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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 14:54:14 GMT -5
I think Gen 6:1-4 is the first record of heavenly sex And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. If heavenly sex is not like human to human sex, then I would like to hear more details on how Mary got pregnant. Have you ever heard of insemination? No, sexual intercourse required. That what God the Father did, He inseminated Christ's Spirit inside Mary's womb to begotten Jesus God/Man human being to die for our sins. Acording to my understanding the Venusian humans looking Guardian angels can have SEX with the humans. I believe it was the fallen angels from the human looking angels who had sex with the humans women to create the Nephilims/Giants. There are many Orders or levels of angels. Some can't have Sex but others can.
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Post by xna on Feb 9, 2021 14:54:54 GMT -5
I read "... the first attempts to artificially inseminate a woman, were done by Henry IV (1425-1474), King of Castile, nicknamed the Impotent. In 1455, he married Princess Juana, sister of Afonso V of Portugal. After six years of marriage she gave birth to a daughter, Joanna" But then you must have that "secret knowledge". BTW: What's the 2x2 position on In Vitro Fertilization? *** The Intelligence beings that God and Christ created to populate the Universe from other planets in our galaxy and other galaxies had abducted the humans women and impregnated them through different methods sexual intercourse, insemination, vitro Fertilization for centuries or longer.You sure have a lot of that "secret knowledge".
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Post by Annan on Feb 9, 2021 15:46:55 GMT -5
After the birth of Jesus the Messiah, Mary and Joseph became husband and wife and had families of their own. Am I mistaken or did waldo once say Mary never had sex ever? I could be wrong. Just curious that the tmb pope and waldo would disagree. Again, I could be wrong.
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Post by Annan on Feb 9, 2021 15:48:58 GMT -5
The Virgin Birth... What if your daughter told that story?
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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 16:29:00 GMT -5
*** The Intelligence beings that God and Christ created to populate the Universe from other planets in our galaxy and other galaxies had abducted the humans women and impregnated them through different methods sexual intercourse, insemination, vitro Fertilization for centuries or longer. You sure have a lot of that "secret knowledge". *** Yes, I have lots of secret knowlegde from reading and revelation from God and Christ.
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Post by xna on Feb 9, 2021 16:58:44 GMT -5
You sure have a lot of that "secret knowledge". *** Yes, I have lots of secret knowlegde from reading and revelation from God and Christ. That’s a sign that you are in a cult.
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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 17:17:26 GMT -5
*** Yes, I have lots of secret knowlegde from reading and revelation from God and Christ. That’s a sign that you are in a cult. ** Hey, if this Cult Christ Jesus is the HEAD! I want to be part of that good Cult. Beam me up! Scotty.
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Post by Gene on Feb 9, 2021 17:21:28 GMT -5
ummm "making" her pregnant was probably not the same process as having sex with her to get her pregnant. it would similar to accusing a male doctor of rape or adultery for physically using IVF treatments during an office vist. I think Gen 6:1-4 is the first record of heavenly sex And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. If heavenly sex is not like human to human sex, then I would like to hear more details on how Mary got pregnant. The Holy Turkey Baster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 18:19:55 GMT -5
umm fallen angels having sex is not the same as what God did with mary...good try though How do you know? 1. its says the angels took wives, God never took mary as his wife. 2. sex is carnal, God would never do a carnal thing like that he wouldn't be God if he did. 3. mary was a virgin and stayed that way until Jesus birth. matt 1 hints at this... 4. its says in luke 1 the Most High would visit her with "power" and does not say it would be "sex". 5. in todays world we have IVF which requires no sex to have a child. well if one is a believer it would not require that large of a leap to understand God created everything including the IVF process. He simply used something similar or even better to create a baby in the womb. 6. yes this one is a weaker argument, if jesus had been made by the carnal process he would not have been "perfect" therefore not our savior. 7. another weaker argument would be Parthenogenesis. problems: rarely found in mammals if at all, almost always produce females. but this just would make the Case for Christ even a bigger miracle than it already was... 8. and another weaker argument Luke was a doctor and would have said "hey wait a minute" over the virgin and conception account but he didn't... enjoy!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 18:22:50 GMT -5
After the birth of Jesus the Messiah, Mary and Joseph became husband and wife and had families of their own. Am I mistaken or did waldo once say Mary never had sex ever? I could be wrong. Just curious that the tmb pope and waldo would disagree. Again, I could be wrong. nope i said she never had sex with joseph UNTIL after Jesus birth it was st. anne that presented the perpetual virgin theory. read matt 1 for further clarification...good try though witch
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Post by xna on Feb 9, 2021 18:55:39 GMT -5
its says the angels took wives, God never took mary as his wife. 2. sex is carnal, God would never do a carnal thing like that he wouldn't be God if he did. For a god who abstains from the carnal he sure is interested in sex. The god of the bible is preoccupied with controlling sex. Sex is part of most of natures cycle of life. The bible says god made all things, so he must not have a problem with the idea of sex. The bible says, we are made in his image. I didn't read we are made in his image "except for the having sex part".
3. mary was a virgin and stayed that way until Jesus birth. matt 1 hints at this... 4. its says in luke 1 the Most High would visit her with "power" and does not say it would be "sex".
All we have is the story. This bible story is like other creator gods myths from that time. A virgin birth was a common ingredient in many religions of that day.
5. in todays world we have IVF which requires no sex to have a child. well if one is a believer it would not require that large of a leap to understand God created everything including the IVF process. He simply used something similar or even better to create a baby in the womb 1.7 Million Human Embryos Created for IVF Thrown Away. If Christians are against abortion, why would the Christian god choice IVF?
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Post by Annan on Feb 9, 2021 19:03:46 GMT -5
Am I mistaken or did waldo once say Mary never had sex ever? I could be wrong. Just curious that the tmb pope and waldo would disagree. Again, I could be wrong. nope i said she never had sex with joseph UNTIL after Jesus birth it was st. anne that presented the perpetual virgin theory. read matt 1 for further clarification...good try though witch Wasn’t trying anything Waldo dear. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. That’s why I asked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 19:11:53 GMT -5
its says the angels took wives, God never took mary as his wife. 2. sex is carnal, God would never do a carnal thing like that he wouldn't be God if he did. For a god who abstains from the carnal he sure is interested in sex. The god of the bible is preoccupied with controlling sex. Sex is part of most of natures cycle of life. The bible says god made all things, so he must not have a problem with the idea of sex. The bible says, we are made in his image. I didn't read we are made in his image "except for the having sex part".
3. mary was a virgin and stayed that way until Jesus birth. matt 1 hints at this... 4. its says in luke 1 the Most High would visit her with "power" and does not say it would be "sex".
All we have is the story. This bible story is like other creator gods myths from that time. A virgin birth was a common ingredient in many religions of that day.
5. in todays world we have IVF which requires no sex to have a child. well if one is a believer it would not require that large of a leap to understand God created everything including the IVF process. He simply used something similar or even better to create a baby in the womb 1.7 Million Human Embryos Created for IVF Thrown Away. If Christians are against abortion, why would the Christian god choice IVF?
you are dodging my point God would not engage in the carnal sex act he would not be God if he did... sex is one of the results of sin of course he wants it controlled... just because humans would do an evil thing like throw away IVF embryos doesn't mean that was Gods plan for them...
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Post by xna on Feb 9, 2021 19:36:03 GMT -5
you are dodging my point God would not engage in the carnal sex act he would not be God if he did... It sounds like you are saying the god of the Bible is all spiritual and so can not be physical, so can’t be carnal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 19:46:51 GMT -5
you are dodging my point God would not engage in the carnal sex act he would not be God if he did... It sounds like you are saying the god of the Bible is all spiritual and so can not be physical, so can’t be carnal? Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. i actually have no idea though if he has an actual material form like we are he does have a visual form though cause moses saw the back side of him in the bible.....i would guess not...
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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 19:46:52 GMT -5
you are dodging my point God would not engage in the carnal sex act he would not be God if he did... It sounds like you are saying the god of the Bible is all spiritual and so can not be physical, so can’t be carnal? ** Jesus had feelings for women, and he had many women followers and they admired and worshipped him as God. Jesus came to do His heavenly Father will and NOT for his own personal carnal pleasures. God will before his human or carnal desires.
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Post by Annan on Feb 9, 2021 19:53:31 GMT -5
God will before his human or carnal desires. Didn't work that way for you.
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Post by Annan on Feb 9, 2021 19:55:06 GMT -5
** Jesus had feelings for women, and he had many women followers and they admired and worshipped him as God. ROTFLMAO!!!
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Post by xna on Feb 9, 2021 19:59:02 GMT -5
It sounds like you are saying the god of the Bible is all spiritual and so can not be physical, so can’t be carnal? Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. i actually have no idea though if he has an actual material form like we are he does have a visual form though cause moses saw the back side of him in the bible.....i would guess not... If I recall correctly, the Bible say he appeared to several people. That fits with taking a material form.
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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 20:10:48 GMT -5
It sounds like you are saying the god of the Bible is all spiritual and so can not be physical, so can’t be carnal? Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. i actually have no idea though if he has an actual material form like we are he does have a visual form though cause moses saw the back side of him in the bible.....i would guess not... *** I believe the God that Moses saw His physical back was Christ. God/Christ came down from heaven in a physical human body in the Garden of Eden to have fellowship with Adam and Eve. Christ came down in a form of a man to wrestle Jacob. Christ came down from heaven with two of his Venusians human looking angels. Christ stayed and talked to Abraham and Sarah the birth of his son Isaac. Christ sent 2cog His Venusians human looking angels to rescue Lot and his family in Sodom and Gomorrah wicked cities about to be destroyed by God the Father fire from heaven. God the Father and Christ are the humans creators! It was Christ who came down from heaven and visiting earth throughout the Old Testament as the Savior and Protector of the children of Israel as they journey from Egypt to the promised land. In Genesis 3:15 Christ/God told Adam and Eve He would enter the world as God/Man Jesus to defeat the Serpent and to Redeem them and their children souls from Satan prison in Hades! ChristGod kept His promised and fulfilled it thtough the person Jesus 2000 yrs ago.
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Post by xna on Feb 9, 2021 20:11:18 GMT -5
[quote author=" nathan" source="/post/948171/thread" timestamp="1612918012" Jesus came to do His heavenly Father will and NOT for his own personal carnal pleasures. God will before his human or carnal desires. ———————- I’m working from my phone, and all my google searches for “god / sex / carnal thoughts / Jesus” keeps taking me to porn sites, so I’ll have to take your word and Jimmy Carter’s word on those carnal thoughts. :-)
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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 20:11:51 GMT -5
God will before his human or carnal desires. Didn't work that way for you. *** Nope, God and Christ had a better and a greater plan for me, Witch. Many on here have witnessed God greater plan for my life more than 20 yrs on TMB and else where at work! I have reached 1000s of people through my website and testimony. When I was in the work we had one or two outsiders attended our gospel meetings. We mostly preached to the choir or the 2x2s. People are stay away from us when we said we are preachers. Now at work, people asked me how do you know so much about the Bible? I told them I was a minister so, they all all kinds of Bible questions for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 20:15:47 GMT -5
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. i actually have no idea though if he has an actual material form like we are he does have a visual form though cause moses saw the back side of him in the bible.....i would guess not... If I recall correctly, the Bible say he appeared to several people. That fits with taking a material form. like i said he may have a visual form but that is probably not a material form in any sense of the word...
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Post by xna on Feb 9, 2021 20:23:28 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the Bible say he appeared to several people. That fits with taking a material form. like i said he may have a visual form but that is probably not a material form in any sense of the word... From the Bible, the heavenly angels must take a physical form. “Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”
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Post by Gene on Feb 9, 2021 20:27:49 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, the Bible say he appeared to several people. That fits with taking a material form. like i said he may have a visual form but that is probably not a material form in any sense of the word... If I were you, I don't think I'd be putting limits on what form God may wish to take at any given moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 20:28:01 GMT -5
like i said he may have a visual form but that is probably not a material form in any sense of the word... From the Bible, the heavenly angels must take a physical form. “Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.” angels are a lower order of being than God and therefore may have different spiritual and material properties that probably shouldn't be compared to God...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 20:32:32 GMT -5
like i said he may have a visual form but that is probably not a material form in any sense of the word... If I were you, I don't think I'd be putting limits on what form God may wish to take at any given moment. we can only go by what's in the bible and it really leans towards Spirit...but if you read up post i clearly say i'm not sure if he has a material form like we do...
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Post by fixit on Feb 9, 2021 21:25:04 GMT -5
like i said he may have a visual form but that is probably not a material form in any sense of the word... From the Bible, the heavenly angels must take a physical form. “Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.” True. Angel generally mean "messenger" or "agent".
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