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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2020 18:53:57 GMT -5
Waiting...waiting.....zzzzzzzzz. *** There 1 evidence for you! Curly I will look for more workers in the early who were RCC. I will post their names for you guys. SO just please say nothing about it until you find proof of another. By now you've exhausted all chance of finding another one from anyone on this board.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 20, 2020 18:54:47 GMT -5
Waiting...waiting.....zzzzzzzzz. Go shoot a Tahr while you're waiting. Yeah, get ahead of DOC and Eugenie Sage while you can! (Another ideological Fruit-Loop)
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 19:13:41 GMT -5
*** There 1 evidence for you! Curly I will look for more workers in the early who were RCC. I will post their names for you guys. SO just please say nothing about it until you find proof of another. By now you've exhausted all chance of finding another one from anyone on this board. *** I have NOT began my search on early days workers sermons site, yet... Sometimes they mention their testimonies of which church/domination they came out of in their sermons at conventions.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 20, 2020 19:34:18 GMT -5
Go shoot a Tahr while you're waiting. Yeah, get ahead of DOC and Eugenie Sage while you can! (Another ideological Fruit-Loop) The Tahr control plan was formulated in 1993. National were in govt. 10000 animals was set as the maximum population. I have not read any science which supports an allowable greater number than this. I have seen substantial browzing damage to native vegetation by these animals. DOC is charged with protecting native eco systems including the vegetation. That is their mandate. Tahr being an introduced species have little protection. The current population is around 35000. In some side creeks which are inaccessible to the average lard arse hunter I have counted over 300 animals. The damage has to be seen. Tussock and plants such as ranunclui eaten to the roots. That is why I only shoot nannies. Lots of them. As for fruitloops, please donr tell me you vote for the crowd who have a chinese communist spy teacher as a member of parliament. Or Mr Falloon, the guy that got his phone stuck in his undies and then accidently sent the photos to several women. Or michelle Boag who does not know what the term patient confidentiality means. I could go on Prag, but I better go kill som ething instead.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 20, 2020 19:36:26 GMT -5
SO just please say nothing about it until you find proof of another. By now you've exhausted all chance of finding another one from anyone on this board. *** I have NOT began my search on early days workers sermons site, yet... Sometimes they mention their testimonies of which church/domination they came out of in their sermons at conventions. So until then nathan you have no proof. So stop posting things as if YOU KNOW ! Remember you are a "newcomer" to the 2x2s and any history that is recorded has been done by someone else...NOT YOU. You are quick to criticize Cherie, but you use her research when it suits YOU. Maybe instead of going on about Stranges you should spend your time writing your OWN book !!
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 20, 2020 19:57:13 GMT -5
Yeah, get ahead of DOC and Eugenie Sage while you can! (Another ideological Fruit-Loop) The Tahr control plan was formulated in 1993. National were in govt. 10000 animals was set as the maximum population. I have not read any science which supports an allowable greater number than this. I have seen substantial browzing damage to native vegetation by these animals. DOC is charged with protecting native eco systems including the vegetation. That is their mandate. Tahr being an introduced species have little protection. The current population is around 35000. In some side creeks which are inaccessible to the average lard arse hunter I have counted over 300 animals. The damage has to be seen. Tussock and plants such as ranunclui eaten to the roots. That is why I only shoot nannies. Lots of them. As for fruitloops, please donr tell me you vote for the crowd who have a chinese communist spy teacher as a member of parliament. Or Mr Falloon, the guy that got his phone stuck in his undies and then accidently sent the photos to several women. Or michelle Boag who does not know what the term patient confidentiality means. I could go on Prag, but I better go kill som ething instead. I only support a cull so that there's enough left for Game Hunters. Sage wants not only the eradication of Tahr, but also any introduced species including Trout.
Nah, I'm a Maori Party member, although I have some reservations about the direction of the new leadership. I am against seabed mining, but the forced closure of the offshore oilfields within five years, as announced by Debbie, is something I am against. We need our Gas so that we don't become dependent on other countries for our energy, when we have reserves of our own. Alternative sources are great, but it will take 30 years or more to get them to where we need.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 20, 2020 19:59:04 GMT -5
Waiting...waiting.....zzzzzzzzz. *** There 1 evidence sister worker Browne for you! Curly, I will look for more workers in the early who were RCC. I will post their names for you guys. Don't! Let them alone!
Don't go tarnishing them with your crap! You know nothing about how to do accurate research!
Don't go trying to mess with their memories! Dammit, Nathan! -Let them rest in peace.
Find yourself another hobby!
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Post by intelchips on Jul 20, 2020 20:02:47 GMT -5
in response to Olea, who started this thread:
Somewhere between 9th and 12th grade at any parochial school in the USA any boy or girl may learn that research on the New Testament canon has shown that it developed over a fairly long period of time, that its development proceeded in different ways in the various regions of the Roman Empire, and that it did not represent a document defining the unity of Christianity but rather collected the writings in which the early church found the contents of Christian faith to be expressed.
It is also clear that the concept of a “canon” can only contribute in a limited fashion to illuminating the process in question, inasmuch as it was first applied to the acknowledged writings in the fourth century, whereas before that time it described the standards of Christian faith and teaching.
For example, it could characterize repentance as the basis for the Christian way of life, serve as a summary description of the fundamentals of faith laid down in the New Testament writings, or be applied to service in the community or to the correct date of Easter.
The essential content of the Christian creed could also be summarized in this concept, even in the first and second centuries, when a fixed creedal text or the connection between creed and baptism cannot yet be assumed. Later, conciliar decrees were also called “canons,” because they established binding rules for the form of the Christian faith. This understanding of the expression as a summary of the bases of Christian belief appears in other, more defined phrases such as “canon of faith”, “canon of truth” and “canon of the church” The case of “apocryphon” and “apocrypha” is different insofar as we find these terms as early as the second century in the titles of works or as designation of certain writings. The words refer to special, secret revelations accessible only to a few chosen ones. For ancient church authors like Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Origen, in contrast, the expression “apocryphal” has a negative meaning and is equated with “rejected” or “counterfeit”. From this in turn developed the contrast between “canonical” and “apocryphal” writings.
Against the background of this understanding of “canon,” the Council of Laodicea (circa 363) distinguished between the “non-canonized books” and the “canonical books of the new and old covenant”. Similarly, not long afterward, in his thirty-ninth Easter Letter of 367, Athanasius differentiated the “canonized writings that have been handed down and attested as divine” from the “so-called apocrypha”.
It follows from this that the distinction between acknowledged and rejected writings needs to be seen within the context of the developments through which early Christianity secured its own identity. There is thus a dialectical relationship between the developing norms of Christian faith and the collecting of authoritative writings, to the extent that these norms are founded on the testimony of writings regarded as binding and are considered to be in substantial agreement with them, while the norms in turn affirm and support these writings. Thus the early church was not simply founded on a collection of authoritative writings; rather, the collection was created in close association with the apostolic tradition, which was regarded as foundational.
And in light of all this established fact nowhere is it written that Jesus lives on or in Venus.
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Post by fixit on Jul 20, 2020 20:19:14 GMT -5
And in light of all this established fact nowhere is it written that Jesus lives on or in Venus. Does that make Nathan a trailblazer?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 20, 2020 20:57:09 GMT -5
And in light of all this established fact nowhere is it written that Jesus lives on or in Venus. Does that make Nathan a trailblazer? God help us (pun intended)
Let' hope not!
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 21:14:06 GMT -5
And in light of all this established fact nowhere is it written that Jesus lives on or in Venus. Does that make Nathan a trailblazer? No, I am NOT the first... It was Valiant and Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus first, the U.S. Presidents since 1940s, Frank Stranges, who shared the information Jesus LIVES INSIDE Venus planet.... I just put these things together Jesus LIVES inside Venus planet with the Venusians holy angels of God and the Old and New Testament believers.
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Post by fixit on Jul 20, 2020 22:27:45 GMT -5
Does that make Nathan a trailblazer? No, I am NOT the first... It was Valiant and Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus first, the U.S. Presidents since 1940s, Frank Stranges, who shared the information Jesus LIVES INSIDE Venus planet.... I just put these things together Jesus LIVES inside Venus planet with the Venusians holy angels of God and the Old and New Testament believers.You could go live in Jerusalem and preach your gospel there.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 20, 2020 22:38:04 GMT -5
No, I am NOT the first... It was Valiant and Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus first, the U.S. Presidents since 1940s, Frank Stranges, who shared the information Jesus LIVES INSIDE Venus planet.... I just put these things together Jesus LIVES inside Venus planet with the Venusians holy angels of God and the Old and New Testament believers. You could go live in Jerusalem and preach your gospel there. Is there a Venusalem?
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 22:43:58 GMT -5
No, I am NOT the first... It was Valiant and Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus first, the U.S. Presidents since 1940s, Frank Stranges, who shared the information Jesus LIVES INSIDE Venus planet.... I just put these things together Jesus LIVES inside Venus planet with the Venusians holy angels of God and the Old and New Testament believers. You could go live in Jerusalem and preach your gospel there. No, the world is God's harvest field.
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 22:47:03 GMT -5
You could go live in Jerusalem and preach your gospel there. Is there a Venusalem? You three.... Prag, fixit and chuck non-exclusive 2x2 should go there.... bring RT, Curly, Olea with you... You six make a good team of Down under exes and 2x2 non-exclusive. What a team would that be.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 20, 2020 22:59:02 GMT -5
No, I am NOT the first... It was Valiant and Donn Thor from Interior planet of Venus first, the U.S. Presidents since 1940s, Frank Stranges, who shared the information Jesus LIVES INSIDE Venus planet.... I just put these things together Jesus LIVES inside Venus planet with the Venusians holy angels of God and the Old and New Testament believers. You could go live in Jerusalem and preach your gospel there. He would get stoned. Oh wait......
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Post by fixit on Jul 20, 2020 23:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jul 21, 2020 0:11:09 GMT -5
haha... I don't get stoned NEVER have and NEVER will be.... I get high once in while with Root Beer.
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Post by joanna on Jul 21, 2020 0:49:47 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee. Humans continue to cause far greater, devastating, widespread environmental damage than all other animal species combined. Yet we are an inherently arrogant and violent species who avoids accepting this fact. Even whilst being 'held hostage' by the most recent zoonoses, COVID 19, which emanated from the exploitation and cruelty towards other animals, humans will continue to act as if we have the right to exploit, slaughter and consume. Humans are just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed...Our species is forcing one million species into extinction. For the sake of our own species, we need to acknowledge that those human behaviours which harm other animals are harming us and will undermine our ability to survive on this planet. We urgently need to learn co-exist with other life-forms, instead of behaving as if our primate species has the right to continue plundering and killing. Our cruel treatment led to coronavirus
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 21, 2020 2:31:32 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee . Humans continue to cause far greater, devastating, widespread environmental damage than all other animal species combined. Yet we are an inherently arrogant and violent species who avoids accepting this fact. Even whilst being 'held hostage' by the most recent zoonoses, COVID 19, which emanated from the exploitation and cruelty towards other animals, humans will continue to act as if we have the right to exploit, slaughter and consume. Humans are just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed...Our species is forcing one million species into extinction. For the sake of our own species, we need to acknowledge that those human behaviours which harm other animals are harming us and will undermine our ability to survive on this planet. We urgently need to learn co-exist with other life-forms, instead of behaving as if our primate species has the right to continue plundering and killing. Our cruel treatment led to coronavirus Tahr are not indigenous to NZ. Their current population levels in a fragile alpine environment are destroying that environment. many hunters want to see an increase in numbers as they do not realize the damage to the flora these animals cause. I am for reducing the numbers to a sustainable level. To do that it is necessary to kill the females. I also like eating them. Very yummy.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 21, 2020 3:27:04 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee . Humans continue to cause far greater, devastating, widespread environmental damage than all other animal species combined. Yet we are an inherently arrogant and violent species who avoids accepting this fact. Even whilst being 'held hostage' by the most recent zoonoses, COVID 19, which emanated from the exploitation and cruelty towards other animals, humans will continue to act as if we have the right to exploit, slaughter and consume. Humans are just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed...Our species is forcing one million species into extinction. For the sake of our own species, we need to acknowledge that those human behaviours which harm other animals are harming us and will undermine our ability to survive on this planet. We urgently need to learn co-exist with other life-forms, instead of behaving as if our primate species has the right to continue plundering and killing. Our cruel treatment led to coronavirus There is some truth in what you say, but at a high or global level. And I believe that wet markets should be shut down, but how do you that when it has been the culture for centuries in certain parts of the world? However, what you say does not negate the issues at a local level, in our country, where introduced species like Tahr, Wallaby, Possums and Rabbits decimate our native flora, and fauna, and compete for their food sources.
If it wasn't for predator control, we would have no Takahe, no Kiwi, no Kakapo, and the Tahr destroy tussock which doesn't help erosion issues. Deer, goat and pigs getting into our National Parks has also been a major problem.
Curly understands the issue because he is very close to it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2020 3:50:04 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee . Humans continue to cause far greater, devastating, widespread environmental damage than all other animal species combined. Yet we are an inherently arrogant and violent species who avoids accepting this fact. Even whilst being 'held hostage' by the most recent zoonoses, COVID 19, which emanated from the exploitation and cruelty towards other animals, humans will continue to act as if we have the right to exploit, slaughter and consume. Humans are just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed...Our species is forcing one million species into extinction. For the sake of our own species, we need to acknowledge that those human behaviours which harm other animals are harming us and will undermine our ability to survive on this planet. We urgently need to learn co-exist with other life-forms, instead of behaving as if our primate species has the right to continue plundering and killing. Our cruel treatment led to coronavirus I agree.
I grew up on a farm and love a pork chop as well as anyone, but we ourselves simply cannot survive if we don't change our ways.
My daughter created a spreadsheet to show how much water it takes to produce what we eat.
Beef take the most amount of water.
Water is life to us and those drilling for water tell us they have to keep drilling deeper & deeper to get to our underground water tables.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 21, 2020 3:53:22 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee . Humans continue to cause far greater, devastating, widespread environmental damage than all other animal species combined. Yet we are an inherently arrogant and violent species who avoids accepting this fact. Even whilst being 'held hostage' by the most recent zoonoses, COVID 19, which emanated from the exploitation and cruelty towards other animals, humans will continue to act as if we have the right to exploit, slaughter and consume. Humans are just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed...Our species is forcing one million species into extinction. For the sake of our own species, we need to acknowledge that those human behaviours which harm other animals are harming us and will undermine our ability to survive on this planet. We urgently need to learn co-exist with other life-forms, instead of behaving as if our primate species has the right to continue plundering and killing. Our cruel treatment led to coronavirus I agree.
I grew up on a farm and love a pork chop as well as anyone, but we ourselves simply cannot survive if we don't change our ways.
My daughter created a spreadsheet to show how much water it takes to produce what we eat.
Beef take the most amount of water.
Water is life to us and those drilling for water tell us they have to keep drilling deeper & deeper to get to our underground water tables.
What happens when they drill into the hollow earth? The resident lunartic(s) will drown when all that water goes down the plug hole.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2020 4:04:41 GMT -5
I agree.
I grew up on a farm and love a pork chop as well as anyone, but we ourselves simply cannot survive if we don't change our ways.
My daughter created a spreadsheet to show how much water it takes to produce what we eat.
Beef take the most amount of water.
Water is life to us and those drilling for water tell us they have to keep drilling deeper & deeper to get to our underground water tables.
What happens when they drill into the hollow earth? The resident lunatic(s) will drown when all that water goes down the plug hole. Oh my god!
I forgot all about THAT!
We are really going to be in trouble then!
Now I am going to have nightmares tonight!
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Post by joanna on Jul 21, 2020 19:46:59 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee and Pragmatic Neanderthal humans killed to survive. In the 21st century science has the means to control populations using compassionate strategies. Other sentient beings experience fear, pain and grief. There are humans who do not bond, or have as loving relationships with their own kind, as many non-human animals. We know that elephants mourn, , goats are as intelligent and loving as dogs that sheep have best friends, are playful and smarter than we thought chickens are sensitive and smartkangaroos bond and grieveand the list could be extended to include all other "sentient" beings /non-human animals. Yet humans continue to treat other animals as if they are possessions or pests. If the environment is a genuine concern, then it makes no sense to ignore the impact of Dairy Farming in NZ. If the identification of "introduced species" is deemed a permit to kill, then the cow is also an introduced species. Humans are the only mammal who weans their young, then continue to drink the milk of another mammal. Dairy consumption is a disaster for the environment and it is also a serious health risk. Have a read of this article (there are others) to learn of those health risks 6 Reasons You Should Avoid Dairy At All CostsDairy milk is meant for calves. But breeding these animals and then taking their offspring when only a few hours old is wrong on every level. Male calves are treated as waste products and killed in their thousands. The cruelty caused by dairy is beyond shocking. There has been far more clearing of New Zealand land for grazing dairy cows by humans than the damage caused by tahr or other wild animals. I agree their populations should be controlled but by using compassionate methods that respect these beings for what they are. They are sensitive, intelligent (not that intelligence must ever be a criteria for kindness vs cruelty) and they feel emotions just like us (or some of us When you kill a female (or any) tahr, there will be others who will be left grieving. To tie this topic into the TMB theme: religiosity encourages humans to believe that we are 'the chosen ones'. That we possess a soul and were created in the image of a god. Belief in gods discourages humans from acknowledging that we are an animal species and we need to stop exploiting and killing other animals. I recall a preacher admonishing me when I stopped eating meat as a young adult. They said "God made animals for humans to use".
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 21, 2020 19:57:19 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee and Pragmatic Neanderthal humans killed to survive. In the 21st century science has the means to control populations using compassionate strategies. Other sentient beings experience fear, pain and grieve. There are humans who do not bond, or have as loving relationships with their own kind, as many non-human animals. We know that elephants mourn, kangaroos interact at a deep and meaningful level, goats are as intelligent and loving as dogs that sheep have best friends, are playful and smarter than we thought chickens are sensitive and smartkangaroos bond and grieveand the list could be extended to include all other "sentient" beings /non-human animals. Yet humans continue to treat other animals as if they are possessions or pests. If the environment is a genuine concern, then it makes no sense to ignore the impact of Dairy Farming in NZ. If the identification of "introduced species" is deemed a permit to kill, then the cow is also an introduced species. Humans are the only mammal who weans their young, then continue to drink the milk of another mammal. Dairy consumption is a disaster for the environment and it is also a serious health risk. Have a read of this article (there are others) to learn of those health risks 6 Reasons You Should Avoid Dairy At All CostsDairy milk is meant for calves. But breeding these animals and then taking their offspring when only a few hours old is wrong on every level. Male calves are treated as waste products and killed in their thousands. The cruelty caused by dairy is beyond shocking. There has been far more clearing of New Zealand land for grazing dairy cows by humans than the damage caused by tahr or other wild animals. I agree their populations should be controlled but by using compassionate methods that respect these beings for what they are. They are sensitive, intelligent (not that intelligence must ever be a criteria for kindness vs cruelty) and they feel emotions just like us (or some of us When you kill a female (or any) tahr, there will be others who will be left grieving. To tie this topic into the TMB theme: religiosity encourages humans to believe that we are 'the chosen ones'. That we possess a soul and were created in the image of a god. Belief in gods discourages humans from acknowledging that we are an animal species and we need to stop exploiting and killing other animals. I recall a preacher admonishing me when I stopped eating meat as a young adult. They said "God made animals for humans to use". I was really impressed to learn that elephants have language. And they name their children. Totally fascinating.
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Post by fixit on Jul 21, 2020 19:58:16 GMT -5
The Greens in NZ are very greedy for, and extravagant with, taxpayer money. How would they reduce their spending in order to allow a reduction in dairy-related taxes?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 21, 2020 20:07:29 GMT -5
curlywurlysammagee and Pragmatic Neanderthal humans killed to survive. In the 21st century science has the means to control populations using compassionate strategies. Other sentient beings experience fear, pain and grief. There are humans who do not bond, or have as loving relationships with their own kind, as many non-human animals. We know that elephants mourn, , goats are as intelligent and loving as dogs that sheep have best friends, are playful and smarter than we thought chickens are sensitive and smartkangaroos bond and grieveand the list could be extended to include all other "sentient" beings /non-human animals. Yet humans continue to treat other animals as if they are possessions or pests. If the environment is a genuine concern, then it makes no sense to ignore the impact of Dairy Farming in NZ. If the identification of "introduced species" is deemed a permit to kill, then the cow is also an introduced species. Humans are the only mammal who weans their young, then continue to drink the milk of another mammal. Dairy consumption is a disaster for the environment and it is also a serious health risk. Have a read of this article (there are others) to learn of those health risks 6 Reasons You Should Avoid Dairy At All CostsDairy milk is meant for calves. But breeding these animals and then taking their offspring when only a few hours old is wrong on every level. Male calves are treated as waste products and killed in their thousands. The cruelty caused by dairy is beyond shocking. There has been far more clearing of New Zealand land for grazing dairy cows by humans than the damage caused by tahr or other wild animals. I agree their populations should be controlled but by using compassionate methods that respect these beings for what they are. They are sensitive, intelligent (not that intelligence must ever be a criteria for kindness vs cruelty) and they feel emotions just like us (or some of us When you kill a female (or any) tahr, there will be others who will be left grieving. To tie this topic into the TMB theme: religiosity encourages humans to believe that we are 'the chosen ones'. That we possess a soul and were created in the image of a god. Belief in gods discourages humans from acknowledging that we are an animal species and we need to stop exploiting and killing other animals. I recall a preacher admonishing me when I stopped eating meat as a young adult. They said "God made animals for humans to use". Can you suggest a compassionate method of dealing with the problem
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