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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 22:50:06 GMT -5
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. i actually have no idea though if he has an actual material form like we are he does have a visual form though cause moses saw the back side of him in the bible.....i would guess not... *** I believe the God that Moses saw His physical back was Christ. God/Christ came down from heaven in a physical human body in the Garden of Eden to have fellowship with Adam and Eve. Christ came down in a form of a man to wrestle Jacob. Christ came down from heaven with two of his Venusians human looking angels. Christ stayed and talked to Abraham and Sarah the birth of his son Isaac. Christ sent 2cog His Venusians human looking angels to rescue Lot and his family in Sodom and Gomorrah wicked cities about to be destroyed by God the Father fire from heaven. God the Father and Christ are the humans creators! It was Christ who came down from heaven and visiting earth throughout the Old Testament as the Savior and Protector of the children of Israel as they journey from Egypt to the promised land. In Genesis 3:15 Christ/God told Adam and Eve He would enter the world as God/Man Jesus to defeat the Serpent and to Redeem them and their children souls from Satan prison in Hades! ChristGod kept His promised and fulfilled it thtough the person Jesus 2000 yrs ago.
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Post by nathan on Feb 9, 2021 22:50:47 GMT -5
Didn't work that way for you. *** Nope, God and Christ had a better and a greater plan for me, Witch. Many on here have witnessed God greater plan for my life more than 20 yrs on TMB and else where at work! I have reached 1000s of people through my website and testimony. When I was in the work we had one or two outsiders attended our gospel meetings. We mostly preached to the choir or the 2x2s. People are stay away from us when we said we are preachers. Now at work, people asked me how do you know so much about the Bible? I told them I was a minister so, they all all kinds of Bible questions for me.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 10, 2021 1:54:48 GMT -5
For a god who abstains from the carnal he sure is interested in sex. The god of the bible is preoccupied with controlling sex. Sex is part of most of natures cycle of life. The bible says god made all things, so he must not have a problem with the idea of sex. The bible says, we are made in his image. I didn't read we are made in his image "except for the having sex part".
All we have is the story. This bible story is like other creator gods myths from that time. A virgin birth was a common ingredient in many religions of that day. 1.7 Million Human Embryos Created for IVF Thrown Away. If Christians are against abortion, why would the Christian god choice IVF?
you are dodging my point God would not engage in the carnal sex act he would not be God if he did... sex is one of the results of sin of course he wants it controlled... just because humans would do an evil thing like throw away IVF embryos doesn't mean that was Gods plan for them... @wally what do you mean by " sex is one of the results of sin, of course he wants to control it " ?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 10, 2021 2:34:56 GMT -5
you are dodging my point God would not engage in the carnal sex act he would not be God if he did... sex is one of the results of sin of course he wants it controlled... just because humans would do an evil thing like throw away IVF embryos doesn't mean that was Gods plan for them... @wally what do you mean by " sex is one of the results of sin, of course he wants to control it " ? LOL
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 10, 2021 22:57:19 GMT -5
you are dodging my point God would not engage in the carnal sex act he would not be God if he did... sex is one of the results of sin of course he wants it controlled... just because humans would do an evil thing like throw away IVF embryos doesn't mean that was Gods plan for them... @wally what do you mean by " sex is one of the results of sin, of course he wants to control it " ? Maybe you missed my post @wally ?
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 11:12:04 GMT -5
"rather than the enticing doctrines of demons" What, like your gonna live for ever..... Jonah was in the belly of the fish forever..... you can have eternal life now...... Hebraic perspective..... Goodness me.......where do you get that stuff from? Not from my posts! If you are having designs on my entertainment role.......think again! So you don't believe in Eternal Life or living for ever in some way shape or form after you die on earth?
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 11:24:30 GMT -5
I think Gen 6:1-4 is the first record of heavenly sex And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. If heavenly sex is not like human to human sex, then I would like to hear more details on how Mary got pregnant. Have you ever heard of insemination? No, sexual intercourse required. That what God the Father did, He inseminated Christ's Spirit inside Mary's womb to begotten Jesus God/Man human being to die for our sins. Acording to my understanding the Venusian humans looking Guardian angels can have SEX with the humans. I believe it was the fallen angels from the human looking angels who had sex with the humans women to create the Nephilims/Giants. There are many Orders or levels of angels. Some can't have Sex but others can. Nathan "fallen" is not a physical fall from the sky. Just like Giants are not literally Giants. Angels were just people. Strong's Number - H5303 Hebrew: נפל נפיל Transliteration: nephîyl nephil Pronunciation: {nef-eel'} nef-eel' Definition: From H5307; {properly} a {feller} that {is} a bully or tyrant: - giant. KJV Usage: giant (3x). Occurs: 3 In verses: 2
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 11:31:26 GMT -5
Good question. In Hinduism, an older religion than Christianity, celibacy is usually associated with the sadhus. With Christianity I see there is a lot of history on the clerical celibacy. I understand in the Faith Mission movement, the preachers were married. But, other older similar movements had celibate preachers. It looks to me that Irvine borrowed the celibate clergy idea from the RCC. Celibate preachers are more the exception than the rule today, and the practice is unnatural. My concern is not so much about the history but the potential for abuse and harm to children with such a scheme. It seem to be an old bad idea. Think Im getting confused here, I thought you were suggesting that it had been designed with CSA in mind?. And I'm assuming the "designed" is "celibate preachers" ?.......
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Post by xna on Feb 12, 2021 11:43:32 GMT -5
Good question. In Hinduism, an older religion than Christianity, celibacy is usually associated with the sadhus. With Christianity I see there is a lot of history on the clerical celibacy. I understand in the Faith Mission movement, the preachers were married. But, other older similar movements had celibate preachers. It looks to me that Irvine borrowed the celibate clergy idea from the RCC. Celibate preachers are more the exception than the rule today, and the practice is unnatural. My concern is not so much about the history but the potential for abuse and harm to children with such a scheme. It seem to be an old bad idea. Think Im getting confused here, I thought you were suggesting that it had been designed with CSA in mind?.
And I'm assuming the "designed" is "celibate preachers" ?.......Yes it makes me wonder if he did have CSA in mind. He would have known of the problems of CSA and celibate preachers. His design uniquely put kids at even more risk than other sects. The practice of pederasty was common in Greece during the bible days, and was not thought of as a perversion. Again it could all be by chance but it begs the question. "Child sex was Pederasty in ancient Greece was a socially acknowledged romantic relationship between an adult male (the erastes) and a younger male (the eromenos), usually in his teens. It was characteristic of the Archaic and Classical periods. The influence of pederasty on Greek culture of these periods was so pervasive that it has been called "the principal cultural model for free relationships between citizens."
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 11:59:57 GMT -5
Think Im getting confused here, I thought you were suggesting that it had been designed with CSA in mind?.
And I'm assuming the "designed" is "celibate preachers" ?....... Yes it makes me wonder if he did have CSA in mind. He would have known of the problems of CSA and celibate preachers. His design uniquely put kids at even more risk than other sects. The practice of pederasty was common in Greece during the bible days, and was not thought of as a perversion. Again it could all be by chance but it begs the question. "Child sex was Pederasty in ancient Greece was a socially acknowledged romantic relationship between an adult male (the erastes) and a younger male (the eromenos), usually in his teens. It was characteristic of the Archaic and Classical periods. The influence of pederasty on Greek culture of these periods was so pervasive that it has been called "the principal cultural model for free relationships between citizens."I don't think 99.9% set out with CSA in mind. But I agree CSA is a high percentage byproduct of Celebrate preaching. You have to understand that nothing can get in the way of one's "eternal goal in heaven". So even if they know of potential problems it can't come between them and their goal. It does not mean it's a deliberate act to endorse CSA, but it's unconsciously justified with their selfish goals of living forever. I honestly think most don't realise the pure selfishness in their eternal dream......and the destruction left in it's wake..... 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIV
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 12:39:09 GMT -5
*** I believe the God that Moses saw His physical back was Christ. God/Christ came down from heaven in a physical human body in the Garden of Eden to have fellowship with Adam and Eve. Christ came down in a form of a man to wrestle Jacob. Christ came down from heaven with two of his Venusians human looking angels. Christ stayed and talked to Abraham and Sarah the birth of his son Isaac. Christ sent 2cog His Venusians human looking angels to rescue Lot and his family in Sodom and Gomorrah wicked cities about to be destroyed by God the Father fire from heaven. God the Father and Christ are the humans creators! It was Christ who came down from heaven and visiting earth throughout the Old Testament as the Savior and Protector of the children of Israel as they journey from Egypt to the promised land. In Genesis 3:15 Christ/God told Adam and Eve He would enter the world as God/Man Jesus to defeat the Serpent and to Redeem them and their children souls from Satan prison in Hades! ChristGod kept His promised and fulfilled it thtough the person Jesus 2000 yrs ago. The backside of God is Moses looking at the past. Or he sees where God has been. Given that God is "Spirit" a ancient hebrew person would have understood it something like this....Moses saw where the influence of the thing that breathes life and brings order in the world had been in the past. No physical form or the back side of a physical Jesus was ever a thing. Just like the insemination of Mary. I don't know what it means but I know it's not literal like yall making it out to be. And I think we know who got her pregnant.......... that rascal Joseph😁
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 15:59:34 GMT -5
The backside of God is Moses looking at the past. Or he sees where God has been. Given that God is "Spirit" a ancient hebrew person would have understood it something like this....Moses saw where the influence of the thing that breathes life and brings order in the world had been in the past. No physical form or the back side of a physical Jesus was ever a thing. Just like the insemination of Mary. I don't know what it means but I know it's not literal like yall making it out to be. And I think we know who got her pregnant.......... that rascal Joseph😁 You speak like an atheist more and more every day! Read your Bible again and pray to God to give you His mind and understanding.
If Jesus was a product of Joseph and Mary then there is no Salvation for mankind. Joseph and Mary are sinners therefore Jesus is also a SINNER like us so, He can't SAVE anyone. Christ is God who came down from heaven to DIE for our Sins, He was/is God who lived in the body/person Jesus. Only God/Man Jesus blood to forgive and cleanse our sins daily. No human being, or angels in heaven can SAVE us from our sins/death.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 16:37:55 GMT -5
The backside of God is Moses looking at the past. Or he sees where God has been. Given that God is "Spirit" a ancient hebrew person would have understood it something like this....Moses saw where the influence of the thing that breathes life and brings order in the world had been in the past. No physical form or the back side of a physical Jesus was ever a thing. Just like the insemination of Mary. I don't know what it means but I know it's not literal like yall making it out to be. And I think we know who got her pregnant.......... that rascal Joseph😁 You speak like an atheist more and more every day! Read your Bible again and pray to God to give you His mind and understanding.
If Jesus was a product of Joseph and Mary then there is no Salvation for mankind. Joseph and Mary are sinners therefore Jesus is also a SINNER like us so, He can't SAVE anyone. Christ is God who came down from heaven to DIE for our Sins, He was/is God who lived in the body/person Jesus. Only God/Man Jesus blood to forgive and cleanse our sins daily. No human being, or angels in heaven can SAVE us from our sins/death.
there is no doubt in my mind what he is. christian? not a chance. 2x2? not a chance. atheist? yep...
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 16:39:59 GMT -5
If Jesus was a product of Joseph and Mary then there is no Salvation for mankind. Joseph and Mary are sinners therefore Jesus is also a SINNER like us so, He can't SAVE anyone. Christ is God who came down from heaven to DIE for our Sins, He was/is God who lived in the body/person Jesus. Only God/Man Jesus blood to forgive and cleanse our sins daily. No human being, or angels in heaven can SAVE us from our sins/death. Kinda how it is, Nate.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 12, 2021 16:48:38 GMT -5
If Jesus was a product of Joseph and Mary then there is no Salvation for mankind. Joseph and Mary are sinners therefore Jesus is also a SINNER like us so, He can't SAVE anyone. Christ is God who came down from heaven to DIE for our Sins, He was/is God who lived in the body/person Jesus. Only God/Man Jesus blood to forgive and cleanse our sins daily. No human being, or angels in heaven can SAVE us from our sins/death. Kinda how it is, Nate. The myth of eternal life is like sand castles at the sea shore.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 16:58:19 GMT -5
You speak like an atheist more and more every day! Read your Bible again and pray to God to give you His mind and understanding.
If Jesus was a product of Joseph and Mary then there is no Salvation for mankind. Joseph and Mary are sinners therefore Jesus is also a SINNER like us so, He can't SAVE anyone. Christ is God who came down from heaven to DIE for our Sins, He was/is God who lived in the body/person Jesus. Only God/Man Jesus blood to forgive and cleanse our sins daily. No human being, or angels in heaven can SAVE us from our sins/death.
there is no doubt in my mind what he is. christian? not a chance. 2x2? not a chance. atheist? yep... I believe you are correct, Wally. An atheist pretends to be a 2x2... Or could he be an ex-2x2 pretends to be a 2x2 to throw us off but now he is an atheist.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 12, 2021 17:58:06 GMT -5
there is no doubt in my mind what he is. christian? not a chance. 2x2? not a chance. atheist? yep... I believe you are correct, Wally. An atheist pretends to be a 2x2... Or could he be an ex-2x2 pretends to be a 2x2 to throw us off but now he is an atheist.
Would that be like you nathan...pretending to be a 2x2 ! We can all see your God is Frank Stranges !
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 18:13:19 GMT -5
I believe you are correct, Wally. An atheist pretends to be a 2x2... Or could he be an ex-2x2 pretends to be a 2x2 to throw us off but now he is an atheist.
Would that be like you nathan ...pretending to be a 2x2 ! We can all see your God is Frank Stranges ! hahaha... NOPE! I consider Frank Stranges is a brother in Jesus, Christ is my God and Savior. You get things mixed up in your own head.
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Post by Grant on Feb 12, 2021 20:42:16 GMT -5
Would that be like you nathan ...pretending to be a 2x2 ! We can all see your God is Frank Stranges ! hahaha... NOPE! I consider Frank Stranges is a brother in Jesus, Christ is my God and Savior. You get things mixed up in your own head.So you're non exclusive Nathan just like those you accuse down under of being.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 21:50:28 GMT -5
hahaha... NOPE! I consider Frank Stranges is a brother in Jesus, Christ is my God and Savior. You get things mixed up in your own head. So you're non exclusive Nathan just like those you accuse down under of being. Nope, I am NOT non-exclusive 2x2... NOT as the way you think... There are some people, Christians are out there I leave that between them and God and Christ. I am 100% pointing people to follow Christ is the safest way because he said so! "I am the Way, the Truth and Life NO MAN comes to the Father but through me."It's God and Christ who allow so and so into His kingdom, who am I to say, "NO, God you can't allow so and so into His kingdom."
It was the resurrected Christ who selected Saul as one of His chosen vessel, but most of the apostles had known about it, they only heard it from Ananias testimony... Barnabas, one of the Seventy believed and accepted Saul/Barnabas and Ananias were telling the TRUTH but many of the apostles had some doubts.
I have mine opinion to accept so and so my brothers and sisters in Christ, and allowing them into God's kingdom is God's choice and choosing.
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 5:49:25 GMT -5
So you're non exclusive Nathan just like those you accuse down under of being. Nope, I am NOT non-exclusive 2x2... NOT as the way you think... There are some people, Christians are out there I leave that between them and God and Christ. I am 100% pointing people to follow Christ is the safest way because he said so! "I am the Way, the Truth and Life NO MAN comes to the Father but through me."It's God and Christ who allow so and so into His kingdom, who am I to say, "NO, God you can't allow so and so into His kingdom."
It was the resurrected Christ who selected Saul as one of His chosen vessel, but most of the apostles had known about it, they only heard it from Ananias testimony... Barnabas, one of the Seventy believed and accepted Saul/Barnabas and Ananias were telling the TRUTH but many of the apostles had some doubts.
I have mine opinion to accept so and so my brothers and sisters in Christ, and allowing them into God's kingdom is God's choice and choosing.
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIV
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Post by nathan on Feb 22, 2021 9:19:12 GMT -5
Nope, I am NOT non-exclusive 2x2... NOT as the way you think... There are some people, Christians are out there I leave that between them and God and Christ. I am 100% pointing people to follow Christ is the safest way because he said so! "I am the Way, the Truth and Life NO MAN comes to the Father but through me."It's God and Christ who allow so and so into His kingdom, who am I to say, "NO, God you can't allow so and so into His kingdom."
It was the resurrected Christ who selected Saul as one of His chosen vessel, but most of the apostles had known about it, they only heard it from Ananias testimony... Barnabas, one of the Seventy believed and accepted Saul/Barnabas and Ananias were telling the TRUTH but many of the apostles had some doubts.
I have mine opinion to accept so and so my brothers and sisters in Christ, and allowing them into God's kingdom is God's choice and choosing.
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIV Yea, right... atheist, it is you who leads them to Hell, with your confusion.... there is no hell or Lake of fire so no heaven for them.
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 15:05:47 GMT -5
Yea, right... atheist, it is you who leads them to Hell, with your confusion.... there is no hell or Lake of fire so no heaven for them.
No, There is Hell, there's just no hell that you describe that we know of. The hell you describe man made up. The Hell in scripture is present and something Man creates himself. Just like those verses say. 2x2ism travels over land and sea......
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Post by nathan on Feb 22, 2021 15:44:50 GMT -5
Yea, right... atheist, it is you who leads them to Hell, with your confusion.... there is no hell or Lake of fire so no heaven for them.
No, There is Hell, there's just no hell that you describe that we know of. The hell you describe man made up. The Hell in scripture is present and something Man creates himself. Just like those verses say. 2x2ism travels over land and sea...... *** Between Your interpretation of NO Hades/Hell and Jesus Hades/Hell in Luke 16. I would rather believe in Jesus words/teachings on the grave, Hades, and eternal Lake of fire than your false interpretation of no Hell. After Death Jesus Spirit went to Hades and he set ALL of the Old Testament believers souls FREE who had been there since the days of Adam and Eve souls their souls and children souls to Satan/Serpent in the Garden of Eden/Inner earth. Garden of Eden was a paradise to Adam and Eve but it became a place of Hell after death to them and their human children souls until Jesus came and set them FREE 2000 yrs ago.
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 16:44:40 GMT -5
No, There is Hell, there's just no hell that you describe that we know of. The hell you describe man made up. The Hell in scripture is present and something Man creates himself. Just like those verses say. 2x2ism travels over land and sea...... *** Between Your interpretation of NO Hades/Hell and Jesus Hades/Hell in Luke 16. I would rather believe in Jesus words/teachings on the grave, Hades, and eternal Lake of fire than your false interpretation of no Hell. After Death Jesus Spirit went to Hades and he set ALL of the Old Testament believers souls FREE who had been there since the days of Adam and Eve souls their souls and children souls to Satan/Serpent in the Garden of Eden/Inner earth. Garden of Eden was a paradise to Adam and Eve but it became a place of Hell after death to them and their human children souls until Jesus came and set them FREE 2000 yrs ago. When you begin to understand the context it was written in you will see the image you have in your head from a literal interpretation founded in many years of religion is not true Nathan. You dont understand Jesus teachings because everything you understand is based on 2x2ism ritual and traditions. That is your Jesus, everything revolves around the traditions and rituals of 2x2ism. You are enslaved to it. Jesus is a rescuer. 2x2ism is bondage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 16:54:42 GMT -5
Yea, right... atheist, it is you who leads them to Hell, with your confusion.... there is no hell or Lake of fire so no heaven for them.
No, There is Hell, there's just no hell that you describe that we know of. The hell you describe man made up. The Hell in scripture is present and something Man creates himself. Just like those verses say. 2x2ism travels over land and sea...... Luke 16 read it, understand it, get used to it, its gonna happen...hell is waiting....
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Post by chuck on Feb 22, 2021 17:12:02 GMT -5
No, There is Hell, there's just no hell that you describe that we know of. The hell you describe man made up. The Hell in scripture is present and something Man creates himself. Just like those verses say. 2x2ism travels over land and sea...... Luke 16 read it, understand it, get used to it, its gonna happen...hell is waiting.... begin to understand the Hebraic concept of hell if you want to burn people....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:20:21 GMT -5
Luke 16 read it, understand it, get used to it, its gonna happen...hell is waiting.... begin to understand the Hebraic concept of hell if you want to burn people.... Luke 16 Jesus a hebrew/jew clarified everything, read it, understand it, get used to it, its gonna happen...hell is waiting....
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