends, Parents and Grandparents" of the 2x2ers" It's free, not many strings attached. We'll support you and be completely confidential (check me out in my TMB posts on that count!) 🤣🤣
Check out the website or Facebook page for our office hours/hotline hours. We are waiting for you call.
Cheers mate Ross.
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