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Post by godsgrace on Jul 18, 2023 20:53:03 GMT -5
A few people, currently professing and exes have set up a website www.thebravetruthaustralia.com , a Hotline to report (doing similar work as the US Hotline), a private Facebook group 'The Brave Truth Australia - Private' and a public Facebook Page The Brave Truth Australia. If you have made a call to the International Hotline unfortunately the information cannot be transferred due to confidentiality. So call the Australian Hotline if you have abuse to report. They are working to have any known abusers removed from meetings/conventions/missions or any gatherings of the friends where children are present. The Hotline number is 0489 994 566. All calls are confidential. The Hotline is open 24/7 to text or leave a message and is manned Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 9am - 2.30pm.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 18, 2023 21:42:02 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden?
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 18, 2023 22:12:49 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden? Hello there, Thanks for your reply. Was hoping for something more positive like 'Good to see some positive action being taken in helping to keep children safe' Anyway, I wish them well! They've got their work cut out.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 18, 2023 22:52:06 GMT -5
godsgrace, So you ignore my question and respond with contravening rule 5 of this forum? 🤔 Is this your level of decency and integrity? Are you part of "The Brave Truth Australia"? I hope not. Disrespect of privacy and confidentiality isn't a quality of those than can help CSA victims.
My question is: The names given for The Brave Truth Australia: 1.Ross Bowden. (Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣) 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Are Vianne or Jillian present members of the church? Do they have credibility that Ross lacks with present members of the church?
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Post by godsgrace on Jul 18, 2023 23:29:59 GMT -5
godsgrace, So you ignore my question and respond with contravening rule 5 of this forum? 🤔 Is this your level of decency and integrity? Are you part of "The Brave Truth Australia"? I hope not. Disrespect of privacy and confidentiality isn't a quality of those than can help CSA victims. My question is: The names given for The Brave Truth Australia: 1.Ross Bowden. (Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣) 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Are Vianne or Jillian present members of the church? Do they have credibility that Ross lacks with present members of the church? Sorry! I’ll take that back International Studies. I don’t know, you’d have to ask them. Hope your studies are going well.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 18, 2023 23:49:15 GMT -5
godsgrace, i)appreciate your apology . ii) So you are recommending something that you know nothing about the promoters of? I struggle to believe this. iii)I appreciate the honourable open way Cynthia, Sheri and Lauren operate. I appreciate their tireless efforts on the behalf of our church.
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Post by Mary on Jul 19, 2023 0:51:08 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden? Hello there, Thanks for your reply. Was hoping for something more positive like 'Good to see some positive action being taken in helping to keep children safe' Anyway, I wish them well! They've got their work cut out. Agree, good to see some positive action taken in helping keep children safe. Ross was part of the 60 mins program about sexual abuse in the 2x2s. I have found Ross and Jillian to be people of integrity. I do not know Vianne. Their work should be applauded.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 19, 2023 0:56:09 GMT -5
Thanks Mary ....but how much can folks go on your recommendation? Given your present level of integrity and decency, seen in your recent posts on this forum? I appreciate the honourable open way Cynthia, Sheri and Lauren operate, their decency and integrity. I appreciate their tireless efforts on the behalf of our church.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 19, 2023 2:26:11 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden? I have raised this previously. Ross Bowden is not an appropriate person for this role. Think about it logically, it would be like making Donald Trump the press secretary of Joe Biden. Huge conflict of interest given his existing media profile. Noble effort, but wrong individual for the role.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2023 5:34:23 GMT -5
Thanks Mary ....but how much can folks go on your recommendation? Given your present level of integrity and decency, seen in your recent posts on this forum? I appreciate the honourable open way Cynthia, Sheri and Lauren operate, their decency and integrity. I appreciate their tireless efforts on the behalf of our church. Who the f made you think you are the judge, jury and executioner that makes those decisions, boys ! WHAT HELP HAVE YOU OFFERED OR REACHED OUT TO VICTIMS OF CSA/SA ? You have done nothing boys! Go read your Bible focus on your creator because you have not stood for any victims . It's just a bunch of chatter from you 2 .Did you ever see the movie Bambi , probably not , no tv for you 2 . Thumper said if you don’t have anything nice to don’t say anything at all ! The Brave Australians are serving a purpose YOU ARE NOT ! DBX2 DBX3 WAB
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 6:04:23 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden? I have raised this previously. Ross Bowden is not an appropriate person for this role. Think about it logically, it would be like making Donald Trump the press secretary of Joe Biden. Huge conflict of interest given his existing media profile. Noble effort, but wrong individual for the role. themaninthemirror, so who would you suggest for the role? Sorry I don't see any "conflict of interest". Ross has spoken up when others wanted to "hide" what has been happening for years.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 6:12:28 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden? Typical response I see internationalstudies ! Of course you would say that because he didn't take your BS! How bad does it look Ross as an "Ex" has stepped up and done what you as a Worker haven't !
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Post by janj on Jul 19, 2023 6:39:38 GMT -5
Thanks Mary ....but how much can folks go on your recommendation? Given your present level of integrity and decency, seen in your recent posts on this forum? I appreciate the honourable open way Cynthia, Sheri and Lauren operate, their decency and integrity. I appreciate their tireless efforts on the behalf of our church. Who the f made you think you are the judge, jury and executioner that makes those decisions, boys ! WHAT HELP HAVE YOU OFFERED OR REACHED OUT TO VICTIMS OF CSA/SA ? You have done nothing boys! Go read your Bible focus on your creator because you have not stood for any victims . It's just a bunch of chatter from you 2 .Did you ever see the movie Bambi , probably not , no tv for you 2 . Thumper said if you don’t have anything nice to don’t say anything at all ! The Brave Australians are serving a purpose YOU ARE NOT ! DBX2 DBX3 WAB Ha ha - thats funny. I am not defending International at all but 1. You actually dont know what hes done. Most people dont advertise their charity efforts on here 2. Do you have that same motto -if its not nice don't say it? Just wondering
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Post by janj on Jul 19, 2023 6:44:45 GMT -5
The three names given 1.Ross Bowden?! Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Wonder of Vianne or Jillian are present members of the church?
Any more credible or suitable than Ross Bowden? I have raised this previously. Ross Bowden is not an appropriate person for this role. Think about it logically, it would be like making Donald Trump the press secretary of Joe Biden. Huge conflict of interest given his existing media profile. Noble effort, but wrong individual for the role. I totally agree. After watching the 60 minute programme he is the last person I would be wanting to talk to if I was a member of the church and had something to report. Hopefully one of the others is a church member.
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Post by menatwork on Jul 19, 2023 6:57:51 GMT -5
godsgrace, So you ignore my question and respond with contravening rule 5 of this forum? 🤔 Is this your level of decency and integrity? Are you part of "The Brave Truth Australia"? I hope not. Disrespect of privacy and confidentiality isn't a quality of those than can help CSA victims. My question is: The names given for The Brave Truth Australia: 1.Ross Bowden. (Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣) 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Are Vianne or Jillian present members of the church? Do they have credibility that Ross lacks with present members of the church? Are Cynthia, Sheri & Lauren present members of the church? Does it matter??
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2023 6:58:29 GMT -5
Who the f made you think you are the judge, jury and executioner that makes those decisions, boys ! WHAT HELP HAVE YOU OFFERED OR REACHED OUT TO VICTIMS OF CSA/SA ? You have done nothing boys! Go read your Bible focus on your creator because you have not stood for any victims . It's just a bunch of chatter from you 2 .Did you ever see the movie Bambi , probably not , no tv for you 2 . Thumper said if you don’t have anything nice to don’t say anything at all ! The Brave Australians are serving a purpose YOU ARE NOT ! DBX2 DBX3 WAB Ha ha - thats funny. I am not defending International at all but 1. You actually dont know what hes done. Most people dont advertise their charity efforts on here 2. Do you have that same motto -if it’s not nice don't say it? Just wondering Just a tad stressed , because I am I the hospital and the last 24 hours I have relived the text that came to my phone Mommie I have COVID-19 Mommie I need you I took the first flight and before my plane landed she was on a ventilator . My CHILD WAS CSA BY A WORKER AT AGE NINE RIGHT AFTER SHE PROFESSED AT CONVENTION WITH HER GRANDPARENTS . MY CHILD IS DEAD , SHE BECAME A DRUG ADDICTED AND WORKED THE STREET TO FEED HER ADDICTION ! My child is dead . The point I am making is this is not the time to bash people over and like IS & MITM . You have missed a lot of the backbiting . It is just to dig in and not make judgment calls on people . They did and I handed it right back .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2023 7:01:39 GMT -5
godsgrace, So you ignore my question and respond with contravening rule 5 of this forum? 🤔 Is this your level of decency and integrity? Are you part of "The Brave Truth Australia"? I hope not. Disrespect of privacy and confidentiality isn't a quality of those than can help CSA victims. My question is: The names given for The Brave Truth Australia: 1.Ross Bowden. (Are you kidding? 🤣 🤣) 2.
Vianne Hills? 3.Jillian Hishon ?
Are Vianne or Jillian present members of the church? Do they have credibility that Ross lacks with present members of the church? Are Cynthia, Sheri & Lauren present members of the church? Does it matter?? Ya why does it matter . They are doing the work . IS why must always disapprove of groups helping like Wings , The Brave Australian , the people that post on here daily . If you don’t like them or being called out leave …………….
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 7:04:09 GMT -5
I have raised this previously. Ross Bowden is not an appropriate person for this role. Think about it logically, it would be like making Donald Trump the press secretary of Joe Biden. Huge conflict of interest given his existing media profile. Noble effort, but wrong individual for the role. I totally agree. After watching the 60 minute programme he is the last person I would be wanting to talk to if I was a member of the church and had something to report. Hopefully one of the others is a church member. Can you elaborate on what you mean janj ?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2023 7:14:08 GMT -5
Who the f made you think you are the judge, jury and executioner that makes those decisions, boys ! WHAT HELP HAVE YOU OFFERED OR REACHED OUT TO VICTIMS OF CSA/SA ? You have done nothing boys! Go read your Bible focus on your creator because you have not stood for any victims . It's just a bunch of chatter from you 2 .Did you ever see the movie Bambi , probably not , no tv for you 2 . Thumper said if you don’t have anything nice to don’t say anything at all ! The Brave Australians are serving a purpose YOU ARE NOT ! DBX2 DBX3 WAB Ha ha - thats funny. I am not defending International at all but 1. You actually dont know what hes done. Most people dont advertise their charity efforts on here 2. Do you have that same motto -if its not nice don't say it? Just wondering #2 men destroyed CSA BY A OVERSEER S/A till I was raped , then as you have read my child . Never in my life after that was I nice to any man except my father ! I flipped the game I don’t have be nice to them day after day as they attack people . Never said I was nice . I hope janj that you never have to live my nightmares . I had 3 children I have 1 left .CSA CAN KILL AND IT DOES !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 7:20:02 GMT -5
A few people, currently professing and exes have set up a website www.thebravetruthaustralia.com , a Hotline to report (doing similar work as the US Hotline), a private Facebook group 'The Brave Truth Australia - Private' and a public Facebook Page The Brave Truth Australia. If you have made a call to the International Hotline unfortunately the information cannot be transferred due to confidentiality. So call the Australian Hotline if you have abuse to report. They are working to have any known abusers removed from meetings/conventions/missions or any gatherings of the friends where children are present. The Hotline number is 0489 994 566. All calls are confidential. The Hotline is open 24/7 to text or leave a message and is manned Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 9am - 2.30pm. godsgrace Thank you for sharing this. At last someone is taking this seriously and taking a stand.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2023 7:24:27 GMT -5
A few people, currently professing and exes have set up a website www.thebravetruthaustralia.com , a Hotline to report (doing similar work as the US Hotline), a private Facebook group 'The Brave Truth Australia - Private' and a public Facebook Page The Brave Truth Australia. If you have made a call to the International Hotline unfortunately the information cannot be transferred due to confidentiality. So call the Australian Hotline if you have abuse to report. They are working to have any known abusers removed from meetings/conventions/missions or any gatherings of the friends where children are present. The Hotline number is 0489 994 566. All calls are confidential. The Hotline is open 24/7 to text or leave a message and is manned Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 9am - 2.30pm. godsgrace Thank you for sharing this. At last someone is taking this seriously and taking a stand. Thank you ! I was emailing with a couple in your group Sunday awesome people , we achieved a goal , I was so grateful that they trusted me to wrap it up 💞
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2023 7:35:00 GMT -5
Would not your GOD guide the right person to fill that spot ? You don’t trust your creator ? Where is the faith in your creator ? I live in Canada we are connected for a purpose 🙃
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2023 7:35:36 GMT -5
godsgrace Thank you for sharing this. At last someone is taking this seriously and taking a stand. Thank you ! I was emailing with a couple in your group Sunday awesome people , we achieved a goal , I was so grateful that they trusted me to wrap it up 💞 Take care of yourself today 1chinesewhispers ❤️
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 19, 2023 7:38:09 GMT -5
Thank you ! I was emailing with a couple in your group Sunday awesome people , we achieved a goal , I was so grateful that they trusted me to wrap it up 💞 Take care of yourself today 1chinesewhispers ❤️ I’m ok Ros 💞
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Post by snow on Jul 19, 2023 14:07:27 GMT -5
I don't see why it matters if the hotline has professing people on it or not. As long as they know how to speak with those who have been sexually abused, that's what matters most. I have volunteered at the Women's sexual abuse center for years. Not doing it anymore, but as a non professing person I feel I would be able to be part of a hotline like this. I care about the abused and I have some understanding about the group growing up in it. No longer professing should not be a criteria. A mix of professing and ex would probably be the best. That would give those phoning in a choice. Bottom line it's about the survivors and how comfortable they are with talking to these people. It should not be based on who workers feel are suitable. From what's happening in Montana right now and what happened 1999 in Alberta, having the blessing of the workers is not necessarily a good thing. Especially now when so many workers are being exposed.
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Post by janj on Jul 19, 2023 14:41:34 GMT -5
Ha ha - thats funny. I am not defending International at all but 1. You actually dont know what hes done. Most people dont advertise their charity efforts on here 2. Do you have that same motto -if it’s not nice don't say it? Just wondering Just a tad stressed , because I am I the hospital and the last 24 hours I have relived the text that came to my phone Mommie I have COVID-19 Mommie I need you I took the first flight and before my plane landed she was on a ventilator . My CHILD WAS CSA BY A WORKER AT AGE NINE RIGHT AFTER SHE PROFESSED AT CONVENTION WITH HER GRANDPARENTS . MY CHILD IS DEAD , SHE BECAME A DRUG ADDICTED AND WORKED THE STREET TO FEED HER ADDICTION ! My child is dead . The point I am making is this is not the time to bash people over and like IS & MITM . You have missed a lot of the backbiting . It is just to dig in and not make judgment calls on people . They did and I handed it right back . Sending ❤️ your way. I can't imagine the terrible heartache loosing a child would bring.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 19, 2023 15:06:47 GMT -5
I have raised this previously. Ross Bowden is not an appropriate person for this role. Think about it logically, it would be like making Donald Trump the press secretary of Joe Biden. Huge conflict of interest given his existing media profile. Noble effort, but wrong individual for the role. themaninthemirror, so who would you suggest for the role? Sorry I don't see any "conflict of interest". Ross has spoken up when others wanted to "hide" what has been happening for years. Rosalyn - not all victims of abuse want someone with limited discretion knowing their business. Think about the victim.
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Post by help on Jul 19, 2023 16:30:40 GMT -5
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Attributed to Edmund Burke, including by John F Kennedy in a speech in 1961.
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