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Post by snow on Apr 19, 2023 18:54:04 GMT -5
Uuumm probably not Jack Price . He got bumped outta Canada 🇨🇦 he had his little red wagon with his misdeeds packed . Ready to roll ! Lol. That was my reaction too when I saw the question above. I'm not sure he ever said anything quotable, other than the first sermon he preached at Portage convention after he became overseer in MB. Sadly, he never did live up to that sermon! Still, back in the 1980's, he stood up for a young woman who ended up in abusive relationship in another country. That was not necessarily an easy thing for him to do, but he did it. He was ahead of his time in the handling of that situation, and relied heavily on the young sister workers for counsel. For that, he has my respect. When was he at Portage? When was he overseer of MB? I remember hearing him as overseer in BC and AB. There you go! I've been out of the loop for a long time lol. I heard a lot of stuff when my parents were alive, but after 2005 I know nothing except what I hear on here. |
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Post by snow on Apr 19, 2023 18:59:21 GMT -5
That's what I found to be some of it that was sickening. I wasn't allowed to play competitive sports and I had to play without my parents knowing and that meant only in town games. I couldn't go out of town because then I would have to have parental permission and I couldn't get that. I have no idea what is so desperately wrong with kids in sports. It keeps them out of trouble, healthier and in better shape. The pros far outnumber the cons imo. And to still be worried about wearing pants!! Another part was when Merlin stated that women shouldn't dress to tempt men that were trying to 'die' to that sin. I was glad that one of the women in the group pointed out that the onus shouldn't be on the women, and men should learn how to control themselves. Another part which triggered me more than the appearances talk and sports talk, was how they referred to what Walter (?) did as not considered to be high on the 'crime' scale when it was a child that he abused. That really upset me. And he was not charged. Also, Harry Price was mentioned in this. Is he still alive? He was old when I was young. That is so sad . If I had a tournament or competition on a Sunday or Wednesday one of my parents would be there . They encouraged my activities in sports because I would finally wear my ADHD OUT ! I remember being on the field at 6 AM for practice . All my resources were sports . They encouraged me . In grade 9 we had to go to the high school we would attend in grade 10 . To my surprise the coaches were vetting us . Proud to say I was at the top of their list . I went back to both schools at times in my life only to see my name still up there . Mom skipped special meetings on year because I had a gymnastics competition . Which I won 3rd place for Alberta . But heck yeah my mom was there . They had found the key to keeping me from beating myself up , instead I wanted to be the best at all sports I played . My parents just knew that was my outlet . One of them always attended no matter which day . It probably was one of the best times of my life . Oh wow, you were so lucky that way! I was really good at gymnastics, and I did compete within school hours but if it was outside school hours I wasn't allowed. I had to be at home. There were a couple of times I got to spend an overnight at a friend's house and go to an important tournament. But they couldn't trust me to be there so... I always loved field day at the end of the school year because I could compete and I loved being able to out jump anyone in the high jump and long jump! |
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 19, 2023 19:06:44 GMT -5
Lol. That was my reaction too when I saw the question above. I'm not sure he ever said anything quotable, other than the first sermon he preached at Portage convention after he became overseer in MB. Sadly, he never did live up to that sermon! Still, back in the 1980's, he stood up for a young woman who ended up in abusive relationship in another country. That was not necessarily an easy thing for him to do, but he did it. He was ahead of his time in the handling of that situation, and relied heavily on the young sister workers for counsel. For that, he has my respect. When was he at Portage? When was he overseer of MB? I remember hearing him as overseer in BC and AB. There you go! I've been out of the loop for a long time lol. I heard a lot of stuff when my parents were alive, but after 2005 I know nothing except what I hear on here. This would have been around 1982 or so. Stanley Sharpe had been the Manitoba overseer for 5 or 6 years by then and was moved to SK as overseer. Jack took over from Stanley. I think Stanley became sick a few years after that, and after his death, Dale Schulz became SK overseer for a time. |
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Post by snow on Apr 19, 2023 19:15:31 GMT -5
When was he at Portage? When was he overseer of MB? I remember hearing him as overseer in BC and AB. There you go! I've been out of the loop for a long time lol. I heard a lot of stuff when my parents were alive, but after 2005 I know nothing except what I hear on here. This would have been around 1982 or so. Stanley Sharpe had been the Manitoba overseer for 5 or 6 years by then and was moved to SK as overseer. Jack took over from Stanley. I think Stanley became sick a few years after that, and after his death, Dale Schulz became SK overseer for a time. Okay, about 9 years after my time of knowing much. Thanks for catching me up. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2023 20:06:47 GMT -5
When was he at Portage? When was he overseer of MB? I remember hearing him as overseer in BC and AB. There you go! I've been out of the loop for a long time lol. I heard a lot of stuff when my parents were alive, but after 2005 I know nothing except what I hear on here. This would have been around 1982 or so. Stanley Sharpe had been the Manitoba overseer for 5 or 6 years by then and was moved to SK as overseer. Jack took over from Stanley. I think Stanley became sick a few years after that, and after his death, Dale Schulz became SK overseer for a time. Yes he was . He was a part of my grandparents life . They moved there in the 40’s . Mom was from that area . |
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Post by chuck on Apr 19, 2023 20:54:14 GMT -5
So you're suggesting one of the victims who is friends with my wife, and talked to her about it only last weekend is lying.
I'd also suggest you go back and read Curly's previous posts very carefully. It didn't all come from the internet.
So here you are now trying to justify yourself for the misleading incorrect statements you made! I 100% know the facts relating to the misleading incorrect statements in your post! Show us the evidence....... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2023 21:36:05 GMT -5
They have to cooperate with the Law. They are not below lying to the LAW ! Heck no. I've personally witnessed workers lying TO and ABOUT each other. They're kind of immature when it comes to dealing with people who exercise astute integrity during discussions on serious matters. Its probably a problem for them because it involves answering questions for verification of facts, etc. They don't like much of that. |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 19, 2023 21:39:12 GMT -5
So here you are now trying to justify yourself for the misleading incorrect statements you made! I 100% know the facts relating to the misleading incorrect statements in your post! Show us the evidence....... Chuck I certainly will not be!!!! You are displaying your lack of understanding about CSA and victims. Shame on you! I certainly will not be discussing any further on this public forum, that case in question. I remain unchanged in my statement. I 100% know the facts on the case and shame on Pragmatic for his misleading incorrect statement. If anyone wishes to contact me by PM (identifying themselves) I am quite open and happy to share, if it is appropriate to do so with the enquirer, the FACTS!  |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2023 21:51:42 GMT -5
Show us the evidence....... Chuck I certainly will not be!!!! You are displaying your lack of understanding about CSA and victims. Shame on you! I certainly will not be discussing any further on this public forum, that case in question. I remain unchanged in my statement. I 100% know the facts on the case and shame on Pragmatic for his misleading incorrect statement. If anyone wishes to contact me by PM (identifying themselves) I am quite open and happy to share, if it is appropriate to do so with the enquirer, the FACTS! I think you are very sure of something. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 19, 2023 23:06:53 GMT -5
This is another of the regular false statements that are made by malignant posters. I 100% know the facts relating to the lies that are stated in this post! Read and believe everything posted on TMB at your peril! Thank you curly and pragmatic for showing yourselves for what you really are!  So you are in NZ like we all suspected internationalstudies ! Wouldn't it be more honest to post under your previous user name? |
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 19, 2023 23:12:52 GMT -5
Show us the evidence....... Chuck I certainly will not be!!!! You are displaying your lack of understanding about CSA and victims. Shame on you! I certainly will not be discussing any further on this public forum, that case in question. I remain unchanged in my statement. I 100% know the facts on the case and shame on Pragmatic for his misleading incorrect statement. If anyone wishes to contact me by PM (identifying themselves) I am quite open and happy to share, if it is appropriate to do so with the enquirer, the FACTS! So if someone sending you a PM, are you going to identify yourself as well internationalstudies? Your last username was better not so much to type ! |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2023 12:40:33 GMT -5
Thank you Jane . That is a powerful statement . Perhaps the MALE WORKERS SHOULD TAKE HEED ! A mother knows best . Kudos to her .
Let’s keep those letters and the unfruitful babbling by men . They need to recognize that WOMEN HAVE A VOICE ! When I asked the sisters to take mom’s funeral they said THEY HAD TO GET PERMISSION . My reply to MA & BA if not the sisters we will go ahead with just family and hymns and a final prayer . I don’t think they liked it , but how ignorant of them to assume . As if that would happen .
My mom felt better with sister worker’s . I have always wondered if something happened to my mom . Can’t shake that feeling . She didn’t bond with them . For a reason , but my mom wouldn’t have told . My parents had a wonderful relationship we never heard them fight . Dad always valued mom’s input in all decisions . They made all decisions together !
However my father confined in me about behind closed doors . Yes we spoke about everything . One day I am going through mom’s drawers looking for a scarf and saw condoms and I was startled 😮
Not really but…………… it was icky to think about it .
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 20, 2023 16:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 20, 2023 16:57:10 GMT -5
👀 indeed. I feel so sorry for every member of the F&W who are impacted by this. There is something in me that would like to shield them from it, protect them. I have no dog in the fight for how all of this eventually sorts out. But I would wish for everyone, freedom, purpose, and a sense of personal power, no matter how that might manifest for them. When I look back on my life, the hardest things that I have had to face/endure have immeasurably enriched me. And I would not now trade them for an easier path. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 20, 2023 17:02:38 GMT -5
I think the actual text needs posting here Jenny, FWIW:
Dear local reporters,
Let me give you a little tip which will make those sweeps ratings periods starting in a couple of weeks all the richer for you and your stations. There is a trial set to start in Phoenix next week about a software company owner and the stash of self produced and traded for child p**n on his laptop. The guy belongs to a cult disguised as a religion called Two By Two. That is not mentioned in any of the news stories.
Late last year one of the top five members of this cult/church (Two By Two) was found dead in a motel room in Bend, Oregon. He died in possession of a laptop that had thousands of images of self produced and traded for child p**n. There were also videos of some of the victims approaching his motel room door. Once, the church/cult discovered his death, they sent another church/cult leader (Two By Two) to collect the laptop and other possessions.
For seven months he hid the laptop in his car, and refused to turn it over to the authorities until several of the victims went to law enforcement themselves.
In Washington State right now, leaders from around the world of this church/cult (Two By Two) which professes to take in zero dollars from any of their members and owns no buildings or structures or property in the name of the church/cult have spent nearly a half million dollars on travel and lodging. Why? They need to replace one of the leaders of the cult who represents Washington and Alaska. Why? In the past month he has been accused of molesting dozens of underage girls. He is not being forced out of the church/cult (Two By Two), just replaced. he also gets to weigh in on who should replace him.
I can go on and on and on about how this is in every single local market across the country and around the world. This is about to explode. Now, about those May sweeps ratings? Get on it.
Love & Bacon,
Enty
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2023 18:51:51 GMT -5
Apr 18
A few things should be mentioned at this time. Things have happened that have shaken us and brought distress, but it all serves to remind us that our hope and confidence are in the Lord and such distresses should help our hope and confidence to become more deeply rooted in the Lord. Psalm 118: 9&10, “It is better to trust in the Lord, than to put confidence in man, It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.”
We are also reminded of the need to take heed to ourselves. 1Timothy 4: 16, “Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them; for in doing this, thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.” This is written in to a servant of God, but many times in the Old Testament the whole congregation was exhorted to take heed to themselves.
The best way to help your neighbour with his garden is to tend to your own garden. Near the end of last year, all the Qld workers were advised to revise the CSA training program. We would like to remind everyone that if there are any concerns regarding sexual abuse, it needs to be taken to the appropriate authorities for the safety of our young ones, as we are not qualified to handle such matters. We cannot act on hearsay, without a proper investigation. Some of us hope to do some planning etc in Adelaide next week and we will appreciate your prayers.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2023 18:55:17 GMT -5
Posted with permission.
April 11, 2023
Dear Brothers,
The past few weeks have weighed on all our hearts. I am sure that this is not the first letter you have received on this topic, but I feel compelled to share what has been on my mind and heart as a woman and a mother.
In Judges 19 there was a horrific act of sexual violence committed. I remember reading this chapter for the first time in college. I was stunned and brought to tears. I have never heard this scripture spoken on. It's never been on a Bible study list in my area, and for good reason! It’s difficult to read, difficult to understand, and difficult to talk about, much like what has been happening in recent weeks. What has encouraged me lately has been what happens in Judges 20. There is a response from all of Israel, they are united before the Lord as one man. They want to know how this happened! They didn't blame the concubine for what had happened to her, even though she "played the harlot." They didn't leave others to deal with the problem because it hadn't happened in their area. They didn't try to ignore or repress their anger. They demanded that the men responsible be delivered up "that we may put them to death and remove the evil from Israel!" In the battle detailed in the chapter, Israel goes before the Lord repeatedly to ask for counsel, and again and again the Lord encourages them to fight. God was on their side in their desire to remove evil, and they were united in that desire.
In my conversations with others in the past weeks there has been a common theme. People are angry and wonder how such evil could happen in our fellowship. The biggest question has been how to keep these things from happening again. I do not have the answers, but I have some thoughts I hope will be worth at least considering and pondering. I don’t know what it's like to be a worker. I certainly don't know what it's like to be an overseer. Some of the changes I suggest are likely already happening, and certainly I'm not the first to suggest them. I wonder if "my two cents" comes from the scripture about the widow with two mites. I don’t feel like I am much. I don't know if my thoughts are much, but if they could help even a little I want to offer them.
One thing I want to beg of you brothers in authority is that you include the sisters in your talks and decisions. There are countless examples in the Bible of faithful women providing essential help and counsel. Esther. Abigail, and Deborah. Mary bringing the resurrection message to the Apostles. Priscilla, with her husband, explaining the gospel more fully. Phoebe, a helper of many' and to Paul also. Our sisters are not likely to demand more authority or 'usurp,' but I feel confident that if they were called upon to help they willingly would. Women and children often feel more comfortable with sisters than they do with brothers. If we want victims to come forward honestly with faith that they will be listened to, it may be much easier to do if a sister is available. If you were abused by a brother worker, another brother worker may be the last person you would want to talk to about it! It may be helpful to the friends to know which sisters are open to having these discussions and have a direct line to brothers in authority. It can be very disheartening to have a difficult conversation and leave feeling as if nothing will change. Give sisters the opportunity to listen and the authority to do something about what they hear. Certainly sisters could be helpful to you yourselves in your efforts to understand the feelings of victims, as they would be familiar with the fears and anxieties most women carry with them through life. Likewise, inviting elders and parents to weigh in on changes could be extremely helpful for you. “Where there is no counsel, the people fall; but in the multitude of counselors there is safety.”
That brings me to my next suggestion. I don't know the Bible as well as most of you. but the current structure of having one overseer over a state or multiple states does not seem to be scriptural. Why is it this way? Order is both scriptural and practical. There are decisions to be made, the scope of which I do not understand, and someone must be willing and able to make them. That being said, it seems so strange to me that the oversight of so many is often left to one fallible man. In God's plans for marriage, parenthood, and the ministry he has not planned for anyone responsible for others to be alone. I. like many of the friends, know very little about how resources are managed and distributed to the ministry. When it is Spirit-led, it works. Dean is an example of the sacrifices of honest givers being grossly misused. Those who give have no desire for their name to be on a plaque or in a newsletter, but they give in faith that it will be used wisely. When I got married, I gave up some financial freedom, but I gained a tremendous help and counsel in my husband. With accountability comes assistance, and vice versa. If two or more are given the oversight of an area, what a burden would be lifted from the one who previously held the position on his own! Not only would no one be given 'darkness' to work evil within, but they would have at their disposal help, counsel, and encouragement to keep them from stumbling. Furthermore, it might be helpful for some who have been overseers for a while to res from the role and reacquaint themselves with what it is like to be under authority. Circulating into and out of the role could be refreshing both for overseers and for the body.
My final suggestion is a call for transparency and consistency, Kingdom-wide, it seems the issue of sexual immorality and abuse, especially against children, has long been a cancer in the fellowship. In the past perhaps it has been dealt with surgically, if at all. with attention given to specific areas of the body with the greatest problem. It seems that God Himself removed the tumor that was Dean. I feel that the time has come for the entire body to receive treatment, metaphorically speaking, so that the evil is removed and prevented from returning. Cancer treatments are not comfortable for the body, but they are necessary to preserve life. The Lord gave counsel to Israel to fight a battle against evil and He helped them prevail, but they still had to willingly go forth, putting their individual lives on the line for the sake of right, I hope that each of us in our own place and area are willing for whatever it takes to help the Church, not to get back to normal* but to move forward stronger and healthier, closer to God. This is an opportunity to examine ourselves, to look even at the structures and traditions we have been following and compare them once again to the Pattern and to the scripture. Some of these ideas are already being accomplished, but I write them here for the sake of clarity; metaphor only takes us so far.
Workers across the entire nation, even the world, should receive the same or similar training regarding sexual abuse and training should be refreshed frequently.
Workers should always be swift in informing the friends of any known or alleged perpetrators in their area, even if they haven't been convicted of a crime. Unfortunately many perpetrators still avoid justice. It's in our best interest to uphold a standard higher than that of the world and have no tolerance for harmful behavior.
Perpetrators or alleged perpetrators should be removed from positions of responsibility or authority.
Perpetrators or alleged perpetrators should not be allowed to attend fellowship meetings or conventions with children, anywhere, anytime. We live in a time where it is quite possible for them to enjoy the messages from home. Keeping them from situations of temptation or opportunity is the best thing for them, and keeping convention and home meetings a safe and comfortable place for women and children is the best thing for all. The repentant are likely to be willing for this.
Workers should not be afraid to give out worldly' resources and encourage people to seek help and therapy. So many of you are facing this and feeling overwhelmed. You are called to a specific place, and that place is not one where you can or should 'do it all.’ Call upon the Lord for help in referring people to experts that will be helpful for them. Providing local and relevant hotlines and resources at the bottom of sensitive emails would be helpful.
It's unfortunate, but the reality is for many of us our trust in the oversight has been shaken, even while trust in God remains. In order to rebuild our trust we must be confident that if there is any misconduct discovered it will be swiftly and publicly dealt with. Tor there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light.” Those whose deeds are evil love darkness. It is our responsibility to get the Lord's help in shining light into the dark comers of our fellowship. We cannot hesitate in fear of what we’ll find, it's better to see the full scope of the problem so we can be specific not only in our prayers but in our actions. This fellowship is worth fighting for.
A final plea: communicate, communicate, communicate! Overcommunication is better than undercommunication, because when people aren't sure of what's going on imagination takes over. Give necessary details and specifically name the crime when you can. It's belter to send an email that says “I don't know" or “more later" than for us to be left wondering, gossiping, and Googling. You can help avoid this by being swift and forthright in your communication, ensuring everyone receives the same information. When you are. and when things are handled appropriately, fewer and fewer will be able to find occasion to speak ill of our fellowship. Trust that the Lord is able to guide your words even when you must send them hastily, perhaps even more so: "whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit"
As a parent. I am very aware of my own responsibility toward my children. The intention of any concerned or outraged parent is not to pass all responsibility toward those in authority, but to create a united front to protect the most vulnerable. When we have open and honest communication between workers and friends we can better understand the unique anxieties of each place and can help each other be what we ought to be in our own place.
Thank you for being open to my concerns and thoughts. What I said was conveyed from an honest heart, and if anything expressed was off-base or incorrect I hope that the Spirit can work with the reader to interpret my hopes and intentions more accurately. 1don't know if these words have the power to help or make a difference, but if they do you are welcome to share them.
A mother,
Bridget Hanks
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Post by verna on Apr 20, 2023 19:14:15 GMT -5
I think the actual text needs posting here Jenny, FWIW:
Dear local reporters,
Let me give you a little tip which will make those sweeps ratings periods starting in a couple of weeks all the richer for you and your stations. There is a trial set to start in Phoenix next week about a software company owner and the stash of self produced and traded for child p**n on his laptop. The guy belongs to a cult disguised as a religion called Two By Two. That is not mentioned in any of the news stories.
Late last year one of the top five members of this cult/church (Two By Two) was found dead in a motel room in Bend, Oregon. He died in possession of a laptop that had thousands of images of self produced and traded for child p**n. There were also videos of some of the victims approaching his motel room door. Once, the church/cult discovered his death, they sent another church/cult leader (Two By Two) to collect the laptop and other possessions.
For seven months he hid the laptop in his car, and refused to turn it over to the authorities until several of the victims went to law enforcement themselves.
In Washington State right now, leaders from around the world of this church/cult (Two By Two) which professes to take in zero dollars from any of their members and owns no buildings or structures or property in the name of the church/cult have spent nearly a half million dollars on travel and lodging. Why? They need to replace one of the leaders of the cult who represents Washington and Alaska. Why? In the past month he has been accused of molesting dozens of underage girls. He is not being forced out of the church/cult (Two By Two), just replaced. he also gets to weigh in on who should replace him.
I can go on and on and on about how this is in every single local market across the country and around the world. This is about to explode. Now, about those May sweeps ratings? Get on it.
Love & Bacon,
Enty
Curious and damning. Can anyone add credibility to this? Of course I am aware of the DB and MH references. I am referencing more the production of child porn by members of the 2x2s with involvement of the workers. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2023 19:45:15 GMT -5
Working on it . Have narrowed it down to 2 men .
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 20, 2023 19:47:56 GMT -5
So here you are now trying to justify yourself for the misleading incorrect statements you made! I 100% know the facts relating to the misleading incorrect statements in your post! Show us the evidence....... You can't prove a lie........ PoPs is a pathological liar as we are finding out. He wants others to give details to an ongoing investigation which could undermine it. Yet he refuses to give details of an old case where someone "supposedly" was already sentenced. Hmmm makes no sense and proves he's a liar and made up the whole thing. Doesn't harm the victim.or anyone by proving his story. Until proven he is the ONLY person to know of an incident where the church turned someone in. Which means they went "against their standard procedures. Its obvious he only wants to mess up" current" investigations because that furthers his goal of obscuring the ongoing investigation into the many crimes hidden by the 2x2s for decades. His reasons are ridiculous, nonsensical and fabricated. I am glad these evil people are going to go down. They can rot in jail before their final judgment. Anyone who does these evil things anywhere deserves the same fate. Hopefully justice and punishment will give some solace to the many victims. The 2x2s should pay restitution to every single victim in the millions. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 20, 2023 19:53:46 GMT -5
Show us the evidence....... You can't prove a lie........ PoPs is a pathological liar as we are finding out. He wants others to give details to an ongoing investigation which could undermine it. Yet he refuses to give details of an old case where someone "supposedly" was already sentenced. Hmmm makes no sense and proves he's a liar and made up the whole thing. Doesn't harm the victim.or anyone by proving his story. Until proven he is the ONLY person to know of an incident where the church turned someone in. Which means they went "against their standard procedures. Its obvious he only wants to mess up" current" investigations because that furthers his goal of obscuring the ongoing investigation into the many crimes hidden by the 2x2s for decades. His reasons are ridiculous, nonsensical and fabricated. I am glad these evil people are going to go down. They can rot in jail before their final judgment. Anyone who does these evil things anywhere deserves the same fate. Hopefully justice and punishment will give some solace to the many victims. The 2x2s should pay restitution to every single victim in the millions. The case that intstud is referring to resulted in a successful prosecution and a sentence of home detention. Jail would have been more appropriate. As it was a successful prosecution I have to laugh at his belief that the whole thing is a lie. |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 20, 2023 19:57:43 GMT -5
You can't prove a lie........ PoPs is a pathological liar as we are finding out. He wants others to give details to an ongoing investigation which could undermine it. Yet he refuses to give details of an old case where someone "supposedly" was already sentenced. Hmmm makes no sense and proves he's a liar and made up the whole thing. Doesn't harm the victim.or anyone by proving his story. Until proven he is the ONLY person to know of an incident where the church turned someone in. Which means they went "against their standard procedures. Its obvious he only wants to mess up" current" investigations because that furthers his goal of obscuring the ongoing investigation into the many crimes hidden by the 2x2s for decades. His reasons are ridiculous, nonsensical and fabricated. I am glad these evil people are going to go down. They can rot in jail before their final judgment. Anyone who does these evil things anywhere deserves the same fate. Hopefully justice and punishment will give some solace to the many victims. The 2x2s should pay restitution to every single victim in the millions. The case that intstud is referring to resulted in a successful prosecution and a sentence of home detention. Jail would have been more appropriate. As it was a successful prosecution I have to laugh at his belief that the whole thing is a lie. I repeat: I certainly will not be discussing any further on this public forum, that case in question.
I remain unchanged in my statement. I 100% know the facts on the case and shame on Pragmatic for his misleading incorrect statement.
If anyone wishes to contact me by PM (identifying themselves) I am quite open and happy to share, if it is appropriate to do so with the enquirer, the FACTS! |
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 20, 2023 20:01:45 GMT -5
Do you guys remember a letter that listed out the Dean Bruer timeline of events? I think it was written by some sister workers? My search button isn’t working. Wanted to check something.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 20, 2023 20:04:19 GMT -5
I think the actual text needs posting here Jenny, FWIW:
Dear local reporters, Let me give you a little tip which will make those sweeps ratings periods starting in a couple of weeks all the richer for you and your stations. There is a trial set to start in Phoenix next week about a software company owner and the stash of self produced and traded for child p**n on his laptop. The guy belongs to a cult disguised as a religion called Two By Two. That is not mentioned in any of the news stories.  Late last year one of the top five members of this cult/church (Two By Two) was found dead in a motel room in Bend, Oregon. He died in possession of a laptop that had thousands of images of self produced and traded for child p**n. There were also videos of some of the victims approaching his motel room door. Once, the church/cult discovered his death, they sent another church/cult leader (Two By Two) to collect the laptop and other possessions. For seven months he hid the laptop in his car, and refused to turn it over to the authorities until several of the victims went to law enforcement themselves. In Washington State right now, leaders from around the world of this church/cult (Two By Two) which professes to take in zero dollars from any of their members and owns no buildings or structures or property in the name of the church/cult have spent nearly a half million dollars on travel and lodging. Why? They need to replace one of the leaders of the cult who represents Washington and Alaska. Why? In the past month he has been accused of molesting d ozens of underage girls. He is not being forced out of the church/cult (Two By Two), just replaced. he also gets to weigh in on who should replace him. I can go on and on and on about how this is in every single local market across the country and around the world. This is about to explode. Now, about those May sweeps ratings? Get on it. Love & Bacon, Enty Hilarious!!! another 'true facts' winner post by pragamatic from his 'q anon' sources Just wait a day two (or more realistically a 1000 years) until this little treasure trove of true verified facts is splashed across the headlines of 100s of US news agencies! Thank for you scoop of truth !!!!!! Take a geek here for more of crazydaysandnights.net 's amazing fact based revelations and hot news! A new sucker born every minute!! |
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