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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 21:13:13 GMT -5
Ask Abraham or better yet read the story for yourself in the bible.... Abraham is character not a person so that may be a bit difficult. I think the question was what do you picture wally?, not "what should I do wally?".... I understand he probably heard the still small voice give him marching orders and he complied 100%. it was a lesson in what was to come in the future with Christ.
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Post by rejoicing on Aug 9, 2021 21:20:31 GMT -5
How are they going to suffer? Seems Jesus made that very clear on the cross when he said, "My God, my God! Why hasn't thou forsaken me?" Jesus suffered that lost eternity for mankind on the cross. It isnt a fi err ry pit of burning hell in reality. It's an eternity not being able to talk to God, to have a relationship with him. I believe Pail mentioned that the saints would judge the unsaved. But that is in the end times. It's not actually saints riding up and telling each unsaved person where they must go, but the meaning is that BY THE ABILITY of the saints to live Godly lives is how the Just Judge will judge the unjust. But then the saints are judged by a tougher law. The law of Jesus Christ, we will be judged by the life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. "You will have to drink the wine that God gives to everyone who makes him angry. You will feel his mighty anger, and you will be tortured with fire and burning sulfur, while the holy angels and the Lamb look on." - Revelation 14:10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+14%3A10&version=CEV Do what Chuck recommends and read this with the viewpoint of the people at the time, not modern Westerners. Being tortured with fire and burning sulfur would mean that the God will cut you and pour burning sulfur in your wounds. The Lamb (Jesus) and holy angels look on just as the powerful, cruel and brutal rulers of the time would have watched in amusement at their subjects being tortured. This shows you the character of the God you serve. A wicked torture monster. Hes not a torture monster. Do you not get angry when someone you have a right to expect better of, just is foolish and dont do what you are sure they are capable of? Do you not use your position of authority in such situations to put your displeasure upon those whom have failed to do either that which you expect or dont do that which they've said they'll do? I've know some who are in authority to level out what some think are really torture or unfair exactment on those beneath their authority. So if mankind can do such, why is it so awful when God does exactly what humans do to other humans? Human authority is temporary, so wed not expect them to exact eternal punishment, but God is from everlasting to everlasting, so yes, his punishments on human failures and sins could well be eternal. However were r, God has a covenant with Jesus Christ our redeemer. In the OT, the Mosaic-God covenant was "If they will." The NT covenant between God and Jesus Christ is "I will.." so I'd expect to find a whole lot more Mercy under the Jesus Christ covenant.
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Post by Dan on Aug 9, 2021 21:23:42 GMT -5
Exactly what it says, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" (Matthew 22:29). No interpretation or clarification needed because its self-explanatory, some things mean exactly what they say.
But Dan, -you say "its up to us to learn and understand what the interpretation of any passage means," yet you also say that it is "self-explanatory!"
So it really isn't "self-explanatory" to just say it if you also have to "learn and understand" what it means does it?!
It also requires actions, -not just saying that one does "love thy neighbor as thyself!" You still are not explaining what one's actions should be toward "one's neighbor."Who is one's neighbor and how does one act towards that person to show they are following that commandment?
The second greatest commandment is self-explanatory, nothing to interpret... Treat others the same way you would like them to treat you, that's showing them respect and brotherly love. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12). The golden rule.
Your actions towards a neighbor should reflect the same compassion and understanding you have for yourself. It doesn't always require being nice. If I damaged my neighbors car, I'd pay for the repairs, the same standard would apply to my neighbor if he/she damaged my car. If they refused to take responsibility for the damages, then my love and understanding would come to a screeching halt.
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Post by rejoicing on Aug 9, 2021 21:27:38 GMT -5
Interesting comment. Christians make the mistake of emphasising belief more than a transformed life. You could believe all of these things: 1. Christ is the Son of God.
2. He came for the remission of sin.
3. He is the only way to salvation.
4. His sacrifice and resurrection.
5. He's coming back in judgement. You could be at every church service with bells on, and be the biggest financial supporter of the church. Yet you could be a child molester, promiscuous, have no empathy for your fellow man, rip everybody off in your business dealings and give your wife a beating every time she burns the toast. John 3:16. Somebody can be a child molesting, cannibalistic, serial killer. But as long as they repent and believe in Jesus before their execution, they will be spending eternity in the heavenly paradise. Meanwhile, many of their victims, who died in their sin or as unChristian trash will be tortured forever as Jesus and the angels look on in amusement. Many of these things are hard for modern people to accept, since you don't accept Biblical things like slavery, child beating, genocidal killings, eternal torture, killing homosexuals, slaying witches, etc. But Jesus said it well: "If you are ashamed of me and my message, the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in his glory and in the glory of his Father and the holy angels." Didnt Paul speak about delivering a believer who does sinful deeds to the devil to destroy the deeds but save the soul? He also said our deeds will be tried by fire and uf they do not outlast the fire or withstand the fire, then our deeds are gone but our souls are saved. I often think about the thief on the cross who Jesus told that hed be with Jesus in Paradise that day. That man knew salvation but all his deeds were extinguished by the right sentence he admitted he should get So how many people will be in heaven with eternal life but no rewards or crowns for their deeds?
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Post by rejoicing on Aug 9, 2021 21:31:09 GMT -5
A valid point. We can make note of the prayer Jesus gave his apostles and that it says, "Lead me not into temptation." People will run backward to think God would lead someone into temptation. Some becoming righteously irate at the idea. But it was said Jesus said it, so it has to be a valid point as well. I think Jesus words have been inadequately translated and misunderstood. I think of it more like "lead me, keep me close to you, that I fall not into temptation." Perhaps. However, God will test most of those who proclaim their intent of salvation. God told them in the OT that he would test their love for him, for he would that they loved him with all their soul all their mind and all their heart.
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Post by chuck on Aug 9, 2021 21:32:27 GMT -5
Abraham is character not a person so that may be a bit difficult. I think the question was what do you picture wally?, not "what should I do wally?".... I understand he probably heard the still small voice give him marching orders and he complied 100%. it was a lesson in what was to come in the future with Christ. "the still small voice" Dragging out 2x2ism lingo doesn't answer the question wally.
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Post by Dan on Aug 9, 2021 21:38:18 GMT -5
Just curious, does anyone think going from Child Sacrifice to no Child Sacrifice is a good idea?. Absolutely, I mean the children are our future tradesman, sacrifice a child today, very difficult to get an electrician or plumber at short notice tomorrow.
True, in the USA the total abortions since 1973 is over 62,502,904... Probably why nearly every restaurant can't find enough help, nearly 63 million children were sacrificed.
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Post by Dan on Aug 9, 2021 21:55:30 GMT -5
I understand he probably heard the still small voice give him marching orders and he complied 100%. it was a lesson in what was to come in the future with Christ. "the still small voice" Dragging out 2x2ism lingo doesn't answer the question wally.
No interpretation needed; "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." (Genesis 22: 1-2)
I believe it was a direct verbally relayed command, not voices in Abraham's head, a dream, or a fabricated story to illustrate a lesson. God directly told him to do it, and the Angel of the Lord audibly told him to stop. (Genesis 22:11). If it were nothing more than a fictional oral story passed down, then one could scrap the entire bible as a book of fairy tales.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 9, 2021 21:58:39 GMT -5
Absolutely, I mean the children are our future tradesman, sacrifice a child today, very difficult to get an electrician or plumber at short notice tomorrow. True, in the USA the total abortions since 1973 is over 62,502,904... Probably why nearly every restaurant can't find enough help, nearly 63 million children were sacrificed.
Kind of like a day without a Mexican, huh?
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Post by chuck on Aug 9, 2021 22:05:30 GMT -5
"the still small voice" Dragging out 2x2ism lingo doesn't answer the question wally.
No interpretation needed; "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." (Genesis 22: 1-2)
I believe it was a direct verbally relayed command, not voices in Abraham's head, a dream, or a fabricated story to illustrate a lesson. God directly told him to do it, and the Angel of the Lord audibly told him to stop. (Genesis 22:11). If it were nothing more than a fictional oral story passed down, then one could scrap the entire bible as a book of fairy tales.
Well at least you give your opinion instead of ducking and diving.....Thankyou. Why is it so confronting that these people could have used good/bad old stories to convey a message?.
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Post by verna on Aug 9, 2021 22:08:52 GMT -5
John 3:16. Somebody can be a child molesting, cannibalistic, serial killer. But as long as they repent and believe in Jesus before their execution, they will be spending eternity in the heavenly paradise. Meanwhile, many of their victims, who died in their sin or as unChristian trash will be tortured forever as Jesus and the angels look on in amusement. Many of these things are hard for modern people to accept, since you don't accept Biblical things like slavery, child beating, genocidal killings, eternal torture, killing homosexuals, slaying witches, etc. But Jesus said it well: "If you are ashamed of me and my message, the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in his glory and in the glory of his Father and the holy angels." Didnt Paul speak about delivering a believer who does sinful deeds to the devil to destroy the deeds but save the soul? He also said our deeds will be tried by fire and uf they do not outlast the fire or withstand the fire, then our deeds are gone but our souls are saved. I often think about the thief on the cross who Jesus told that hed be with Jesus in Paradise that day. That man knew salvation but all his deeds were extinguished by the right sentence he admitted he should get So how many people will be in heaven with eternal life but no rewards or crowns for their deeds? Rejoicing i don’t understand. What’s this about some people getting eternal life but not getting rewards/crowns? I don’t even know how to ask the question. How to you conceive of rewards/crowns?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 22:14:34 GMT -5
I understand he probably heard the still small voice give him marching orders and he complied 100%. it was a lesson in what was to come in the future with Christ. "the still small voice" Dragging out 2x2ism lingo doesn't answer the question wally. That is from scripture over 2000 years ago nothing to do with 2x2ism....
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Post by verna on Aug 9, 2021 22:19:30 GMT -5
No interpretation needed; "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." (Genesis 22: 1-2)
I believe it was a direct verbally relayed command, not voices in Abraham's head, a dream, or a fabricated story to illustrate a lesson. God directly told him to do it, and the Angel of the Lord audibly told him to stop. (Genesis 22:11). If it were nothing more than a fictional oral story passed down, then one could scrap the entire bible as a book of fairy tales.
Well at least you give your opinion instead of ducking and diving.....Thankyou. Why is it so confronting that these people could have used good/bad old stories to convey a message?. I agree Chuck. A story can be useful without being literally true. Parables, metaphors, analogies are very powerful.
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 9, 2021 22:31:33 GMT -5
"You will have to drink the wine that God gives to everyone who makes him angry. You will feel his mighty anger, and you will be tortured with fire and burning sulfur, while the holy angels and the Lamb look on." - Revelation 14:10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+14%3A10&version=CEV Do what Chuck recommends and read this with the viewpoint of the people at the time, not modern Westerners. Being tortured with fire and burning sulfur would mean that the God will cut you and pour burning sulfur in your wounds. The Lamb (Jesus) and holy angels look on just as the powerful, cruel and brutal rulers of the time would have watched in amusement at their subjects being tortured. This shows you the character of the God you serve. A wicked torture monster. Hes not a torture monster. Do you not get angry when someone you have a right to expect better of, just is foolish and dont do what you are sure they are capable of? Do you not use your position of authority in such situations to put your displeasure upon those whom have failed to do either that which you expect or dont do that which they've said they'll do? I've know some who are in authority to level out what some think are really torture or unfair exactment on those beneath their authority. So if mankind can do such, why is it so awful when God does exactly what humans do to other humans? Human authority is temporary, so wed not expect them to exact eternal punishment, but God is from everlasting to everlasting, so yes, his punishments on human failures and sins could well be eternal. However were r, God has a covenant with Jesus Christ our redeemer. In the OT, the Mosaic-God covenant was "If they will." The NT covenant between God and Jesus Christ is "I will.." so I'd expect to find a whole lot more Mercy under the Jesus Christ covenant. I know it's hard to face, but he is an evil torture monster. I am nothing like that. And out of tens of thousands of other human beings, I have never interacted with one so evil. There certainly are wicked and cruel people who hurt others in indescribable ways. I think of a parent who punishes a child by holding their hand on a hot stove burner. That is nothing compared to the beloved God who tortures them eternally with molten sulfur.
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 9, 2021 22:36:27 GMT -5
John 3:16. Somebody can be a child molesting, cannibalistic, serial killer. But as long as they repent and believe in Jesus before their execution, they will be spending eternity in the heavenly paradise. Meanwhile, many of their victims, who died in their sin or as unChristian trash will be tortured forever as Jesus and the angels look on in amusement. Many of these things are hard for modern people to accept, since you don't accept Biblical things like slavery, child beating, genocidal killings, eternal torture, killing homosexuals, slaying witches, etc. But Jesus said it well: "If you are ashamed of me and my message, the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in his glory and in the glory of his Father and the holy angels." Didnt Paul speak about delivering a believer who does sinful deeds to the devil to destroy the deeds but save the soul? He also said our deeds will be tried by fire and uf they do not outlast the fire or withstand the fire, then our deeds are gone but our souls are saved. I often think about the thief on the cross who Jesus told that hed be with Jesus in Paradise that day. That man knew salvation but all his deeds were extinguished by the right sentence he admitted he should get So how many people will be in heaven with eternal life but no rewards or crowns for their deeds? LOL, this is the most classic religious thing I've ever heard of! I hope you and Nathan can get along in the ultra-exclusive "10 crowns required" VIP section. I guess it will help to have some losers without crowns to bully and feel superior to.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 9, 2021 22:43:24 GMT -5
"the still small voice" Dragging out 2x2ism lingo doesn't answer the question wally. No interpretation needed; "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." (Genesis 22: 1-2) I believe it was a direct verbally relayed command, not voices in Abraham's head, a dream, or a fabricated story to illustrate a lesson. God directly told him to do it, and the Angel of the Lord audibly told him to stop. (Genesis 22:11). If it were nothing more than a fictional oral story passed down, then one could scrap the entire bible as a book of fairy tales.
Oh, no. Not all of the bible is "fairy tales."
Actually the bible can teach us many things, -one being how people create stories to satisfy their desire to know things they don't understand and then they believe their own creation is absolutely TRUE and comes from GOD!
Also a lesson in how people have always tended rationalized even their most horrific actions against their fellowmen and told themselves it was "god's will."
The bible also has some good poetry. It is not just one type of literature after all.
It is full of interesting allegories.
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Post by chuck on Aug 9, 2021 23:16:11 GMT -5
Well at least you give your opinion instead of ducking and diving.....Thankyou. Why is it so confronting that these people could have used good/bad old stories to convey a message?. I agree Chuck. A story can be useful without being literally true. Parables, metaphors, analogies are very powerful. Yep, and we still use them all the time.
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Post by Dan on Aug 9, 2021 23:33:57 GMT -5
No interpretation needed; "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of." (Genesis 22: 1-2)
I believe it was a direct verbally relayed command, not voices in Abraham's head, a dream, or a fabricated story to illustrate a lesson. God directly told him to do it, and the Angel of the Lord audibly told him to stop. (Genesis 22:11). If it were nothing more than a fictional oral story passed down, then one could scrap the entire bible as a book of fairy tales.
Well at least you give your opinion instead of ducking and diving.....Thankyou. Why is it so confronting that these people could have used good/bad old stories to convey a message?.
Because stories are fabricated, prone to hyperbole, embellishment, and fictional characters. If Abraham's experience was not historically accurate and factual, then what of David, Job, Moses, and even Jesus?
I can have faith in nonfiction, but there's no genuine truth in fictional stories used to convey a message. Jesus used parables, but he was not one himself.. If Abraham sacrificing Issac was just someone's idea to illustrate and convey a message, then it was not divinely inspired, and the entire bible gets reduced to a philosophical promotion of a belief system not rooted in actual truth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 23:40:39 GMT -5
Well at least you give your opinion instead of ducking and diving.....Thankyou. Why is it so confronting that these people could have used good/bad old stories to convey a message?.
Because stories are fabricated, prone to hyperbole, embellishment, and fictional characters. If Abraham's experience was not historically accurate and factual, then what of David, Job, Moses, and even Jesus?
I can have faith in nonfiction, but there's no genuine truth in fictional stories used to convey a message. Jesus used parables, but he was not one himself.. If Abraham sacrificing Issac was just someone's idea to illustrate and convey a message, then it was not divinely inspired, and the entire bible gets reduced to a philosophical promotion of a belief system not rooted in truth.
Now you know ole chucks goal when it comes to the bible....
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Post by Annan on Aug 10, 2021 8:40:32 GMT -5
The second greatest commandment is self-explanatory, nothing to interpret... Treat others the same way you would like them to treat you, that's showing them respect and brotherly love. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12). The golden rule. Your actions towards a neighbor should reflect the same compassion and understanding you have for yourself. It doesn't always require being nice. If I damaged my neighbors car, I'd pay for the repairs, the same standard would apply to my neighbor if he/she damaged my car. If they refused to take responsibility for the damages, then my love and understanding would come to a screeching halt. I have to agree with the car scenario. If my neighbor didn't take responsibility and pay for the damage, I'd be suing them. I would expect the same from them if I refused to pay. It has nothing to do with the so-called golden rule, which is nothing more than directional morality. I treat you nice so you will be nice to me. How is that in any way respect and brotherly love? It's manipulation. No morality here.
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Post by verna on Aug 10, 2021 10:44:40 GMT -5
Well at least you give your opinion instead of ducking and diving.....Thankyou. Why is it so confronting that these people could have used good/bad old stories to convey a message?.
Because stories are fabricated, prone to hyperbole, embellishment, and fictional characters. If Abraham's experience was not historically accurate and factual, then what of David, Job, Moses, and even Jesus?
I can have faith in nonfiction, but there's no genuine truth in fictional stories used to convey a message. Jesus used parables, but he was not one himself.. If Abraham sacrificing Issac was just someone's idea to illustrate and convey a message, then it was not divinely inspired, and the entire bible gets reduced to a philosophical promotion of a belief system not rooted in actual truth.
I think that is quite accurate. Makes much more sense. If anyone was “divinely inspired” to tie his son to an altar to sacrifice him these days he would be locked up. Today the overwhelming majority would not believe that the inspiration actually came from God. Why do we believe it happened in the past? I think it’s easy to understand the purpose for the origination of the story - to inspire blind faith. And how successful it has been!
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Post by fixit on Aug 10, 2021 14:50:47 GMT -5
John 3:16. Somebody can be a child molesting, cannibalistic, serial killer. But as long as they repent and believe in Jesus before their execution, they will be spending eternity in the heavenly paradise. Meanwhile, many of their victims, who died in their sin or as unChristian trash will be tortured forever as Jesus and the angels look on in amusement. Many of these things are hard for modern people to accept, since you don't accept Biblical things like slavery, child beating, genocidal killings, eternal torture, killing homosexuals, slaying witches, etc. But Jesus said it well: "If you are ashamed of me and my message, the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in his glory and in the glory of his Father and the holy angels." Didnt Paul speak about delivering a believer who does sinful deeds to the devil to destroy the deeds but save the soul? He also said our deeds will be tried by fire and uf they do not outlast the fire or withstand the fire, then our deeds are gone but our souls are saved. I often think about the thief on the cross who Jesus told that hed be with Jesus in Paradise that day. That man knew salvation but all his deeds were extinguished by the right sentence he admitted he should get So how many people will be in heaven with eternal life but no rewards or crowns for their deeds? How does the rewards doctrine fit with the parable below? I wonder if this doctrine is an attempt to plug a whole in the OSAS doctrine? Matthew 20:1 “For the Kingdom of Heaven is like the landowner who went out early one morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay the normal daily wage and sent them out to work. 3 “At nine o’clock in the morning he was passing through the marketplace and saw some people standing around doing nothing. 4 So he hired them, telling them he would pay them whatever was right at the end of the day. 5 So they went to work in the vineyard. At noon and again at three o’clock he did the same thing. 6 “At five o’clock that afternoon he was in town again and saw some more people standing around. He asked them, ‘Why haven’t you been working today?’ 7 “They replied, ‘Because no one hired us.’ “The landowner told them, ‘Then go out and join the others in my vineyard.’ 8 “That evening he told the foreman to call the workers in and pay them, beginning with the last workers first. 9 When those hired at five o’clock were paid, each received a full day’s wage. 10 When those hired first came to get their pay, they assumed they would receive more. But they, too, were paid a day’s wage. 11 When they received their pay, they protested to the owner, 12 ‘Those people worked only one hour, and yet you’ve paid them just as much as you paid us who worked all day in the scorching heat.’ 13 “He answered one of them, ‘Friend, I haven’t been unfair! Didn’t you agree to work all day for the usual wage? 14 Take your money and go. I wanted to pay this last worker the same as you. 15 Is it against the law for me to do what I want with my money? Should you be jealous because I am kind to others?’ 16 “So those who are last now will be first then, and those who are first will be last.”
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Post by mrdobalina on Aug 10, 2021 16:12:58 GMT -5
John 3:16. Somebody can be a child molesting, cannibalistic, serial killer. But as long as they repent and believe in Jesus before their execution, they will be spending eternity in the heavenly paradise. Meanwhile, many of their victims, who died in their sin or as unChristian trash will be tortured forever as Jesus and the angels look on in amusement. Many of these things are hard for modern people to accept, since you don't accept Biblical things like slavery, child beating, genocidal killings, eternal torture, killing homosexuals, slaying witches, etc. But Jesus said it well: "If you are ashamed of me and my message, the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in his glory and in the glory of his Father and the holy angels." Didnt Paul speak about delivering a believer who does sinful deeds to the devil to destroy the deeds but save the soul? He also said our deeds will be tried by fire and uf they do not outlast the fire or withstand the fire, then our deeds are gone but our souls are saved. I often think about the thief on the cross who Jesus told that hed be with Jesus in Paradise that day. That man knew salvation but all his deeds were extinguished by the right sentence he admitted he should get So how many people will be in heaven with eternal life but no rewards or crowns for their deeds? Heaven is quite materialistic and certainly has a socioeconomic pecking order that I find quite distasteful. There will be people living in grass huts, right through to people living in many mansions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 16:19:28 GMT -5
Didnt Paul speak about delivering a believer who does sinful deeds to the devil to destroy the deeds but save the soul? He also said our deeds will be tried by fire and uf they do not outlast the fire or withstand the fire, then our deeds are gone but our souls are saved. I often think about the thief on the cross who Jesus told that hed be with Jesus in Paradise that day. That man knew salvation but all his deeds were extinguished by the right sentence he admitted he should get So how many people will be in heaven with eternal life but no rewards or crowns for their deeds? Heaven is quite materialistic and certainly has a socioeconomic pecking order that I find quite distasteful. There will be people living in grass huts, right through to people living in many mansions. The bible mentions only mansions...where did your grass hut get mentioned?
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Post by mrdobalina on Aug 10, 2021 16:24:52 GMT -5
Heaven is quite materialistic and certainly has a socioeconomic pecking order that I find quite distasteful. There will be people living in grass huts, right through to people living in many mansions. The bible mentions only mansions...where did your grass hut get mentioned? I heard it at convention. Regardless of semantics, my observation is correct.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 16:28:00 GMT -5
The bible mentions only mansions...where did your grass hut get mentioned? I heard it at convention. Regardless of semantics, my observation is correct. Well I'd suggest sticking with the bible and what it says but then again you don't believe in the bible or anything in it....its a quandary
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Post by mrdobalina on Aug 10, 2021 16:34:52 GMT -5
I heard it at convention. Regardless of semantics, my observation is correct. Well I'd suggest sticking with the bible and what it says but then again you don't believe in the bible or anything in it....its a quandary OK, so no pecking order at all, is that what you are saying? Like Russia was for years, everyone the same, except the special ones of course? There would have to be a workers table at least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 17:34:49 GMT -5
Well I'd suggest sticking with the bible and what it says but then again you don't believe in the bible or anything in it....its a quandary OK, so no pecking order at all, is that what you are saying? Like Russia was for years, everyone the same, except the special ones of course? There would have to be a workers table at least. The former things will pass away in the new heaven, new earth and new jerusalem that would include pecking orders...
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