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Post by Annan on Jan 25, 2021 7:49:29 GMT -5
You must do everything according to the book. Just a matter of which book you pick. Just so you know, I'm quoting you in my sig line. Love it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 9:26:39 GMT -5
in matters of marriage its not "technical" its actually 2 well defined actions one is separate the other is divorce they are not the same...you either follow the bible and God/Christ/Holy Spirits leading or you don't if you don't there will be little excuse once the consequences start....Luke 16 Look at you go, all technical and all when it suits. But when I suggest Hell is 4 different things with history and Hebrew concepts to support it, your technicality is out of sight and mind inside venus with Nathan. I agree divorced and separate are different things. Care to elaborate how these separated couples live their lives now compared to divorced couples?. What are the consequences if I don't see it like you wally?. luke 16 Jesus clarified what Hell/Hades/Gehenna/the grave was read it, get use to it, understand it, its waiting.... a separation in a marriage can be a temporary thing and may get resolved, a divorce is generally permanent and there is no resolution... I've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn" good try though atheist
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 9:36:38 GMT -5
between the two of us i appear to be the adult and you are the child throwing a little temper tantrum(your quite good at it). you just lied again(your quite good at that too)i never said divorce the 2nd spouse i said those 2 men SEPARATED from their 2nd spouses just a TAD different condition wouldn't you say? quoting irrelevant scripture to understanding the divorce and remarriage issue is being a bit of a fool. you should stop quoting scripture you are not good at it. atheist Luke 16. I would think anyone normal would be angered by the fire started from unlearned fools tongues whilst others endulge in the fools idea thats wrecking others lives. concerning scripture its generally people that have no understanding(like yourself) or fools(like yourself)that get angry. especially when they get caught doing something very wrong or contrary to biblical doctrine and their guilty conscience kicks in. life is about choices and consequences becareful how you choose as it will definitely affect you and it might affect others... good try though atheist
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 10:02:39 GMT -5
I have no idea what the heck you're talking about... You are in another plain, JW/Chuck.... You need to STOP reading Watchtower, and other websites in trying to increase your wisdom, they can mess up your mind big time.... and it shows.
Nathan, when you stop getting offended with my attempts of showing compassion to people that need it, and you stop endulging in disunity, you then may have a argument that my mind is messed up. But the status quo suggests you got that mixed up. You have to be VERY careful NOT to get MIXED up with the Law of Moses and Christ's New Testament teachings on marriage, divorce and remarriage. Believe on the teachings of Jesus and of Paul on these things read and STUDY Matthew 19 on what Jesus/God and NOT Moses, saying on marriage, divorce and remarriage.
Don't read too many different websites on the subject it can mess you and your mind up! As believers we are LIVING and FOLLOWING the New Testament grace and truth NOT obeying the Law of Moses was covenant written for the children of Israel in the Old Testament time or days.
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 25, 2021 10:05:42 GMT -5
"God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." 1 Corinthians 14:33 What you like is irrelevant. What did God say? The west coast workers prayed and read their Bibles and got instructions from God to break up families. The wicked east coast workers leaned on their own understanding and were worried about meeting the approval of men.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 10:13:05 GMT -5
"God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." 1 Corinthians 14:33 What you like is irrelevant. What did God say? The west coast workers prayed and read their Bibles and got instructions from God to break up families. The wicked east coast workers leaned on their own understanding and were worried about meeting the approval of men. Yes, even among the apostles in the 1st century had disagreement on doctrines Acts 15. Pray to the Holy Spirit to guide you, read the words of God and Christ, the apostle Paul on marriage, divorce and remarriage. The answers are there in the words of God.
The solution is learn forgive and forget your mate mistakes, sins Jesus said 70x7 a day when you are married or in life. Reconcile if you can, if NOT you can divorce for physical abuse, using drugs or whatever, but you must remain unmarried until that husband or wife has died, then you can remarry must be in the Lord of the same faith as Paul encourages in his epistle.
When a person follows and obey God, Christ teachings then they will grant him/her the spirit of inner peace which comes from above. TRY NOT to get around God and Christ teachings on the marriage, divorce and remarriage like the people in the days of Moses did, people will NOT get peace for their marriage from God and He will let them KNOW by troubling their minds and spirits of the marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 15:39:04 GMT -5
OMG just as I thought...of course we could all say God "spoke to me" but we all know there is no proof God said anything ! Why would someone speak about this in their testimony @wally ? To justify what they are doing, to get others to feel sorry for them ? Surely it should be something between the person and God (if they really believe God spoke to them) ? As chuck has said what a load of BS ! Spiritual abuse. Gaslighting. Legalism. Religosty. All B.S conducted by the Scribes and Pharisees. Nothing's Changed. When you have been indoctrinated enough your mind is so screwed up you justify all sorts of crazy sh...t. Of course god told you to leave your spouse, god(2x2ism) has been conditioning you since the day you found god(2x2ism) to take 2x2ism very seriously, even if it means leaving your spouse for some unlearned fools satisfaction and power trip. The Character of Christ lived out in your life does not divorce/separate partners spouses due to endulging legalism from the Pharisees, even if your divorced and remarried. The context around remarriage was remarrying the one you already divorced. then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord. Do not bring sin upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. - Deuteronomy 24:4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy24:4&version=NIVThe basic idea was if you tried it once and it didn't work, most likely the second go around will end the same way. And if your husband was dead/death/darkness, basically unfaithful,abusive, lazy, ect, and was not willing to keep/respect the echad you should divorce him. The concept is based on "echad", to understand marriage and divorce you need to understand echad. Now these foolish Pharisees are clueless on unity, to them unity is uniformity, two totally different things, so they will never grasp the concept of echad whilst their understanding of unity is uniformity(like us). Thats why they burn people not like them, because they're is no uniformity, or they dont look act think or speak like us so therfore they must be going to hell. Basically they are clueless on marriage and divorce in the scriptures. I may not have it all right, but im in the ball park, these fools haven't even left home and the charlatans are wrecking lives. "You cant remarry", "you should leave her" ect ect. Have you noticed how disgusted and offended they get when someone dares to show grace to people not like them. The nutjobs along with the romans that called for Christ to be killed showed that behaviour. How dare you show compassion, love, mercy ect to people we dont deem worthy, were gonna kill you. Nothing's changed apart from it's illegal to do it physically, so they do it spiritually instead. 1. you are being deceptive in just quoting deut. 24:4 there is also deut 24:3 that proceeds it and gives more detail to what was occurring. duet 24: 1-2 are helpful also... what was occurring is that if a woman got divorced, then she married another man and that man either died or divorced her also, she could not go back to her 1st husband as she was already defiled from the 2nd marriage(remarriage)... Paul clears up part of it further in 1 cor 7: 10-11 here its says that if a woman departs from her husband, depart also means separate, separate also means the same as put away(look it up)being put away can also include divorce. so if a woman separates and/or divorces her husband BUT REMAINS UNMARRIED she can go back to her husband which if the case were divorce would mean remarry him. 2. Christ NEVER mentions going back to your 1st husband/wife was the remarriage he was talking about in Matt 5:-31-32, Mar 10: 2-12, Luke 16:18, Matt 19:9 he SPECIFICALLY says anyone, whosoever, and the man who. NOT former spouse that would have been covered by deut 24:4...its everyone folks 3. The Echad "concept" echad is about one, being one, God is one, a group of items being one, only. alone, first, unique echad NEVER defines putting away, or divorce or remarriage. echad doesn't even really mean marriage although used at least one time to describe what marriage is like "being one". summing it up: 1. chuck you need to stop quoting scripture you are butchering it.. 2. chuck you need to stop pretending you have any more of an insight into the Hebrew language, Culture, and Concepts than anyone one else as you are butchering that too....its quite a smoke screen though throwing around hebrew words... 3. as they say 3 strikes and your out, Mr. Ballpark 4. before anyone spouts off some feminist crap both 1 and 2 above apply to men and women equally good job corrupting scripture there atheist
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 16:01:11 GMT -5
Look at you go, all technical and all when it suits. But when I suggest Hell is 4 different things with history and Hebrew concepts to support it, your technicality is out of sight and mind inside venus with Nathan. I agree divorced and separate are different things. Care to elaborate how these separated couples live their lives now compared to divorced couples?. What are the consequences if I don't see it like you wally?. luke 16 Jesus clarified what Hell/Hades/Gehenna/the grave was read it, get use to it, understand it, its waiting.... a separation in a marriage can be a temporary thing and may get resolved, a divorce is generally permanent and there is no resolution... I've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn" good try though atheist What a joke, if they die before the previous spouse does it was pretty permanent. How are their lives they live today different from a divorced couple? Conditioning people to leave their partner spouse ect because of being unlearned is wrong, endulging in the idea is not much better. I figured you wouldn't back up your hollow proclamations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 16:23:59 GMT -5
luke 16 Jesus clarified what Hell/Hades/Gehenna/the grave was read it, get use to it, understand it, its waiting.... a separation in a marriage can be a temporary thing and may get resolved, a divorce is generally permanent and there is no resolution... I've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn" good try though atheist What a joke, if they die before the previous spouse does it was pretty permanent. How are their lives they live today different from a divorced couple? Conditioning people to leave their partner spouse ect because of being unlearned is wrong, endulging in the idea is not much better. I figured you wouldn't back up your hollow proclamations. all i can say is that its probably time for you to crack open a bible(you might actually learn something if you acknowledge God/Christ and the Holy Spirit) and get to reading about putting away, divorce and remarrying its a no no you can't escape if you continue to do/stay in it.... good try though atheist
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 16:31:40 GMT -5
luke 16 Jesus clarified what Hell/Hades/Gehenna/the grave was read it, get use to it, understand it, its waiting.... a separation in a marriage can be a temporary thing and may get resolved, a divorce is generally permanent and there is no resolution... I've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you'll burn" good try though atheist What a joke, if they die before the previous spouse does it was pretty permanent. How are their lives they live today different from a divorced couple? Conditioning people to leave their partner spouse ect because of being unlearned is wrong, endulging in the idea is not much better. I figured you wouldn't back up your hollow proclamations. *** I agree, the west coast overseers got that one screwed up about splitting families with young children! When God forgives, the they are no longer sinners! No need to split up families. Just to think the children living apart loosing one their parents, it can be devastating their minds and think God is a mean guy up in heaven.
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Post by Annan on Jan 25, 2021 17:45:09 GMT -5
I agree, the west coast overseers got that one screwed up about splitting families with young children! When God forgives, the they are no longer sinners! No need to split up families. Just to think the children living apart loosing one their parents, it can be devastating their minds and think God is a mean guy up in heaven. That confuses me. So if you confess your sin and god forgives you, you can still continue in sin? How do you know god forgave you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 18:11:31 GMT -5
You must come to God, pray using scripture, and ask Him to forgive you. Then you must believe that God has.
Sort of a DIY thing. You ask the question, give yourself the answer. It will always be the answer you want, permission to sin again.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 18:32:19 GMT -5
I agree, the west coast overseers got that one screwed up about splitting families with young children! When God forgives, the they are no longer sinners! No need to split up families. Just to think the children living apart loosing one their parents, it can be devastating their minds and think God is a mean guy up in heaven. That confuses me. So if you confess your sin and god forgives you, you can still continue in sin? How do you know god forgave you? As long the believers live in this sinful bodies and nature we will continue to make mistakes and fail to sins so God has provided a way to cleanse our sins through Jesus precious blood daily. When God forgives us we have an inner peace and joy in our hearts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 18:39:24 GMT -5
A process that takes place in your own mind, as often as required. I get the same result by having a Guinness.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 18:49:26 GMT -5
What a joke, if they die before the previous spouse does it was pretty permanent. How are their lives they live today different from a divorced couple? Conditioning people to leave their partner spouse ect because of being unlearned is wrong, endulging in the idea is not much better. I figured you wouldn't back up your hollow proclamations. all i can say is that its probably time for you to crack open a bible(you might actually learn something if you acknowledge God/Christ and the Holy Spirit) and get to reading about putting away, divorce and remarrying its a no no you can't escape if you continue to do/stay in it.... good try though atheist Showing your true colours still @wally ! You are so full of your own self righteousness ! A great example of a Christian NOT ! Maybe you need to fix your own issues ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 21:05:30 GMT -5
all i can say is that its probably time for you to crack open a bible(you might actually learn something if you acknowledge God/Christ and the Holy Spirit) and get to reading about putting away, divorce and remarrying its a no no you can't escape if you continue to do/stay in it.... good try though atheist Showing your true colours still @wally ! You are so full of your own self righteousness ! A great example of a Christian NOT ! Maybe you need to fix your own issues ? what ever personal issues you may be having are seeping into every conversation. maybe you might want to fix that?
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 21:46:22 GMT -5
Showing your true colours still @wally ! You are so full of your own self righteousness ! A great example of a Christian NOT ! Maybe you need to fix your own issues ? what ever personal issues you may be having are seeping into every conversation. maybe you might want to fix that? Projecting again are you @wally ! We only have to read this thread with your comments to chuck to see your self righteous attitude and your smart arse comments to him, yet you call yourself a Christian !
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 22:07:11 GMT -5
what ever personal issues you may be having are seeping into every conversation. maybe you might want to fix that? Projecting again are you @wally ! We only have to read this thread with your comments to chuck to see your self righteous attitude and your smart arse comments to him, yet you call yourself a Christian ! And you are NOT the greatest smart Ass yourself on here, RT? No wonder you speak like an ex-2x2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 22:12:53 GMT -5
what ever personal issues you may be having are seeping into every conversation. maybe you might want to fix that? Projecting again are you @wally ! We only have to read this thread with your comments to chuck to see your self righteous attitude and your smart arse comments to him, yet you call yourself a Christian ! see? there is that personal issue popping up again...fix fix fix...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 22:13:23 GMT -5
Projecting again are you @wally ! We only have to read this thread with your comments to chuck to see your self righteous attitude and your smart arse comments to him, yet you call yourself a Christian ! And you are NOT the greatest smart Ass yourself on here, RT?  No wonder you speak like an ex-2x2.Have a look in the mirror nathan !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 22:15:06 GMT -5
Projecting again are you @wally ! We only have to read this thread with your comments to chuck to see your self righteous attitude and your smart arse comments to him, yet you call yourself a Christian ! see? there is that personal issue popping up again...fix fix fix... Projecting again @wally !! Nice try though!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 22:18:03 GMT -5
see? there is that personal issue popping up again...fix fix fix... Projecting again @wally !! Nice try thought ! *though
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 22:24:32 GMT -5
Projecting again @wally !! Nice try thought ! *though Thanks for that @wally ! I suppose I don't type it as much as you do🙂
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 23:56:40 GMT -5
And you are NOT the greatest smart Ass yourself on here, RT? No wonder you speak like an ex-2x2. Have a look in the mirror nathan ! You are the ex-2x2 but I am the true 2x2 like the early 2x2 workers. They believe Jesus is God; the Trinity like I do.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 0:57:55 GMT -5
Projecting again are you @wally ! We only have to read this thread with your comments to chuck to see your self righteous attitude and your smart arse comments to him, yet you call yourself a Christian ! And you are NOT the greatest smart Ass yourself on here, RT?  No wonder you speak like an ex-2x2.I don't see her burning anyone Nathan, even those that dont agree with her....
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 1:03:59 GMT -5
And you are NOT the greatest smart Ass yourself on here, RT? No wonder you speak like an ex-2x2. I don't see her burning anyone Nathan, even those that dont agree with her.... God said He will burn her in the Lake of fire for Eternity, if she doesn't REPENT of her sins.... and those whose names are NOT written in the book of life.Rev. 20:12-15 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he or she was thrown into the lake of fire.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 1:23:42 GMT -5
I don't see her burning anyone Nathan, even those that dont agree with her.... God said He will burn her in the Lake of fire for Eternity, if she doesn't REPENT of her sins.... and those whose names are NOT written in the book of life.Rev. 20:12-15 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he or she was thrown into the lake of fire.You've got some gall to say that. I believe thats... And Nathan said RT will burn because RT doesn't see it like Nathan..... As I keep saying, those that dont see it like you or wally will burn. You both stutter and splutter around that statement because it smacks you in the face every time. You have no Idea what's in RT's heart!.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 1:40:36 GMT -5
What a joke, if they die before the previous spouse does it was pretty permanent. How are their lives they live today different from a divorced couple? Conditioning people to leave their partner spouse ect because of being unlearned is wrong, endulging in the idea is not much better. I figured you wouldn't back up your hollow proclamations. *** I agree, the west coast overseers got that one screwed up about splitting families with young children! When God forgives, the they are no longer sinners! No need to split up families. Just to think the children living apart loosing one their parents, it can be devastating their minds and think God is a mean guy up in heaven. God already forgave, there is no "when God forgives" And thinking God is literally up in Heaven and being dogmatic about it is one of the main reasons religion is hated and it screws up so many lives.
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