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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 0:33:52 GMT -5
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.11 The greatest among you will be your servant.12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” - Matthew 23:1-13,15-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-13,15-39&version=NIV
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 0:36:29 GMT -5
we have had 2 men in our region(I don't know if there are more that have tried it)AB(you probably know AB nathan he lives near you last i knew on the columbia river wa side?) and DM they both received word from God to separate from their 2nd wives until the 1st dies. for AB this actually happened. for DM the struggle is still going on. with AB children were involved. with DM i am not sure i know he and his 1st wife have kids but not sure if he did with the 2nd wife.in the last 40 years i know of only 3 cases of allowed remarriage and to take part in my region. 2 of those cases involved having a spouse that knew nothing of the truth when they did it. how that allows them to do that and where they got their rationalization for that i have no idea cause scripture doesn't bear that out. in the other case it was 2 professing people that knew better that did it and they got the approval of a long time worker to go ahead and do it. that worker ended up getting shipped overseas and/or demoted from older worker status for doing that(rumor has it). also to my knowledge in our region there have been MANY remarried couples that are allowed to attend meeting but no baptism or taking part allowed. i can't speak for any other region or country though. although(last i knew) it has been said that BC reflects the same standards as my region. This is utter bs. Spiritual abuse dished out by unlearned fools. This divorcing is a response to gaslighting. Religiosity 101. Makes me sick. It's thibgs like this that make me think sometimes your made up hell was a good thing, the trouble is fools pedaling this evil garbage would spontaneously combust so there would be no need for a lake of fire. luke 16...
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 0:37:15 GMT -5
Yep, that is according to the Will of God and Christ from the beginning in the garden of Eden (Matthew 19), and the teaching of the apostle Paul, wrote in I Cor. 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
We have divorce 2x2s in our fellowship but both husbands and wives can live separately but they MUST remain unmarried as long their mates are still ALIVE. They can get back together if NOT, Once one of them has died then he or she is free to marry again, the mate must be in the same faith. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. - 1 John 3:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John3:14&version=NIVA woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. - 1 Corinthians 7:39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians7:39&version=NIVOnly a ignorant fool would take and enforce Peter's word as physical death. How many lives have been wrecked from this foolishness.... I figured as much, the only thing you understood about Hellel and Shammai was the name. It was Paul who wrote it NOT Peter... You get those two verses out of context, JW/Chuck. It was great wisdom on Paul's words God gives peace to those who obey the plans and will of God on marriage order.... Men and women get themselves in trouble, headaches, grieves, sorrows, and no peace in their hearts. Just like the men in the days of Moses, because the hardness of their hearts he granted them to divorce their wives.
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 25, 2021 0:39:10 GMT -5
Yep, that is according to the Will of God and Christ from the beginning in the garden of Eden (Matthew 19), and the teaching of the apostle Paul, wrote in I Cor. 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
We have divorce 2x2s in our fellowship but both husbands and wives can live separately but they MUST remain unmarried as long their mates are still ALIVE. They can get back together if NOT, Once one of them has died then he or she is free to marry again, the mate must be in the same faith. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. - 1 John 3:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John3:14&version=NIVA woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. - 1 Corinthians 7:39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians7:39&version=NIVOnly a ignorant fool would take and enforce Peter's word as physical death. How many lives have been wrecked from this foolishness.... I figured as much, the only thing you understood about Hellel and Shammai was the name. An Atheist asks "How many lives have been ruined by this?" A Christian asks "How many souls have been saved by this?"
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 0:42:34 GMT -5
This is utter bs. Spiritual abuse dished out by unlearned fools. This divorcing is a response to gaslighting. Religiosity 101. Makes me sick. It's thibgs like this that make me think sometimes your made up hell was a good thing, the trouble is fools pedaling this evil garbage would spontaneously combust so there would be no need for a lake of fire. luke 16... Wally, convince us you are not a child or a fool that endulges the foolish idea that people should divorce("separate" for wally) their second spouse because some fool has zero idea of the unlearned death that dribbles from their mouth. Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal.Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark.The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind,but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness.Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be.Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. - James 3:1-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:1-12&version=NIV
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 0:47:11 GMT -5
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. - 1 John 3:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John3:14&version=NIVA woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. - 1 Corinthians 7:39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians7:39&version=NIVOnly a ignorant fool would take and enforce Peter's word as physical death. How many lives have been wrecked from this foolishness.... I figured as much, the only thing you understood about Hellel and Shammai was the name. It was Paul who wrote it NOT Peter... You get those two verses out of context, JW/Chuck. It was great wisdom on Paul's words God gives peace to those who obey the plans and will of God on marriage order.... Men and women get themselves in trouble, headaches, grieves, sorrows, and no peace in their hearts.
So I got the name wrong, my bad. My comment still stands. You have no idea what context means Nathan. Context to you means, "fits my agenda". Context to me means, what was happening, what were they thinking, what was their understanding, what were their concepts ect ect. Sure I get stuff wrong but You just have no idea period of biblical context.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 25, 2021 0:50:31 GMT -5
Wally you don't come across as a happy man. Anyone who does not drink, no TV, no sex, no self pleasuring, must have a dull life. I suppose TV is not a big loss, you can get it on your computer. You also have to understand that 2x2's have moved on, not complying with the silly rules made over 100 years ago. In our stupidity we fell into line. The 2x2 today is pretty much a normal person. Not hard to be friends with. With time common sense does prevail. that is something a child would think and say when they get corrected on what they do or say by an adult. There is far more to life than the things you just listed but if they are all you have you'll have to make do won't you. i'm not so sure what "moving on" exactly means to you but i suspect it really means "falling away" and it has nothing to do with 2x2's specifically it has to do with Christianity as a whole and that is not the definition of common sense. try not to drag others down with you when you go. Mar_8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? What redback said is reasonable & NOT "like something a child would think and say," In fact it is just the very opposite!
It was like an adult who realized that those boggy men under our bed trying to scare the hell out of us when we were children were just phantoms.
What I think is that maybe Redback is trying to tell you to quit being so hard on yourself! Relax a little!
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 1:08:15 GMT -5
It was Paul who wrote it NOT Peter... You get those two verses out of context, JW/Chuck. It was great wisdom on Paul's words God gives peace to those who obey the plans and will of God on marriage order.... Men and women get themselves in trouble, headaches, grieves, sorrows, and no peace in their hearts.
So I got the name wrong, my bad. My comment still stands. You have no idea what context means Nathan. Context to you means, "fits my agenda". Context to me means, what was happening, what were they thinking, what was their understanding, what were their concepts ect ect. Sure I get stuff wrong but You just have no idea period of biblical context. The Holy Spirit is here on earth to be our Teacher to reveal God's truth so we can understand it. God gives His Spirit to them that OBEY Him.
Paul wrote in I Cor. 2:10-15 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among people knows the thoughts of a person except the spirit of the person that is in him? So also the thoughts of God no one knows, except the Spirit of God. Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God. We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 1:27:57 GMT -5
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.11 The greatest among you will be your servant.12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” - Matthew 23:1-13,15-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-13,15-39&version=NIV uh oh you quoted scripture that says "hell" by Jesus no less...OOPSY!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 1:38:57 GMT -5
Wally, convince us you are not a child or a fool that endulges the foolish idea that people should divorce their second spouse because some fool has zero idea of the unlearned death that dribbles from their mouth. Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal.Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark.The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind,but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness.Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be.Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. - James 3:1-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:1-12&version=NIVbetween the two of us i appear to be the adult and you are the child throwing a little temper tantrum(your quite good at it). you just lied again(your quite good at that too)i never said divorce the 2nd spouse i said those 2 men SEPARATED from their 2nd spouses just a TAD different condition wouldn't you say? quoting irrelevant scripture to understanding the divorce and remarriage issue is being a bit of a fool. you should stop quoting scripture you are not good at it. atheist Luke 16.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 1:43:21 GMT -5
Wally, convince us you are not a child or a fool that endulges the foolish idea that people should divorce their second spouse because some fool has zero idea of the unlearned death that dribbles from their mouth. Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal.Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark.The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind,but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness.Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be.Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. - James 3:1-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:1-12&version=NIVbetween the two of us i appear to be the adult and you are the child throwing a little temper tantrum(your quite good at it). you just lied again(your quite good at that too)i never said divorce the 2nd spouse i said those 2 men SEPARATED from their 2nd spouses just a TAD different condition wouldn't you say? quoting irrelevant scripture to understanding the divorce and remarriage issue is being a bit of a fool. you should stop quoting scripture you are not good at it. atheist Luke 16. Showing your wonderful fruits of the spirit still, @wally ! How do you know what God "supposedly" told these men ? What a cop out !!
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 1:45:21 GMT -5
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.11 The greatest among you will be your servant.12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” - Matthew 23:1-13,15-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-13,15-39&version=NIV uh oh you quoted scripture that says "hell" by Jesus no less...OOPSY! Wally, JW/Chuck likes to quote verses but he doesn't fully understand what they mean.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 1:46:43 GMT -5
between the two of us i appear to be the adult and you are the child throwing a little temper tantrum(your quite good at it). you just lied again(your quite good at that too)i never said divorce the 2nd spouse i said those 2 men SEPARATED from their 2nd spouses just a TAD different condition wouldn't you say? quoting irrelevant scripture to understanding the divorce and remarriage issue is being a bit of a fool. you should stop quoting scripture you are not good at it. atheist Luke 16. Showing your wonderful fruits of the spirit still, @wally ! How do you know what God "supposedly" told these men ? What a cop out !! they "told" us what happened it was their testimony. do you really think i can read their minds? at least try to keep up with the thread...
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 1:53:54 GMT -5
Showing your wonderful fruits of the spirit still, @wally ! How do you know what God "supposedly" told these men ? What a cop out !! they "told" us what happened it was their testimony. do you really think i can read their minds? at least try to keep up with the thread... ~~ I believe those men have the respect for the workers and they want to follow and accept their understanding on the westside on that topic. The Wescoast overseers did NOT invite the Eastcoast overseers for the divorce and remarriage discussion. The Westcoast drew their own conclusion on how to handle what they felt was/is best for the kingdom on this side of the pond.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 1:54:08 GMT -5
Showing your wonderful fruits of the spirit still, @wally ! How do you know what God "supposedly" told these men ? What a cop out !! they "told" us what happened it was their testimony. do you really think i can read their minds? at least try to keep up with the thread... OMG just as I thought...of course we could all say God "spoke to me" but we all know there is no proof God said anything ! Why would someone speak about this in their testimony @wally ? To justify what they are doing, to get others to feel sorry for them ? Surely it should be something between the person and God (if they really believe God spoke to them) ? As chuck has said what a load of BS !
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 1:54:38 GMT -5
So I got the name wrong, my bad. My comment still stands. You have no idea what context means Nathan. Context to you means, "fits my agenda". Context to me means, what was happening, what were they thinking, what was their understanding, what were their concepts ect ect. Sure I get stuff wrong but You just have no idea period of biblical context. The Holy Spirit is here on earth to be our Teacher to reveal God's truth so we can understand it. God gives His Spirit to them that OBEY Him.
Paul wrote in I Cor. 2:10-15 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among people knows the thoughts of a person except the spirit of the person that is in him? So also the thoughts of God no one knows, except the Spirit of God. Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God. We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one. And that exactly what someone say's when they have no idea. I believe your bunsen burning brother drops the "Holy Spirit stop you in your tracks" bombshell when he has nothing to back up his argument either. You said you knew about Hellel and Shammai and you have just demonstrated you have no idea. Paul knew exactly they're yoke and in no way meant physical death like the ignorant teach. Go and learn something instead of endulging spiritual abuse on brothers and sisters.
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 1:58:43 GMT -5
Wally, convince us you are not a child or a fool that endulges the foolish idea that people should divorce their second spouse because some fool has zero idea of the unlearned death that dribbles from their mouth. Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal.Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark.The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind,but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness.Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be.Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. - James 3:1-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:1-12&version=NIVbetween the two of us i appear to be the adult and you are the child throwing a little temper tantrum(your quite good at it). you just lied again(your quite good at that too)i never said divorce the 2nd spouse i said those 2 men SEPARATED from their 2nd spouses just a TAD different condition wouldn't you say? quoting irrelevant scripture to understanding the divorce and remarriage issue is being a bit of a fool. you should stop quoting scripture you are not good at it. atheist Luke 16. Haha now we want to get all technical all of a sudden when it's convenient. Ill change my word's to "separate" then. It's still endulging spiritual abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 2:00:00 GMT -5
they "told" us what happened it was their testimony. do you really think i can read their minds? at least try to keep up with the thread... OMG just as I thought...of course we could all say God "spoke to me" but we all know there is no proof God said anything ! Why would someone speak about this in their testimony @wally ? To justify what they are doing, to get others to feel sorry for them ? Surely it should be something between the person and God (if they really believe God spoke to them) ? its called being an example or even giving a warning(being a watchmen) so a person doesn't get into the same mess. i should clarify it was a testimony given at a gathering not in sunday/wednesday mtg they were about 30 years apart between the two events.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 2:00:39 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit is here on earth to be our Teacher to reveal God's truth so we can understand it. God gives His Spirit to them that OBEY Him.
Paul wrote in I Cor. 2:10-15 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among people knows the thoughts of a person except the spirit of the person that is in him? So also the thoughts of God no one knows, except the Spirit of God. Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God. We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one. And that exactly what someone say's when they have no idea. I believe your bunsen burning brother drops the "Holy Spirit stop you in your tracks" bombshell when he has nothing to back up his argument either. You said you knew about Hellel and Shammai and you have just demonstrated you have no idea. Paul knew exactly they're yoke and in no way meant physical death like the ignorant teach. Go and learn something instead of endulging spiritual abuse on brothers and sisters. I have no idea what the heck you're talking about... You are in another plain, JW/Chuck.... You need to STOP reading Watchtower, and other websites in trying to increase your wisdom, they can mess up your mind big time.... and it shows.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 2:02:17 GMT -5
we have had 2 men in our region(I don't know if there are more that have tried it)AB(you probably know AB nathan he lives near you last i knew on the columbia river wa side?) and DM they both received word from God to separate from their 2nd wives until the 1st dies. for AB this actually happened. for DM the struggle is still going on. with AB children were involved. with DM i am not sure i know he and his 1st wife have kids but not sure if he did with the 2nd wife.in the last 40 years. i know of only 3 cases of allowed remarriage and to take part in my region. 2 of those cases involved having a spouse that knew nothing of the truth when they did it. how that allows them to do that and where they got their rationalization for that i have no idea cause scripture doesn't bear that out. in the other case it was 2 professing people that knew better that did it and they got the approval of a long time worker to go ahead and do it. that worker ended up getting shipped overseas and/or demoted from older worker status for doing that(rumor has it). also to my knowledge in our region there have been MANY remarried couples that are allowed to attend meeting but no baptism or taking part allowed. i can't speak for any other region or country though. although(last i knew) it has been said that BC reflects the same standards as my region. ~~ Yes, I know about the Westcoast teaching on marriage and remarriage stance.... I Know of the Westcoast remarriage and divorce stance, too! I was a worker from the Westcoast for 8 years so I know how they think.
These rules of do's and don't came from Howard M. Tharold S. Eldon T. and Ernest N. from Canada in 1970s. They TRIED to slow down the divorce and remarriage in our fellowship so they came up with not taken parts, split the families up and so on... They put these heavy burden on those who are involved and playing God.
I like the east coast stance better now...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 2:04:05 GMT -5
between the two of us i appear to be the adult and you are the child throwing a little temper tantrum(your quite good at it). you just lied again(your quite good at that too)i never said divorce the 2nd spouse i said those 2 men SEPARATED from their 2nd spouses just a TAD different condition wouldn't you say? quoting irrelevant scripture to understanding the divorce and remarriage issue is being a bit of a fool. you should stop quoting scripture you are not good at it. atheist Luke 16. Haha now we want to get all technical all of a sudden when it's convenient. Ill change my word's to "separate" then. It's still endulging spiritual abuse. in matters of marriage its not "technical" its actually 2 well defined actions one is separate the other is divorce they are not the same...you either follow the bible and God/Christ/Holy Spirits leading or you don't if you don't there will be little excuse once the consequences start....Luke 16
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2021 2:04:44 GMT -5
And that exactly what someone say's when they have no idea. I believe your bunsen burning brother drops the "Holy Spirit stop you in your tracks" bombshell when he has nothing to back up his argument either. You said you knew about Hellel and Shammai and you have just demonstrated you have no idea. Paul knew exactly they're yoke and in no way meant physical death like the ignorant teach. Go and learn something instead of endulging spiritual abuse on brothers and sisters. I have no idea what the heck you're talking about... You are in another plain, JW/Chuck.... You need to STOP reading Watchtower, and other websites in trying to increase your wisdom, they can mess up your mind big time.... and it shows.
Coming from nathan who worships Frank Stranges and every other conspiracy theorist out there !
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2021 2:13:40 GMT -5
I have no idea what the heck you're talking about... You are in another plain, JW/Chuck.... You need to STOP reading Watchtower, and other websites in trying to increase your wisdom, they can mess up your mind big time.... and it shows.
Coming from nathan who worships Frank Stranges and every other conspiracy theorist out there ! Frank Stranges is correct on many things... and many conspiracies theories are FACTUAL. You atheists will NEVER believe it and you will NOT to your dying day to Hades/Realm of the dead.
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 3:37:06 GMT -5
they "told" us what happened it was their testimony. do you really think i can read their minds? at least try to keep up with the thread... OMG just as I thought...of course we could all say God "spoke to me" but we all know there is no proof God said anything ! Why would someone speak about this in their testimony @wally ? To justify what they are doing, to get others to feel sorry for them ? Surely it should be something between the person and God (if they really believe God spoke to them) ? As chuck has said what a load of BS ! Spiritual abuse. Gaslighting. Legalism. Religosty. All B.S conducted by the Scribes and Pharisees. Nothing's Changed. When you have been indoctrinated enough your mind is so screwed up you justify all sorts of crazy sh...t. Of course god told you to leave your spouse, god(2x2ism) has been conditioning you since the day you found god(2x2ism) to take 2x2ism very seriously, even if it means leaving your spouse for some unlearned fools satisfaction and power trip. The Character of Christ lived out in your life does not divorce/separate partners spouses due to endulging legalism from the Pharisees, even if your divorced and remarried. The context around remarriage was remarrying the one you already divorced. then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord. Do not bring sin upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. - Deuteronomy 24:4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy24:4&version=NIVThe basic idea was if you tried it once and it didn't work, most likely the second go around will end the same way. And if your husband was dead/death/darkness, basically unfaithful,abusive, lazy, ect, and was not willing to keep/respect the echad you should divorce him. The concept is based on "echad", to understand marriage and divorce you need to understand echad. Now these foolish Pharisees are clueless on unity, to them unity is uniformity, two totally different things, so they will never grasp the concept of echad whilst their understanding of unity is uniformity(like us). Thats why they burn people not like them, because they're is no uniformity, or they dont look act think or speak like us so therfore they must be going to hell. Basically they are clueless on marriage and divorce in the scriptures. I may not have it all right, but im in the ball park, these fools haven't even left home and the charlatans are wrecking lives. "You cant remarry", "you should leave her" ect ect. Have you noticed how disgusted and offended they get when someone dares to show grace to people not like them. The nutjobs along with the romans that called for Christ to be killed showed that behaviour. How dare you show compassion, love, mercy ect to people we dont deem worthy, were gonna kill you. Nothing's changed apart from it's illegal to do it physically, so they do it spiritually instead.
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 3:55:21 GMT -5
And that exactly what someone say's when they have no idea. I believe your bunsen burning brother drops the "Holy Spirit stop you in your tracks" bombshell when he has nothing to back up his argument either. You said you knew about Hellel and Shammai and you have just demonstrated you have no idea. Paul knew exactly they're yoke and in no way meant physical death like the ignorant teach. Go and learn something instead of endulging spiritual abuse on brothers and sisters. I have no idea what the heck you're talking about... You are in another plain, JW/Chuck.... You need to STOP reading Watchtower, and other websites in trying to increase your wisdom, they can mess up your mind big time.... and it shows.
Nathan, when you stop getting offended with my attempts of showing compassion to people that need it, and you stop endulging in disunity, you then may have a argument that my mind is messed up. But the status quo suggests you got that mixed up.
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 5:25:49 GMT -5
Haha now we want to get all technical all of a sudden when it's convenient. Ill change my word's to "separate" then. It's still endulging spiritual abuse. in matters of marriage its not "technical" its actually 2 well defined actions one is separate the other is divorce they are not the same...you either follow the bible and God/Christ/Holy Spirits leading or you don't if you don't there will be little excuse once the consequences start....Luke 16 Look at you go, all technical and all when it suits. But when I suggest Hell is 4 different things with history and Hebrew concepts to support it, your technicality is out of sight and mind inside venus with Nathan. I agree divorced and separate are different things. Care to elaborate how these separated couples live their lives now compared to divorced couples?. What are the consequences if I don't see it like you wally?.
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 5:36:10 GMT -5
Wally, convince us you are not a child or a fool that endulges the foolish idea that people should divorce their second spouse because some fool has zero idea of the unlearned death that dribbles from their mouth. Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal.Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark.The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind,but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness.Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be.Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring?My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. - James 3:1-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James3:1-12&version=NIVbetween the two of us i appear to be the adult and you are the child throwing a little temper tantrum(your quite good at it). you just lied again(your quite good at that too)i never said divorce the 2nd spouse i said those 2 men SEPARATED from their 2nd spouses just a TAD different condition wouldn't you say? quoting irrelevant scripture to understanding the divorce and remarriage issue is being a bit of a fool. you should stop quoting scripture you are not good at it. atheist Luke 16. I would think anyone normal would be angered by the fire started from unlearned fools tongues whilst others endulge in the fools idea thats wrecking others lives.
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Post by chuck on Jan 25, 2021 6:11:40 GMT -5
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. - 1 John 3:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John3:14&version=NIVA woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord. - 1 Corinthians 7:39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians7:39&version=NIVOnly a ignorant fool would take and enforce Peter's word as physical death. How many lives have been wrecked from this foolishness.... I figured as much, the only thing you understood about Hellel and Shammai was the name. An Atheist asks "How many lives have been ruined by this?" A Christian asks "How many souls have been saved by this?" Or someone just showing the Character of Christ, which could be either, a proclaimed Atheist or proclaimed Christian.
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