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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 5:00:19 GMT -5
Ask yourself how Jews get buried in fish's bellies, im am not the one saying this... "Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place" I would however like to know how the lake of fire got in there though.... it seems though I've stumped you with another unanswerable question..... are you feeling ok wally... "Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place" <<< i'm not seeing the lake of fire being included here, not sure but you might need glasses or English lessons? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist Ask your buddy Nathan to brush up your knowledge on the lake of fire, it stars with G.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 5:15:25 GMT -5
"Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place" <<< i'm not seeing the lake of fire being included here, not sure but you might need glasses or English lessons? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist Ask your buddy Nathan to brush up your knowledge on the lake of fire, it stars with G. its to my understanding that gehenna is just another term for hell. this place agrees: www.gotquestions.org/Gehenna.html
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Post by Annan on Jan 26, 2021 6:43:49 GMT -5
You must tell your source... or you are plagiarize! As a writer with many anti-2x2 books, you should KNOW these no, no thing.
[ˈplājəˌrīz] VERB take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own. Were you sued for your plagiarism, Nathan?
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 13:07:14 GMT -5
You must tell your source... or you are plagiarize! As a writer with many anti-2x2 books, you should KNOW these no, no thing.
[ˈplājəˌrīz] VERB take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own. Were you sued for your plagiarism, Nathan? *** Nope, it wasnt done intentionally.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 13:10:35 GMT -5
Were you sued for your plagiarism, Nathan? *** Nope, it wasnt done intentionally. You posted my writing a few days ago without putting my name to it. Did you do it intentionally? Is that what you call plagiarism on your part?
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Post by Annan on Jan 26, 2021 13:57:59 GMT -5
*** Nope, it wasnt done intentionally. You posted my writing a few days ago without putting my name to it. Did you do it intentionally? Is that what you call plagiarism on your part? *** Nope. It wasn't done intentionally.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 14:36:25 GMT -5
You posted my writing a few days ago without putting my name to it. Did you do it intentionally? Is that what you call plagiarism on your part? *** Nope. It wasn't done intentionally. ** Neither was I.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 15:32:41 GMT -5
Ask your buddy Nathan to brush up your knowledge on the lake of fire, it stars with G. its to my understanding that gehenna is just another term for hell. this place agrees: www.gotquestions.org/Gehenna.htmlRight, so how did it get in the belly of the fish?. It never left the valley of Hinnom.... You stated earlier on in this thread that Hell/Sheol/Hades/Gehenna were all the same place.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 16:14:08 GMT -5
Ask your buddy Nathan to brush up your knowledge on the lake of fire, it stars with G. its to my understanding that gehenna is just another term for hell. this place agrees: www.gotquestions.org/Gehenna.htmlThis is my understanding... Hell/Hades is a temporary dwelling place for unbelievers souls or the realm of the dead Luke 16 the rich man/unbeliever. Hades is a temporary place pains/regret a foretaste of the worse to come Gehenna the Lake of fire for eternity after judgment day for all of unbelievers, Satan and the fallen angels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 17:27:26 GMT -5
Right, so how did it get in the belly of the fish?. It never left the valley of Hinnom.... You stated earlier on in this thread that Hell/Sheol/Hades/Gehenna were all the same place. so how did sheol get into the belly of the fish? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 18:14:42 GMT -5
Right, so how did it get in the belly of the fish?. It never left the valley of Hinnom.... You stated earlier on in this thread that Hell/Sheol/Hades/Gehenna were all the same place. so how did sheol get into the belly of the fish? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist Who said I think the fish is literally a physical fish?.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 18:57:32 GMT -5
This is my understanding... Hell/Hades is a temporary dwelling place for unbelievers souls or the realm of the dead Luke 16 the rich man/unbeliever. Hades is a temporary place pains/regret a foretaste of the worse to come Gehenna the Lake of fire for eternity after judgment day for all of unbelievers, Satan and the fallen angels. Wally disagrees, he says they're all the same place. You are ignoring lots of things in this statement. Eternity is not like you think. Christ did not have your vision, image or version of hell, it was not a concept at his time. Gehenna was a place on earth with fires that burned constantly because it was a rubbish dump and a poor mans burial site, and they added sulphur to mask the smell of rotting flesh and rubbish. It also had a history of fire and sacrificed children with Moloch. At no time when people were warned of their stinky lives that would end up like death did they have in mind your view of a eternal torture chamber with God watching over them. Couple that with your man made doctrine of Lucifer is Satan fallen from venus and Christ lives in venus but venus is Lucifer. It's a bold call to say I'm the one with a screwed up view derived from all the denominations you looneys can never settle on.....
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2021 19:22:36 GMT -5
This is my understanding... Hell/Hades is a temporary dwelling place for unbelievers souls or the realm of the dead Luke 16 the rich man/unbeliever. Hades is a temporary place pains/regret a foretaste of the worse to come Gehenna the Lake of fire for eternity after judgment day for all of unbelievers, Satan and the fallen angels. Wally disagrees, he says they're all the same place. You are ignoring lots of things in this statement. Eternity is not like you think. Christ did not have your vision, image or version of hell, it was not a concept at his time. Gehenna was a place on earth with fires that burned constantly because it was a rubbish dump and a poor mans burial site, and they added sulphur to mask the smell of rotting flesh and rubbish. It also had a history of fire and sacrificed children with Moloch. At no time when people were warned of their stinky lives that would end up like death did they have in mind your view of a eternal torture chamber with God watching over them. Couple that with your man made doctrine of Lucifer is Satan fallen from venus and Christ lives in venus but venus is Lucifer. It's a bold call to say I'm the one with a screwed up view derived from all the denominations you looneys can never settle on..... I will let you keep your JW website information anti-Hades/hell and Gehenna Lake of fire for eternity... A few (Openingacts34, Ram, Wally, myself and others) on here tried to show you Eternal torture from the words of God but you keep on believing the JW doctrine/no eternal Gehenna/Lake of fire.
Your mind is so messed up, it's a waste of my time, Chuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 19:31:08 GMT -5
so how did sheol get into the belly of the fish? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist Who said I think the fish is literally a physical fish?. then why would you ask why anything(pick your favorite label of hell) got into its belly? word games are not your friend atheist... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2021 20:11:24 GMT -5
You posted my writing a few days ago without putting my name to it. Did you do it intentionally? Is that what you call plagiarism on your part? *** Nope. It wasn't done intentionally. The people Nathan plagiarizes don't read any of his stuff. He's preaching to a different audience here.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 20:22:08 GMT -5
Wally disagrees, he says they're all the same place. You are ignoring lots of things in this statement. Eternity is not like you think. Christ did not have your vision, image or version of hell, it was not a concept at his time. Gehenna was a place on earth with fires that burned constantly because it was a rubbish dump and a poor mans burial site, and they added sulphur to mask the smell of rotting flesh and rubbish. It also had a history of fire and sacrificed children with Moloch. At no time when people were warned of their stinky lives that would end up like death did they have in mind your view of a eternal torture chamber with God watching over them. Couple that with your man made doctrine of Lucifer is Satan fallen from venus and Christ lives in venus but venus is Lucifer. It's a bold call to say I'm the one with a screwed up view derived from all the denominations you looneys can never settle on..... I will let you keep your JW website information anti-Hades/hell and Gehenna Lake of fire for eternity... A few (Openingacts34, Ram, Wally, myself and others) on here tried to show you Eternal torture from the words of God but you keep on believing the JW doctrine/no eternal Gehenna/Lake of fire.
Your mind is so messed up, it's a waste of my time, Chuck.
Likewise. Oh I believe in eternal Gehenna/Lake of fire as you put it. But for all the sound mostly non arguable reasons I stated above, I do not see it as a Loving God in the sky eternally torturing people who do not see it like you by way of a cooked up doctrine born out of man wanting control and have power over man they deem lesser. This is getting the better of me, I'm going to have to go and look at official JW doctrine, maybe it's as cooked as 2x2ism.
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 21:03:50 GMT -5
Who said I think the fish is literally a physical fish?. then why would you ask why anything(pick your favorite label of hell) got into its belly? word games are not your friend atheist... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though Jonah 2:1-2 [1]Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, [2]And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. How did Gehenna get in the fish?.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 23:06:35 GMT -5
then why would you ask why anything(pick your favorite label of hell) got into its belly? word games are not your friend atheist... luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though Jonah 2:1-2 [1]Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, [2]And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. How did Gehenna get in the fish?. so how did sheol get into the belly of the fish? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist
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Post by chuck on Jan 26, 2021 23:21:20 GMT -5
Jonah 2:1-2 [1]Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, [2]And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. How did Gehenna get in the fish?. so how did sheol get into the belly of the fish? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist It didnt. But your dilemma is it is, its right there written in the bible, in the belly of the fish was hell. And jonah was there forever. How so if it was only 3 days?. I thought Gehenna burnt you up anyway?. So how did he last 3 days forever in a eternal lake of fire that hell was thrown into. Wow what a tongue twister. Bit like Lucifer living inside Jesus and falling from himself......🤔.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 23:49:29 GMT -5
so how did sheol get into the belly of the fish? luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna or any other label you wish to use were all the same place, same result... hell is waiting good try though atheist It didnt. But your dilemma is it is, its right there written in the bible, in the belly of the fish was hell. And jonah was there forever. How so if it was only 3 days?. I thought Gehenna burnt you up anyway?. So how did he last 3 days forever in a eternal lake of fire that hell was thrown into. Wow what a tongue twister. Bit like Lucifer living inside Jesus and falling from himself......🤔. so now in your incoherent babblings you are even backing off the word sheol? i've never said Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna was the same as the lake of fire or even the same location. if you don't understand the 3 day concept by now you'll never understand it although the Holy Spirit can work miracles. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist
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Post by Dan on Jan 27, 2021 0:57:58 GMT -5
Sheol is the grave or pit, its the fate of everyone man & beast (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20). Gehenna is hell/Hades, separated by a wide gulf from paradise (Luke 16:26).
I believe Hell is where Jesus preached to the lost souls from way back to the beginning (1 Peter 3:19). All the previous OT people dead to sin were offered salvation as he came, "To preach deliverance to the captives" (Luke 4:18). Paradise is where the crucified malefactor was promised he'd go.
The torment of hell isn't being burned alive, but a strong and barely controllable emotion, a burning anxiety caused by knowing that your fate is a lost eternity. Jonah described his experience as being in hell for 3 days, probably thinking he was doomed.
Hell is not the Lake of Fire, nor is it purgatory (Catholicism), hell is the waiting room for judgement & the Lake of Fire.
Everyone goes to the grave, but the destination of their spirit immediately goes to hell/Hades or paradise. As Solomon put it, when the silver cord breaks, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7)... That's how I understand it all.
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Post by chuck on Jan 28, 2021 22:20:37 GMT -5
Sheol is the grave or pit, its the fate of everyone man & beast (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20). Gehenna is hell/Hades, separated by a wide gulf from paradise (Luke 16:26).
I believe Hell is where Jesus preached to the lost souls from way back to the beginning (1 Peter 3:19). All the previous OT people dead to sin were offered salvation as he came, "To preach deliverance to the captives" (Luke 4:18). Paradise is where the crucified malefactor was promised he'd go.
The torment of hell isn't being burned alive, but a strong and barely controllable emotion, a burning anxiety caused by knowing that your fate is a lost eternity. Jonah described his experience as being in hell for 3 days, probably thinking he was doomed.
Hell is not the Lake of Fire, nor is it purgatory (Catholicism), hell is the waiting room for judgement & the Lake of Fire.
Everyone goes to the grave, but the destination of their spirit immediately goes to hell/Hades or paradise. As Solomon put it, when the silver cord breaks, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7)... That's how I understand it all.
Who created hell?.
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Post by chuck on Jan 28, 2021 22:25:32 GMT -5
It didnt. But your dilemma is it is, its right there written in the bible, in the belly of the fish was hell. And jonah was there forever. How so if it was only 3 days?. I thought Gehenna burnt you up anyway?. So how did he last 3 days forever in a eternal lake of fire that hell was thrown into. Wow what a tongue twister. Bit like Lucifer living inside Jesus and falling from himself......🤔. so now in your incoherent babblings you are even backing off the word sheol? i've never said Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna was the same as the lake of fire or even the same location. if you don't understand the 3 day concept by now you'll never understand it although the Holy Spirit can work miracles. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist There incoherent because I use your/Nathan's explanation for things and funnily enough, as you just pointed out, there incoherent, they dont go together. They only fit it you separate them and keep them separated and then leap from one thing to other. Im unsure by what you mean "backing of the word sheol"?. It said forever and 3 days. 3 days is forever?. You agreed with Nathan and his Ghenna is the lake of fire opinion, do you not agree now?.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 22:45:20 GMT -5
so now in your incoherent babblings you are even backing off the word sheol? i've never said Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna was the same as the lake of fire or even the same location. if you don't understand the 3 day concept by now you'll never understand it although the Holy Spirit can work miracles. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist There incoherent because I use your/Nathan's explanation for things and funnily enough, as you just pointed out, there incoherent, they dont go together. They only fit it you separate them and keep them separated and then leap from one thing to other. Im unsure by what you mean "backing of the word sheol"?. It said forever and 3 days. 3 days is forever?. You agreed with Nathan and his Ghenna is the lake of fire opinion, do you not agree now?. i never agreed that gehenna is the lake of fire in fact i posted my understanding of it link included...its hard with a "like" to show what part of a post you like or if its all of the post...if you know of a way to use "like" to show what part of a post you like i'd be happy to hear it... if "sheol" is the word used in jonah it was in the belly of the fish, you just in your previous post denied that it was. this can only mean you no longer think "sheol" was used or you are having a serious cognitive dissonance moment that is leading you to babble incoherently. if its the latter that is happening to you i do understand though that is what happens when you have no good grounding in the word of God. your suppose to be a concept expert right? i suggest you look up what those 3 days in jonah mean. i doubt that will help but it might be worth a try. luke 16 Christ clarified everything about it read it, get use to it, understand it its gonna happen. Hell/the grave/Sheol/Hades/gehenna were all the same place, same result...hell is waiting good try though atheist
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2021 23:50:11 GMT -5
Sheol is the grave or pit, its the fate of everyone man & beast (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20). Gehenna is hell/Hades, separated by a wide gulf from paradise (Luke 16:26).
I believe Hell is where Jesus preached to the lost souls from way back to the beginning (1 Peter 3:19). All the previous OT people dead to sin were offered salvation as he came, "To preach deliverance to the captives" (Luke 4:18). Paradise is where the crucified malefactor was promised he'd go.
The torment of hell isn't being burned alive, but a strong and barely controllable emotion, a burning anxiety caused by knowing that your fate is a lost eternity. Jonah described his experience as being in hell for 3 days, probably thinking he was doomed.
Hell is not the Lake of Fire, nor is it purgatory (Catholicism), hell is the waiting room for judgement & the Lake of Fire.
Everyone goes to the grave, but the destination of their spirit immediately goes to hell/Hades or paradise. As Solomon put it, when the silver cord breaks, "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7)... That's how I understand it all.
Who created hell?.
God created everything but sin... Hell may have a physical location in the universe, or it may be in an entirely different spiritual dimension. I tend to think of hell as more of an adjective than a noun. Paradise is a pleasant dream, hell is a nightmare. If you know that your condemned to die, you'll experience hell no matter where you are... jmo
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Post by mountain on Jan 29, 2021 6:51:43 GMT -5
God created everything but sin... Hell may have a physical location in the universe, or it may be in an entirely different spiritual dimension. I tend to think of hell as more of an adjective than a noun. Paradise is a pleasant dream, hell is a nightmare. If you know that your condemned to die, you'll experience hell no matter where you are... jmo
Is hell not the same things as marriage?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 29, 2021 16:22:46 GMT -5
What I find interesting about this subject: Who's Doctrine..... is that none of you seem to realize that all the time debating ancient beliefs have little if any at all to do with the problems we face today.
Makes one wonder if it is a kind of "escape" mechanism to keep from having to to deal with today's problems.
After all, that takes hard work instead of just debating.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 29, 2021 17:19:01 GMT -5
God created everything but sin... Hell may have a physical location in the universe, or it may be in an entirely different spiritual dimension. I tend to think of hell as more of an adjective than a noun. Paradise is a pleasant dream, hell is a nightmare. If you know that your condemned to die, you'll experience hell no matter where you are... jmo
Is hell not the same things as marriage? May depend on which denomination one marries into.
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