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Post by nathan on Jul 16, 2021 0:58:46 GMT -5
You need to get your Bible and read it... Paul/worker wrote this in I Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. God and Christ have given Paul the worker and the 2x2 workers.... the gospel of reconciliation between God and man. Aiding how to sow fig leaves was described as a serpent in the garden.................2x2ism is sowing fig leaves....... you or the workers pushing 2x2ism are not Ambassadors for Christ, that's a lie. You can be ambassadors for Christ by showing the compassionate gracious ect character but thats it, nothing to do with 2x2ism period.......that's pure fig leaves. For someone to think they're so special that they or their little group has the only ministry of reconciliation is described by Jesus as false teachers ect..... Then why are you still in the false 2x2 group, Chuck?
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Post by chuck on Jul 16, 2021 1:17:06 GMT -5
Aiding how to sow fig leaves was described as a serpent in the garden.................2x2ism is sowing fig leaves....... you or the workers pushing 2x2ism are not Ambassadors for Christ, that's a lie. You can be ambassadors for Christ by showing the compassionate gracious ect character but thats it, nothing to do with 2x2ism period.......that's pure fig leaves. For someone to think they're so special that they or their little group has the only ministry of reconciliation is described by Jesus as false teachers ect..... Then why are you still in the false 2x2 group, Chuck?Get your head around 2x2's are not false, 2x2ism is. I think 2x2ism is evil but I do not think you are evil. Understand how......... Start with tribalism, it's all through the scriptures....
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Post by nathan on Jul 16, 2021 2:55:09 GMT -5
Then why are you still in the false 2x2 group, Chuck? Get your head around 2x2's are not false, 2x2ism is. I think 2x2ism is evil but I do not think you are evil. Understand how......... Start with tribalism, it's all through the scriptures.... You need to get professional help, mate. You are talking in the back of your behind, these days. You are eating too many fig leaves.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 16, 2021 3:03:01 GMT -5
Get your head around 2x2's are not false, 2x2ism is. I think 2x2ism is evil but I do not think you are evil. Understand how......... Start with tribalism, it's all through the scriptures.... You need to get professional help, mate. You are talking in the back of your behind, these days. You are eating too many fig leaves.Hmm...coming from someone who believes JC lives in Venus, I think we can all see who needs the help nathan !
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Post by nathan on Jul 16, 2021 3:07:40 GMT -5
You need to get professional help, mate. You are talking in the back of your behind, these days. You are eating too many fig leaves. Hmm...coming from someone who believes JC lives in Venus, I think we can all see who needs the help nathan ! I predicted and believed Chuck will join your atheists TMB club soon or he is already there. People can see the hands writing on the wall. He is the king and you are the queen of broken records, wow... What a team, a dream team.
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Post by chuck on Jul 16, 2021 3:58:39 GMT -5
Hmm...coming from someone who believes JC lives in Venus, I think we can all see who needs the help nathan ! I predicted and believed Chuck will join your atheists TMB club soon or he is already there. People can see the hands writing on the wall. He is the king and you are the queen of broken records, wow... What a team, a dream team.I mean its just so distressing being likened to someone who doesn't send people to a eternal fiery torturous place for not seeing it like them........ Like your all loving gospel of fiery torture is just so compelling...... the 2x2ism good news, become like Nathan and you wont burn......................
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Post by chuck on Jul 16, 2021 4:07:48 GMT -5
Get your head around 2x2's are not false, 2x2ism is. I think 2x2ism is evil but I do not think you are evil. Understand how......... Start with tribalism, it's all through the scriptures.... You need to get professional help, mate. You are talking in the back of your behind, these days. You are eating too many fig leaves.Nathan, you thinking a person who does not think anyone who disagrees with themselves does not deserve to be burnt in hell by your god(2x2ism) needs "professional help" has all the signs of mental illness. In short....You think I need professional help because I wont burn people.......
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Post by nathan on Jul 16, 2021 9:03:07 GMT -5
I predicted and believed Chuck will join your atheists TMB club soon or he is already there. People can see the hands writing on the wall. He is the king and you are the queen of broken records, wow... What a team, a dream team. I mean its just so distressing being likened to someone who doesn't send people to a eternal fiery torturous place for not seeing it like them........ Like your all loving gospel of fiery torture is just so compelling...... the 2x2ism good news, become like Nathan and you wont burn...................... Jesus Christ and the apostles give their listeners the FULL gospel heaven to gain and Hades to shun. It seems you like to preach half gospel, you won't burn, all go to heaven to those who preach and believe in Jesus. That is NOT what Jesus teaches, Chuck.
Read Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:21-28. I want to follow my God and master Jesus to teach the FULL gospel to people.
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Post by mountain on Jul 16, 2021 9:14:22 GMT -5
** Yep! You don't want to disobey him, either! He will give you a good licking that will last for eternity in the hot place. This is just ridiculous Nathan......this is pure guilt ridden mind control... please stop it....you don't know what your doing! Absolutely nowhere does scripture describe a literal hot place that people will burn for ever......that is unless you read symbolic things as literal things.........you have displayed as I once did also that the understanding of the Hebrew people is of no concern to your religion....this is pure ignorance or just plain evil to do it with the knowledge, I think you are the ignorant type myself along with millions and millions of other Christians. Its not hard to just pick up a strongs concordance and look at meanings of words cross referenced through scripture to see that what your saying is not true at all. But what makes it even better to understand is to do it with some History knowledge as well, no excuse with the internet these days as its mostly at our finger tips, the only hurdle is filtering out the religion when googling. Your hot place of Hell(Gehenna) has roots in Child Sacrifice and Molech, go and learn about it so you can stop spreading religious nonsense that puts people in bondage. Its evil...... And also go and learn what Father means because its nothing like you are describing....... Chuck, are you really suggesting that there is no really naughty place for really naughty people, just as there is a really good place for really good people?
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Post by chuck on Jul 16, 2021 10:59:45 GMT -5
This is just ridiculous Nathan......this is pure guilt ridden mind control... please stop it....you don't know what your doing! Absolutely nowhere does scripture describe a literal hot place that people will burn for ever......that is unless you read symbolic things as literal things.........you have displayed as I once did also that the understanding of the Hebrew people is of no concern to your religion....this is pure ignorance or just plain evil to do it with the knowledge, I think you are the ignorant type myself along with millions and millions of other Christians. Its not hard to just pick up a strongs concordance and look at meanings of words cross referenced through scripture to see that what your saying is not true at all. But what makes it even better to understand is to do it with some History knowledge as well, no excuse with the internet these days as its mostly at our finger tips, the only hurdle is filtering out the religion when googling. Your hot place of Hell(Gehenna) has roots in Child Sacrifice and Molech, go and learn about it so you can stop spreading religious nonsense that puts people in bondage. Its evil...... And also go and learn what Father means because its nothing like you are describing....... Chuck, are you really suggesting that there is no really naughty place for really naughty people, just as there is a really good place for really good people? I'm saying it's pure ignorance to boldly suggest there is. If you would put your views taught by religion aside and study Hell, Gehenna, Hades, Sheol and Tartarus from the Hebraic perspective with help of what we actually know today you would have to deliberately remain ignorant to be dogmatic about the actual religious places oc heaven and hell. I really do not know, just like anyone else......those who say they know are ignorant or liars...... But we do know the Hebrews loved symbolism and figurative speech, so to overide that with literalness consistently is quite frankly dumb on our part...... Ask Seek and Knock away, Gehenna is a place you can visit today, so is the gates of hell.......I suppose thats were Nathan and Wally will hand me over.....Will you be with them?.
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Post by chuck on Jul 16, 2021 11:11:16 GMT -5
I mean its just so distressing being likened to someone who doesn't send people to a eternal fiery torturous place for not seeing it like them........ Like your all loving gospel of fiery torture is just so compelling...... the 2x2ism good news, become like Nathan and you wont burn...................... Jesus Christ and the apostles give their listeners the FULL gospel heaven to gain and Hades to shun. It seems you like to preach half gospel, you won't burn, all go to heaven to those who preach and believe in Jesus. That is NOT what Jesus teaches, Chuck.
Read Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:21-28. I want to follow my God and master Jesus to teach the FULL gospel to people.
You forgot 1 verse.... because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law. - Matthew 7:29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew7:29&version=NIVIm sorry but you do not even preach let alone teach the Gospel. You Teach "see it like me or burn in hell"... Jesus is absent in your preaching as you preach grace compassion ect only if we convert to be like you, that is Ceaser's way or the Pharisees way.....the very thing Jesus was railing against.........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 11:11:57 GMT -5
I mean its just so distressing being likened to someone who doesn't send people to a eternal fiery torturous place for not seeing it like them........ Like your all loving gospel of fiery torture is just so compelling...... the 2x2ism good news, become like Nathan and you wont burn...................... Jesus Christ and the apostles give their listeners the FULL gospel heaven to gain and Hades to shun. It seems you like to preach half gospel, you won't burn, all go to heaven to those who preach and believe in Jesus. That is NOT what Jesus teaches, Chuck.
Read Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:21-28. I want to follow my God and master Jesus to teach the FULL gospel to people.
from the downunders perspective its all sugar and spice and everything nice....
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Post by chuck on Jul 16, 2021 11:39:43 GMT -5
Jesus Christ and the apostles give their listeners the FULL gospel heaven to gain and Hades to shun. It seems you like to preach half gospel, you won't burn, all go to heaven to those who preach and believe in Jesus. That is NOT what Jesus teaches, Chuck.
Read Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:21-28. I want to follow my God and master Jesus to teach the FULL gospel to people.
from the downunders perspective its all sugar and spice and everything nice.... Wally, your god(compassion grace ect) is as nice as you want him to be, and that is literally burning me in hell forever for not seeing it like you..... Ugly....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 16, 2021 13:08:55 GMT -5
Jesus Christ and the apostles give their listeners the FULL gospel heaven to gain and Hades to shun. It seems you like to preach half gospel, you won't burn, all go to heaven to those who preach and believe in Jesus. That is NOT what Jesus teaches, Chuck.
Read Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:21-28. I want to follow my God and master Jesus to teach the FULL gospel to people.
from the downunders perspective its all sugar and spice and everything nice.... What is it about the "downunders perspective" that you hate so much wally?
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 16, 2021 14:22:05 GMT -5
Jesus Christ and the apostles give their listeners the FULL gospel heaven to gain and Hades to shun. It seems you like to preach half gospel, you won't burn, all go to heaven to those who preach and believe in Jesus. That is NOT what Jesus teaches, Chuck.
Read Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:21-28. I want to follow my God and master Jesus to teach the FULL gospel to people.
You forgot 1 verse.... because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law. - Matthew 7:29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew7:29&version=NIVIm sorry but you do not even preach let alone teach the Gospel. You Teach "see it like me or burn in hell"... Jesus is absent if your preaching as you preach grace compassion ect only if we convert to be like you, that is Ceaser's way or the Pharisees way.....the very thing Jesus was railing against......... *** You are babbling the only the half gospel, Chuck. Jesus and the apostles preach and teach the FULL gospel to their listeners. You are NOT telling the WHOLE truth, Chuck.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 16, 2021 15:46:26 GMT -5
I mean its just so distressing being likened to someone who doesn't send people to a eternal fiery torturous place for not seeing it like them........ Like your all loving gospel of fiery torture is just so compelling...... the 2x2ism good news, become like Nathan and you wont burn...................... Jesus Christ and the apostles give their listeners the FULL gospel heaven to gain and Hades to shun. It seems you like to preach half gospel, you won't burn, all go to heaven to those who preach and believe in Jesus. That is NOT what Jesus teaches, Chuck.
Read Jesus teachings in Matthew 7:21-28. I want to follow my God and master Jesus to teach the FULL gospel to people.
Okay, Nathan, here is your referrence:Matthew 7:21-2821 "Not everyone who says to me, 'LORD, LORD,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ' LORD, LORD, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash." 28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching Now Nathan, -What were the words Jesus was saying that people were to listen to and also said they were to put into practice?
The Two Commandments
Matthew 22:34-40
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together.
35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Matt. 22:34-40
Now to be right truthful, Nathan; I see a lot of constant condemation of your "neighbors" by you on this board but nearly none of any love.
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Post by Grant on Jul 16, 2021 16:46:57 GMT -5
from the downunders perspective its all sugar and spice and everything nice.... What is it about the "downunders perspective" that you hate so much wally?He can't manipulate and control them. They preach and practice the workers gospel not their own version. Down unders show more of the fruit of the spirit rather than flesh like Wally and Nathan.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 16, 2021 17:00:26 GMT -5
What is it about the "downunders perspective" that you hate so much wally? He can't manipulate and control them. They preach and practice the workers gospel not their own version. Down unders show more of the fruit of the spirit rather than flesh like Wally and Nathan. ** If the friends down under want to preach and teach watered down or half truth sugar coated false gospel that is their choice. I want to present the FULL gospel like my Lord God and Savior Jesus and the apostles. Heaven to gain and hell to shun.
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Post by Grant on Jul 16, 2021 17:40:01 GMT -5
He can't manipulate and control them. They preach and practice the workers gospel not their own version. Down unders show more of the fruit of the spirit rather than flesh like Wally and Nathan. ** If the friends down under want to preach and teach watered down or half truth sugar coated false gospel that is their choice. I want to present the FULL gospel like my Lord God and Savior Jesus and the apostles. Heaven to gain and hell to shun. It's you who 'preach' a watered down, half truth fairy tail false Gospel. You add your own spin on things from movies. Yes, heaven to gain and hell to shun. Wonder why you have no reverence or respect for God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 16, 2021 17:51:27 GMT -5
from the downunders perspective its all sugar and spice and everything nice.... What is it about the "downunders perspective" that you hate so much wally?Raging jealousy.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 16, 2021 18:15:53 GMT -5
** If the friends down under want to preach and teach watered down or half truth sugar coated false gospel that is their choice. I want to present the FULL gospel like my Lord God and Savior Jesus and the apostles. Heaven to gain and hell to shun. It's you who 'preach' a watered down, half truth fairy tail false Gospel. You add your own spin on things from movies. Yes, heaven to gain and hell to shun. Wonder why you have no reverence or respect for Gjod. ** Time will tell whether the exes or the 2x2 preaching the watered down gospel. You don't KNOW TRUTH from science facts! Still living in the cave and with Dark Ages belief, Wake up! We are living in the 21st century. God and Christ want you to hear and listen the 21st century gospel message! Christ is coming soon. Christ is the omnipotence and the Creator of Adam, Eve and the humans race. God the Father and Christ are the Creators of the Universe!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 18:55:54 GMT -5
from the downunders perspective its all sugar and spice and everything nice.... Wally, your god(compassion grace ect) is as nice as you want him to be, and that is literally burning me in hell forever for not seeing it like you..... Ugly.... I've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn" its really time for some professional help with that guilt trip you have it's not doing you any good as it makes your posts irrational....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 18:58:37 GMT -5
from the downunders perspective its all sugar and spice and everything nice.... What is it about the "downunders perspective" that you hate so much wally?dislike would be a better word...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 19:08:37 GMT -5
What is it about the "downunders perspective" that you hate so much wally? He can't manipulate and control them. They preach and practice the workers gospel not their own version. Down unders show more of the fruit of the spirit rather than flesh like Wally and Nathan. hardly... they agree with and defend atheists and witches... they hold science over scripture... they attack the brethren when a supposed wrong is done but are silent when an ex does it(who should know better)... they hardly ever answer scriptural questions and have yet to preach anything remotely like the gospel that i can remember... hypocritical beyond measure... etc...etc...
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Post by joanna on Jul 16, 2021 19:23:29 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee. chuck The first video link you provided in your initial post suggested this fundamental criteria can be used to identify a cult (I haven't read all the posts so I apologise if this has already been mentioned) 1) Do they control clothing or sexuality? 2) Do they set up a system of rewards and punishments? 3) Do they divide information into insider versus outsider doctrine? 4) Do they discourage people from asking questions? 5) Do they encourage an us versus them attitude? 6) Do they have black and white thinking? 7) Do they change a person's name and identity? 8) Do they reject rational analysis, critical thinking and doubt? 9) Do they promote feelings of guilt or unworthiness? 10) Do they instil fear or phobias? 11) Do they give their members extremes of emotional highs and lows? chuck Do you believe that Jesus was a cult leader?
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Post by mountain on Jul 17, 2021 2:13:48 GMT -5
Chuck, are you really suggesting that there is no really naughty place for really naughty people, just as there is a really good place for really good people? I'm saying it's pure ignorance to boldly suggest there is. If you would put your views taught by religion aside and study Hell, Gehenna, Hades, Sheol and Tartarus from the Hebraic perspective with help of what we actually know today you would have to deliberately remain ignorant to be dogmatic about the actual religious places oc heaven and hell. How can it possibly be pure ignorance to suggest there is? Whatever the wrath of God is, it is something very terrible. The Pharisees, on hearing about the coming kingdom of God from the disciples of John the Baptist, did not suffer involuntary bowel movements on account of hearing the spiritually dead had a non-existant eternity. Just sit back and think about it. That's exactly the situation with many people in the world today. They think there's nothing (good or bad after death). That kind of thinking makes them complacent rather than having bowel evacuation prompting fear. You put too much faith in this Hebraic perspective that you go on about. Yes such has some cultural understanding, but this glaringly seems to be something that you found much of your beliefs and understanding on. I say unto you, take heed of the words of Nathan, enuf and Wally. Have they not in their own way, strongly pointed out that the Holy Spirit is the real teacher, not man's interpretation? You and Wally are apparently 2x2s, attending similar meetings. Both of you will heartily sing 'Spirit of God my teacher be, showing the things of Christ to me!'
Yet you choose to ignore such tutorship and go for Hebraic understanding as your main source. It's no wonder Wally shakes his head at most things you recite!
I really do not know, just like anyone else......those who say they know are ignorant or liars...... Is that Hebraic understanding?
But we do know the Hebrews loved symbolism and figurative speech, so to overide that with literalness consistently is quite frankly dumb on our part...... Ask Seek and Knock away, Gehenna is a place you can visit today, so is the gates of hell.......I suppose thats were Nathan and Wally will hand me over.....Will you be with them?. I use common sense, sound reasoning and logic....not Wally, Nathan, etc, in weighing things up. I do not dismiss Hebraic understanding but I would refrain from making it my foremost source. Now let's sing 'Spirit of God my teacher be, showing the things of Christ to me!'
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Post by mountain on Jul 17, 2021 2:27:28 GMT -5
The true gospel as preached and taught by Jesus, John the Baptist and their disciples, etc, contained two key elements, in this order:
1) A dire warning about the coming wrath of God that all mankind faces, and
2) A means to escape that wrath.
All things follow on from there, even the two additional commandments of Jesus, to love God and to love one another, upon which all things are draped. They are part of item 2.
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Post by chuck on Jul 17, 2021 5:03:22 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee. chuck The first video link you provided in your initial post suggested this fundamental criteria can be used to identify a cult (I haven't read all the posts so I apologise if this has already been mentioned) 1) Do they control clothing or sexuality? 2) Do they set up a system of rewards and punishments? 3) Do they divide information into insider versus outsider doctrine? 4) Do they discourage people from asking questions? 5) Do they encourage an us versus them attitude? 6) Do they have black and white thinking? 7) Do they change a person's name and identity? 8) Do they reject rational analysis, critical thinking and doubt? 9) Do they promote feelings of guilt or unworthiness? 10) Do they instil fear or phobias? 11) Do they give their members extremes of emotional highs and lows? chuck Do you believe that Jesus was a cult leader? No need to apologise the thread has gone like any other, off the rails 😁, no big deal. Yes with agree with the points you have posted. I'll bite, no I don't think Jesus was a cult leader. Do you think he was?, I'm assuming you do?.
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