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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2023 22:14:39 GMT -5
Meanwhile what are you doing? Bombing kids in Afghanistan and Iraq. Marching people to the death camps. Mutilating children in the name of equality. Enslaving women in the name of "feminism". Or are you going to claim to be off a free mind and therefore nothing can ever be attributed to you.... Afghanistan and Iraq: No, I'm afraid that was your guy too. The President said that God told him to attack both those countries. www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usaDeath camps: Hmmm, the only death camps I have been associated with have resulted in the deaths of fish, whitetail deer, and a few squirrels. No humans and no marching. Mutilating children in the name of equality: Sorry but chopping off body parts is another one that was authorized by Jesus. "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee. that one of thy members should perish, and not. that thy whole body should be cast into hell. " Enslaving women in the name of feminism: I have no idea of how this one works. But IF any women are slaves, they need to obey word of God in 1 Peter 2: "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." Understanding what is metaphor, literal or both seems lost on you...
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Post by chuck on May 25, 2023 22:57:35 GMT -5
I have quickly come to realize the "spirit" as we friends and workers know it is not necessarily the Holy Spirit that we read of in the Bible. It is in many cases a false spirit, with the outward appearance of good fruit, but with absolutely no discernment of the intentions of the heart. How many predators like Dean Bruer have a "beautiful, sincere prayer and testimony" appreciated by those in the meeting and the next hour are dancing with their father the Devil? Very unfortunately I'm in the camp of not having this discernment either. We're mostly clueless. Ananias and Sapphira would have got one past me. More soul-searching required. It was an epiphany for me when I came to realise that idolatry is putting worth to things we ascribe to God, representations of God that are not God. God's work has always been to create man in God's image. Man prefers to create God in man's image. Luke 17:20 One day the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will the Kingdom of God come?” Jesus replied, “The Kingdom of God can’t be detected by visible signs. 21 You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.(Or is within you, or is in your grasp.)” One way I would describe "The Kingdom of God" is any situation absent hell.....or any place we dont bring hell.....
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Post by CherieKropp on May 26, 2023 7:22:19 GMT -5
Remarriage was not permitted in Deut. 24 IF in the meantime, either of them were married and divorced to another.
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Post by plp on May 26, 2023 10:19:43 GMT -5
This is what is happening in our church in 2023: (The church that a not small number of well-wisher/'hopeful optimist' TMB posters are predicting and hoping for the demise of its ministry and the 'cult' generally if possible!) 'Get them all back to mainline churches where Christ can be found.'
"A number of years ago two young people got married in atheist country that has limited freedom of religion. They had a family, things did not go well in their marriage and they were divorced. The young divorcee moved to a country where there is freedom of religion. She was interested in Christianity, and 'by chance' she met one of our the friends. As a result she attended gospel meetings. She listened, she believed and she found Christ and embraced him with all her heart. The years passed a child, now a young teenager made their personal commitment to Christ (the 'awful corrupted, all but finished workers' probably had some influence on her! ) The years passed, the ex husband went to this same country. He 'foolishly' started attending gospel meetings of the '2x2s' and their workers also . The Gospel of Jesus Christ began affecting his life also. He too in the course of time, let his commitment to following Jesus be known. " footnote These two have plans to renew/reaffirm the marriage vows they first made decades ago. A testimony to the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ and this transforming power working in lives in 2023!😀"
(In contrast to some posts on TMB ; these are true facts.) All Christians everywhere should rejoice on hearing that others have trusted Christ and begun to follow him. All Christians everywhere should pray that they these same people would continue with the same focus ie trusting in, and following Christ. It's easy to go wrong on this as explained in this clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDl8euKhd3UHopefully you will like this guy - his background is Scottish !
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Post by snow on May 26, 2023 13:50:14 GMT -5
What did she say that wasn't true? Most what of she wrote is untrue. She is one of those "Christians" who love nothing better than condemning others to Hell. I doubt she spends any time unleashing her hatred Christian love on the wider degenerate Christian churches such as the JW/RC or even Islam. I must have missed that. I have never seen her condemn anyone to hell but I haven't read every post so maybe it's there somewhere. I do agree with some of what she says, not all. I am an atheist so I disagree that any religion is better than another, and that one denomination of a religion is better than another. I find Christians from different branches of Christianity fighting over who is right to be somewhat puzzling. You all agree that your God is a loving God and that Jesus died for your sins. What else is there really.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 26, 2023 14:11:11 GMT -5
This is what is happening in our church in 2023:
All Christians everywhere should rejoice on hearing that others have trusted Christ and begun to follow him. All Christians everywhere should pray that they these same people would continue with the same focus ie trusting in, and following Christ. It's easy to go wrong on this as explained in this clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDl8euKhd3UHopefully you will like this guy - his background is Scottish ! a)Elizabeth Coleman claims a 'rejoice exemption' (doesn't count/it's not for real when it happens in the 'cult' she left). Her posts on this thread (and many others) reveal her soul and 'christian spirit' or as another poster commented on Elizabeth : "You are such a shining example of a life complete in Christ."
b) chuck has a similar struggle "It is your presupposition that it is Christ and the Holy Spirit. Take away the rituals and traditions that are fundemental to your presupposition and what is left........"
c) fixit.... oh he's still in the cult and has for decades hosted a Sunday morning meeting in home but .... a 'par for the (fixit) course response from him'..... "I guess the goal is to produce more Christians than Atheists in 2023?" d) oh then there is openingact34 but that guy is so bizarre, his nonsense is at even another level. 'Righteous good christians' who unselfishly give of their time and lives on TMB to point out all that is wrong with the 2x2 cult. (but don't ask them to look inwardly) 🤨 Now let's watch them come back in their self justification or someone else of the same/a similar agenda and mindset stepping up to justify their responses.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 26, 2023 14:29:26 GMT -5
'TMB 101' a) Have a crack at the workers and 'the system' with facts or otherwise...and be popular and get lots of 'likes' to your posts. b) Question allegations or post uncomfortable truth about... the posters who live to post about workers and 'the system' with facts or otherwise... and be vilified and despised for it.
Give me b) any day.
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Post by Dan on May 26, 2023 14:32:51 GMT -5
All Christians everywhere should rejoice on hearing that others have trusted Christ and begun to follow him. All Christians everywhere should pray that they these same people would continue with the same focus ie trusting in, and following Christ. It's easy to go wrong on this as explained in this clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDl8euKhd3UHopefully you will like this guy - his background is Scottish ! a)Elizabeth Coleman claims a 'rejoice exemption' (doesn't count/it's not for real when it happens in the 'cult' she left). Her posts on this thread (and many others) reveal her soul and 'christian spirit' or as another poster commented on Elizabeth : "You are such a shining example of a life complete in Christ."
b) chuck has a similar struggle "It is your presupposition that it is Christ and the Holy Spirit. Take away the rituals and traditions that are fundemental to your presupposition and what is left........"
c) fixit.... oh he's still in the cult and has for decades hosted a Sunday morning meeting in home but .... a 'par for the (fixit) course response from him'..... "I guess the goal is to produce more Christians than Atheists in 2023?" d) oh then there is openingact34 but that guy is so bizarre, his nonsense is at even another level. 'Righteous good christians' who unselfishly give of their time and lives on TMB to point out all that is wrong with the 2x2 cult. (but don't ask them to look inwardly) 🤨 Now let's watch them come back in their self justification or someone else of the same/a similar agenda and mindset stepping up to justify their responses.
Not too many normal people on here, you generally get negative responses to anything you post. Everyone has a bias, everyone points fingers, sometimes its from something lacking in their own lives (Me thinks thou doth protest too much). I don't claim to be normal myself, just semi-rational.
I'm flying to Florida in an hour for Memorial Day weekend, seeing family there and sister Worker, so I've got to get into professing mode to pull-off normal. Be back late Monday night. I don't think my sister even knows about the ministry safe program, but I'll find out.
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Post by snow on May 26, 2023 14:50:12 GMT -5
All Christians everywhere should rejoice on hearing that others have trusted Christ and begun to follow him. All Christians everywhere should pray that they these same people would continue with the same focus ie trusting in, and following Christ. It's easy to go wrong on this as explained in this clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDl8euKhd3UHopefully you will like this guy - his background is Scottish ! a)Elizabeth Coleman claims a 'rejoice exemption' (doesn't count/it's not for real when it happens in the 'cult' she left). Her posts on this thread (and many others) reveal her soul and 'christian spirit' or as another poster commented on Elizabeth : "You are such a shining example of a life complete in Christ."
b) chuck has a similar struggle "It is your presupposition that it is Christ and the Holy Spirit. Take away the rituals and traditions that are fundemental to your presupposition and what is left........"
c) fixit.... oh he's still in the cult and has for decades hosted a Sunday morning meeting in home but .... a 'par for the (fixit) course response from him'..... "I guess the goal is to produce more Christians than Atheists in 2023?" d) oh then there is openingact34 but that guy is so bizarre, his nonsense is at even another level. 'Righteous good christians' who unselfishly give of their time and lives on TMB to point out all that is wrong with the 2x2 cult. (but don't ask them to look inwardly) 🤨 Now let's watch them come back in their self justification or someone else of the same/a similar agenda and mindset stepping up to justify their responses. I'm not sure Elizabeth thinks that no one can have joy in the 2x2 group. Maybe I'm wrong. But personally I think that would be very incorrect. I know of many people who do enjoy the 2x2 way of meetings in the home etc. What they don't like is what is happening right now. That's why it's important to figure out solutions so that people can still enjoy fellowship in the 2x2 group and also be as safe as possible at the same time.
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Post by snow on May 26, 2023 14:52:29 GMT -5
a)Elizabeth Coleman claims a 'rejoice exemption' (doesn't count/it's not for real when it happens in the 'cult' she left). Her posts on this thread (and many others) reveal her soul and 'christian spirit' or as another poster commented on Elizabeth : "You are such a shining example of a life complete in Christ."
b) chuck has a similar struggle "It is your presupposition that it is Christ and the Holy Spirit. Take away the rituals and traditions that are fundemental to your presupposition and what is left........"
c) fixit.... oh he's still in the cult and has for decades hosted a Sunday morning meeting in home but .... a 'par for the (fixit) course response from him'..... "I guess the goal is to produce more Christians than Atheists in 2023?" d) oh then there is openingact34 but that guy is so bizarre, his nonsense is at even another level. 'Righteous good christians' who unselfishly give of their time and lives on TMB to point out all that is wrong with the 2x2 cult. (but don't ask them to look inwardly) 🤨 Now let's watch them come back in their self justification or someone else of the same/a similar agenda and mindset stepping up to justify their responses.
Not too many normal people on here, you generally get negative responses to anything you post. Everyone has a bias, everyone points fingers, sometimes its from something lacking in their own lives (Me thinks thou doth protest too much). I don't claim to be normal myself, just semi-rational. I'm flying to Florida in an hour for Memorial Day weekend, seeing family there and sister Worker, so I've got to get into professing mode to pull-off normal. Be back late Monday night. I don't think my sister even knows about the ministry safe program, but I'll find out.
lol good post. Define normal... Safe travels and enjoy family and friends.
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Post by Grant on May 26, 2023 15:43:05 GMT -5
'TMB 101' a) Have a crack at the workers and 'the system' with facts or otherwise...and be popular and get lots of 'likes' to your posts. b) Question allegations or post uncomfortable truth about... the posters who live to post about workers and 'the system' with facts or otherwise... and be vilified and despised for it. Give me b) any day. So why do you despise Elizabeth for posting allegations and uncomfortable truths about the workers and system with facts? Likes are often given by posters who agree with what is being said. It's verification that they agree likely due to their experience too. Your dislike of Elizabeth goes deeper than this board. It is obvious you don't like that she write the book about your church. You certainly felt challenged by her posting about how to be saved.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 26, 2023 16:11:16 GMT -5
'TMB 101' a) Have a crack at the workers and 'the system' with facts or otherwise...and be popular and get lots of 'likes' to your posts. b) Question allegations or post uncomfortable truth about... the posters who live to post about workers and 'the system' with facts or otherwise... and be vilified and despised for it. Give me b) any day. So why do you despise Elizabeth for posting allegations and uncomfortable truths about the workers and system with facts? Likes are often given by posters who agree with what is being said. It's verification that they agree likely due to their experience too. Your dislike of Elizabeth goes deeper than this board. It is obvious you don't like that she write the book about your church. You certainly felt challenged by her posting about how to be saved. Enuf, I KNEW you would come to Elizabeth's aid! 'Birds of a feather' ... stick with it. 👍
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Post by fixit on May 26, 2023 17:29:47 GMT -5
fixit.... oh he's still in the cult and has for decades hosted a Sunday morning meeting in home but .... a 'par for the (fixit) course response from him'..... "I guess the goal is to produce more Christians than Atheists in 2023?"
I hope that is your goal? Few on TMB would condemn Sunday morning meetings held in simplicity and humility. I share with most TMB members the desire to call out the cult-like tendencies of the organisation. If those cult-like tendencies are really important to you then of course you will despise those who reject them.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 26, 2023 17:46:46 GMT -5
fixit.... oh he's still in the cult and has for decades hosted a Sunday morning meeting in home but .... a 'par for the (fixit) course response from him'..... "I guess the goal is to produce more Christians than Atheists in 2023?"
I hope that is your goal? Few on TMB would condemn Sunday morning meetings held in simplicity and humility. I share with most TMB members the desire to call out the cult-like tendencies of the organisation. If those cult-like tendencies are really important to you then of course you will despise those who reject them. "I guess the goal is to produce more Christians than Atheists in 2023?"Says a lot more about you than your glib 'righteous' words in this post. Keep attempting to justify yourself if you wish? 🤷♂️
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2023 20:50:34 GMT -5
Remarriage was not permitted in Deut. 24 IF in the meantime, either of them were married and divorced to another. Not sure I quite follow you there but to my understanding Deut.24 says dont remarry a women you have previously divorced. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 [1]When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. [2]And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. [3]And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; [4]Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 27, 2023 1:34:00 GMT -5
Obviously you have a personal dislike of this person. I actually I like most people. But I'm not too fussed on the hypocrisy, agenda and bias/lack of objectivity of this poster and a few other such posters. I have no compunction of calling them on a few things. This guy has been at it for decades.... and... I guess will continue it as long as he is able. 🤷♂️ 'god speed' to him. As you say Bob: "There is no thought police on here." .... except for when I post? You've had no policing here. You just have to be a big boy and remember that you aren't the etiquette queen. You will know when you're being policed. You will be punished for breaking the rules, and you will be appropriately notified.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 27, 2023 1:37:02 GMT -5
It's like this on TMB Bob: Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. go figure. Heh, I don't question you either. We're not here to pick each other's brains.
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Post by matisse on May 27, 2023 7:21:54 GMT -5
Afghanistan and Iraq: No, I'm afraid that was your guy too. The President said that God told him to attack both those countries. www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usaDeath camps: Hmmm, the only death camps I have been associated with have resulted in the deaths of fish, whitetail deer, and a few squirrels. No humans and no marching. Mutilating children in the name of equality: Sorry but chopping off body parts is another one that was authorized by Jesus. "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee. that one of thy members should perish, and not. that thy whole body should be cast into hell. " Enslaving women in the name of feminism: I have no idea of how this one works. But IF any women are slaves, they need to obey word of God in 1 Peter 2: "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." Understanding what is metaphor, literal or both seems lost on you... "Metaphor" is an escape hatch for believers when literal is unconscienable.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2023 9:55:36 GMT -5
Understanding what is metaphor, literal or both seems lost on you... "Metaphor" is an escape hatch for believers when literal is unconscienable. matisse opinion matisse bias
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Post by matisse on May 27, 2023 12:05:42 GMT -5
It's like this on TMB Bob: Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. go figure. You appear to have wally firmly in your court cheering you on. Wally's an "Internet Worker" as well as a "Watchman" here on TMB.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 27, 2023 15:00:24 GMT -5
It's like this on TMB Bob: Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. go figure. You appear to have wally firmly in your court cheering you on. Wally's an "Internet Worker" as well as a "Watchman" here on TMB. Matisse So this is your attempt to deflect from this TMB truth? Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. Well I'm not in Wally's court cheering him on with all his mad guns rights stuff. We sadly and cynically from afar observe the ... weekly? (maybe not quite weekly) news reports of the mass gun shootings in the US. SOME Americans have not yet worked out the connection between gun rights/loose gun laws/2nd amendment rights.... and mass gun shootings. But of course as NRA types say.... "Remember guns don't shot people, people shoot people". Are you are cheerleader of the NRA type as well as of those the 'who slag the workers and 'the system' here?
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Post by fixit on May 27, 2023 15:31:30 GMT -5
You appear to have wally firmly in your court cheering you on. Wally's an "Internet Worker" as well as a "Watchman" here on TMB. Matisse So this is your attempt to deflect from this TMB truth? Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up.
Divide and rule is unhelpful. TMB posters want the fellowship's children better protected from abusers going forward. How do you think that could be accomplished?
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Post by guest8 on May 27, 2023 16:25:37 GMT -5
I have quickly come to realize the "spirit" as we friends and workers know it is not necessarily the Holy Spirit that we read of in the Bible. It is in many cases a false spirit, with the outward appearance of good fruit, but with absolutely no discernment of the intentions of the heart. How many predators like Dean Bruer have a "beautiful, sincere prayer and testimony" appreciated by those in the meeting and the next hour are dancing with their father the Devil? Very unfortunately I'm in the camp of not having this discernment either. We're mostly clueless. Ananias and Sapphira would have got one past me. More soul-searching required. It was an epiphany for me when I came to realise that idolatry is putting worth to things we ascribe to God, representations of God that are not God. God's work has always been to create man in God's image. Man prefers to create God in man's image. Luke 17:20 One day the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will the Kingdom of God come?” Jesus replied, “The Kingdom of God can’t be detected by visible signs. 21 You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.(Or is within you, or is in your grasp.)”n Last paragraph: - That was the point Ada C. worker used to make. ( Oh gee way back!)
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2023 17:34:52 GMT -5
It's like this on TMB Bob: Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. go figure. You appear to have wally firmly in your court cheering you on. Wally's an "Internet Worker" as well as a "Watchman" here on TMB. Only on a couple issues liar. Nope I'm just a watchmen you've confused me with Nathan, not surprised some memories on here last seconds...
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Post by believingjesus on May 27, 2023 19:07:54 GMT -5
I’d wait to see if the marriage actually works out (the second time) before becoming so smarmy.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 27, 2023 19:57:00 GMT -5
I’d wait to see if the marriage actually works out (the second time) before becoming so smarmy. pm you when it happens? Or would that even more smarmy for you? That something of Christ and the Holy Spirit happens in the '2x2 cult'? A reality you'd rather not face? It's too much for elizabethcoleman, fixit, chuck, mrbalino, matisse, pragmatic, openingact23, all that type of poster.
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Post by believingjesus on May 27, 2023 21:58:39 GMT -5
I’d wait to see if the marriage actually works out (the second time) before becoming so smarmy. pm you when it happens? Or would that even more smarmy for you? That something of Christ and the Holy Spirit happens in the '2x2 cult'? A reality you'd rather not face? It's too much for elizabethcoleman, fixit, chuck, mrbalino, matisse, pragmatic, openingact23, all that type of poster. So in 20 years? In spite of my name I’m not a believer so I’m not sure how most of this applies to me? I do however find your posting style rubs me the wrong way. You come off as smug and a little too sure of yourself. You also seem very convinced of other people’s “otherness,” as if everyone on the board is out to get you.
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2023 22:41:24 GMT -5
Not too many normal people on here, you generally get negative responses to anything you post. Everyone has a bias, everyone points fingers, sometimes its from something lacking in their own lives (Me thinks thou doth protest too much). I don't claim to be normal myself, just semi-rational. I'm flying to Florida in an hour for Memorial Day weekend, seeing family there and sister Worker, so I've got to get into professing mode to pull-off normal. Be back late Monday night. I don't think my sister even knows about the ministry safe program, but I'll find out.
"professing mode"... haha Good luck, safe travels Dan!
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