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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 15:08:50 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 15:08:50 GMT -5
No international studies is here. I have achieved what I set out to do, so nothing more to say. I have challenged posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I have carefully checked my facts before doing that. If you care to reread you will see that, to the last one, they have been unable to do so. I have also revealed the hypocrisy of posters who squeal and howl about me for doing this. I don't intend getting drawn into more pointless time consuming nonsense with them. 👿🤷‍♂️ And you have answered none of my questions. Well done and welcome back to spending more pointless time on this forum. Thank you for making sure that we see that you have a keen eye for judgement and identifying hypocrisy, that’s important for self accountability. How was your breakfast? |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 29, 2023 15:12:12 GMT -5
No international studies is here. I have achieved what I set out to do, so nothing more to say. I have challenged posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I have carefully checked my facts before doing that. If you care to reread you will see that, to the last one, they have been unable to do so. I have also revealed the hypocrisy of posters who squeal and howl about me for doing this. I don't intend getting drawn into more pointless time consuming nonsense with them. 👿🤷‍♂️ And you have answered none of my questions. Well done and welcome back to spending more pointless time on this forum. Thank you for making sure that we see that you have a keen eye for judgement and identifying hypocrisy, that’s important for self accountability. How was your breakfast? and so the merry go round goes round!  👋 |
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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 15:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 15:18:39 GMT -5
And you have answered none of my questions. Well done and welcome back to spending more pointless time on this forum. Thank you for making sure that we see that you have a keen eye for judgement and identifying hypocrisy, that’s important for self accountability. How was your breakfast? and so the merry go round goes round! 👋  I actually appreciate this response. Can you at least tell the audience what you believe an individual is doing when they stand up in meeting and profess? I think this will actually help your case if you answer it. I have been getting odd reports from other parts of the world and I am struggling to see if these are regional issues or global. Please let us know what your view of standing up and professing in a meeting that you have tested means. I promise this is not a trap question. It might even build some credibility. |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 29, 2023 15:32:51 GMT -5
and so the merry go round goes round! đź‘‹ I actually appreciate this response. Can you at least tell the audience what you believe an individual is doing when they stand up in meeting and profess? I think this will actually help your case if you answer it. I have been getting odd reports from other parts of the world and I am struggling to see if these are regional issues or global. Please let us know what your view of standing up and professing in a meeting that you have tested means. I promise this is not a trap question. It might even build some credibility. I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. |
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 15:41:52 GMT -5
I actually appreciate this response. Can you at least tell the audience what you believe an individual is doing when they stand up in meeting and profess? I think this will actually help your case if you answer it. I have been getting odd reports from other parts of the world and I am struggling to see if these are regional issues or global. Please let us know what your view of standing up and professing in a meeting that you have tested means. I promise this is not a trap question. It might even build some credibility. I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with  some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. Thanks, I thought for a moment that you had the ability to carry a dialogue. I am not sure why building credibility is not a goal of someone who is trying to find lost sheep. Perhaps you think of the posters in here as swine? |
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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 15:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 29, 2023 15:53:45 GMT -5
I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with  some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. Thanks, I thought for a moment that you had the ability to carry a dialogue. I am not sure why building credibility is not a goal of someone who is trying to find lost sheep. Perhaps you think of the posters in here as swine? As you wish. |
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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 15:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 15:54:07 GMT -5
I actually appreciate this response. Can you at least tell the audience what you believe an individual is doing when they stand up in meeting and profess? I think this will actually help your case if you answer it. I have been getting odd reports from other parts of the world and I am struggling to see if these are regional issues or global. Please let us know what your view of standing up and professing in a meeting that you have tested means. I promise this is not a trap question. It might even build some credibility. I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with  some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. What should it mean when someone professes by standing up in meeting? Try answering regardless of reason. |
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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 15:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 29, 2023 15:58:09 GMT -5
I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. Thanks, I thought for a moment that you had the ability to carry a dialogue. I am not sure why building credibility is not a goal of someone who is trying to find lost sheep. Perhaps you think of the posters in here as swine? As you wish to express your opinion. But don't expect me to be influenced or affected by your attempt at manipulation. I restate I didn't come to win plaudits or approval from you or others who are having a crack at me on this thread. I came to: "challenge posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I have carefully checked my facts before doing that. If you care to reread you will see that, to the last one, they have been unable to do so. I have also revealed the hypocrisy of posters who squeal and howl about me for doing this."
I have done that I won't be playing the foolish time wasting game of tit for tat anymore with you, fixit, pragmatic, Vinny, mrbalino, chuck, curly etc etc. đź‘‹ Try Jonathan, the new worker on the block, you might get more sense out of him? |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 29, 2023 16:09:26 GMT -5
Instead of preparing for the Sunday owning meeting, and having bread to share, he is on TMB....says a bit about him!
I can’t attend, thanks to Covid.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 29, 2023 16:14:05 GMT -5
Instead of preparing for the Sunday owning meeting, and having bread to share, he is on TMB....says a bit him! I can’t attend, thanks to Covid. Nice shot pragmatic! Perhaps I can paste:
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 29, 2023 16:25:21 GMT -5
I actually appreciate this response. Can you at least tell the audience what you believe an individual is doing when they stand up in meeting and profess? I think this will actually help your case if you answer it. I have been getting odd reports from other parts of the world and I am struggling to see if these are regional issues or global. Please let us know what your view of standing up and professing in a meeting that you have tested means. I promise this is not a trap question. It might even build some credibility. I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. The only uncomfortable truth you are confronting me with is the one where you seem to be in the business of protecting perverts. |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 29, 2023 16:26:44 GMT -5
I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. The only uncomfortable truth you are confronting me with is the one where you seem to be in the business of protecting perverts. the pointless tit for tat merry go round. 🤷‍♂️👋 |
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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 16:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 16:35:00 GMT -5
Thanks, I thought for a moment that you had the ability to carry a dialogue. I am not sure why building credibility is not a goal of someone who is trying to find lost sheep. Perhaps you think of the posters in here as swine? As you wish to express your opinion. But don't expect me to be influenced or affected by your attempt at manipulation. I restate I didn't come to win plaudits or approval from you or others who are having a crack at me on this thread. I came to: "challenge posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I have carefully checked my facts before doing that. If you care to reread you will see that, to the last one, they have been unable to do so. I have also revealed the hypocrisy of posters who squeal and howl about me for doing this."
I have done that I won't be playing the foolish time wasting game of tit for tat anymore with you, fixit, pragmatic, Vinny, mrbalino, chuck, curly etc etc. đź‘‹ Try Jonathan, the new worker on the block, you might get more sense out of him? You really could help and you choose not to, why am I not surprised. Credibility is a vital characteristic that is essential for anyone who holds a position of power or authority. This is especially true for ministers, who are entrusted with a significant amount of responsibility and power within their respective communities. The credibility of a minister is crucial because it plays a critical role in establishing trust and confidence among the people they serve. In this essay, we will examine the reasons why the credibility of a minister matters and its impact on their effectiveness in carrying out their duties. First and foremost, the credibility of a minister is important because it affects their ability to lead and influence others. Ministers are often looked upon as role models and guides by their followers, and their actions and words carry a significant amount of weight. If a minister lacks credibility, their followers may become disillusioned and lose faith in their ability to lead. This can lead to a loss of trust, which can ultimately undermine the effectiveness of the minister's leadership. Furthermore, the credibility of a minister is essential because it impacts their ability to communicate effectively with their congregation. Effective communication is a critical component of ministerial work, as it allows ministers to convey important messages, provide guidance and support, and build relationships with their followers. However, if a minister lacks credibility, their words may fall on deaf ears. People may be less likely to listen to a minister who they do not trust, which can make it difficult for the minister to effectively communicate their message and establish a meaningful connection with their followers. Another reason why the credibility of a minister matters is that it can affect their ability to make decisions and implement policies. Ministers are often responsible for making decisions that affect the lives of their followers, and they must have the credibility to ensure that these decisions are respected and followed. If a minister lacks credibility, their decisions may be questioned or even ignored, which can lead to confusion and chaos within the community. Therefore, a minister must be seen as a trustworthy and credible figure to ensure that their decisions are respected and followed. In addition, the credibility of a minister is important because it affects the reputation of their community. A minister is often seen as the public face of their community, and their actions and words can impact the way that others view the community as a whole. If a minister lacks credibility, this can reflect poorly on the entire community, which can have far-reaching consequences. For example, if a minister is caught in a scandal or accused of wrongdoing, this can damage the reputation of the community and lead to a loss of respect from others. Moreover, the credibility of a minister is essential because it impacts the financial well-being of their community. Churches and other religious organizations rely on the financial support of their followers to carry out their mission and maintain their operations. However, if a minister lacks credibility, their followers may be less likely to donate or provide financial support. This can lead to financial difficulties for the church or organization, which can impact their ability to carry out their work effectively. Finally, the credibility of a minister is important because it impacts their ability to provide emotional and spiritual support to their followers. Ministers are often called upon to provide guidance and support to their followers during times of crisis or difficulty. However, if a minister lacks credibility, their followers may be less likely to seek their help or advice. This can leave people feeling isolated and alone during times of need, which can have a negative impact on their emotional and spiritual well-being. In conclusion, the credibility of a minister is a vital characteristic that plays a significant role in their ability to lead, communicate, make decisions, and provide support to their followers. A minister who lacks credibility may struggle to establish trust and confidence among their followers, which can undermine their effectiveness as a leader. Therefore, it is essential that ministers work hard to establish and maintain their credibility, as it is essential for their success in carrying out the goal of finding lost souls. |
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 16:36:53 GMT -5
Instead of preparing for the Sunday owning meeting, and having bread to share, he is on TMB....says a bit him! I can’t attend, thanks to Covid. Give him a break I think he just had someone serve him breakfast and he is waiting for someone to serve him lunch. He has some time between meals. I’m sure tomorrows topic will be on Casting pears before swine. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 29, 2023 16:39:45 GMT -5
The only uncomfortable truth you are confronting me with is the one where you seem to be in the business of protecting perverts. the pointless tit for tat merry go round. 🤷‍♂️👋 As the narcissist accuses others of his own behaviour right on cue. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 29, 2023 16:43:02 GMT -5
Instead of preparing for the Sunday owning meeting, and having bread to share, he is on TMB....says a bit him! I can’t attend, thanks to Covid. Give him a break I think he just had someone serve him breakfast and he is waiting for someone to serve him lunch. He has some time between meals. I’m sure tomorrows topic will be on Casting pears before swine. It's Sunday morning nearly 10AM where he is currently. Obviously getting into the spirit for the meeting shortly. |
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Post by snow on Apr 29, 2023 16:56:43 GMT -5
I do not know how true any of it is. However I do believe it is accurate from what people have came forward to say. All the money is being investigated I do know that for 100% certainty. There is massive amounts of money laundering going on and have been. Because the founder of the 2x2s William Irvine was a Freemason and if you look at how things are set up it is very mason/mafiaesque. It's all a shell game with the money. Shuffled from place to place and person to person in country after country in secret. There is a large religious sect that has no public identity where there are "workers" who do not work yet they live a good life of travel. Then there are "Overseers" who run sometimes several States with hundreds of workers. They dont have jobs so where does the mo ey come from? They have many people who's entire estates have been bequeathed to the 2x2s. 2here does the money go from the estates? Where does all the "donations" go? There is a lot of nefarious things going on with the money. The rapes and pedophilia run rampant in this sect. The higher up you go the worse it gets. Believe what you want. I do know there are more secrets about this sect than there are answers because of the level of indoctrination and Co trol they have over the members. Purely based on the language and sayings it's meant to hide the truth from even it's own members. I don’t know what to believe. I am waiting for facts to emerge. I do believe there is something rotten but I am hesitant to assume it is, at it’s heart a money laundering and pedophilia ring. When I read that they have 1 billion dollars it started to become questionable for me. I believe they probably do have lots of money, but 1 billion? Also, the way it's written is not just written as a factual document. There is lots of snark in it which imo takes away some of it's credibility. If you're serious about proving they have lots of money then go ahead and produce the facts. |
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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 17:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 17:33:51 GMT -5
Give him a break I think he just had someone serve him breakfast and he is waiting for someone to serve him lunch. He has some time between meals. I’m sure tomorrows topic will be on Casting pears before swine. It's Sunday morning nearly 10AM where he is currently.  Obviously getting into the spirit for the meeting shortly. Sheesh I got my days confused you are right! |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 29, 2023 17:47:26 GMT -5
No international studies is here. I have achieved what I set out to do, so nothing more to say. I have challenged posters to substantiate wild baseless allegations and statements they have made. I have carefully checked my facts before doing that. If you care to reread you will see that, to the last one, they have been unable to do so. I have also revealed the hypocrisy of posters who squeal and howl about me for doing this. I don't intend getting drawn into more pointless time consuming nonsense with them. 👿🤷‍♂️ And you have answered none of my questions. Well done and welcome back to spending more pointless time on this forum. Thank you for making sure that we see that you have a keen eye for judgement and identifying hypocrisy, that’s important for self accountability. How was your breakfast? Luke keep in mind it is for everyone else to "prove" everything they say on here. Not to share Information to come to a census of agreement. Nope, this IS PoPs's own personal fessers board. PoPs is omnipotent after all, that's why he doesn't need to prove anything. Don't you get it? It is us lowly hateful, spiteful people we are who dare to speak against this religious sect. How dare we have any opinion, share Information to try to collaborate and possibly piece things together from the sect that it's own members dont even know how it works. It is us who is in the wrong. I should have prayed to the almighty PoPs himself for guidance before I Contacted anyone about the Bruer situation. For no greater sin than to speak truth about the Truth without Pops permission. Remember it is PoPs to deem what is truth NOT the victims and what happened to them. |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 29, 2023 17:56:13 GMT -5
I don’t know what to believe. I am waiting for facts to emerge. I do believe there is something rotten but I am hesitant to assume it is, at it’s heart a money laundering and pedophilia ring. When I read that they have 1 billion dollars it started to become questionable for me. I believe they probably do have lots of money, but 1 billion? Also, the way it's written is not just written as a factual document. There is lots of snark in it which imo takes away some of it's credibility. If you're serious about proving they have lots of money then go ahead and produce the facts. If they have 10 million per state multiply that across the world it amounts to a hefty sum. I have no idea how much they have. To thinK there is not a vast amount of money just isn'togical even just counting the money from this generation. Remember the church is over 100 years old. How does the 2x2 work? Where do all the donations go? Where do the estates go that get left to Overseers and workers? How does it all work? Does anyone know? Why is there such a secret about the 2x2s? When you hide so much from even your own members there has to be a reason, what is the reason? Why is there no accountability, why do they consistency not report rape and CSA? Why do they consistently silence and shame the victims? Can anyone answer these questions? |
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Post by snow on Apr 29, 2023 18:08:25 GMT -5
When I read that they have 1 billion dollars it started to become questionable for me. I believe they probably do have lots of money, but 1 billion? Also, the way it's written is not just written as a factual document. There is lots of snark in it which imo takes away some of it's credibility. If you're serious about proving they have lots of money then go ahead and produce the facts. If they have 10 million per state multiply that across the world it amounts to a hefty sum. I have no idea how much they have. To thinK there is not a vast amount of money just isn'togical even just counting the money from this generation. Remember the church is over 100 years old. How does the 2x2 work? Where do all the donations go? Where do the estates go that get left to Overseers and workers? How does it all work? Does anyone know? Why is there such a secret about the 2x2s? When you hide so much from even your own members there has to be a reason, what is the reason? Why is there no accountability, why do they consistency not report rape and CSA? Why do they consistently silence and shame the victims? Can anyone answer these questions? This was written by Simpleton so I would be very skeptical. Just saying. |
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Post by neighbour on Apr 29, 2023 18:09:18 GMT -5
Why is there such a secret about the 2x2s? When you hide so much from even your own members there has to be a reason, what is the reason? ... Can anyone answer these questions? I believe I can answer this question: Not talking about finances is a point of doctrine...only false churches take a collection, tithe, or ask for offerings. Openly discussing finances is seen as "organization", and the truth must not be an "organized religion". The reality is there is a very strict hierarchical structure, it just cannot be seen to exist. On a related note there is a common doctrine that the truth is the Kingdom of God, and kingdoms are by nature a hierarchy. This plays into no one questioning anything. |
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Dean Bruer
Apr 29, 2023 18:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by chuck on Apr 29, 2023 18:40:29 GMT -5
Women were not an afterthought but I dont see the point in pursuing this. The Bible kind of leaves one with the impression that, yes, the woman was an afterthought. I dont see it that way. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 29, 2023 19:28:16 GMT -5
The Bible kind of leaves one with the impression that, yes, the woman was an afterthought. I dont see it that way. Then, you MAY be right.  |
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 29, 2023 19:47:20 GMT -5
I actually agree with you Verna, in fact I think conspiracy theories that are impossible to prove actually cause people with real points to lose their credibility. The part of the general money laundering argument that is accurate is the 2x2 setup is considered mafia style laundering even if it’s considered a “miracle or the way” and not an intentional crime. If the 2x2lowercase way wanted to stop illegal activity, they would do it by setting up a legal church structure where money is tracked, salaries and benefits are made known, taxes on salaries and benefits are paid, and victims have a way to sue so they can fight coverup of SA and CSA instead of feel like they can do nothing. Rest assured the monies in the Way are under a scope . At present we will not see that part . However here’s hoping that they have billions FOR THE VICTIMS ONE OF FIRST THING DOYLE STATED WAS SETTING UP FUNDS FOR VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS BOTH IN CSA/SA . We brought that forward to a law firm in Calgary , whom are willing to assist us . So yep live up to your words Doyle S !!!!!!!!!!! I can give an estimate of what my parents put out !!! A HUGE CHUNK ! I’ll be shocked if there is. And if that’s the case you would think it would finally be time to restructure as a legal church if they were to remain. I don’t think there is enough government interest to put all the real pieces together unfortunately but keep fighting away! |
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Post by chuck on Apr 30, 2023 3:34:36 GMT -5
Then, you MAY be right. Or not. |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 30, 2023 11:17:56 GMT -5
I have clearly stated the reason for my postings. Building credibility with posters of your type is not an interest or concern of mine. Posting reality and truth will never build credibility with some posters, rather it confronts them with uncomfortable truths. The only uncomfortable truth you are confronting me with is the one where you seem to be in the business of protecting perverts. OH wow another fantastic submission win of Pops by Mr Dobolina. He got choked out, he should have tapped. When will Pops realize that Dobolina has his number? Protecting pervs isn't a good thing. PoPs just wont learn. Seems to be going on like Bruer. Disappeared to a random motel to carry on the work with Doyle Smith. I'm sure the battle will continue folks as PoPs will assuredly "try" to respond to the undefeated champ Mr Dobolina. Stay tuned folks..... |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 30, 2023 11:47:37 GMT -5
Why is there such a secret about the 2x2s? When you hide so much from even your own members there has to be a reason, what is the reason? ... Can anyone answer these questions? I believe I can answer this question: Not talking about finances is a point of doctrine...only false churches take a collection, tithe, or ask for offerings. Openly discussing finances is seen as "organization", and the truth must not be an "organized religion". The reality is there is a very strict hierarchical structure, it just cannot be seen to exist. On a related note there is a common doctrine that the truth is the Kingdom of God, and kingdoms are by nature a hierarchy. This plays into no one questioning anything. It says none of that in the Bible. All of that came from the man who formed this sect and others over the last hundred years. None of that is doctrine or scripturally based. All of these hidden rules came from man. The entirety of the 2x2 structure is hidden from it's members and everything about the sect goes into ensuring that. The phrases used that have major meaning manipulate the thoughts and actions of those involved ensuring their absolute control. They don't even report rapes or pedophilia. Why are things so hidden? The money goes somewhere, where does it go, who does it go to, who controls it? Something hidden this much cannot be good. The higher up one goes in the 2x2s the less chance you have of being a good person and doing the right thing. That's why those in positions of power/control don't report crimes no matter how vicious or vile. They are instructed not to, it's standard procedure worldwide. Which shows there is structure, there is policy, there is a standard and uniformed way to deal with things such as rape and pedophilia. Which also means that it has happened enough to create a worldwide standard procedure in handling such things. So the problem are not new. They have money to immediately move the perpetrators of these horrible crimes yet they do NOT have any money for the victims? Hmm why is there only money for the perpetrators? Those who have been victims of their crimes such as Chinese whispers should not have to find or get help on their own. It should be standard procedure to help the victims but it is not. The standard procedure when dealing with the victims is to shame them and if they push the issue they ex communicate them. The reason why things are hidden is to protect the ones higher up. It is based very much like the Free Masons ie: the higher up you go the more you learn that is never was about God. It is about Greed, Power, Control over everyone below you. Good things are not hidden. |
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