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Post by nathan2 on Sept 28, 2022 23:24:31 GMT -5
FYI, my first year and 3rd year companion in Oregon KNOW about my work on the Internet. A few years back my 3rd year older companion sent me an email that my first year companion wants my email because while he was on conventions rounds in South America an English older sister who labored in Europe asked him if he knew a person name Nathan B? And he told yes, he was my companion. She began to tell him 5 people are attending her gospel meetings through reading my website. He sent me her email and I wrote to her. The friends in Oregon told the older sister in my field awhile Bach about my activities on TMB and how they appreciate my spirit. The sister worker labored on Guam so, she had heard about me and my testimony. We talked about Cherie K. TTT site. Many workers know about my activities on the Internet and partipation on TMB over 20 years. The native Vietnamese workers and the friends know about my work on the Internet. I have met many friends around the world through the Internet/TMB. Like I said, they don’t seem very bothered by your internet work. But they also don’t seem bothered by the fact that they have preached lies about the origin of their faith, or that people have been damaged by the lies, so why should I be surprised. not much accountability. ** The early days workers did NOT lie to you... There has always been Jesus apostles/workers exist on earth. The early days workers were the apostles of Christ in the 21st century. As long there are people live on earth God and Christ will raise up men and women to carry on the true gospel of His New Testament so they can be SAVED. Many people will be VERY angry at themselves for given up the Truth in Jesus because so and so lie to them. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 28, 2022 23:28:07 GMT -5
verna, imagine the Workers response to a book written by nathan !! Who knows? I don’t see any indication that they are too bothered by his internet work. Well that is a good point verna. The unchanging way sure has changed ! |
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 28, 2022 23:32:41 GMT -5
Like I said, they don’t seem very bothered by your internet work. But they also don’t seem bothered by the fact that they have preached lies about the origin of their faith, or that people have been damaged by the lies, so why should I be surprised. not much accountability. ** The early days workers did NOT lie to you... There has always been Jesus apostles/workers exist on earth. The early days workers were the apostles of Christ in the 21st century. As long there are people live on earth God and Christ will raise up men and women to carry on the true gospel of His New Testament so they can be SAVED. Many people will be VERY angry at themselves for given up the Truth in Jesus. But what you "teach" is not what the Workers teach nathan. You don't believe what the Workers believe. |
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 28, 2022 23:39:54 GMT -5
** The early days workers did NOT lie to you... There has always been Jesus apostles/workers exist on earth. The early days workers were the apostles of Christ in the 21st century. As long there are people live on earth God and Christ will raise up men and women to carry on the true gospel of His New Testament so they can be SAVED. Many people will be VERY angry at themselves for given up the Truth in Jesus. But what you "teach" is not what the Workers teach nathan. You don't believe what the Workers believe. ** The workers and myself believe in Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and worship gathering in the homes of believers. Jesus saves us! That is the most important thing to know and believe and what I believe and teach are secondary it has NOTHING to do with Salvation just for head knowledge. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 29, 2022 0:06:12 GMT -5
But what you "teach" is not what the Workers teach nathan. You don't believe what the Workers believe. ** The workers and myself believe in Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and worship gathering in the homes of believers. Jesus saves us! That is the most important thing to know and believe and what I believe and teach are secondary it has NOTHING to do with Salvation just for head knowledge. we all know from your many repeated posts on here, what you believe and it is not what the Workers believe, you cannot help adding your version because you like to "big note" yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2022 1:00:11 GMT -5
What are you talking about? Who wrote which book?
‘In my book that overseer had a good vision of finding various way to reach the mmillions to hear and know the true gospel of Jesus Christ’ is what you wrote. I guess you likely meant “in my opinion”. I don’t generally read your posts very thoroughly. I thought you were referring to your book. "In my Book" is just another expression for "In my opinion" it is slang... |
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Post by Dan on Sept 29, 2022 2:06:38 GMT -5
They told me from the platform that the internet was basically evil, so one has to assume workers using the Internet are evil......they set the standard not me...
In the beginning, the internet was essentially entertainment and news, but when a couple of Workers got unsolicited emails with links to porn sites, that's the type of evil that they were indirectly referring to. But today, its practically a necessary tool; communication, gps maps, printing, etc. There's good and bad to everything, i.e; alcohol can disinfect a wound or get you drunk.
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2022 6:09:02 GMT -5
The ever changing gospel of the 2x2's.........
I will be back in a few hours.I didn't realise Jesus preached about the evil internet........ |
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2022 6:20:21 GMT -5
Man - somebody should have told the workers how many people they could reach via television!!! I was pretty sure they would have been able to figure that out but I guess they were too busy proclaiming it evil. Geez Louise Nathan. Seriously? ** One of the overseers in Oregon around 1970s wanted to use radios as another method to reach the millions of people with the gospel. Well, that didn't go too well with most of the workers so, it didn't happen. In my book that overseer had a good vision of finding various way to reach the mmillions to hear and know the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Leo Stancliff, had Bible studies 3 days a week 3 hours each time from 12PM-3PM for the college students and faculties on the University campus lawn from 1978-81. 12 of the students professed but only half has continued on. I went in the work in Oregon, another sister started in work in Calf. 3 had offered for the work but they didn't pan out. Now, we have two children from those students are workers in Calf. Staff. I am so glad that Leo Stancliff and his co-workers tried various methods in reaching and findings lost sheep, lost coins in the world. When I was in the work, two of my older co-workers had Bible studies at the colleges. We tried various ways to share the gospel with people NOT just having the two gospel meetings a week. Internet/TMB is my cup of tea! Is my calling to reach the mmillions with the message of Christ.  "I am so glad that Leo Stancliff and his co-workers tried various methods in reaching and findings lost sheep, lost coins in the world." To me that sums up the fact that Workers play God. You have put the Workers in the position of the God character in these parables and you didn't do it by mistake, you did it because you have never understood it and just like your teacher Leo, are/was ignorant of the Hebrew culture surrounding these 3 parables and have abused them. |
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2022 6:27:11 GMT -5
But what you "teach" is not what the Workers teach nathan. You don't believe what the Workers believe. ** The workers and myself believe in Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and worship gathering in the homes of believers. Jesus saves us! That is the most important thing to know and believe and what I believe and teach are secondary it has NOTHING to do with Salvation just for head knowledge. You and the workers have mistaken it for something it's not. It is however a heavily crafted ministry by William Irvine that you and the workers follow void of any 1st century context. |
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Post by chuck on Sept 29, 2022 6:47:37 GMT -5
They told me from the platform that the internet was basically evil, so one has to assume workers using the Internet are evil......they set the standard not me...
In the beginning, the internet was essentially entertainment and news, but when a couple of Workers got unsolicited emails with links to porn sites, that's the type of evil that they were indirectly referring to. But today, its practically a necessary tool; communication, gps maps, printing, etc. There's good and bad to everything, i.e; alcohol can disinfect a wound or get you drunk.
Not sure why you are covering for them but anyway. I know what I heard. |
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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2022 8:25:32 GMT -5
The 2x2 workers preaching and the friends teachings the gospel of Jesus Christ SAVES us is still the same todays as in the days of Jesus and apostles. Jesus Christ the same as Yesterday, today and forever. The method of Salvation is still the SAME today, from Faith to Faith or Life begets Life.
I will be back in a few hours. I didn't realise Jesus preached about the evil internet........ |
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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2022 8:30:20 GMT -5
** One of the overseers in Oregon around 1970s wanted to use radios as another method to reach the millions of people with the gospel. Well, that didn't go too well with most of the workers so, it didn't happen. In my book that overseer had a good vision of finding various way to reach the mmillions to hear and know the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Leo Stancliff, had Bible studies 3 days a week 3 hours each time from 12PM-3PM for the college students and faculties on the University campus lawn from 1978-81. 12 of the students professed but only half has continued on. I went in the work in Oregon, another sister started in work in Calf. 3 had offered for the work but they didn't pan out. Now, we have two children from those students are workers in Calf. Staff. I am so glad that Leo Stancliff and his co-workers tried various methods in reaching and findings lost sheep, lost coins in the world. When I was in the work, two of my older co-workers had Bible studies at the colleges. We tried various ways to share the gospel with people NOT just having the two gospel meetings a week. Internet/TMB is my cup of tea! Is my calling to reach the mmillions with the message of Christ. "I am so glad that Leo Stancliff and his co-workers tried various methods in reaching and findings lost sheep, lost coins in the world." To me that sums up the fact that Workers play God. You have put the Workers in the position of the God character in these parables and you didn't do it by mistake, you did it because you have never understood it and just like your teacher Leo, are/was ignorant of the Hebrew culture surrounding these 3 parables and have abused them.
Like many on here have expressed, with your understanding the Hebrew culture to understand the Bible has messed up your thinking and mind about the Scriptures without trusting in the Holy Spirit to guide you.
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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2022 8:35:57 GMT -5
** The workers and myself believe in Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and worship gathering in the homes of believers. Jesus saves us! That is the most important thing to know and believe and what I believe and teach are secondary it has NOTHING to do with Salvation just for head knowledge. we all know from your many repeated posts on here, what you believe and it is not what the Workers believe, you cannot help adding your version because you like to "big note" yourself.
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Post by nathan on Sept 29, 2022 9:15:26 GMT -5
** The workers and myself believe in Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and worship gathering in the homes of believers. Jesus saves us! That is the most important thing to know and believe and what I believe and teach are secondary it has NOTHING to do with Salvation just for head knowledge. You and the workers have mistaken it for something it's not. It is however a heavily crafted ministry by William Irvine that you and the workers follow void of any 1st century context.
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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2022 9:15:50 GMT -5
Like I said, they don’t seem very bothered by your internet work. But they also don’t seem bothered by the fact that they have preached lies about the origin of their faith, or that people have been damaged by the lies, so why should I be surprised. not much accountability. ** The early days workers did NOT lie to you... There has always been Jesus apostles/workers exist on earth. The early days workers were the apostles of Christ in the 21st century. As long there are people live on earth God and Christ will raise up men and women to carry on the true gospel of His New Testament so they can be SAVED. Many people will be VERY angry at themselves for given up the Truth in Jesus because so and so lie to them. Nathan if this was the case, and there was no secret, they would have spoken freely of William Irvine and how he carried forth the message. Nope no mention of William Irvine. I cannot trust people who refuse to be honest. |
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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2022 9:17:04 GMT -5
‘In my book that overseer had a good vision of finding various way to reach the mmillions to hear and know the true gospel of Jesus Christ’ is what you wrote. I guess you likely meant “in my opinion”. I don’t generally read your posts very thoroughly. I thought you were referring to your book. "In my Book" is just another expression for "In my opinion" it is slang... Wally - that’s what I just said. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 29, 2022 9:39:14 GMT -5
nathan we all know from your many repeated posts on here, what you believe and it is not what the Workers believe, you cannot help adding your version because you like to "big note" yourself.
The thing is nathan, you're not Paul, as for your revelation from God, once you start saying God told you JC lives on Venus you are as far from what the Workers believe as any atheist. As for learning, repeating rubbish from YouTube isn't learning. As I have said many many times before, go start your own church instead of trying imply that you're a 2x2. |
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 14:08:32 GMT -5
** The early days workers did NOT lie to you... There has always been Jesus apostles/workers exist on earth. The early days workers were the apostles of Christ in the 21st century. As long there are people live on earth God and Christ will raise up men and women to carry on the true gospel of His New Testament so they can be SAVED. Many people will be VERY angry at themselves for given up the Truth in Jesus because so and so lie to them. Nathan if this was the case, and there was no secret, they would have spoken freely of William Irvine and how he carried forth the message. Nope no mention of William Irvine. I cannot trust people who refuse to be honest. ** William Irvine had a good start in the ministry of 2x2 a man of God and winner of souls for Christ in 1897-1900s according to John Long Journal. William Irvine got Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Faith Mission and many of his 2x2s converts came from the missions when he was a preacher for that group. Many of William Irvine's converts from the Faith Missions in 1897-98, didn't want to join or become members of that group. They didn't want to go back to the churches which they had left or want to join another church denomination. William I. Was unhappy with the Faith Mission organization, he left them in 12/1900. Then he joined force with his 2x2s workers, then he became one of the leaders of the group. John Long and Edward Cooney were the leading workers as much as William Irvine. The Faith Mission group copied Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry from the group similar to the Vaudois, Waldenses, Albigenses and so on. |
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Post by snow on Sept 29, 2022 14:34:54 GMT -5
So, God is pro internet and computers? Good to know that. *€,0 .iBet he wishes he'd thought of that when he was laboring over putting the 10 commandments on to a stone tablet. Today's tablets are so much more user friendly...  ** I post a post/message on TMB and it can reach around the globe and people can read in a few seconds. It's travel much faster than the workers method of preaching come and see. Internet is one of the most powerful tools to use and share the gospel message with people. They can read at home at their own pace and without pressures. If they want to hear more, then we send the workers to them. Sometimes people are too shy to attend the workers gospel meetings and they don't know anything about the preachers background and so on. I had good results with my 2x2 message board, I told my customers about it and I had over 100,000 hits. They asked which church I attend and I told them I had been a minister but now I teach on line. I am in contacts with 1000s of people and teachings millions of people now than when I was a full time preacher. I had very little contact with public, and people were afraid in talking to us. Most of my preaching and teachings were to the friends in the small fields about 50 to 100 friends. Now, I have contacts with the exes, 2x2s friends, workers around the world and my message and teachings can reach to many places, countries and people around the world. I know all that. I know it's convenient and more efficient. That wasn't my question though. How can something deemed evil, not be evil just because it becomes convenient? |
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Post by verna on Sept 29, 2022 14:49:47 GMT -5
Nathan if this was the case, and there was no secret, they would have spoken freely of William Irvine and how he carried forth the message. Nope no mention of William Irvine. I cannot trust people who refuse to be honest. ** William Irvine had a good start in the ministry of 2x2 a man of God and winner of souls for Christ in 1897-1900s according to John Long Journal. William Irvine got Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Faith Mission and many of his 2x2s converts came from the missions when he was a preacher for that group. Many of William Irvine's converts from the Faith Missions in 1897-98, didn't want to join or become members of that group. They didn't want to go back to the churches which they had left or want to join another church denomination. William I. Was unhappy with the Faith Mission organization, he left them in 12/1900. Then he joined force with his 2x2s workers, then he became one of the leaders of the group. John Long and Edward Cooney were the leading workers as much as William Irvine. The Faith Mission group copied Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry from the group similar to the Vaudois, Waldenses, Albigenses and so on. so why not tell this story then? Why hide? |
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Post by help on Sept 29, 2022 15:08:01 GMT -5
The Workers found out that the internet was a very convenient way to move money around the World between bank accounts. That was not evil in their opinion, just keeping up with the times. But the old line that was used in our day, "Without script or purse" was no longer valid, so they dropped that out as they did with so many of those phony ones they used in the beginning. Like everything else, religion follows society, when it comes to personal convenience.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 15:10:54 GMT -5
** I post a post/message on TMB and it can reach around the globe and people can read in a few seconds. It's travel much faster than the workers method of preaching come and see. Internet is one of the most powerful tools to use and share the gospel message with people. They can read at home at their own pace and without pressures. If they want to hear more, then we send the workers to them. Sometimes people are too shy to attend the workers gospel meetings and they don't know anything about the preachers background and so on. I had good results with my 2x2 message board, I told my customers about it and I had over 100,000 hits. They asked which church I attend and I told them I had been a minister but now I teach on line. I am in contacts with 1000s of people and teachings millions of people now than when I was a full time preacher. I had very little contact with public, and people were afraid in talking to us. Most of my preaching and teachings were to the friends in the small fields about 50 to 100 friends. Now, I have contacts with the exes, 2x2s friends, workers around the world and my message and teachings can reach to many places, countries and people around the world. I know all that. I know it's convenient and more efficient. That wasn't my question though. How can something deemed evil, not be evil just because it becomes convenient? ** Internet like fire it can be VERY deadly in the hand of arsonist. The fire can safe life with cooking foods, keep our bodies warm in the winter and so on. So, the Internet/fire can give life or take life it depends how a person uses it. |
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 15:21:12 GMT -5
The Workers found out that the internet was a very convenient way to move money around the World between bank accounts. That was not evil in their opinion, just keeping up with the times. But the old line that was used in our day, "Without script or purse" was no longer valid, so they dropped that out as they did with so many of those phony ones they used in the beginning. Like everything else, religion follows society, when it comes to personal convenience. ** Well, where do you think Paul and his co-workers get the money for their 3 world wide gospel missions and special meetings tours to strengthen the followers faith. They had to have money for foods, pay for the places where they stay for the night, fare to go on the ship to travel from one place to another. Without purse or scripts instruction for the 12 and 70 apostles on their limited/3 weeks missions. Jesus did NOT want the 12 and 70 NOT to burden down with too many unessarry belongings, extra-foods and so. God will supply their needs through the kindness of strangers and those who received their message of Salvation. |
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Post by snow on Sept 29, 2022 15:24:17 GMT -5
I know all that. I know it's convenient and more efficient. That wasn't my question though. How can something deemed evil, not be evil just because it becomes convenient? ** Internet like fire it can be VERY deadly in the hand of arsonist. The fire can safe life with cooking foods, keep our bodies warm in the winter and so on. So, the Internet/fire can give life or take life it depends how a person uses it. While you didn't answer the question about how evil isn't evil anymore when it's convenient, I do agree with what you did say. It definitely can be used for both good and bad. No question. |
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Post by help on Sept 29, 2022 15:24:31 GMT -5
There is almost a never ending number of religious messages on the net to choose from. You can find out all about any church or religion you choose.
Very hard to understand why Nathan's message would be the only right one.
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Post by help on Sept 29, 2022 15:29:07 GMT -5
Those early Workers used to use the line "Without script or purse" frequently, it was a badge of honour. Never ever heard it was only to last for three weeks.
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 29, 2022 15:29:17 GMT -5
** William Irvine had a good start in the ministry of 2x2 a man of God and winner of souls for Christ in 1897-1900s according to John Long Journal. William Irvine got Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry from the Faith Mission and many of his 2x2s converts came from the missions when he was a preacher for that group. Many of William Irvine's converts from the Faith Missions in 1897-98, didn't want to join or become members of that group. They didn't want to go back to the churches which they had left or want to join another church denomination. William I. Was unhappy with the Faith Mission organization, he left them in 12/1900. Then he joined force with his 2x2s workers, then he became one of the leaders of the group. John Long and Edward Cooney were the leading workers as much as William Irvine. The Faith Mission group copied Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry from the group similar to the Vaudois, Waldenses, Albigenses and so on. so why not tell this story then? Why hide? *** They did, read Patterson account on the early days, George Walker letter to U.S. selective service government during WWII. I posted on TMB the 2 letters to a worker in 2001 where he mentioned the history of the early days. Dr. Cornelius/professing man from Canada wrote a book about the history of 2x2, he mentioned in the early days the senior workers consider William Irvine as one of the leaders NOT a founder. |
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