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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 8:10:28 GMT -5
most likely when satan and his angels fell(no scripture for that though)... Oh but there is scripture, and God didn't create it, and its not a literal place like the mixed mutated one religion invented. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist...go take a nap
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 8:11:30 GMT -5
** The book of Jude, he wrote God has the fallen angels kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgent day after that to be cast into the Lake of fire. Ah Jude, another confirmation that Hell isn't what you think it is. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. - Jude 1:7 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude1:7&version=NIVHell as a present reality again. Unless you can point to were Sodom and Gomorrah are still literally burning...... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting babble on atheist
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 8:12:12 GMT -5
Don't know exactly when, but I suspect it was sometime after, "For in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" (Genesis 2:17). Hell likely became a reality with the knowledge of evil, experiencing evil, and separation from God.
God didn't create Hell, we did!..... and still do.... 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIVluke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting read it and weep atheist
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 8:13:22 GMT -5
*** God created Hades/Realm of the dead for unbelievers souls and believers souls departure after death because of SINS, a temporary dwelling place to hold all humans souls until the Judgement day. After the death of Jesus, he paid the ran some price in Full for the believers souls in Hades/inner earth, His Spirit went there after death to set them FREE from there and brought them home/heaven to be with Him and God the Father. After Satan failured rebellion War in heaven, God created Gehenna/Lake of fire for Eternity for him, 1/3 of the fallen angels, and unbelievers souls to place there for eternity. Hades/inner earth is the first death a foretaste of Gehenna/Lake of fire forever to come= is the Second death. I believe men created Gehenna, that is a undesputible fact. The Hebraic Definition of Eternal has no resemblance to your definition of Eternal. Stop ignoring this fact. There was a war inside Venus?. How did a war happen inside Lucifer/Christ/Morning Star?. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting time for a nap for you...atheist
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 3, 2021 8:38:37 GMT -5
I believe men created Gehenna, that is a undesputible fact. The Hebraic Definition of Eternal has no resemblance to your definition of Eternal. Stop ignoring this fact. There was a war inside Venus?. How did a war happen inside Lucifer/Christ/Morning Star?. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting time for a nap for you...atheist Goodness me, who is the broken record now !
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2021 10:22:57 GMT -5
** The book of Jude, he wrote God has the fallen angels kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgent day after that to be cast into the Lake of fire. Ah Jude, another confirmation that Hell isn't what you think it is. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. - Jude 1:7 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude1:7&version=NIVHell as a present reality again. Unless you can point to were Sodom and Gomorrah are still literally burning...... You still don't understand Hell/Hades and Gehenna, Chuck. READ and study Luke 16 the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.
The people whom God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah souls are STILL stay/waiting in Hades/Inner earth realm of the dead prison like the Rich man stayed in LUKE 16. At the end when God and Christ start to judge ALL unbelievers, these Sodom and Gomorrah souls will stand before God and they will be sentenced the Second Death AFTER the Final Judgement DAY, that is to cast into the Lake of fire for ETERNITY. Hades and Lake of fire are REALITY of life. That was why Jesus said to Nicodemus and mankind, "Ye MUST be Born again to ENTER the kingdom of God/Heaven."
When a person is born again that is to accept Jesus Christ as their God and Savior/Redeemer he/she will escape the Second Death or the Lake of fire.
Rev 20:12-15 And I/John saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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Post by mountain on Feb 3, 2021 12:13:15 GMT -5
Ah Jude, another confirmation that Hell isn't what you think it is. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. - Jude 1:7 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude1:7&version=NIVHell as a present reality again. Unless you can point to were Sodom and Gomorrah are still literally burning...... You still don't understand Hell/Hades and Gehenna, Chuck. READ and study Luke 16 the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.
The people whom God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah souls are STILL stay/waiting in Hades/Inner earth realm of the dead prison like the Rich man stayed in LUKE 16. At the end when God and Christ start to judge ALL unbelievers, these Sodom and Gomorrah souls will stand before God and they will be sentenced the Second Death AFTER the Final Judgement DAY, that is to cast into the Lake of fire for ETERNITY. Hades and Lake of fire are REALITY of life. That was why Jesus said to Nicodemus and mankind, "Ye MUST be Born again to ENTER the kingdom of God/Heaven."
When a person is born again that is to accept Jesus Christ as their God and Savior/Redeemer he/she will escape the Second Death or the Lake of fire.
Rev 20:12-15 And I/John saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Nathan, Chuck is from Down Under, i.e. Oz. That's okay, coz I like Oz. Remember too, he's one of us (he eats rice!). What I'm leading up to saying is that Wallington has rightly cited Luke 16 for support. A pretty graphic description it is too, though perhaps too concise for the sceptic? There are many other passages which point to hell, or at least infer it strongly. Once he's had a beer or two, Chuck will be okay.....'Yeah Mate. If you've been to the Outback in the 40s, ya been ta hell.' It takes time, sometimes a bit of time.
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Post by nathan on Feb 3, 2021 14:42:43 GMT -5
You still don't understand Hell/Hades and Gehenna, Chuck. READ and study Luke 16 the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.
The people whom God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah souls are STILL stay/waiting in Hades/Inner earth realm of the dead prison like the Rich man stayed in LUKE 16. At the end when God and Christ start to judge ALL unbelievers, these Sodom and Gomorrah souls will stand before God and they will be sentenced the Second Death AFTER the Final Judgement DAY, that is to cast into the Lake of fire for ETERNITY. Hades and Lake of fire are REALITY of life. That was why Jesus said to Nicodemus and mankind, "Ye MUST be Born again to ENTER the kingdom of God/Heaven."
When a person is born again that is to accept Jesus Christ as their God and Savior/Redeemer he/she will escape the Second Death or the Lake of fire.
Rev 20:12-15 And I/John saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Nathan, Chuck is from Down Under, i.e. Oz. That's okay, coz I like Oz. Remember too, he's one of us (he eats rice!). What I'm leading up to saying is that Wallington has rightly cited Luke 16 for support. A pretty graphic description it is too, though perhaps too concise for the sceptic? There are many other passages which point to hell, or at least infer it strongly. Once he's had a beer or two, Chuck will be okay.....'Yeah Mate. If you've been to the Outback in the 40s, ya been ta hell.' It takes time, sometimes a bit of time. ** Well, buddy you tried your best to enlighten him about hell/Hades, the lake of fire and heaven/paradise but to no avail. He read too many JW website anti-hell information and it mess up his mind. He believes he is in hell right now! For many unbelievers people this life is beginning of hell and it will continue after death and it will get worse AFTER the Judgment day.
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 1:32:43 GMT -5
Nathan, Chuck is from Down Under, i.e. Oz. That's okay, coz I like Oz. Remember too, he's one of us (he eats rice!). What I'm leading up to saying is that Wallington has rightly cited Luke 16 for support. A pretty graphic description it is too, though perhaps too concise for the sceptic? There are many other passages which point to hell, or at least infer it strongly. Once he's had a beer or two, Chuck will be okay.....'Yeah Mate. If you've been to the Outback in the 40s, ya been ta hell.' It takes time, sometimes a bit of time. ** Well, buddy you tried your best to enlighten him about hell/Hades, the lake of fire and heaven/paradise but to no avail. He read too many JW website anti-hell information and it mess up his mind. He believes he is in hell right now! For many unbelievers people this life is beginning of hell and it will continue after death and it will get worse AFTER the Judgment day. FWIW I don't actively seek out JW websites, have I ever linked one? I honestly don't know if I have or haven't. As usual Nathan for you it's all about your Tribe and things that agree with your tribe. Guess what, Christ came to abolish that line of thinking. Nothing wrong with your tribe until you cross the line and deem everyone unclean that's not of your tribe. Every tribe tongue and race Nathan. Not just your tribe. I don't think Im in Hell, were did you get that idea from?. All you all are doing is repeating what I already knew about Hell, I understand were you are coming from because I have been there. You do not understand where I am coming from because you have not been here. You continually ignore so many things.
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Post by nathan on Feb 4, 2021 1:39:03 GMT -5
** Well, buddy you tried your best to enlighten him about hell/Hades, the lake of fire and heaven/paradise but to no avail. He read too many JW website anti-hell information and it mess up his mind. He believes he is in hell right now! For many unbelievers people this life is beginning of hell and it will continue after death and it will get worse AFTER the Judgment day. FWIW I don't actively seek out JW websites, have I ever linked one? I honestly don't know if I have or haven't. As usual Nathan for you it's all about your Tribe and things that agree with your tribe. Guess what, Christ came to abolish that line of thinking. Nothing wrong with your tribe until you cross the line and deem everyone unclean that's not of your tribe. Every tribe tongue and race Nathan. Not just your tribe. I don't think I'm in Hell, were did you get that idea from?. All you all are doing is repeating what I already knew about Hell, I understand were you are coming from because I have been there. You do not understand where I am coming from because you have not been here. You continually ignore so many things. You sound like you are in HELL already! by reading your posts, you are so confuse you don't know where hell/hades, Gehenna or heaven is READ, study and meditate Luke 16 the answer from God will come to you. The Tribe of Jesus Christ and His apostles and people of the New Testament Church! Do you read any other tribe of Jesus New Testament Church by the end of the 1st century?
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 2:24:30 GMT -5
Ah Jude, another confirmation that Hell isn't what you think it is. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. - Jude 1:7 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude1:7&version=NIVHell as a present reality again. Unless you can point to were Sodom and Gomorrah are still literally burning...... You still don't understand Hell/Hades and Gehenna, Chuck. READ and study Luke 16 the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.
The people whom God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah souls are STILL stay/waiting in Hades/Inner earth realm of the dead prison like the Rich man stayed in LUKE 16. At the end when Go and Christ start to judge ALL unbelievers, these Sodom and Gomorrah souls will stand before God and they will be sentenced the Second Death AFTER the Final Judgement DAY, that is to cast into the Lake of fire for ETERNITY. Hades and Lake of fire are REALITY of life. That was why Jesus said to Nicodemus and mankind, "Ye MUST be Born again to ENTER the kingdom of God/Heaven."
When a person is born again that is to accept Jesus Christ as their God and Savior/Redeemer he/she will escape the Second Death or the Lake of fire.
Rev 20:12-15 And I/John saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
But Nathan, the lake of fire/Gehenna is a parkland today, the fire has gone out..... And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not waiting......they are already a example, so Im not sure how you can say they are waiting in someplace you see in your mind......unless it was just describing present reality and there really is not literal place like you think Luke 16 describes. Where is the smoke rising from the eternal fire at Sodom and Gomorrah? So you've just explained a western white mans perspective steeped in Roman Catholicism. Now explain it from a Hebraic perspective coupled with Roman rule......
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 2:27:30 GMT -5
I believe men created Gehenna, that is a undesputible fact. The Hebraic Definition of Eternal has no resemblance to your definition of Eternal. Stop ignoring this fact. There was a war inside Venus?. How did a war happen inside Lucifer/Christ/Morning Star?. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting time for a nap for you...atheist Have you ever read about spiritual abuse wally.... "Hell is waiting" would fit into that category.
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 2:28:15 GMT -5
God didn't create Hell, we did!..... and still do.... 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIVluke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting read it and weep atheist Explain it from a Hebraic perspective.....
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Post by nathan on Feb 4, 2021 2:33:56 GMT -5
You still don't understand Hell/Hades and Gehenna, Chuck. READ and study Luke 16 the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.
The people whom God destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah souls are STILL stay/waiting in Hades/Inner earth realm of the dead prison like the Rich man stayed in LUKE 16. At the end when Go and Christ start to judge ALL unbelievers, these Sodom and Gomorrah souls will stand before God and they will be sentenced the Second Death AFTER the Final Judgement DAY, that is to cast into the Lake of fire for ETERNITY. Hades and Lake of fire are REALITY of life. That was why Jesus said to Nicodemus and mankind, "Ye MUST be Born again to ENTER the kingdom of God/Heaven."
When a person is born again that is to accept Jesus Christ as their God and Savior/Redeemer he/she will escape the Second Death or the Lake of fire.
Rev 20:12-15 And I/John saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
But Nathan, the lake of fire/Gehenna is a parkland today, the fire has gone out..... And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not waiting......they are already a example, so Im not sure how you can say they are waiting in someplace you see in your mind......unless it was just describing present reality and there really is not literal place like you think Luke 16 describes. Where is the smoke rising from the eternal fire at Sodom and Gomorrah? So you've just explained a western white mans perspective steeped in Roman Catholicism. Now explain it from a Hebraic perspective coupled with Roman rule...... That is NOT Gehenna God and Christ are talking about! No unbeliever soul, Satan and the fallen angels have cast into The eternal Lake of fire, yet! That will take place AFTER the Final Judgement DAY! the Second Eternal death. This is God and Christ's words which are in the New Testament gospels, and the book of Revelation, they are NOT mine words or the RCC teaching.
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 2:35:32 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting time for a nap for you...atheist Goodness me, who is the broken record now ! It's the only way to avoid..... "If I don't see it like you will I burn?" Or obvious things like Gehenna is a parkland today..... Or you can still visit the Gates of Hell today, guided tour and all......
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 2:47:35 GMT -5
But Nathan, the lake of fire/Gehenna is a parkland today, the fire has gone out..... And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not waiting......they are already a example, so Im not sure how you can say they are waiting in someplace you see in your mind......unless it was just describing present reality and there really is not literal place like you think Luke 16 describes. Where is the smoke rising from the eternal fire at Sodom and Gomorrah? So you've just explained a western white mans perspective steeped in Roman Catholicism. Now explain it from a Hebraic perspective coupled with Roman rule...... That is NOT Gehenna God and Christ are talking about! No unbeliever soul, Satan and the fallen angels have cast into The eternal Lake of fire, yet! That will take place AFTER the Final Judgement DAY! the Second Eternal death. This is God and Christ's words which are in the New Testament gospels, and the book of Revelation, they are NOT mine words or the RCC teaching.
Nathan that is exactly the "Gehenna" Christ the Jewish Rabbai talked about, and everyone that was listening to him knew exactly were that Gehenna was. And today that same place has no fire, and is a parkland. Explain Eternal from a Hebraic perspective......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 2:56:00 GMT -5
luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting read it and weep atheist Explain it from a Hebraic perspective..... Jesus was a hebrew/jew he told it from his "hebraic perspective" there would be no better source. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting read it and weep atheist
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 2:57:17 GMT -5
Goodness me, who is the broken record now ! It's the only way to avoid..... "If I don't see it like you will I burn?" Or obvious things like Gehenna is a parkland today..... Or you can still visit the Gates of Hell today, guided tour and all...... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 4, 2021 3:06:16 GMT -5
It's the only way to avoid..... "If I don't see it like you will I burn?" Or obvious things like Gehenna is a parkland today..... Or you can still visit the Gates of Hell today, guided tour and all...... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist The needle is stuck @wally ! Talk about a broken record !
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 3:13:53 GMT -5
Explain it from a Hebraic perspective..... Jesus was a hebrew/jew he told it from his "hebraic perspective" there would be no better source. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting read it and weep atheist Well explain it from a Hebraic perspective then, so far you have basically repeated things born out of Roman Catholicism.
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 3:16:04 GMT -5
It's the only way to avoid..... "If I don't see it like you will I burn?" Or obvious things like Gehenna is a parkland today..... Or you can still visit the Gates of Hell today, guided tour and all...... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist So you just told me hell was waiting because....
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 4, 2021 3:17:25 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist So you just told me hell was waiting because.... Unless you believe what @wally does you will be going to hell chuck !!
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 3:21:06 GMT -5
So you just told me hell was waiting because.... Unless you believe what @wally does you will be going to hell chuck !! I would suggest that way of thinking is Hell!. 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. - Matthew 23:15 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:15&version=NIV
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 3:23:14 GMT -5
Jesus was a hebrew/jew he told it from his "hebraic perspective" there would be no better source. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting read it and weep atheist Well explain it from a Hebraic perspective then, so far you have basically repeated things born out of Roman Catholicism. read Luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it it was written long before the RCC was ever a thought in anyones mind...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 3:23:51 GMT -5
So you just told me hell was waiting because.... Unless you believe what @wally does you will be going to hell chuck !! i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 3:24:53 GMT -5
i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist So you just told me hell was waiting because.... i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn"... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist
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Post by chuck on Feb 4, 2021 3:38:55 GMT -5
Well explain it from a Hebraic perspective then, so far you have basically repeated things born out of Roman Catholicism. read Luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it it was written long before the RCC was ever a thought in anyones mind... Exactly, Just like your broken record, it was not a thing......
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Post by Dan on Feb 4, 2021 3:54:08 GMT -5
But Nathan, the lake of fire/Gehenna is a parkland today, the fire has gone out..... And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not waiting......they are already a example, so Im not sure how you can say they are waiting in someplace you see in your mind......unless it was just describing present reality and there really is not literal place like you think Luke 16 describes. Where is the smoke rising from the eternal fire at Sodom and Gomorrah? So you've just explained a western white mans perspective steeped in Roman Catholicism. Now explain it from a Hebraic perspective coupled with Roman rule......
The physical description of Gehenna (Sodom & Gomorrah) is literal, but a connotation of a spiritual reality. The analogy was to use a physical place to illustrate the destruction of the spirit.
Satan's demise; "I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth" (Ezekiel 28:18)
Smoke figuratively represents permanent destruction; "But the wicked will perish; And the enemies of the Lord will be like the glory of the pastures, They vanish—like smoke they vanish away" (Psalm 37:20).
"It will not be quenched night or day; Its smoke will go up forever. From generation to generation it will be desolate; None will pass through it forever and ever" (Isaiah 34:10)
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