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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 17, 2023 2:53:03 GMT -5
Are you capable of holding a rational and adult debate? Or do you simply resort to sarcasm, childish put downs, personal attacks and snarky comments as some kind of defence mechanism when someone does not entirely agree with your point of view? I haven't found anything of value in internationalstudies posts on this thread. Are they intended to pollute the thread and distract those who want to find something useful here? Appreciate this post, you have good discernment. You have correctly discerned the truth of it all. Chuck, mrbalona and Vinny have posted truth and reality and I just defiled their truth and purity and accuracy with my lies and dishonesty. 👍 |
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Post by fixit on Apr 17, 2023 3:50:12 GMT -5
I haven't found anything of value in internationalstudies posts on this thread. Are they intended to pollute the thread and distract those who want to find something useful here? Appreciate this post, you have good discernment. You have correctly discerned the truth of it all. Chuck, mrbalona and Vinny have posted truth and reality and I just defiled their truth and purity and accuracy with my lies and dishonesty. 👍 This forum is not like talking down to a captive audience. Try not to judge and pigeon-hole people. Put yourself in their shoes. Listen, and then share. |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 17, 2023 3:53:11 GMT -5
Appreciate this post, you have good discernment. You have correctly discerned the truth of it all. Chuck, mrbalona and Vinny have posted truth and reality and I just defiled their truth and purity and accuracy with my lies and dishonesty. 👍 This forum is not like talking down to a captive audience. Try not to judge and pigeon-hole people. Put yourself in their shoes. Listen, and then share. Your wisdom and fine discernment is noted and deeply appreciated, thank you! |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 17, 2023 3:58:45 GMT -5
This forum is not like talking down to a captive audience. Try not to judge and pigeon-hole people. Put yourself in their shoes. Listen, and then share. Your wisdom and fine discernment is noted and deeply appreciated, thank you! . I am blind. Until this post of yours I have stubbornly refused to acknowledge,as you do,the correct true words and true fact based allegations of Vinny, mrbalino and Chuck. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 17, 2023 4:12:21 GMT -5
Are you capable of holding a rational and adult debate? Or do you simply resort to sarcasm, childish put downs, personal attacks and snarky comments as some kind of defence mechanism when someone does not entirely agree with your point of view? I haven't found anything of value in internationalstudies posts on this thread. Are they intended to pollute the thread and distract those who want to find something useful here? Two possibities.
1) Just a smart a...e
or
2) Exactly as you suggested.
Given the seriousness of what has occurred, and what is being investigated, and the fact that there are victims, I find it reprehensible conduct.
Ad hominem attacks on those who are against the enablers and perpetrators of these serious crimes in the church should cease. The common goal should be restitution for the victims, prevention, and putting the perpetrators where they can do no more harm.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 17, 2023 4:13:57 GMT -5
I haven't found anything of value in internationalstudies posts on this thread. Are they intended to pollute the thread and distract those who want to find something useful here? Two possibities.
1) Just a smart a...e
or
2) Exactly as you suggested.
Given the seriousness of what has occurred, and what is being investigated, and the fact that there are victims, I find it reprehensible conduct.
Ad hominem attacks on those who are against the enablers and perpetrators of these serious crimes in the church has to stop.
Thank you too! Another poster who sees the truth of all that Vinny, Mr balino and Chuck post. How have I missed it all?.oh that I might have the discernment and insight that you too have Sir.😎 Hey aren't you the church member that puts his money where his tmb mouthpiece is?. Your post blustering trying to avoid that was comical. Seems to have put you in a tight spot? 🤣 |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 17, 2023 4:27:13 GMT -5
Two possibities.
1) Just a smart a...e
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2) Exactly as you suggested.
Given the seriousness of what has occurred, and what is being investigated, and the fact that there are victims, I find it reprehensible conduct.
Ad hominem attacks on those who are against the enablers and perpetrators of these serious crimes in the church has to stop.
Thank you too! Another poster who sees the truth of all that Vinny, Mr balino and Chuck post. How have I missed it all?.oh that I might have the discernment and insight that you too have Sir.😎 Hey aren't you the church member that puts his money where his tmb mouthpiece is? 👍 No, I don't see the truth of all that they post. You are making stuff up. But even if they are only half right, then it's still not good enough.
Yes I do put my money, and time, where my mouth is, but I do not do "my alms before men", so will not divulge further on a public forum. You should know better than to try and elicit that information.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 17, 2023 4:43:58 GMT -5
Thank you too! Another poster who sees the truth of all that Vinny, Mr balino and Chuck post. How have I missed it all?.oh that I might have the discernment and insight that you too have Sir.😎 Hey aren't you the church member that puts his money where his tmb mouthpiece is? 👍 No, I don't see the truth of all that they post. You are making stuff up. But even if they are only half right, then it's still not good enough.
Yes I do put my money, and time, where my mouth is, but I do not do "my alms before men", so will not divulge further on a public forum. You should know better than to try and elicit that information. You are putting in quite an effort to justify how you feel you are putting your money where your TMB mouth is. 🤣🤣 It'll be rather discouraging and disappointing for Vinny, chuck and mrbalino that you are drawing back from unqualified support of all the truth and fact supported allegations they have been making here, is it not? Shame on you suggesting that perhaps they are only half right. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 17, 2023 4:55:38 GMT -5
No, I don't see the truth of all that they post. You are making stuff up. But even if they are only half right, then it's still not good enough.
Yes I do put my money, and time, where my mouth is, but I do not do "my alms before men", so will not divulge further on a public forum. You should know better than to try and elicit that information.
[br You are putting in quite an effort to justify how you feel you are putting your money where your TMB mouth is. 🤣🤣 Your jaundiced view on the other is unsurprising and predictable. Rather disappointing for Vinny, chuck and mrbalino that you are drawing back from unqualified support of all the truth and fact supported allegations they have been making here, is it not? You asked the question....and my view only jaundiced only in your opinion. You ad hominem attacks on those that are offering support for the ones investigating illegalities is disgusting, and your attempt to draw them and me into a time wasting debate and side issues is noted, and will be ignored going forward. |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 17, 2023 5:03:32 GMT -5
[br You are putting in quite an effort to justify how you feel you are putting your money where your TMB mouth is. 🤣🤣 Your jaundiced view on the other is unsurprising and predictable. Rather disappointing for Vinny, chuck and mrbalino that you are drawing back from unqualified support of all the truth and fact supported allegations they have been making here, is it not? You asked the question....and my view only jaundiced only in your opinion. You ad hominem attacks on those that are offering support for the ones investigating illegalities is disgusting, and your attempt to draw them and me into a time wasting debate and side issues is noted, and will be ignored going forward. Your hypocrisy regarding ad hominem attacks. Wow!  Appreciate you not wishing to pursue further the time wasting debate you initiated. 👍 My apologies for unwisely responding to your initial post. It's a lesson to be learned. |
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Post by matisse on Apr 17, 2023 5:29:59 GMT -5
Does anyone reading here remember the poster, Review005?
If so, does anyone remember who his overseer was/is?
Please PM me.
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 17, 2023 10:16:55 GMT -5
Does anyone reading here remember the poster, Review005? If so, does anyone remember who his overseer was/is? Please PM me. Because reporting Wally and Nathan to the moral authorities of Dean Bruer and Mark Huddle worked out so well?  |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 17, 2023 10:29:34 GMT -5
Does anyone reading here remember the poster, Review005? If so, does anyone remember who his overseer was/is? Please PM me. Because reporting Wally and Nathan to the moral authorities of Dean Bruer and Mark Huddle worked out so well? How dare you question the moral high ground the workers hold. High ground with slippery slopes. |
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Post by luke2236 on Apr 17, 2023 10:33:30 GMT -5
Because reporting Wally and Nathan to the moral authorities of Dean Bruer and Mark Huddle worked out so well? How dare you question the moral high ground the workers hold. High ground with slippery slopes. I would estimate that a majority of the people in meeting don’t know who their overseer’s overseer is…. I find that amazing in itself. Didn’t Enron Executives try to claim innocence because they didn’t know what was going on below them? |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 17, 2023 11:19:31 GMT -5
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON’T GO TO THE WORKERS NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE A WORKER
WOW WHOA
……………. Wings for Truth
Adult-Adult Abuse Apr 16
WINGS has always been focused on support and guidance on every aspect of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) and to support victims of CSA. We have been aware of adult-adult abuse but have not posted details of those cases. However we have decided to post the letter below, even though it is out of scope, as it illustrates the victim blaming and abuser shifting that has occurred in CSA cases.
The letter is being shared with permission given from the authors, Bob and Stacy Bainbridge, who own convention grounds in New Brunswick. The letter is in regards to their daughter, Morgan, who was in the work.
Dear Friends,
It is with Morgan's permission that we send this email.
The absence of information and lack of acknowledgment of recent abuses and how its been or being handled has put and continues to put innocent people in harms way. So this is the reason for our letter. We would like to make clear the reason that Morgan is out of the work and in NZ.
In March of 2021 Morgan brought information forward to the overseer about emotional/psychological/narcissistic abuse and sexual misconduct by two of her older companions. After hearing her experience he agreed that this behavior was abuse. When Morgan then informed him who the abusers were, he changed the subject. In the following weeks and months he made efforts to slander, discredit, undermine and portray her as a liar to cover up and dismiss the abuse.
With the support and similar stories from others the overseer was forced to acknowledge the abuse yet again, the acknowledgement however, was short lived. With the continued support from staff other overseers were brought in from the USA. Many hours were spent in visits with the staff during their time here. It was at this time that one of these overseers suggested to Morgan that if she was just inventing trouble as an excuse to leave the work there was no need she could just leave.
During Nov. 2021 Special meetings (on line) the staff workers along with visitors were together in NS. At this time a visiting worker inappropriately touched Morgan on two separate occasions. Morgan realized at this point the behaviors of abuse were far greater and more wide spread then she could have imagined.
The eventual solution for all of this abuse was to move the abusers, one to Ontario, one temporarily to the USA and our overseer to Alberta.
Morgan's only request at the time of reporting was for the abusers to step aside from the work and get the appropriate help/therapy needed. Instead we have made a safe haven for continued abuse. Some overseers in parts of Canada and the USA have sent letters to the elders in their fields to be read to their meetings, but many places still have have not.
These things we all know are unpleasant and awkward to talk about but we cannot ignore the hurt and damage being done to the innocent. Going forward we need to know that these abusers are not just being shuffled to a different state or province to continue their abuse. These people need to be reported to the proper legal authorities.
Think about the many, many, victims that have had their lives damaged and are spending months and years in therapy from the harm these abusers have caused. The lack of acknowledgement, action and dismissiveness exacerbates the feelings for the victims of abuse. These scars are with them forever, and the hurt goes far beyond the victims, it affects all of their family and friend.
Please encourage our overseers that have influence in directing our workers to take the right course of action, be transparent in dealing with these abusers, report abuse.
Victims need to be able to speak up and be taken seriously.
Ps: In case you wonder or are hopeful that things are maybe moving in the right direction as far as recognition of harm done and the need for change and action, Within the last two weeks, Bob had a conversation with an overseer who dismissed Morgan's examples of abuse as "silly little things". He also in this conversation was victim blaming. However it is encouraging to read a letter written by Darryl Doland who has acknowledged the part that he has played in being complicit in trivializing, silencing and censoring these reports of abuses. We can only pray that these sentiments are contagious.
Please feel free to share as we don't have everyone's contact details.
Bob and Stacy
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Post by irish on Apr 17, 2023 13:19:40 GMT -5
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON’T GO TO THE WORKERS NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE A WORKER WOW WHOA ……………. Wings for Truth Adult-Adult Abuse Apr 16 WINGS has always been focused on support and guidance on every aspect of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) and to support victims of CSA. We have been aware of adult-adult abuse but have not posted details of those cases. However we have decided to post the letter below, even though it is out of scope, as it illustrates the victim blaming and abuser shifting that has occurred in CSA cases. The letter is being shared with permission given from the authors, Bob and Stacy Bainbridge, who own convention grounds in New Brunswick. The letter is in regards to their daughter, Morgan, who was in the work. Dear Friends, It is with Morgan's permission that we send this email. The absence of information and lack of acknowledgment of recent abuses and how its been or being handled has put and continues to put innocent people in harms way. So this is the reason for our letter. We would like to make clear the reason that Morgan is out of the work and in NZ. In March of 2021 Morgan brought information forward to the overseer about emotional/psychological/narcissistic abuse and sexual misconduct by two of her older companions. After hearing her experience he agreed that this behavior was abuse. When Morgan then informed him who the abusers were, he changed the subject. In the following weeks and months he made efforts to slander, discredit, undermine and portray her as a liar to cover up and dismiss the abuse. With the support and similar stories from others the overseer was forced to acknowledge the abuse yet again, the acknowledgement however, was short lived. With the continued support from staff other overseers were brought in from the USA. Many hours were spent in visits with the staff during their time here. It was at this time that one of these overseers suggested to Morgan that if she was just inventing trouble as an excuse to leave the work there was no need she could just leave. During Nov. 2021 Special meetings (on line) the staff workers along with visitors were together in NS. At this time a visiting worker inappropriately touched Morgan on two separate occasions. Morgan realized at this point the behaviors of abuse were far greater and more wide spread then she could have imagined. The eventual solution for all of this abuse was to move the abusers, one to Ontario, one temporarily to the USA and our overseer to Alberta. Morgan's only request at the time of reporting was for the abusers to step aside from the work and get the appropriate help/therapy needed. Instead we have made a safe haven for continued abuse. Some overseers in parts of Canada and the USA have sent letters to the elders in their fields to be read to their meetings, but many places still have have not. These things we all know are unpleasant and awkward to talk about but we cannot ignore the hurt and damage being done to the innocent. Going forward we need to know that these abusers are not just being shuffled to a different state or province to continue their abuse. These people need to be reported to the proper legal authorities. Think about the many, many, victims that have had their lives damaged and are spending months and years in therapy from the harm these abusers have caused. The lack of acknowledgement, action and dismissiveness exacerbates the feelings for the victims of abuse. These scars are with them forever, and the hurt goes far beyond the victims, it affects all of their family and friend. Please encourage our overseers that have influence in directing our workers to take the right course of action, be transparent in dealing with these abusers, report abuse. Victims need to be able to speak up and be taken seriously. Ps: In case you wonder or are hopeful that things are maybe moving in the right direction as far as recognition of harm done and the need for change and action, Within the last two weeks, Bob had a conversation with an overseer who dismissed Morgan's examples of abuse as "silly little things". He also in this conversation was victim blaming. However it is encouraging to read a letter written by Darryl Doland who has acknowledged the part that he has played in being complicit in trivializing, silencing and censoring these reports of abuses. We can only pray that these sentiments are contagious. Please feel free to share as we don't have everyone's contact details. Bob and Stacy Friends need to stop giving the workers money. Let them be truly itinerant and see how many of them stay in the work. As long as we keep forking over $ the workers assume that everything is hunky dory. The fact is, the fellowship can survive without the workers, but the workers can’t survive without the friends. I’m completely over the workers. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 17, 2023 14:05:35 GMT -5
Kudos to Morgan and her family , for standing up to the worker’s & SPEAKING OUT !! I hope she will be able heal but she is on a long journey and it’s lonely sometimes . A worker can’t trust another worker .
How wrong is this . LADY WORKERS WHOM HAVE BEEN VIOLATED PLEASE CONTINUE TO SPEAK AND MEN AS
WELL !
IN THE NAME OF GOD ? Such acts are vile . Perhaps Alberta should stop their meetings 🙃
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 17, 2023 14:37:33 GMT -5
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON’T GO TO THE WORKERS NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE A WORKER WOW WHOA ……………. Wings for Truth Adult-Adult Abuse Apr 16 WINGS has always been focused on support and guidance on every aspect of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) and to support victims of CSA. We have been aware of adult-adult abuse but have not posted details of those cases. However we have decided to post the letter below, even though it is out of scope, as it illustrates the victim blaming and abuser shifting that has occurred in CSA cases. The letter is being shared with permission given from the authors, Bob and Stacy Bainbridge, who own convention grounds in New Brunswick. The letter is in regards to their daughter, Morgan, who was in the work. Dear Friends, It is with Morgan's permission that we send this email. The absence of information and lack of acknowledgment of recent abuses and how its been or being handled has put and continues to put innocent people in harms way. So this is the reason for our letter. We would like to make clear the reason that Morgan is out of the work and in NZ. In March of 2021 Morgan brought information forward to the overseer about emotional/psychological/narcissistic abuse and sexual misconduct by two of her older companions. After hearing her experience he agreed that this behavior was abuse. When Morgan then informed him who the abusers were, he changed the subject. In the following weeks and months he made efforts to slander, discredit, undermine and portray her as a liar to cover up and dismiss the abuse. With the support and similar stories from others the overseer was forced to acknowledge the abuse yet again, the acknowledgement however, was short lived. With the continued support from staff other overseers were brought in from the USA. Many hours were spent in visits with the staff during their time here. It was at this time that one of these overseers suggested to Morgan that if she was just inventing trouble as an excuse to leave the work there was no need she could just leave. During Nov. 2021 Special meetings (on line) the staff workers along with visitors were together in NS. At this time a visiting worker inappropriately touched Morgan on two separate occasions. Morgan realized at this point the behaviors of abuse were far greater and more wide spread then she could have imagined. The eventual solution for all of this abuse was to move the abusers, one to Ontario, one temporarily to the USA and our overseer to Alberta. Morgan's only request at the time of reporting was for the abusers to step aside from the work and get the appropriate help/therapy needed. Instead we have made a safe haven for continued abuse. Some overseers in parts of Canada and the USA have sent letters to the elders in their fields to be read to their meetings, but many places still have have not. These things we all know are unpleasant and awkward to talk about but we cannot ignore the hurt and damage being done to the innocent. Going forward we need to know that these abusers are not just being shuffled to a different state or province to continue their abuse. These people need to be reported to the proper legal authorities. Think about the many, many, victims that have had their lives damaged and are spending months and years in therapy from the harm these abusers have caused. The lack of acknowledgement, action and dismissiveness exacerbates the feelings for the victims of abuse. These scars are with them forever, and the hurt goes far beyond the victims, it affects all of their family and friend. Please encourage our overseers that have influence in directing our workers to take the right course of action, be transparent in dealing with these abusers, report abuse. Victims need to be able to speak up and be taken seriously. Ps: In case you wonder or are hopeful that things are maybe moving in the right direction as far as recognition of harm done and the need for change and action, Within the last two weeks, Bob had a conversation with an overseer who dismissed Morgan's examples of abuse as "silly little things". He also in this conversation was victim blaming. However it is encouraging to read a letter written by Darryl Doland who has acknowledged the part that he has played in being complicit in trivializing, silencing and censoring these reports of abuses. We can only pray that these sentiments are contagious. Please feel free to share as we don't have everyone's contact details. Bob and Stacy Friends need to stop giving the workers money. Let them be truly itinerant and see how many of them stay in the work. As long as we keep forking over $ the workers assume that everything is hunky dory. The fact is, the fellowship can survive without the workers, but the workers can’t survive without the friends. I’m completely over the workers. Nail on the head. But you are probably going to be sent to hell for saying so. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 17, 2023 14:39:16 GMT -5
Kudos to Morgan and her family , for standing up to the worker’s & SPEAKING OUT !! I hope she will be able heal but she is on a long journey and it’s lonely sometimes . A worker can’t trust another worker . How wrong is this . LADY WORKERS WHOM HAVE BEEN VIOLATED PLEASE CONTINUE TO SPEAK AND MEN AS WELL ! IN THE NAME OF GOD ? Such acts are vile . Perhaps Alberta should stop their meetings 🙃 The friends should boot the workers out. See how they survive in the real world. |
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2023 14:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 17, 2023 15:03:37 GMT -5
Thank you for posting that. I saw it the other day and thought how true it is. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 17, 2023 15:05:12 GMT -5
Take note internationalstudies |
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2023 15:20:00 GMT -5
I am once again appalled by that letter. The workers need to understand that when they are talking to the friends or exes that express themselves in what they call a 'bitter mindset', that we all process things differently. And when we're talking about CSA and moving abusers around so they can continue to abuse etc. can any worker rightfully blame them for coming across as 'bitter'? If anyone has the right to being bitter about a subject, then I would say CSA is definitely the one. Listening to all is a better way of going forward imo because even the 'bitter' have good ideas. But when workers disregard their good ideas by labelling them as bitter they miss out on solutions that they should be wanting to find.
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 17, 2023 15:32:00 GMT -5
I am once again appalled by that letter. The workers need to understand that when they are talking to the friends or exes that express themselves in what they call a 'bitter mindset', that we all process things differently. And when we're talking about CSA and moving abusers around so they can continue to abuse etc. can any worker rightfully blame them for coming across as 'bitter'? If anyone has the right to being bitter about a subject, then I would say CSA is definitely the one. Listening to all is a better way of going forward imo because even the 'bitter' have good ideas. But when workers disregard their good ideas by labelling them as bitter they miss out on solutions that they should be wanting to find. Thank you for bringing words to a situation that I have not (so far) had words for. I was somehow stuck in the self-flagellation of labels like "naivete", "ignorance" and more. Seriously, this has to stop. Really stop. Now. No, more like yesterday, or the day before. I mentally count up the little kids and the vulnerable adults who have been harmed by the policies of the last 50+ years. When I should have known better. When we all should have known better. |
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2023 15:51:29 GMT -5
I am once again appalled by that letter. The workers need to understand that when they are talking to the friends or exes that express themselves in what they call a 'bitter mindset', that we all process things differently. And when we're talking about CSA and moving abusers around so they can continue to abuse etc. can any worker rightfully blame them for coming across as 'bitter'? If anyone has the right to being bitter about a subject, then I would say CSA is definitely the one. Listening to all is a better way of going forward imo because even the 'bitter' have good ideas. But when workers disregard their good ideas by labelling them as bitter they miss out on solutions that they should be wanting to find. Thank you for bringing words to a situation that I have not (so far) had words for. I was somehow stuck in the self-flagellation of labels like "naivete", "ignorance" and more. Seriously, this has to stop. Really stop. Now. No, more like yesterday, or the day before. I mentally count up the little kids and the vulnerable adults who have been harmed by the policies of the last 50+ years. When I should have known better. When we all should have known better. I totally agree that this has to stop now. I just don't know how to do anything about it from where I stand. I know very few of the friends anymore. I've not professed for 55 years now. I did have access and knew quite a few when my parents were still alive, but it has been 18 years since my last mom died. It doesn't feel right to me to talk to the ones I still know other than to check in with them to make sure they are okay. I have done some of that. Bottom line it's going to be up to the ones that are still professing or have lots of family still professing for there to be much impact on how the workers make changes. Hopefully this latest news of Dean will have information more widespread and there will be more pressure from the friends? Reporting their abusers is so important and possibly even suing those workers that did know and belittled them and moved the abusers. |
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 17, 2023 17:41:11 GMT -5
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON’T GO TO THE WORKERS NOT EVEN IF YOU ARE A WORKER WOW WHOA ……………. Wings for Truth Adult-Adult Abuse Apr 16 WINGS has always been focused on support and guidance on every aspect of Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) and to support victims of CSA. We have been aware of adult-adult abuse but have not posted details of those cases. However we have decided to post the letter below, even though it is out of scope, as it illustrates the victim blaming and abuser shifting that has occurred in CSA cases. The letter is being shared with permission given from the authors, Bob and Stacy Bainbridge, who own convention grounds in New Brunswick. The letter is in regards to their daughter, Morgan, who was in the work. Dear Friends, It is with Morgan's permission that we send this email. The absence of information and lack of acknowledgment of recent abuses and how its been or being handled has put and continues to put innocent people in harms way. So this is the reason for our letter. We would like to make clear the reason that Morgan is out of the work and in NZ. In March of 2021 Morgan brought information forward to the overseer about emotional/psychological/narcissistic abuse and sexual misconduct by two of her older companions. After hearing her experience he agreed that this behavior was abuse. When Morgan then informed him who the abusers were, he changed the subject. In the following weeks and months he made efforts to slander, discredit, undermine and portray her as a liar to cover up and dismiss the abuse. With the support and similar stories from others the overseer was forced to acknowledge the abuse yet again, the acknowledgement however, was short lived. With the continued support from staff other overseers were brought in from the USA. Many hours were spent in visits with the staff during their time here. It was at this time that one of these overseers suggested to Morgan that if she was just inventing trouble as an excuse to leave the work there was no need she could just leave. During Nov. 2021 Special meetings (on line) the staff workers along with visitors were together in NS. At this time a visiting worker inappropriately touched Morgan on two separate occasions. Morgan realized at this point the behaviors of abuse were far greater and more wide spread then she could have imagined. The eventual solution for all of this abuse was to move the abusers, one to Ontario, one temporarily to the USA and our overseer to Alberta. Morgan's only request at the time of reporting was for the abusers to step aside from the work and get the appropriate help/therapy needed. Instead we have made a safe haven for continued abuse. Some overseers in parts of Canada and the USA have sent letters to the elders in their fields to be read to their meetings, but many places still have have not. These things we all know are unpleasant and awkward to talk about but we cannot ignore the hurt and damage being done to the innocent. Going forward we need to know that these abusers are not just being shuffled to a different state or province to continue their abuse. These people need to be reported to the proper legal authorities. Think about the many, many, victims that have had their lives damaged and are spending months and years in therapy from the harm these abusers have caused. The lack of acknowledgement, action and dismissiveness exacerbates the feelings for the victims of abuse. These scars are with them forever, and the hurt goes far beyond the victims, it affects all of their family and friend. Please encourage our overseers that have influence in directing our workers to take the right course of action, be transparent in dealing with these abusers, report abuse. Victims need to be able to speak up and be taken seriously. Ps: In case you wonder or are hopeful that things are maybe moving in the right direction as far as recognition of harm done and the need for change and action, Within the last two weeks, Bob had a conversation with an overseer who dismissed Morgan's examples of abuse as "silly little things". He also in this conversation was victim blaming. However it is encouraging to read a letter written by Darryl Doland who has acknowledged the part that he has played in being complicit in trivializing, silencing and censoring these reports of abuses. We can only pray that these sentiments are contagious. Please feel free to share as we don't have everyone's contact details. Bob and Stacy Friends need to stop giving the workers money. Let them be truly itinerant and see how many of them stay in the work. As long as we keep forking over $ the workers assume that everything is hunky dory. The fact is, the fellowship can survive without the workers, but the workers can’t survive without the friends. I’m completely over the workers. There is plenty of money in the trust funds Morgan's family has a bit of real leverage as convention ground owners. Professing people don't care about victims getting abused and molested, but they DEFINITELY care about getting their 4 days of convention stew. Interrupting that is what will really make waves, even if temporary. |
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 17, 2023 18:28:13 GMT -5
Congrats to Dean Bruer for getting his own website! www.deanbruer.info/First overseer and probably first worker to ever have a personally named domain! |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 17, 2023 18:52:11 GMT -5
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