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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 3, 2021 2:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 3, 2021 2:22:05 GMT -5
My point is lost on you. Not sure you tried at all, so I won't say, 'nice try'. Wally is a Christian nationalist -- they can't abide humanism, so they combine it with atheistic to maintain their piety. What piety?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 3, 2021 2:24:09 GMT -5
That's Wally's type for you.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 3, 2021 2:25:33 GMT -5
Wally is a Christian nationalist -- they can't abide humanism, so they combine it with atheistic to maintain their piety. What piety? That's "fake piety".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 2:45:08 GMT -5
That's Wally's type for you. we get it you hate white folks, tell us something new curlytroll...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 3, 2021 3:07:08 GMT -5
That's Wally's type for you. we get it you hate white folks, tell us something new curlytroll... What kind of white folks, Wally? ??
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 3, 2021 3:07:52 GMT -5
The thing is, Wally has his definition of Humanism, and as far as he is concerned, it applies to all time, all people, everywhere in the world, and in every circumstance. Which is why thinking people have to ignore attitudes like his. Meanings change with time, and also with use. It is a quiet Sunday afternoon here at the beach , and nothing nicer than a Bombolini with a Rum on the Rocks, or a Baileys, and a surf while enjoying our wonderful creation. I hope you are also grateful for that whopping great meteor that took out the Dinosaurs, which then allowed us lovely warm blooded types to wander about this planet. Absolutely, although there seems to still be a Wallysaurus and a Nathanasaurus that got missed
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Post by nathan on Jan 5, 2021 17:35:16 GMT -5
I hope you are also grateful for that whopping great meteor that took out the Dinosaurs, which then allowed us lovely warm blooded types to wander about this planet. Absolutely, although there seems to still be a Wallysaurus and a Nathanasaurus that got missed Hahaha... We hid underground tunnels in Australia and NZ, you and your buddies didn't know that did you?
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Post by xna on Jan 13, 2021 20:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 22:37:30 GMT -5
that is a very simplistic summary and inaccurate view of Christianity. i can't speak that much for islam(nor would i want to) but they would probably say the same.
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2021 23:26:32 GMT -5
Well no doubt poor 'old Thomas' spins in his grave when he hears some of your posts, wally! i'll bet dimes to donuts he's more occupied with his location now then anything i have to say... "Not like me" 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2021 23:32:43 GMT -5
What a load of rubbish Wally. If it isn't Bud that is doing it, you are spending too much time with the Fairies. An Atheist does not believe in God; a Secular Humanist need not necessarily be non-believer in God. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in God; Secular Humanism is a Worldview, and a way of life. An Atheist would reject the idea of God; a Secular Humanist believes God is not necessary to be moral. atheistic humanism no matter how you try and dress it up, camouflage it or use any other term to describe/disguise it its still atheistic. you can smear all the lipstick you want on a pig at the end of the day its still a pig. it might appear though in your last words that you may be finally admitting it or coming to terms with it atheistic humanism "believes God is not necessary to be moral" or "Good without God". its really nothing a human should ever be involved with and certainly not a Christian worth their salt. equating God and belief in his word with fairies says more about you than me...if we are being honest curious though do you normally feel the desire to physically expose yourself to others when you are found to be wrong? You see wally, Christ tried to show, the moral good "is" God. Religion shows God as something or someone else that wafts pixie dust down onto people from above to be moral and good. Two totally different things, the latter is why people reject Christ because nutjobs are dogmatic about the magic. The magic is in the moral good. That is salvation, That is living eternal life. "Less about me, more about thee", there is no room in that for "people not like me" 🔥🔥🔥 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” - Luke 5:32 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke5:32&version=NIVRighteousness = generosity. So Christ has not come to call the generous, but to call those who say "see it like me or 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥" to change their direction, its leading to a life like Gehenna.
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Post by xna on Jan 13, 2021 23:35:59 GMT -5
that is a very simplistic summary and inaccurate view of Christianity. i can't speak that much for islam(nor would i want to) but they would probably say the same. Could be a better fit for a Christian denomination that leans more towards “saved by grace” vs “saved by works” salvation. Many “ saved by grace” think the works part has already been done. Nothing you can do to save yourself. Humanists think the hands that do, do more than the hands that pray.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 23:55:14 GMT -5
Right time to try Humanism. From an article by Humanists for Biden-Harris.
The humanist community, like all others, is diverse. However, many of us share a number of goals: We support church/state separation; we respect science and listen to scientists; we want religious freedom for all Americans rather than only for a privileged few; we want a society committed to equity; and we want public policy that is rooted in facts and evidence. Beyond that, because we believe this is the only life we are guaranteed, we stand for racial, social, environmental, and economic justice for all Americans, now. There is no room for bigotry of any kind in this country. These are all values that the Biden-Harris campaign stands for as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 0:05:39 GMT -5
atheistic humanism no matter how you try and dress it up, camouflage it or use any other term to describe/disguise it its still atheistic. you can smear all the lipstick you want on a pig at the end of the day its still a pig. it might appear though in your last words that you may be finally admitting it or coming to terms with it atheistic humanism "believes God is not necessary to be moral" or "Good without God". its really nothing a human should ever be involved with and certainly not a Christian worth their salt. equating God and belief in his word with fairies says more about you than me...if we are being honest curious though do you normally feel the desire to physically expose yourself to others when you are found to be wrong? You see wally, Christ tried to show, the moral good "is" God. Religion shows God as something or someone else that wafts pixie dust down onto people from above to be moral and good. Two totally different things, the latter is why people reject Christ because nutjobs are dogmatic about the magic. The magic is in the moral good. That is salvation, That is living eternal life. "Less about me, more about thee", there is no room in that for "people not like me" 🔥🔥🔥 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” - Luke 5:32 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke5:32&version=NIVRighteousness = generosity. So Christ has not come to call the generous, but to call those who say "see it like me or 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥" to change their direction, its leading to a life like Gehenna. despite your lengthy babble that doesn't change what atheistic humanism is...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 0:07:44 GMT -5
Right time to try Humanism. From an article by Humanists for Biden-Harris. The humanist community, like all others, is diverse. However, many of us share a number of goals: We support church/state separation; we respect science and listen to scientists; we want religious freedom for all Americans rather than only for a privileged few; we want a society committed to equity; and we want public policy that is rooted in facts and evidence. Beyond that, because we believe this is the only life we are guaranteed, we stand for racial, social, environmental, and economic justice for all Americans, now. There is no room for bigotry of any kind in this country. These are all values that the Biden-Harris campaign stands for as well. and so like clockwork we slide right down crap mountain into atheistic humanism...good luck everyone its gonna be a rough ride...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 14, 2021 0:11:06 GMT -5
Right time to try Humanism. From an article by Humanists for Biden-Harris. The humanist community, like all others, is diverse. However, many of us share a number of goals: We support church/state separation; we respect science and listen to scientists; we want religious freedom for all Americans rather than only for a privileged few; we want a society committed to equity; and we want public policy that is rooted in facts and evidence. Beyond that, because we believe this is the only life we are guaranteed, we stand for racial, social, environmental, and economic justice for all Americans, now. There is no room for bigotry of any kind in this country. These are all values that the Biden-Harris campaign stands for as well. and so like clockwork we slide right down crap mountain into atheistic humanism...good luck everyone its gonna be a rough ride... But your god is in control isn't he? So what are you so concerned about @wally ? Or is your faith starting to decline ?
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Post by chuck on Jan 14, 2021 0:25:26 GMT -5
You see wally, Christ tried to show, the moral good "is" God. Religion shows God as something or someone else that wafts pixie dust down onto people from above to be moral and good. Two totally different things, the latter is why people reject Christ because nutjobs are dogmatic about the magic. The magic is in the moral good. That is salvation, That is living eternal life. "Less about me, more about thee", there is no room in that for "people not like me" 🔥🔥🔥 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” - Luke 5:32 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke5:32&version=NIVRighteousness = generosity. So Christ has not come to call the generous, but to call those who say "see it like me or 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥" to change their direction, its leading to a life like Gehenna. despite your lengthy babble that doesn't change what atheistic humanism is... Basically you have a problem with Grace being applied to people you think dont deserve it. Jonah had a problem with showing Grace to the syrians. He ran away because he hated them. The thought of them receiving grace was.... But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry.He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord , when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.Now, Lord, take away my life, for it is better for me to die than to live.”But the Lord replied, “Is it right for you to be angry?”Jonah had gone out and sat down at a place east of the city. There he made himself a shelter, sat in its shade and waited to see what would happen to the city.Then the Lord God provided a leafy plant and made it grow up over Jonah to give shade for his head to ease his discomfort, and Jonah was very happy about the plant.But at dawn the next day God provided a worm, which chewed the plant so that it withered.When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, “It would be better for me to die than to live.”But God said to Jonah, “Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?” “It is,” he said. “And I’m so angry I wish I were dead.”But the Lord said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight.And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?” - Jonah 4:1-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah4:1-11&version=NIVWhat is so offensive with the idea of "Atheists" showing grace to others vs "Christians" showing grace to others. The "Atheist" showing grace to others is.. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVJust because they refuse to worship your idols(who can blame them) does not mean they have rejected Christ, the Character of Christ can be shown in anyone...... no religiosity required. The Pharisees are the perfect example of being offended with grace applied to people they didn't like. Your not a pharisee are you wally...... your not a Jonah are you wally....
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Post by xna on Jan 14, 2021 0:26:05 GMT -5
Quite similar to the simplistic "gems" from convention or anywhere else. . A little bit of truth, in a statement, and then the rest becomes quite believable, to fit our particular prejudice. MANY MANY MANY life saving and helpful discoveries for humanity that we benefit from in so many ways and take so for granted were done by HANDS of Christians, MUslims, Jews, humanists, theists , atheists , etc etc etc people of every stripe, and to portray any group of humanity as NOT being contributors is ignorant, at best. Alvin The discoveries were made in spite of their religion not because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 0:32:21 GMT -5
and so like clockwork we slide right down crap mountain into atheistic humanism...good luck everyone its gonna be a rough ride... But your god is in control isn't he? So what are you so concerned about @wally ? Or is your faith starting to decline ? just because your faith failed doesn't mean anyone else did or will...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 14, 2021 0:37:20 GMT -5
But your god is in control isn't he? So what are you so concerned about @wally ? Or is your faith starting to decline ? just because your faith failed doesn't mean anyone else did or will... Well what are you so concerned about @wally? I am sure your god doesn't need any imput from you surely .....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 0:38:09 GMT -5
despite your lengthy babble that doesn't change what atheistic humanism is... Basically you have a problem with Grace being applied to people you think dont deserve it. Jonah had a problem with showing Grace to the syrians. He ran away because he hated them. The thought of them receiving grace was.... But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry.He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord , when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.Now, Lord, take away my life, for it is better for me to die than to live.”But the Lord replied, “Is it right for you to be angry?”Jonah had gone out and sat down at a place east of the city. There he made himself a shelter, sat in its shade and waited to see what would happen to the city.Then the Lord God provided a leafy plant and made it grow up over Jonah to give shade for his head to ease his discomfort, and Jonah was very happy about the plant.But at dawn the next day God provided a worm, which chewed the plant so that it withered.When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, “It would be better for me to die than to live.”But God said to Jonah, “Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?” “It is,” he said. “And I’m so angry I wish I were dead.”But the Lord said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight.And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?” - Jonah 4:1-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah4:1-11&version=NIVWhat is so offensive with the idea of "Atheists" showing grace to others vs "Christians" showing grace to others. The "Atheist" showing grace to others is.. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVJust because they refuse to worship your idols(who can blame them) does not mean they have rejected Christ, the Character of Christ can be shown in anyone...... no religiosity required. The Pharisees are the perfect example of being offended with grace applied to people they didn't like. Your not a pharisee are you wally...... your not a Jonah are you wally.... i never said that atheist. there is however a right way and a wrong way to do things. the ends(grace)do not justify the means(atheistic humanism).. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 <<< you are gonna have problems here atheistic humanism does not recognize God nor does it do anything on his behalf...so no they don't know him...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 0:38:49 GMT -5
just because your faith failed doesn't mean anyone else did or will... Well what are you so concerned about @wally ? I am sure your god doesn't need any imput from you surely ..... that is what prayer is for...how quickly we forget...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 14, 2021 0:42:18 GMT -5
Well what are you so concerned about @wally ? I am sure your god doesn't need any imput from you surely ..... that is what prayer is for...how quickly we forget... Well I think you need to spend more time praying @wally, because from the "fruit" you are bearing its clearly not getting through.
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Post by chuck on Jan 14, 2021 0:59:11 GMT -5
Basically you have a problem with Grace being applied to people you think dont deserve it. Jonah had a problem with showing Grace to the syrians. He ran away because he hated them. The thought of them receiving grace was.... But to Jonah this seemed very wrong, and he became angry.He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord , when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.Now, Lord, take away my life, for it is better for me to die than to live.”But the Lord replied, “Is it right for you to be angry?”Jonah had gone out and sat down at a place east of the city. There he made himself a shelter, sat in its shade and waited to see what would happen to the city.Then the Lord God provided a leafy plant and made it grow up over Jonah to give shade for his head to ease his discomfort, and Jonah was very happy about the plant.But at dawn the next day God provided a worm, which chewed the plant so that it withered.When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah’s head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, “It would be better for me to die than to live.”But God said to Jonah, “Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?” “It is,” he said. “And I’m so angry I wish I were dead.”But the Lord said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight.And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?” - Jonah 4:1-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah4:1-11&version=NIVWhat is so offensive with the idea of "Atheists" showing grace to others vs "Christians" showing grace to others. The "Atheist" showing grace to others is.. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah22:16&version=NIVJust because they refuse to worship your idols(who can blame them) does not mean they have rejected Christ, the Character of Christ can be shown in anyone...... no religiosity required. The Pharisees are the perfect example of being offended with grace applied to people they didn't like. Your not a pharisee are you wally...... your not a Jonah are you wally.... i never said that atheist. there is however a right way and a wrong way to do things. the ends(grace)do not justify the means(atheistic humanism).. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 <<< you are gonna have problems here atheistic humanism does not recognize God nor does it do anything on his behalf...so no they don't know him... Atheism doesn't recognise your God(yourself, 2x2ism, missions ect), or a religions God. It does recognise defending the cause of the poor and the needy, that is knowing God. It just doesn't have Pagan name applied to it and does not require religiosity or the imagery painted by religion of what God is. I would suggest they are closer to God than you..... I never knew you.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 1:07:24 GMT -5
i never said that atheist. there is however a right way and a wrong way to do things. the ends(grace)do not justify the means(atheistic humanism).. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?” declares the Lord. - Jeremiah 22:16 <<< you are gonna have problems here atheistic humanism does not recognize God nor does it do anything on his behalf...so no they don't know him... I have not followed threads very well, so forgive my ignorance, but why would a Christian not consider themself a humanist, also. Surely, they could say AMEN to much of the humanist Declaration? SAD would be the day, when atheists and theist could not work together for humanism , because of the belief or lack of belief in God. Thankfully, the theists and atheists , I know personally would support humanism, and work together for that cause, in spite of vast difference of beliefs. What am I missing? Have we become so bigoted we can't even come together to work for the good of humanity together, and just retreat into our own prejudiced groups, pointing fingers at each other? We can do better than that and thankfully MANY great men and women of the past have risen above that for the sake of humanity. Thank you for that heritage, that we benefit from . Alvin Alvin atheistic humanism(good without God) did not come along until LONG LONG after Chrisianity and Christ. there is NOTHING in atheistic humanism that wasn't already covered by what Christ left us with in Christianity to be sure atheistic humanism was MEANT to replace Christ and his teachings...i repeat the ends(grace) to not justify the means(atheistic humanism)...
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Post by chuck on Jan 14, 2021 1:15:19 GMT -5
The sad thing is, religion has portrayed the returning of Christ as a physical thing, If Christianity realised the Character of Christ has already returned, they wouldn't have to wait to be nice..... I see the Character of Christ lived out in people every week, he has risen, he is alive and well. You wont see him if you think with a religious frame work, why else did the religious seek a sign!.... show us a sign!...... they never really got it back then, just like today religion is the blind leading the blind.... the signs are right before your bleeding eyes if you remove your religious goggles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 1:18:05 GMT -5
atheistic humanism(good without God) did not come along until LONG LONG after Chrisianity and Christ. there is NOTHING in atheistic humanism that wasn't already covered by what Christ left us with in Christianity to be sure atheistic humanism was MEANT to replace Christ and his teachings...i repeat the ends(grace) to not justify the means(atheistic humanism)... Ok, if you differentiate ATHEISTIC humanism, from humanism, I don't qualify to "profess" in that "religion", BUT is it also a REQUIREMENT to be an atheist to be a humanist? Is that a technicallity somehow, that one is disqualified from being a humanist , and a believer in God. Would I be kicked out of that group? Alvin Alvin there is only one version of humanism and its atheistic good news though its sweeping the world and many "Christians" are falling for it...
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