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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 2:25:35 GMT -5
God said He will burn her in the Lake of fire for Eternity, if she doesn't REPENT of her sins.... and those whose names are NOT written in the book of life.Rev. 20:12-15 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he or she was thrown into the lake of fire. You've got some gall to say that. I believe thats... And Nathan said RT will burn because RT doesn't see it like Nathan..... As I keep saying, those that dont see it like you or wally will burn. You both stutter and splutter around that statement because it smacks you in the face every time. You have no Idea what's in RT's heart!. It was NOT me or Wally, who says she will burn in the lake of fire for eternity but it's the word of God. Wally and I say if you don't see as it is written God's words in the Bible you will BURN in the lake of fire.
Please, don't put your belief, and saying when we did NOT say it. God sees what is in RT hearts and those like her.... They and you can't fool God one second.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 2:31:06 GMT -5
*** I agree, the west coast overseers got that one screwed up about splitting families with young children! When God forgives, the they are no longer sinners! No need to split up families. Just to think the children living apart loosing one their parents, it can be devastating their minds and think God is a mean guy up in heaven. God already forgave, there is no "when God forgives" And thinking God is literally up in Heaven and being dogmatic about it is one of the main reasons religion is hated and it screws up so many lives. It is you who gives people false hope.... What God has said there is eternal punishment and torture and you say there is NO such thing! You don't want to contradict against God words, Chuck.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 2:42:14 GMT -5
You've got some gall to say that. I believe thats... And Nathan said RT will burn because RT doesn't see it like Nathan..... As I keep saying, those that dont see it like you or wally will burn. You both stutter and splutter around that statement because it smacks you in the face every time. You have no Idea what's in RT's heart!. It was NOT me or Wally, who says she will burn in the lake of fire for eternity but it's the word of God. Wally and I say if you don't see as it is written God's words in the Bible you will BURN in the lake of fire.
Please, don't put your belief, and saying when we did NOT say it. God sees what is in RT hearts and those like her.... They and you can't fool God one second.
You are both committing the original sin. Being the master of good and evil. You never grasped the very first life application of scripture Nathan, and it just goes downhill from there. You have already told us your god will burn RT. Your god starts with N and ends with N. What you and wally really say is, if you don't see it our way, your gonna burn!.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 2:48:07 GMT -5
It was NOT me or Wally, who says she will burn in the lake of fire for eternity but it's the word of God. Wally and I say if you don't see as it is written God's words in the Bible you will BURN in the lake of fire.
Please, don't put your belief, and saying when we did NOT say it. God sees what is in RT hearts and those like her.... They and you can't fool God one second.
You are both committing the original sin. Being the master of good and evil. You never grasped the very first life application of scripture Nathan, and it just goes downhill from there. You have already told us your god will burn RT. Your god starts with N and ends with N. What you and wally really say is, if you don't see it our way, your gonna burn!. You need help very badly, Chuck with your interpretation no hell or eternal torture. You sound like a Queen of broken record your Master RT. " What you and wally really say is, if you don't see it our way, your gonna burn!." READ and STUDY Luke 16.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 2:50:22 GMT -5
God already forgave, there is no "when God forgives" And thinking God is literally up in Heaven and being dogmatic about it is one of the main reasons religion is hated and it screws up so many lives. It is you who gives people false hope.... What God has said there is eternal punishment and torture and you say there is NO such thing! You don't want to contradict against God words, Chuck.
No, what I said was there is no eternal punishment and torture like your indoctrinated literal thinking western mind imagines. I believe there is eternal punishment and torture, i see it happening before my very eyes, some of it was even inflicted by unlearned charlatans meddling in married couples lives. They bring hell instead of heaven. A true believer brings heaven any place they see hell. No 2x2ism or religion required. It can be accomplished by anyone!.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 2:53:56 GMT -5
You are both committing the original sin. Being the master of good and evil. You never grasped the very first life application of scripture Nathan, and it just goes downhill from there. You have already told us your god will burn RT. Your god starts with N and ends with N. What you and wally really say is, if you don't see it our way, your gonna burn!. You need help very badly, Chuck with your interpretation no hell or eternal torture. You sound like a Queen of broken record your Master RT. " What you and wally really say is, if you don't see it our way, your gonna burn!." READ and STUDY Luke 16.
You see Nathan I did. And I don't see it your way, therefore I burn. I dont see it like you......so what will happen to me?.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 2:55:30 GMT -5
It was NOT me or Wally, who says she will burn in the lake of fire for eternity but it's the word of God. Wally and I say if you don't see as it is written God's words in the Bible you will BURN in the lake of fire.
Please, don't put your belief, and saying when we did NOT say it. God sees what is in RT hearts and those like her.... They and you can't fool God one second.
You are both committing the original sin. Being the master of good and evil. You never grasped the very first life application of scripture Nathan, and it just goes downhill from there. You have already told us your god will burn RT. Your god starts with N and ends with N. What you and wally really say is, if you don't see it our way, your gonna burn!. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 2:58:51 GMT -5
God said He will burn her in the Lake of fire for Eternity, if she doesn't REPENT of her sins.... and those whose names are NOT written in the book of life.Rev. 20:12-15 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he or she was thrown into the lake of fire. You've got some gall to say that. I believe thats... And Nathan said RT will burn because RT doesn't see it like Nathan..... As I keep saying, those that dont see it like you or wally will burn. You both stutter and splutter around that statement because it smacks you in the face every time. You have no Idea what's in RT's heart!. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... we see RT's "heart" all the time here especially when it comes to nathan, me a close second, and shushy coming up fast....
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 3:08:11 GMT -5
You are both committing the original sin. Being the master of good and evil. You never grasped the very first life application of scripture Nathan, and it just goes downhill from there. You have already told us your god will burn RT. Your god starts with N and ends with N. What you and wally really say is, if you don't see it our way, your gonna burn!. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... We know......🥱 What are the consequences if I dont see it like you?.....
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 3:10:21 GMT -5
You've got some gall to say that. I believe thats... And Nathan said RT will burn because RT doesn't see it like Nathan..... As I keep saying, those that dont see it like you or wally will burn. You both stutter and splutter around that statement because it smacks you in the face every time. You have no Idea what's in RT's heart!. i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... we see RT's "heart" all the time here especially when it comes to nathan, me a close second, and shushy coming up fast.... you have no idea........ That's like me declaring your heart is evil......and then ganging up on you, who's the evil one?.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 3:27:18 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... We know......🥱 What are the consequences if I dont see it like you?..... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 3:28:31 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... we see RT's "heart" all the time here especially when it comes to nathan, me a close second, and shushy coming up fast.... you have no idea........ That's like me declaring your heart is evil......and then ganging up on you, who's the evil one?..... we can only go by what is posted on this forum....
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 4:15:36 GMT -5
you have no idea........ That's like me declaring your heart is evil......and then ganging up on you, who's the evil one?..... we can only go by what is posted on this forum.... Exactly......... you have no idea.....so quit playing God.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 4:18:41 GMT -5
We know......🥱 What are the consequences if I dont see it like you?..... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... Who would have thought, a question wally can't answer.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 4:24:32 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... Who would have thought, a question wally can't answer..... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"<<<< hmmm seems like an answer to me, however it may not be one that you like...
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 4:55:25 GMT -5
Who would have thought, a question wally can't answer..... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"<<<< hmmm seems like an answer to me, however it may not be one that you like... Question: will I burn of I dont see it like you? Answer:"i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" At least answer the question so we actually have a opportunity of disliking your answer....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 5:24:14 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"<<<< hmmm seems like an answer to me, however it may not be one that you like... Question: will I burn of I dont see it like you? Answer:"i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn" At least answer the question so we actually have a opportunity of disliking your answer.... 'i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 26, 2021 5:38:14 GMT -5
Who would have thought, a question wally can't answer..... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"<<<< hmmm seems like an answer to me, however it may not be one that you like... You don't have to say it @wally, remember what you said a few posts up about "we can only go by what we see posted on this forum" well we can do the same thing ! And you attitude to chuck or anyone who disagrees with you shines through !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 5:43:53 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"<<<< hmmm seems like an answer to me, however it may not be one that you like... You don't have to say it @wally , remember what you said a few posts up about "we can only go by what we see posted on this forum" well we can do the same thing ! And you attitude to chuck or anyone who disagrees with you shines through ! i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"
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Post by Annan on Jan 26, 2021 6:37:20 GMT -5
That confuses me. So if you confess your sin and god forgives you, you can still continue in sin? How do you know god forgave you? As long the believers live in this sinful bodies and nature we will continue to make mistakes and fail to sins so God has provided a way to cleanse our sins through Jesus precious blood daily. When God forgives us we have an inner peace and joy in our hearts. That's not exactly what I wanted to know. Say a woman divorces her husband and marries again. Then she realizes her divorce and remarriage was a sin as her ex-husband is still living. She asks her god for forgiveness. What perplexes me me is that she can continue in her current/second marriage and enjoy life with her husband even though she sinned. The sin continues does it not? Doesn't seem logical or right to me.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 10:54:19 GMT -5
As long the believers live in this sinful bodies and nature we will continue to make mistakes and fail to sins so God has provided a way to cleanse our sins through Jesus precious blood daily. When God forgives us we have an inner peace and joy in our hearts. That's not exactly what I wanted to know. Say a woman divorces her husband and marries again. Then she realizes her divorce and remarriage was a sin as her ex-husband is still living. She asks her god for forgiveness. What perplexes me me is that she can continue in her current/second marriage and enjoy life with her husband even though she sinned. The sin continues does it not? Doesn't seem logical or right to me. Well, I know of many cases that married couples divorced and remarriage then they heard the gospel and professed with children, the workers did NOT ask them to separate and NOT to take parts. Some of them became church elders, one of those couples was my Sunday morning meeting elders for many years in Seattle.
Does that logical and sound right to you?
I know of some men in Africa, who had many wives, and children then they professed, the workers did NOT ask them to divorce their wives, and children. They just told them NOT to marry anymore wives! and keep what they have. Are they living in sins according to you? then why, didn't workers tell them divorce many of their wives and just keep one, how could they ask him to choose one but which one is the right one? but many of their wives are still alive but he could take parts.
Workers should stop playing God, preach and teach what is the will and plan of God for marriage, divorce and remarriage and ask them go to God and ask for forgiveness and leave it all to God. Don't make up rules of this and that, can't do this and that..
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Post by Annan on Jan 26, 2021 11:39:07 GMT -5
That's not exactly what I wanted to know. Say a woman divorces her husband and marries again. Then she realizes her divorce and remarriage was a sin as her ex-husband is still living. She asks her god for forgiveness. What perplexes me me is that she can continue in her current/second marriage and enjoy life with her husband even though she sinned. The sin continues does it not? Doesn't seem logical or right to me. Well, I know of many cases that married couples divorced and remarriage then they heard the gospel and professed with children, the workers did NOT ask them to separate and NOT to take parts. Some of them became church elders, one of those couples was my Sunday morning meeting elders for many years in Seattle.
Does that logical and sound right to you?
I know of some men in Africa, who had many wives, and children then they professed, the workers did NOT ask them to divorce their wives, and children. They just told them NOT to marry anymore wives! and keep what they have. Are they living in sins according to you? then why, didn't workers tell them divorce many of their wives and just keep one, how could they ask him to choose one but which one is the right one? but many of their wives are still alive but he could take parts.
Workers should stop playing God, preach and teach what is the will and plan of God for marriage, divorce and remarriage and ask them go to God and ask for forgiveness and leave it all to God. Don't make up rules of this and that, can't do this and that..
Thank you, Nathan. A very complex issue. I remember a woman at convention that my mother said was not allowed to take part because her husband divorced her. Way too many rules.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 12:43:42 GMT -5
Well, I know of many cases that married couples divorced and remarriage then they heard the gospel and professed with children, the workers did NOT ask them to separate and NOT to take parts. Some of them became church elders, one of those couples was my Sunday morning meeting elders for many years in Seattle.
Does that logical and sound right to you?
I know of some men in Africa, who had many wives, and children then they professed, the workers did NOT ask them to divorce their wives, and children. They just told them NOT to marry anymore wives! and keep what they have. Are they living in sins according to you? then why, didn't workers tell them divorce many of their wives and just keep one, how could they ask him to choose one but which one is the right one? but many of their wives are still alive but he could take parts.
Workers should stop playing God, preach and teach what is the will and plan of God for marriage, divorce and remarriage and ask them go to God and ask for forgiveness and leave it all to God. Don't make up rules of this and that, can't do this and that..
Thank you, Nathan. A very complex issue. I remember a woman at convention that my mother said was not allowed to take part because her husband divorced her. Way too many rules. *** You are welcome. Yes, it's very complicated and some cases are very hard for the workers to unravel and straighten out. Different overseers around the world have different set of rules on remarriage while their mates are still alive, some are hard liners and some are NOT because they put that in the hands of God. Tell them it WRONG to remarry while their mates are still alive tell them to go to God and ask forgiveness and the workers MUST not to make rules which God did NOT ask them to make and put great and heavy burdens, stressful life to live as Christians.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 15:22:16 GMT -5
Well, I know of many cases that married couples divorced and remarriage then they heard the gospel and professed with children, the workers did NOT ask them to separate and NOT to take parts. Some of them became church elders, one of those couples was my Sunday morning meeting elders for many years in Seattle.
Does that logical and sound right to you?
I know of some men in Africa, who had many wives, and children then they professed, the workers did NOT ask them to divorce their wives, and children. They just told them NOT to marry anymore wives! and keep what they have. Are they living in sins according to you? then why, didn't workers tell them divorce many of their wives and just keep one, how could they ask him to choose one but which one is the right one? but many of their wives are still alive but he could take parts.
Workers should stop playing God, preach and teach what is the will and plan of God for marriage, divorce and remarriage and ask them go to God and ask for forgiveness and leave it all to God. Don't make up rules of this and that, can't do this and that..
Thank you, Nathan. A very complex issue. I remember a woman at convention that my mother said was not allowed to take part because her husband divorced her. Way too many rules. These people invented 613 laws. It seems they are still adding to them today.... Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.11 The greatest among you will be your servant.12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” - Matthew 23:1-13,15-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-13,15-39&version=NIV
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 26, 2021 16:38:40 GMT -5
That's not exactly what I wanted to know. Say a woman divorces her husband and marries again. Then she realizes her divorce and remarriage was a sin as her ex-husband is still living. She asks her god for forgiveness. What perplexes me me is that she can continue in her current/second marriage and enjoy life with her husband even though she sinned. The sin continues does it not? Doesn't seem logical or right to me. Well, I know of many cases that married couples divorced and remarriage then they heard the gospel and professed with children, the workers did NOT ask them to separate and NOT to take parts. Some of them became church elders, one of those couples was my Sunday morning meeting elders for many years in Seattle.
Does that logical and sound right to you?
I know of some men in Africa, who had many wives, and children then they professed, the workers did NOT ask them to divorce their wives, and children. They just told them NOT to marry anymore wives! and keep what they have. Are they living in sins according to you? then why, didn't workers tell them divorce many of their wives and just keep one, how could they ask him to choose one but which one is the right one? but many of their wives are still alive but he could take parts.
Workers should stop playing God, preach and teach what is the will and plan of God for marriage, divorce and remarriage and ask them go to God and ask for forgiveness and leave it all to God. Don't make up rules of this and that, can't do this and that..
Chalk it up - I agree with you
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 16:43:42 GMT -5
I say the current overseers need to delete rules and laws that create heavy burdens on the friends spiritual lives.
For an example, blacks stocking heavy wools, they had to wear in the summer time, even nylons stockings were NOT very comfortable to wear in summer time.
The early days senior sister workers began to voice their opinions about NOT wearing black stockings, by wearing Nylon stocking instead and now most of the friends and many younger sister workers don't wear nylons stockings either.
The overseers should let the remarriage friends while their mates are still alive NOT to take parts for 6 months, to show them God disapproves of it but He has forgiven them.
No need to split up the children apart from their parents.
I have seen beautiful spirits of repentance in their faces, spirits and just for them to sit there without saying a word is NOT right! They have a beautiful song of praises to God mercy and kindness but they are told to be quite by men rules.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:44:16 GMT -5
I can't see what all the fuss is about. After all adultery is only a Woman hanging her fur on another Woman's peg.
Happens all the time in dressing rooms.
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Post by magpies39plus on Feb 10, 2021 17:34:36 GMT -5
Hi Redback,still spray the toilet seat with spider killer? Hey I asked 2x simple questions which a simple yes or no would was what one would expect. No but 7x pages later the off road tracks just show some true immaturities,ignorance,twisters,spinners,etc.Perhaps I should ask them again?Perhaps after a yes or no,a small comment relevent to the question EG Interesting,not interested,an eye opener,etc would be OK. Magpie
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