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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 14:33:41 GMT -5
Is there some reason why you attack? Compassion for those who have been harmed is a very Christlike trait. She has been harmed so why would she be pro 'F&W's church'. There seems to be a significant double standard. Her false accusations are just that, why is she allowed to falsely accuse and then in the next breathe claim to be a follower of Christ? I never said she should be pro anything, but she does claim to have found Christ and I am saying she doesn't demonstrate it. Where is her compassion? or is this the next double standard? Exactly! Elizabeth a double standard? How unkind to suggest that of her. "ad hominem" she will respond. I'm personally not very attracted to venomous 'christ' that Elizabeth has found on exiting the '2x2 cult'. But of course readers/posters with a bias against 'the cult' cheer and clap with her each: "form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult." "hung around and continued to support and mentor the continual stream of exes" "our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group," pronouncements.
Oh there pages and pages of it from our christian lady who: "- I only come on here every few years, with long breaks inbetween. The rest of the time I am indeed living a very happy life far away from all this, and with true freedom in Christ."
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 14:42:14 GMT -5
There seems to be a significant double standard. Her false accusations are just that, why is she allowed to falsely accuse and then in the next breathe claim to be a follower of Christ? I never said she should be pro anything, but she does claim to have found Christ and I am saying she doesn't demonstrate it. Where is her compassion? or is this the next double standard? Exactly! Elizabeth a double standard? How unkind to suggest that of her. "ad hominem" she will respond. I'm personally not very attracted to venomous 'christ' that Elizabeth has found on exiting the '2x2 cult'. But of course readers/posters with a bias against 'the cult' cheer and clap with her each: "form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult." "hung around and continued to support and mentor the continual stream of exes" "our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group," pronouncements.
Oh there pages and pages of it from our christian lady who: "- I only come on here every few years, with long breaks inbetween. The rest of the time I am indeed living a very happy life far away from all this, and with true freedom in Christ." I'm personally repelled by the venomous 'christ' that our long-time resident TMB worker portrays.
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Post by Grant on May 25, 2023 14:45:23 GMT -5
There seems to be a significant double standard. Her false accusations are just that, why is she allowed to falsely accuse and then in the next breathe claim to be a follower of Christ? I never said she should be pro anything, but she does claim to have found Christ and I am saying she doesn't demonstrate it. Where is her compassion? or is this the next double standard? Exactly! Elizabeth a double standard? How unkind to suggest that of her. "ad hominem" she will respond. I'm personally not very attracted to venomous 'christ' that Elizabeth has found on exiting the '2x2 cult'. But of course readers/posters with a bias against 'the cult' cheer and clap with her each: "form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult." "hung around and continued to support and mentor the continual stream of exes" "our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group," pronouncements.
Oh there pages and pages of it from our christian lady who: "- I only come on here every few years, with long breaks inbetween. The rest of the time I am indeed living a very happy life far away from all this, and with true freedom in Christ." Mmmmm.. seems fishy to me. Man in the mirror is looking more like the mirror image of International Studies to me.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 14:57:07 GMT -5
Exactly! Elizabeth a double standard? How unkind to suggest that of her. "ad hominem" she will respond. I'm personally not very attracted to venomous 'christ' that Elizabeth has found on exiting the '2x2 cult'. But of course readers/posters with a bias against 'the cult' cheer and clap with her each: "form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult." "hung around and continued to support and mentor the continual stream of exes" "our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group," pronouncements.
Oh there pages and pages of it from our christian lady who: "- I only come on here every few years, with long breaks inbetween. The rest of the time I am indeed living a very happy life far away from all this, and with true freedom in Christ." Mmmmm.. seems fishy to me. Man in the mirror is looking more like the mirror image of International Studies to me. LOVE IT! Was waiting for a 'conspiracy theorist poster to come up with their latest 'truth' (it must be true I read it on TMB!) I cannot not thank you enuf!
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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 14:58:40 GMT -5
Exactly! Elizabeth a double standard? How unkind to suggest that of her. "ad hominem" she will respond. I'm personally not very attracted to venomous 'christ' that Elizabeth has found on exiting the '2x2 cult'. But of course readers/posters with a bias against 'the cult' cheer and clap with her each: "form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult." "hung around and continued to support and mentor the continual stream of exes" "our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group," pronouncements.
Oh there pages and pages of it from our christian lady who: "- I only come on here every few years, with long breaks inbetween. The rest of the time I am indeed living a very happy life far away from all this, and with true freedom in Christ." I'm personally repelled by the venomous 'christ' that our long-time resident TMB worker portrays. as I am of the 'christ' you present in your ..'other life'... here on TMB 🤷♂️ I notice 'home truth' ruffles you.....when it isn't according to your agenda and bias. 🤷♂️ But 'go for you life'! Your thousands of posts seems to be 'your life'?
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 15:47:13 GMT -5
I'm personally repelled by the venomous 'christ' that our long-time resident TMB worker portrays. as I am of the 'christ' you present in your ..'other life'... here on TMB 🤷♂️ I notice 'home truth' ruffles you.....when it isn't according to your agenda and bias. 🤷♂️ But 'go for you life'! Your thousands of posts seems to be 'your life'? It's hard to keep track of your thousands of posts because you've used so many avatars.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 16:02:47 GMT -5
as I am of the 'christ' you present in your ..'other life'... here on TMB 🤷♂️ I notice 'home truth' ruffles you.....when it isn't according to your agenda and bias. 🤷♂️ But 'go for you life'! Your thousands of posts seems to be 'your life'? It's hard to keep track of your thousands of posts because you've used so many avatars. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. You are audacious and courageous in your 'other life' here on TMB... if nothing else! 👍
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Post by themaninthemirror on May 25, 2023 16:06:54 GMT -5
There seems to be a significant double standard. Her false accusations are just that, why is she allowed to falsely accuse and then in the next breathe claim to be a follower of Christ? I never said she should be pro anything, but she does claim to have found Christ and I am saying she doesn't demonstrate it. Where is her compassion? or is this the next double standard? What did she say that wasn't true? Most what of she wrote is untrue. She is one of those "Christians" who love nothing better than condemning others to Hell. I doubt she spends any time unleashing her hatred Christian love on the wider degenerate Christian churches such as the JW/RC or even Islam.
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Post by openingact34 on May 25, 2023 16:09:17 GMT -5
Exactly! Elizabeth a double standard? How unkind to suggest that of her. "ad hominem" she will respond. I'm personally not very attracted to venomous 'christ' that Elizabeth has found on exiting the '2x2 cult'. But of course readers/posters with a bias against 'the cult' cheer and clap with her each: "form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult." "hung around and continued to support and mentor the continual stream of exes" "our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group," pronouncements.
Oh there pages and pages of it from our christian lady who: "- I only come on here every few years, with long breaks inbetween. The rest of the time I am indeed living a very happy life far away from all this, and with true freedom in Christ." I'm personally repelled by the venomous 'christ' that our long-time resident TMB worker portrays. The venomous Christ is in your Bible too. But cafeteria Christians like yourself don't want to read your Bible and acknowledge the toxicity spewing out of heaven. So what if internationalstudies is charging through TMB flipping over a few tables, whipping a few insolent elders, calling a few women dogs who deserve it, and hanging out with violent child predators like Moses?
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Post by themaninthemirror on May 25, 2023 16:15:50 GMT -5
I'm personally repelled by the venomous 'christ' that our long-time resident TMB worker portrays. The venomous Christ is in your Bible too. But cafeteria Christians like yourself don't want to read your Bible and acknowledge the toxicity spewing out of heaven. So what if internationalstudies is charging through TMB flipping over a few tables, whipping a few insolent elders, calling a few women dogs who deserve it, and hanging out with violent child predators like Moses? Meanwhile what are you doing? Bombing kids in Afghanistan and Iraq. Marching people to the death camps. Mutilating children in the name of equality. Enslaving women in the name of "feminism". Or are you going to claim to be off a free mind and therefore nothing can ever be attributed to you....
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 16:22:21 GMT -5
What did she say that wasn't true? Most what of she wrote is untrue. She is one of those "Christians" who love nothing better than condemning others to Hell. I doubt she spends any time unleashing her hatred Christian love on the wider degenerate Christian churches such as the JW/RC or even Islam. The "wider degenerate Christian churches such as the JW/RC or even Islam" did not cause her a whole lot of stress and anxiety in her youth.
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 16:27:46 GMT -5
It's hard to keep track of your thousands of posts because you've used so many avatars. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. You are audacious and courageous in your 'other life' here on TMB... if nothing else! 👍 You could do with some courage youself... Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. ~ Romans 13:13 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery. ~ Galatians 5:19 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. ~ Ephesians 5:11
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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 16:35:34 GMT -5
People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. You are audacious and courageous in your 'other life' here on TMB... if nothing else! 👍 You could do with some courage youself... Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. ~ Romans 13:13 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery. ~ Galatians 5:19 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. ~ Ephesians 5:11 Using the Holy Scripture, thinking it gives a veneer of respectability and credibility to your agenda and mindset.
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Post by matisse on May 25, 2023 16:47:23 GMT -5
I'm personally repelled by the venomous 'christ' that our long-time resident TMB worker portrays. as I am of the 'christ' you present in your ..'other life'... here on TMB 🤷♂️ I notice 'home truth' ruffles you.....when it isn't according to your agenda and bias. 🤷♂️ But 'go for you life'! Your thousands of posts seems to be 'your life'? Your average number of posts per day as "international studies" is running slightly higher than fixit's.
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Post by themaninthemirror on May 25, 2023 16:55:00 GMT -5
Most what of she wrote is untrue. She is one of those "Christians" who love nothing better than condemning others to Hell. I doubt she spends any time unleashing her hatred Christian love on the wider degenerate Christian churches such as the JW/RC or even Islam. The "wider degenerate Christian churches such as the JW/RC or even Islam" did not cause her a whole lot of stress and anxiety in her youth. Neither did the many people she is attacking by association, she is attacking a whole group based on her experience. This is like calling all muslims terrorists or all jews zionists... going by that logic. Surprising that a Christian would think that way... Oh and for the record my lambasting "those outside the group (exes) regarding CSA/SA issues, when in reality they're the ones holding the workers accountable" was her response to me asking for clarity on sloppy statements that say "allegations" and then "crime committed". When a 2x2 makes a sloppy statement her Christian loves comes straight out in her response. Me asking for specifics of allegations when it could range from a category 4 hug or a category 1 rape is not "lambasting" that is what everyone asks when they go to the justice system. I am certain if Elizabeths husband was accused of something, she would want it stated what the accusation was. But hey, when its a worker or a man shes never met or spoken to or seen, just a man she knows is associated with a group she hates... its all well and good to blindly cheer it on and not provide any detail of the charge. Here is an example of a clearly stated allegation. At least here we know what we are dealing with. But I suspect Elizabeth wants us all to think its category 1. wingsfortruth.info/2023/05/25/ken-pinney-removed-from-the-work-in-nc-va-md-d/.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2023 16:59:28 GMT -5
Is there some reason why you attack? Compassion for those who have been harmed is a very Christlike trait. She has been harmed so why would she be pro 'F&W's church'. There seems to be a significant double standard. Her false accusations are just that, why is she allowed to falsely accuse and then in the next breathe claim to be a follower of Christ? I never said she should be pro anything, but she does claim to have found Christ and I am saying she doesn't demonstrate it. Where is her compassion? or is this the next double standard? You and she are both entitled to say what you think. There is no thought police on here.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2023 17:01:18 GMT -5
Exactly! Elizabeth a double standard? How unkind to suggest that of her. "ad hominem" she will respond. I'm personally not very attracted to venomous 'christ' that Elizabeth has found on exiting the '2x2 cult'. But of course readers/posters with a bias against 'the cult' cheer and clap with her each: "form groups and then forums to support, encourage, debrief each other over wasted years in a cult." "hung around and continued to support and mentor the continual stream of exes" "our loved ones and families are still in bondage to the group," pronouncements.
Oh there pages and pages of it from our christian lady who: "- I only come on here every few years, with long breaks inbetween. The rest of the time I am indeed living a very happy life far away from all this, and with true freedom in Christ." Mmmmm.. seems fishy to me. Man in the mirror is looking more like the mirror image of International Studies to me. Same brush, I believe.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2023 17:02:47 GMT -5
I'm personally repelled by the venomous 'christ' that our long-time resident TMB worker portrays. as I am of the 'christ' you present in your ..'other life'... here on TMB 🤷♂️ I notice 'home truth' ruffles you.....when it isn't according to your agenda and bias. 🤷♂️ But 'go for you life'! Your thousands of posts seems to be 'your life'? Obviously you have a personal dislike of this person.
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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 17:55:41 GMT -5
as I am of the 'christ' you present in your ..'other life'... here on TMB 🤷♂️ I notice 'home truth' ruffles you.....when it isn't according to your agenda and bias. 🤷♂️ But 'go for you life'! Your thousands of posts seems to be 'your life'? Obviously you have a personal dislike of this person. I actually I like most people. But I'm not too fussed on the hypocrisy, agenda and bias/lack of objectivity of this poster and a few other such posters. I have no compunction of calling them on a few things. This guy has been at it for decades.... and... I guess will continue it as long as he is able. 🤷♂️ 'god speed' to him. As you say Bob: "There is no thought police on here." .... except for when I post?
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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 18:37:55 GMT -5
It's like this on TMB Bob: Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. go figure.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2023 18:38:46 GMT -5
People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. You are audacious and courageous in your 'other life' here on TMB... if nothing else! 👍 You could do with some courage youself... Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. ~ Romans 13:13 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery. ~ Galatians 5:19 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. ~ Ephesians 5:11 You've broken those several times...
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Post by openingact34 on May 25, 2023 18:41:23 GMT -5
The venomous Christ is in your Bible too. But cafeteria Christians like yourself don't want to read your Bible and acknowledge the toxicity spewing out of heaven. So what if internationalstudies is charging through TMB flipping over a few tables, whipping a few insolent elders, calling a few women dogs who deserve it, and hanging out with violent child predators like Moses? Meanwhile what are you doing? Bombing kids in Afghanistan and Iraq. Marching people to the death camps. Mutilating children in the name of equality. Enslaving women in the name of "feminism". Or are you going to claim to be off a free mind and therefore nothing can ever be attributed to you.... Afghanistan and Iraq: No, I'm afraid that was your guy too. The President said that God told him to attack both those countries. www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usaDeath camps: Hmmm, the only death camps I have been associated with have resulted in the deaths of fish, whitetail deer, and a few squirrels. No humans and no marching. Mutilating children in the name of equality: Sorry but chopping off body parts is another one that was authorized by Jesus. "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee. that one of thy members should perish, and not. that thy whole body should be cast into hell. " Enslaving women in the name of feminism: I have no idea of how this one works. But IF any women are slaves, they need to obey word of God in 1 Peter 2: "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 18:52:49 GMT -5
You could do with some courage youself... Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. ~ Romans 13:13 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery. ~ Galatians 5:19 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. ~ Ephesians 5:11 Using the Holy Scripture, thinking it gives a veneer of respectability and credibility to your agenda and mindset. If respectabilty was my agenda I would bow down and worship your kingdom. Then you would consider me "hearty" and "kingdom minded", a "pillar of the faith". I probably would have made a point of introducing myself to Dean Bruer and left a tribute praising such a wonderful servant of God who was such a spiritual inspiration and help to so many. A colleague on your staff wrote:We have been sharing in the loss with you all but also in the inspiration of Dean’s godly committed life. So thankful to be able to share in the service today and say Amen to all shared. Our prayers are with those who continue to shoulder the responsibility there. Another colleague on your staff wrote:I am thankful to have heard Dean when he was in NZ in 2007 & 2016 I think. Very grateful to watch the livestream- you learn more about a person at their funeral. His hymns were inspiring. During the first lockdown in NSW, Australia in 2020, a friend spoke to me about his message on Lighthouses & shared the notes. They, like his life, were not easily forgotten. Deepest sympathy to his family & all the staffs he has laboured with. Some other New Zealanders wrote:We can hardly express feeling the oneness of Gods Holy Spirit from across the world. As was prayed “ The influence of the day would enrich us” Feel so encouraged by all that was spoken of this wonderful servant of God. One day we will meet him if we keep true to the end. It was a great privilege to be able to listen in to Deans service today here in New Zealand Really confirming that we are part of a great family with the same purpose and aim in life to one day being met together around the throne and join in the song of the redeemed. We were privileged to have met Dean when he was amongst a group of us who walked the Routeburn Track in NZ Jan 1976. It was evident then that he had thoughts of a higher calling.and it was very special to see him many years later and to hear him speak at our NZ conventions. A special man. Dean was at Ngaere convention, New Zealand a few years back maybe 2017. Valued his ministry. We first met Dean at Ngaere Convention 1975 in New Zealand when He came with Mike Robertson. The two boys came and stayed with us at our farm afterwards. We have been privileged to spend time with Dean a number of times since and have received many letters and Hymns from him over the years. Lovely to share his funeral from afar, any time we have heard from Dean it has helped us climb the Mountain. God’s wonderful work has touched the lives of so many. Thy will be done brings great results. Listening from New Zealand.
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Post by themaninthemirror on May 25, 2023 19:07:52 GMT -5
Meanwhile what are you doing? Bombing kids in Afghanistan and Iraq. Marching people to the death camps. Mutilating children in the name of equality. Enslaving women in the name of "feminism". Or are you going to claim to be off a free mind and therefore nothing can ever be attributed to you.... Afghanistan and Iraq: No, I'm afraid that was your guy too. The President said that God told him to attack both those countries. www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usaDeath camps: Hmmm, the only death camps I have been associated with have resulted in the deaths of fish, whitetail deer, and a few squirrels. No humans and no marching. Mutilating children in the name of equality: Sorry but chopping off body parts is another one that was authorized by Jesus. "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and. cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee. that one of thy members should perish, and not. that thy whole body should be cast into hell. " Enslaving women in the name of feminism: I have no idea of how this one works. But IF any women are slaves, they need to obey word of God in 1 Peter 2: "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." Good deflections you superior being. You and Elizabeth are opposite sides of the same coin
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 19:34:46 GMT -5
It's like this on TMB Bob: Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. go figure. You have no idea what nonsense is. Why should I trust you kingdom worshippers when you're only capable of judging by the outward appearance? You'll be building on the sand until you accept that God's kingdom is in the hearts of individuals. There is a throne that this King now is seeking, Where He can His life and true blessing impart: No longer then linger; with you He is pleading; O friend, do you know that this throne is your heart?
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 19:35:42 GMT -5
You could do with some courage youself... Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. ~ Romans 13:13 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery. ~ Galatians 5:19 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. ~ Ephesians 5:11 You've broken those several times... How so?
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Post by internationalstudies on May 25, 2023 21:17:45 GMT -5
It's like this on TMB Bob: Slag the corrupt useless workers all you like and the 'system' as well. You'll have your cheerleaders and well-wishers with you all the way. But DON'T dare question any of the nonsense that these posters put up. go figure. You have no idea what nonsense is. Oh yeah? A sample of your thousands of posts gives a picture your TMB games, nonsense, agenda and bias. There are some classics amongst them!
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2023 21:54:17 GMT -5
I have quickly come to realize the "spirit" as we friends and workers know it is not necessarily the Holy Spirit that we read of in the Bible. It is in many cases a false spirit, with the outward appearance of good fruit, but with absolutely no discernment of the intentions of the heart. How many predators like Dean Bruer have a "beautiful, sincere prayer and testimony" appreciated by those in the meeting and the next hour are dancing with their father the Devil? Very unfortunately I'm in the camp of not having this discernment either. We're mostly clueless. Ananias and Sapphira would have got one past me. More soul-searching required. It was an epiphany for me when I came to realise that idolatry is putting worth to things we ascribe to God, representations of God that are not God. God's work has always been to create man in God's image. Man prefers to create God in man's image. Luke 17:20 One day the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will the Kingdom of God come?” Jesus replied, “The Kingdom of God can’t be detected by visible signs. 21 You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.(Or is within you, or is in your grasp.)”
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