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Post by mountain on Jul 14, 2021 18:07:32 GMT -5
For someone who daily receives the threat of, or the implying of burning in hell. I have observed Chuck keeps a rather dignified position in the debate. From my limited observations Chuck hoists his own petard with his unstable contributions and assessments. An over-sensitive and paranoid reception awaits even the most innocent of presentations. What profit is there in harnessing a bobcat to a plough?
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Post by mountain on Jul 14, 2021 18:13:44 GMT -5
What utter nonsense. No wonder Nathan rightly accuses you of So if someone is not a "Christian" they're not going to hell?. What does the Bible say? As far as I am aware, neither Nathan, nor Wally have ever claimed to have written the Bible, either wholly or in part? Did not our Lord and Master himself clearly state that 'few' will be saved, even clarifying that many of those who think they are following him would be found wanting? Is it even possible to reasonably support any suggestion that you may make to the contrary? In this regard your argument is NOT with any member of this board. The root of the matter lies elsewhere.
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Post by chuck on Jul 14, 2021 18:33:48 GMT -5
So if someone is not a "Christian" they're not going to hell?. What does the Bible say? As far as I am aware, neither Nathan, nor Wally have ever claimed to have written the Bible, either wholly or in part? Did not our Lord and Master himself clearly state that 'few' will be saved, even clarifying that many of those who think they are following him would be found wanting? Is it even possible to reasonably support any suggestion that you may make to the contrary? In this regard your argument is NOT with any member of this board. The root of the matter lies elsewhere. Im asking you..... Will people go to hell for not being a "Christian"?. Few saved from what?, another question I asked you, what do you think Salvation is?. Side note, how many is a few? and what are the statistical chances of being in the few?. It is with members on this board as It has been clearly demonstrated that some think or are convinced where I and others are headed.......
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Post by mountain on Jul 14, 2021 19:10:42 GMT -5
What does the Bible say? As far as I am aware, neither Nathan, nor Wally have ever claimed to have written the Bible, either wholly or in part? Did not our Lord and Master himself clearly state that 'few' will be saved, even clarifying that many of those who think they are following him would be found wanting? Is it even possible to reasonably support any suggestion that you may make to the contrary? In this regard your argument is NOT with any member of this board. The root of the matter lies elsewhere. Im asking you..... Will people go to hell for not being a "Christian"?. Not being the judge, I am the wrong person to be asking. I am directing you to the Bible and to what Jesus has said. Did not John the Baptist severely chasten the Pharisees when preaching the coming kingdom of God...'Who hath warned you to flee from the wrath (of God) to come? Bring forth fruits of repentance. Repent and be baptised. If the caribou are much troubled by the mosquito in summer time, how much more are those who believe in the Bible troubled by your senseless questioning of that which is very clearly stated. I believe in what the Bible says. I did not determine the 'conditions!' Please do not 'blame' or take issue with those who oppose your rejection of truth! Always remember, the chinchilla eats that which is palatable to it. Take heed of the chinchilla and squirm not at that which it rejects!
Few saved from what?, another question I asked you, what do you think Salvation is?. Side note, how many is a few? and what are the statistical chances of being in the few?. Goodness me Chuck. How often must things be simply pointed out to you, but like some rabid batsman you strive vainly to field that which ultimately bowls you out. Saved from what you ask? Saved from the Wrath of God! Is that not enough for you? Salvation can be explained in many ways. In the context of your question 'saved from what,' saved from the wrath of God is an ample retort!
It is with members on this board as It has been clearly demonstrated that some think or are convinced where I and others are headed....... Their belief is clearly based on what is contained in scripture. Again your battle is not with those who choose to believe what is clearly stated by Jesus and the scripture writers, but with those from whom they derive their beliefs. Your position is very like the thief blaming his victim for his categorisation rather than the laws of the land which force his actions into the category. IF you are heading for a lost eternity, do not blame the members of this board. Doth not the warthog graze with its own kind?
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Post by chuck on Jul 14, 2021 23:11:12 GMT -5
Im asking you..... Will people go to hell for not being a "Christian"?. Not being the judge, I am the wrong person to be asking. I am directing you to the Bible and to what Jesus has said. Did not John the Baptist severely chasten the Pharisees when preaching the coming kingdom of God...'Who hath warned you to flee from the wrath (of God) to come? Bring forth fruits of repentance. Repent and be baptised. If the caribou are much troubled by the mosquito in summer time, how much more are those who believe in the Bible troubled by your senseless questioning of that which is very clearly stated. I believe in what the Bible says. I did not determine the 'conditions!' Please do not 'blame' or take issue with those who oppose your rejection of truth! Always remember, the chinchilla eats that which is palatable to it. Take heed of the chinchilla and squirm not at that which it rejects!
Few saved from what?, another question I asked you, what do you think Salvation is?. Side note, how many is a few? and what are the statistical chances of being in the few?. Goodness me Chuck. How often must things be simply pointed out to you, but like some rabid batsman you strive vainly to field that which ultimately bowls you out. Saved from what you ask? Saved from the Wrath of God! Is that not enough for you? Salvation can be explained in many ways. In the context of your question 'saved from what,' saved from the wrath of God is an ample retort!
It is with members on this board as It has been clearly demonstrated that some think or are convinced where I and others are headed....... Their belief is clearly based on what is contained in scripture. Again your battle is not with those who choose to believe what is clearly stated by Jesus and the scripture writers, but with those from whom they derive their beliefs. Your position is very like the thief blaming his victim for his categorisation rather than the laws of the land which force his actions into the category. IF you are heading for a lost eternity, do not blame the members of this board. Doth not the warthog graze with its own kind? "Please do not 'blame' or take issue with those who oppose your rejection of truth!".......I thought you said you were not the judge?? Why is it people do not like being held to their beliefs??, Do you think the bible says non Christians will burn in hell?, I mean your all so convinced you have the truth as confirmed by your quoted statement above that I have rejected it, but when I ask you to express it verbally in a confronting manner you all run and hide behind phrases like "I'm not the judge" "the bible says" ect, I agree with your phrases but your comments contradict your worn out phrases....., explain them which is why I ask what do you think salvation is, which you just trot out another catchy phrase.... So what is the wrath of God? and will non Christians feel it? How many is a few because today it means as low as 2?? "Their belief is clearly based on what is contained in scripture"........ I disagree, I have pointed out many times the direct contradictions of their literal interpretations of scripture which is generally more catchy phrases and loved up religious speak, more often than not they are 180 of what the authors are actually describing, every time they/you are confronted on it you again offer the same old religious lines (rejecting truth, holy spirit, the bible says) that are meant to be argument enders but are void of anything with substance.......... how about you explain yourselves without all the old as the hills catch phrases and religious dogma....... "IF you are heading for a lost eternity" well the IF is not a get out of jail free card, you again are implying the direction I'm headed, so If I don't see it like you am I going to hell??
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Post by chuck on Jul 14, 2021 23:21:26 GMT -5
How important to you is this 21st century gospel? What's wrong with the 20th century gospel you heard under a tree on Guam? Did God and Christ ask you to re-educate workers and friends? ** 1st century gospel is awesome, 20th gospel I received from Leo Stancliff under the gospel tree on Guam good was Jesus is the Lord God Christ in the Old Testament Ps. 110:1-2. Then I moved to the State of Washington the workers taught us Jesus is NOT God; the Trinity is the devils doctrine so is the Trinity. In 1970-1990 the overseers workers in Montana, Washington, Alaska began to excommunicated workers and friends who believed and taught the Trinity and Jesus is God from the ministry and fellowship. So, After I left the work I began to study the doctrine of the Trinity and is Jesus God for myself. God and Christ opened my eyes of understanding on the Godhead, Christ is the Lord God our Savior and the Holy Spirit is also God. God and Christ led me to Frank Stranges and Valiant Thor and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Frank, Valiant Thor and Jesus Himself confirms He is God Almighty! The Creators of Adam and Eve and all humans, angels, most of the ETs in the Universe. The gospel of Jesus Christ 21st century reveals and confirms to mankind in PLAIN langauge Jesus is the Christ the Lord God the humans Creator! He came down from heaven/Venus planet. Christ gives us the location of heaven is Venus where God, Christ, angels and all believers live right now. Heaven is REAL so is Hades! Christ is coming soon to establish His eternal kingdom on earth for 1000 yrs with His people. LEO STANCLIFF: "My hope of salvation is the blood of Christ. But I would like to explain to you what it means. The blood of Christ is the ministry and the church in the home. Without the New Testament ministry you don’t have the blood of Christ which includes the church in the home. The forgiveness of sins is a fringe benefit." [1981] "There are two things upon which the Truth of God rests, Jesus gave us the ministry and a way of fellowship. Now the ministry is the foundation of Christianity." [Sacramento California, 1980] Nathan LEO STANCLIFF just contradicted this..... "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus" Until you understand what God and Christ mean to the people of the day you will never understand the gospel......you were sowing fig leaves with Leo from day 1
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Post by Grant on Jul 15, 2021 2:35:38 GMT -5
Chuck has advanced knowledge of the scripture, you need to ask God to open your mind. He's preaching the 21st century Gospel. You need to get with the times. haha hardly anyone believed or understands Chuck pagans 21st century gospel except you 2×2 and a few 2x2 atheists on here. I think Chuck pagan 21st century gospel has poisoned your mind already. I don't understand Chucks version of the Bible. So how can I believe or not believe something I don't understand. I certainly don't believe what you write. Yours is not any centuries Gospel. It is made up stuff from Mr Stranges.
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Post by Annan on Jul 15, 2021 6:44:12 GMT -5
Chuck has advanced knowledge of the scripture, you need to ask God to open your mind. He's preaching the 21st century Gospel. You need to get with the times. haha hardly anyone believed or understands Chuck pagans 21st century gospel except you 2×2 and a few 2x2 atheists on here. I think Chuck pagan 21st century gospel has poisoned your mind already. *** Hahaha... Hardly anyone believes or understands Nathan's gospel. Nathan's gospel has poisoned his mind.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2021 8:55:16 GMT -5
haha hardly anyone believed or understands Chuck pagans 21st century gospel except you 2×2 and a few 2x2 atheists on here. I think Chuck pagan 21st century gospel has poisoned your mind already. *** Hahaha... Hardly anyone believes or understands Nathan's gospel. Nathan's gospel has poisoned his mind. That is OK, my part is to pass on the Information and God will judge the hearers and unbelievers at the end. God will judge people on how much truth have you heard and known.... if people don't adhere to it then the blood is on theirs heads. In the days of Noah, he warned and preached the coming world wide flood, they ignored and laughed at him, then one day the rain and the flood came and DROWN them all except 8 souls on the surface of the earth.
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Post by Annan on Jul 15, 2021 9:50:48 GMT -5
*** Hahaha... Hardly anyone believes or understands Nathan's gospel. Nathan's gospel has poisoned his mind. That is OK, my part is to pass on the Information and God will judge the hearers and unbelievers at the end. God will judge people on how much truth have you heard and known.... if people don't adhere to it then the blood is on theirs heads. In the days of Noah, he warned and preached the coming world wide flood, they ignored and laughed at him, then one day the rain and the flood came and DROWN them all except 8 souls on the surface of the earth.
*** It's my part (as it is with others on this board) to dispute lies and fantasies. There is no judge. No blood on anyone's head. It rains and floods are a natural part of living on the earth.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 15, 2021 14:05:11 GMT -5
That is OK, my part is to pass on the Information and God will judge the hearers and unbelievers at the end. God will judge people on how much truth have you heard and known.... if people don't adhere to it then the blood is on theirs heads. In the days of Noah, he warned and preached the coming world wide flood, they ignored and laughed at him, then one day the rain and the flood came and DROWN them all except 8 souls on the surface of the earth.
*** It's my part (as it is with others on this board) to dispute lies and fantasies. There is no judge. No blood on anyone's head. It rains and floods are a natural part of living on the earth. Your time will come soon when you find out the truth like the rich man in Luke 16. It will be a RUDE and shock awakening! For you to face your reality of life.
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Post by guest8 on Jul 15, 2021 15:25:38 GMT -5
“You wait to your father gets home
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 15, 2021 18:21:01 GMT -5
“You wait to your father gets home ** Yep! You don't want to disobey him, either! He will give you a good licking that will last for eternity in the hot place.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 15, 2021 18:27:15 GMT -5
“You wait to your father gets home ** Yep! You don't want to disobey him, either! He will give you a good licking that will last for eternity in the hot place. To bad you don't have a "mother" to straighten you out before HE gets to you.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 15, 2021 18:50:30 GMT -5
** Yep! You don't want to disobey him, either! He will give you a good licking that will last for eternity in the hot place. To bad you don't have a "mother" to straighten you out before HE gets to you. *** Yes, we/believers do have! You probably heard or remember the Holy Spirit liken unto the mother on earth. My mother loves me! For over 40 years... Without mother and Christ my God/Savior and elder brother pleading on my behalf, I would would get plenty of spanking from dad for sure. Thanks, to my mother/God and elder brother/God and Savior.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 19:06:28 GMT -5
Faith is an act of the imagination. And a healthy, vibrant imagination is crucial to the Christian life.
Imagination is typically associated with lighthearted creativity, learning, and play, but it has a darker side. The misuse of imagination can cause a whirlwind of thoughts and emotions that push away the present reality in favor of dreamt up scenarios and outcomes.
Don't become a Nefelibata. A cloud walker. An individual who lives in the clouds of their own imagination or dreams. They do not abide by the rules of society, art or literature.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 15, 2021 19:37:19 GMT -5
To bad you don't have a "mother" to straighten you out before HE gets to you. *** Yes, we/believers do have! You probably heard or remember the Holy Spirit liken unto the mother on earth. My mother loves me! For over 40 years... Without mother and Christ my God/Savior and elder brother pleading on my behalf, I would would get plenty of spanking from dad for sure. Thanks, to my mother/God and elder brother/God and Savior. Baloney. LS was your mother, not the HS.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 15, 2021 19:39:24 GMT -5
Faith is an act of the imagination. And a healthy, vibrant imagination is crucial to the Christian life. Imagination is typically associated with lighthearted creativity, learning, and play, but it has a darker side. The misuse of imagination can cause a whirlwind of thoughts and emotions that push away the present reality in favor of dreamt up scenarios and outcomes. Don't become a Nefelibata. A cloud walker. An individual who lives in the clouds of their own imagination or dreams. They do not abide by the rules of society, art or literature. Help me understand redback. We hear the term son-of-man but how can that be true when Jesus had no father only a mother? I suppose one might say son-of-God but I don't think that is correct. But what really confuses me is Daniel 7:14 "all people and all nations will server him." Can you see my confusion if it is pre-ordained as I quote above why do we need workers trying to get people to serve him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 20:01:59 GMT -5
Intel IMO there is no answer. It depends on your own imagination. That is why we have more than 30,000 Christian organisations.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2021 20:26:58 GMT -5
*** Yes, we/believers do have! You probably heard or remember the Holy Spirit liken unto the mother on earth. My mother loves me! For over 40 years... Without mother and Christ my God/Savior and elder brother pleading on my behalf, I would would get plenty of spanking from dad for sure. Thanks, to my mother/God and elder brother/God and Savior. Baloney. LS was your mother, not the HS. The Holy Spirit is no longer yours now! for sure. You left her and she has left you. You are now an orphan, no mother/H.S., dad/God or elder brother/Christ.
Leo Stancliff showed me the way to Christ, His Truth and Way... God already found me before the workers, He led me into the fellowship with His True people on earth. They are NOT perfect but trying to perfect through the blood of the Lamb, who cleanses their sins.
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Post by chuck on Jul 15, 2021 20:35:08 GMT -5
“You wait to your father gets home ** Yep! You don't want to disobey him, either! He will give you a good licking that will last for eternity in the hot place. This is just ridiculous Nathan......this is pure guilt ridden mind control... please stop it....you don't know what your doing! Absolutely nowhere does scripture describe a literal hot place that people will burn for ever......that is unless you read symbolic things as literal things.........you have displayed as I once did also that the understanding of the Hebrew people is of no concern to your religion....this is pure ignorance or just plain evil to do it with the knowledge, I think you are the ignorant type myself along with millions and millions of other Christians. Its not hard to just pick up a strongs concordance and look at meanings of words cross referenced through scripture to see that what your saying is not true at all. But what makes it even better to understand is to do it with some History knowledge as well, no excuse with the internet these days as its mostly at our finger tips, the only hurdle is filtering out the religion when googling. Your hot place of Hell(Gehenna) has roots in Child Sacrifice and Molech, go and learn about it so you can stop spreading religious nonsense that puts people in bondage. Its evil...... And also go and learn what Father means because its nothing like you are describing.......
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Post by chuck on Jul 15, 2021 20:35:56 GMT -5
Baloney. LS was your mother, not the HS. The Holy Spirit is no longer yours now! for sure. You left her and she has left you. You are now an orphan, no mother/H.S., dad/God or elder brother/Christ.
Leo Stancliff showed me the way to Christ, His Truth and Way... God already found me before the workers, He led me into the fellowship with His True people on earth. They are NOT perfect but trying to perfect through the blood of the Lamb, who cleanses their sins.
Leo showed you how to sow fig leaves, nothing more........
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2021 20:39:33 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit is no longer yours now! for sure. You left her and she has left you. You are now an orphan, no mother/H.S., dad/God or elder brother/Christ.
Leo Stancliff showed me the way to Christ, His Truth and Way... God already found me before the workers, He led me into the fellowship with His True people on earth. They are NOT perfect but trying to perfect through the blood of the Lamb, who cleanses their sins.
Leo showed you how to sow fig leaves, nothing more........ Leo S. was like John the Baptist, points his followers when he saw Jesus coming to him, "Christ must increase and I MUST decease." God took John the Baptist out of the picture so, everyone to focus their eyes and attention on Jesus Christ from then on. That is my goal and purpose in life..... Point people to follow Christ and to the workers who point others to follow Christ and NOT themselves or some pagans belief like you, Chuck.
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Post by chuck on Jul 15, 2021 20:41:35 GMT -5
Leo showed you how to sow fig leaves, nothing more........ Leo S. was like John the Baptist, point his followers when he saw Jesus coming to him, "Christ must increase and I MUST decease." God took John the Baptist out of the picture and everyone to focus their eyes and attention on Jesus Christ from then on. That is my goal and purpose in life..... Point people to follow Christ and to the workers who point others to follow Christ and NOT themselves or some pagans belief like you, Chuck.
No he was declaring himself a mediator....... And the scriptural description of his worker actions and yours are likened to sowing fig leaves.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 20:48:23 GMT -5
** Yep! You don't want to disobey him, either! He will give you a good licking that will last for eternity in the hot place. This is just ridiculous Nathan......this is pure guilt ridden mind control... please stop it....you don't know what your doing! Absolutely nowhere does scripture describe a literal hot place that people will burn for ever......that is unless you read symbolic things as literal things.........you have displayed as I once did also that the understanding of the Hebrew people is of no concern to your religion....this is pure ignorance or just plain evil to do it with the knowledge, I think you are the ignorant type myself along with millions and millions of other Christians. Its not hard to just pick up a strongs concordance and look at meanings of words cross referenced through scripture to see that what your saying is not true at all. But what makes it even better to understand is to do it with some History knowledge as well, no excuse with the internet these days as its mostly at our finger tips, the only hurdle is filtering out the religion when googling. Your hot place of Hell(Gehenna) has roots in Child Sacrifice and Molech, go and learn about it so you can stop spreading religious nonsense that puts people in bondage. Its evil...... And also go and learn what Father means because its nothing like you are describing....... luke 16....
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2021 20:56:26 GMT -5
Leo S. was like John the Baptist, point his followers when he saw Jesus coming to him, "Christ must increase and I MUST decease." God took John the Baptist out of the picture and everyone to focus their eyes and attention on Jesus Christ from then on. That is my goal and purpose in life..... Point people to follow Christ and to the workers who point others to follow Christ and NOT themselves or some pagans belief like you, Chuck. No he was declaring himself a mediator....... And the scriptural description of his worker actions and yours are likened to sowing fig leaves....... You need to get your Bible and read it... Paul/worker wrote this in I Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. God and Christ have given Paul the worker and the 2x2 workers.... the gospel of reconciliation between God and man.
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Post by chuck on Jul 15, 2021 21:20:18 GMT -5
No he was declaring himself a mediator....... And the scriptural description of his worker actions and yours are likened to sowing fig leaves....... You need to get your Bible and read it... Paul/worker wrote this in I Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. God and Christ have given Paul the worker and the 2x2 workers.... the gospel of reconciliation between God and man.Aiding how to sow fig leaves was described as a serpent in the garden.................2x2ism is sowing fig leaves....... you or the workers pushing 2x2ism are not Ambassadors for Christ, that's a lie. You can be ambassadors for Christ by showing the compassionate gracious ect character but thats it, nothing to do with 2x2ism period.......that's pure fig leaves. For someone to think they're so special that they or their little group has the only ministry of reconciliation is described by Jesus as false teachers ect.....
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Post by chuck on Jul 15, 2021 21:41:18 GMT -5
New videos added to opening post!.
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