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Post by chuck on Aug 16, 2021 4:04:44 GMT -5
John 3:16 speaks only about a person of faith believing on Jesus Christ having eternal life. Therefore, when a p is rson with that faith dies, their soul enters Paradise in heaven to "rest" until the first resurrection. Yes, they have received salvation by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. After resurrection each resurrected eternal body and soul will then come before Jesus Christ to answer for what thryve done in their believing life. Even unto why they did whatever it was they did. There are 5 crowns awaiting believing souls in that Behema seat judgment. The Behema seat judgment is NOT ABOUT WHETHER THESE FAITHFUL PEOPLE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE because that's already been decided and they're of the first resurrection, but about their deeds and what rewards they may be given. The English bible doesnt speak of the Behema seat, but the Latin and Jewish bibles do. The Behema seat was a dias that was raised where the judge could watch the races or competitions on the ground around him. After all the competition is ons or races were complete, than the contestants for each competition would come upon the dias before the judge of the competition, and stand before the judge and he would call out the status of each competitor and what reward was for each place winning. This is very much like the Behema judgment those resurrected faithful will stand before Jesus Christ and answer for what deeds theyve done and why they did them. Then Jesus will tell them and others standing around what that person will be rewarded and what crown(s) are his/hers. And since there will be some who's deeds do not or did not stand the test by fire, they will not receive any rewards or any crowns. But their souls are saved and resurrected into eternal life. The thief on the cross is the first one that's known about I think it was Wally who said once, he thought eternal life was an awesome reward in itself. Hmm - sounds from this that the concept is fashioned after a human tradition. No? We experience eternal life in moments when we do something for someone who can do nothing in return...Good Samaritan... This idea that eternal life is a reward once we reach heaven in the sky has been made up.
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Post by chuck on Aug 16, 2021 4:06:34 GMT -5
Women were also considered chattels alongside the man's oxen and donkeys. How many wives would a wealthy Hebrew have? Job obviously had only one. She told him to curse God and die. But I'm sure she lived to regret that because they became even richer and she had another litter of kids. Job is a poem.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 16, 2021 4:43:40 GMT -5
Job obviously had only one. She told him to curse God and die. But I'm sure she lived to regret that because they became even richer and she had another litter of kids. Job is a poem. I have read better. Try Edmund Spenser"s "Faerie Queen"
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Post by mountain on Aug 16, 2021 8:22:44 GMT -5
Job obviously had only one. She told him to curse God and die. But I'm sure she lived to regret that because they became even richer and she had another litter of kids. Job is a poem. I hardly think that Jim, half brother of Jesus, was using a fictitious character, or indeed a poem, to encourage believers to be patient in times of suffering affliction, etc. The patience of Job was real.....very real! James 5 KJV 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 16, 2021 9:47:59 GMT -5
I hardly think that Jim, half brother of Jesus, was using a fictitious character, or indeed a poem, to encourage believers to be patient in times of suffering affliction, etc. The patience of Job was real.....very real! James 5 KJV 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.And it's real because it is mentioned in the New Testement. Ever heard of circular reasoning?
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Post by mountain on Aug 16, 2021 9:55:51 GMT -5
I hardly think that Jim, half brother of Jesus, was using a fictitious character, or indeed a poem, to encourage believers to be patient in times of suffering affliction, etc. The patience of Job was real.....very real! James 5 KJV 10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.And it's real because it is mentioned in the New Testement. Ever heard of circular reasoning? First, do you understand the definition of testament or even testimony? Second, what has the understanding of geometry got to do with all this?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 16, 2021 10:04:42 GMT -5
And it's real because it is mentioned in the New Testement. Ever heard of circular reasoning? First, do you understand the definition of testament or even testimony? Second, what has the understanding of geometry got to do with all this? No jury would convict on such dubious testament. Your second question is not worth answering. Stick to your day job.
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Post by mountain on Aug 16, 2021 10:29:37 GMT -5
First, do you understand the definition of testament or even testimony? Second, what has the understanding of geometry got to do with all this? No jury would convict on such dubious testament. By today's standards of evidence in Scotland, which generally holds to a much higher degree than the rest of the world, there is a sufficiency of oral testimony to prove the case. However, due to there being no living witness today, there is not the opportunity for cross examination, which of course is something you will seize hold of.
Your second question is not worth answering. I will regard that as an inability to answer the question correctly.
Stick to your day job. I was, albeit belatedly! In Acts 10 Peter states this:
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
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Post by rejoicing on Sept 7, 2021 0:13:45 GMT -5
Concept was first, then mankind made it tradition. I wonder. Wish I was more knowledgeable but it sure sounds to me like a human concept to me. I know we often write our own experiences into our concepts and that is what I suspect happened. But no evidence so I will not comment more. Interested in learning more though. I have noticed that many good principles of life Jesus spoke about often are the basis for custom and tradition.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 13, 2021 4:20:39 GMT -5
I wonder. Wish I was more knowledgeable but it sure sounds to me like a human concept to me. I know we often write our own experiences into our concepts and that is what I suspect happened. But no evidence so I will not comment more. Interested in learning more though. I have noticed that many good principles of life Jesus spoke about often are the basis for custom and tradition. Many good principles of life are not just the perogative of your jesus or the Jews and christians. Many peoples around the world who had never heard of your jesus would have had those good principles. To say otherwise would mean that the Jewsih religion and it's off shoots would have been widely known completely around the world 2000 years ago. That is simply silly and has no basis in history.
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