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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 18, 2020 15:50:20 GMT -5
No, I don't know all of them -- they all didn't come to eastern Canada But you don't know ANY of them.I spent a lot of time with one of the workers whose name was on the very first workers list, in my grandparents' home where she was being cared for until she was over 100 years old. She told me a lot about the first five week convention she went to in Ireland. While she was living with my grandparents, all the workers came to visit her there, and we had birthday parties and Christmas festivities with her and anyone who came from places from Europe to Vietnam who came to visit her there. I've also had many discussions with the other very early Irish workers -- they've stayed in my parents' home many times. My grandfather and great grandmother professed through them, and they were frequent visitors in my grandparents' home for sixty years. I remember sitting for hours as a child in my grandparents' house while they all would discuss their whole history. This all happened before you were born. And you were silly enough to think that the Irish census had something to do with who professed in the early days in Ireland. If you were good enough at reading all the writings there are from the "early days", you would have know perfectly well that the vast majority of early Truthers were from Protestant denominations. I agree.... many of Irish and Scotland workers came from Protestant denominations and I believe more than 1 of them was a RCC such as Mary Browne, who you mentioned was a worker in the early days. Ireland was dominated by the RCC and many groups of Protestant denominations. ~~ August, 1954: Testimony of an ex-2x2 Ida West from North Ireland
An interested person has asked me to tell my story with regard to my faith and the fellowship I have kept. My parents were John and Sarah West brought up in the Church of Ireland (Anglican). My father, for a time previous to his marriage, moved and worked among the Methodists. Soon after his marriage in 1901, he, Edward Cooney, Tom Betty and others, all of whom used to evangelize together, moved out of the sects to which they belonged, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian and so on, into fellowship with William Irvine, a Scottish Presbyterian evangelist in the Faith Mission, who was with others moving out of Faith Mission toward clearer light on New Testament teaching and practices. They took the view that Christendom was confusion of which God was not the author. So they decided to go to Christendom and the world the way Jesus sent his apostles to Israel (Matthew 10) and to the world (Matthew 28). This is what the preachers did. My father, who did not go to preach, opened his heart and home to these preachers who sold their possessions, scattered their money to the poor and went out to preach by faith. Their message was repent, believe the gospel, follow the teaching and example of New Testament founders--Christ and the apostles. This move raised the opposition of clergy and leaders among the denominations, e.g. Church of Ireland, Methodists, Presbyterians, Salvation Army, Plymouth Brethren and others. The young movement held the course to take was 'Come out of Babylon' which is confusion. By this they meant to refuse fellowship with the world, false teachers and systems because they contradicted the teaching and example of Christ and his apostles. Their opponents held that it was better to stay in and clean up inside; but they ignored the fact that principalities and powers need exposure and triumphing over (Col. 2:15). This could only be done by a fuller manifestation of Christ through willing witnesses which this people proved by bearing their cross representing Christ as He in bearing his cross represented or declared the Father. The movement grew and spread rapidly. Now you're trying to convince me of what I already know. Or do you just have a fetish for using the quote function?
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 18, 2020 19:05:41 GMT -5
Agree curlywurlysammagee this is another example of what nathan does....he makes statements that come across as if he "knows it all" but he seems to forget that he is a "newcomer" to the 2x2s ! But of course he has to "big note" himself ! *gasp* Nathan is ordained by god. He has stated that he is appointed by god to bring god's message to all. I thought you knew that by now. Pope Martyr And when he dies, a Saint Get with the program. 😜😜😄😄
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Post by fixit on Jul 19, 2020 2:02:53 GMT -5
Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLY workers who were RCC. Name them. In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
This is classic Nathan logic. The religious affiliation of the Irish population is immaterial to the naive assumptions.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2020 2:10:04 GMT -5
It is so interesting to read posts from people who have had association with those early workers and can relay factual information. Just as it is interesting to read Pragmatic’s posts on his experiences re factual information on USA instead of fabrications of truth always posted. Oh boy it’s so refreshing. We actually had a wonderful time with Helen H when she stayed with my grandparents. She didn't profess and go in the work until she was 40, and my mother was born on her 60th birthday. They celebrated birthdays together. For many years she was the oldest worker in the world, and the daughter of one of her converts was a worker in Vietnam in the 1960's, and one of her converts there became a lifelong friend of mine -- and our families. That worker who was in Vietnam passed away here in Las Vegas just a couple of years ago. Of course, since Helen lived with my grandparents for years, she was the one who led all the Sunday meetings in their house. Interestingly, she believed that the little children should be allowed to be on the floor while the meeting progressed, and just sat up to be quiet during the passing of the emblems.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2020 2:28:06 GMT -5
In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
This is classic Nathan logic. The religious affiliation of the Irish population is immaterial to the naive assumptions. It is one of the most bizarre bits of logic I have ever seen.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2020 8:35:46 GMT -5
I agree.... many of Irish and Scotland workers came from Protestant denominations and I believe more than 1 of them was a RCC such as Mary Browne, who you mentioned was a worker in the early days. Ireland was dominated by the RCC and many groups of Protestant denominations. ~~ August, 1954: Testimony of an ex-2x2 Ida West from North Ireland
An interested person has asked me to tell my story with regard to my faith and the fellowship I have kept. My parents were John and Sarah West brought up in the Church of Ireland (Anglican). My father, for a time previous to his marriage, moved and worked among the Methodists. Soon after his marriage in 1901, he, Edward Cooney, Tom Betty and others, all of whom used to evangelize together, moved out of the sects to which they belonged, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian and so on, into fellowship with William Irvine, a Scottish Presbyterian evangelist in the Faith Mission, who was with others moving out of Faith Mission toward clearer light on New Testament teaching and practices. They took the view that Christendom was confusion of which God was not the author. So they decided to go to Christendom and the world the way Jesus sent his apostles to Israel (Matthew 10) and to the world (Matthew 28). This is what the preachers did. My father, who did not go to preach, opened his heart and home to these preachers who sold their possessions, scattered their money to the poor and went out to preach by faith. Their message was repent, believe the gospel, follow the teaching and example of New Testament founders--Christ and the apostles. This move raised the opposition of clergy and leaders among the denominations, e.g. Church of Ireland, Methodists, Presbyterians, Salvation Army, Plymouth Brethren and others. The young movement held the course to take was 'Come out of Babylon' which is confusion. By this they meant to refuse fellowship with the world, false teachers and systems because they contradicted the teaching and example of Christ and his apostles. Their opponents held that it was better to stay in and clean up inside; but they ignored the fact that principalities and powers need exposure and triumphing over (Col. 2:15). This could only be done by a fuller manifestation of Christ through willing witnesses which this people proved by bearing their cross representing Christ as He in bearing his cross represented or declared the Father. The movement grew and spread rapidly. Now you're trying to convince me of what I already know. Or do you just have a fetish for using the quote function? Ida West doesn't KNOW all of the early day workers background and their testimony or which church they came out of... Just like today, you, I and the rest of the 2x2s have NOT heard or known of all of the workers testimonies around the world... We hear and KNOW only some of them through the years... Like I said I believe there were more RCC who became workers NOT just Mary Browne, the early days sister worker you mentioned in your post.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2020 11:39:06 GMT -5
Now you're trying to convince me of what I already know. Or do you just have a fetish for using the quote function? Ida West doesn't KNOW all of the early day workers background and their testimony or which church they came out of... Just like today, you, I and the rest of the 2x2s have NOT heard or known of all of the workers testimonies around the world... We hear and KNOW only some of them through the years... Like I said I believe there were more RCC who became workers NOT just Mary Browne, the early days sister worker you mentioned in your post.
Nathan, every time you open your gob you dig your self a hole. You ignore the comments that people remember what their parents and grandparents told them regarding the Irish catholic and prefer the vain imaginations of your own mind. On second thoughts, delete the word mind from the above sentence. You do not appear to have one. As some others have said on here, your comments appear to be to feed your own ego.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 16:08:47 GMT -5
We actually had a wonderful time with Helen H when she stayed with my grandparents. She didn't profess and go in the work until she was 40, and my mother was born on her 60th birthday. They celebrated birthdays together. For many years she was the oldest worker in the world, and the daughter of one of her converts was a worker in Vietnam in the 1960's, and one of her converts there became a lifelong friend of mine -- and our families. That worker who was in Vietnam passed away here in Las Vegas just a couple of years ago. Of course, since Helen lived with my grandparents for years, she was the one who led all the Sunday meetings in their house. Interestingly, she believed that the little children should be allowed to be on the floor while the meeting progressed, and just sat up to be quiet during the passing of the emblems. So wonderful of Helen, re the little children being on the floor instead of sitting up straight on a hard chair for an hour listening to stuff which made no sense to them. Hope they had a puzzle or two as well!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2020 16:32:26 GMT -5
Of course, since Helen lived with my grandparents for years, she was the one who led all the Sunday meetings in their house. Interestingly, she believed that the little children should be allowed to be on the floor while the meeting progressed, and just sat up to be quiet during the passing of the emblems. So wonderful of Helen, re the little children being on the floor instead of sitting up straight on a hard chair for an hour listening to stuff which made no sense to them. Hope they had a puzzle or two as well! Most of the time they just sat where they were and played with something non-noise making, or laid down and went to sleep.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 19, 2020 22:43:44 GMT -5
Now you're trying to convince me of what I already know. Or do you just have a fetish for using the quote function? Ida West doesn't KNOW all of the early day workers background and their testimony or which church they came out of... Just like today, you, I and the rest of the 2x2s have NOT heard or known of all of the workers testimonies around the world... We hear and KNOW only some of them through the years... Like I said I believe there were more RCC who became workers NOT just Mary Browne, the early days sister worker you mentioned in your post.
Prove it nathan. Considering you are a "newcomer" to the 2x2 church and have no family history in it, maybe for once you should stop trying to "big note" yourself.
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 12:24:31 GMT -5
Ida West doesn't KNOW all of the early day workers background and their testimony or which church they came out of... Just like today, you, I and the rest of the 2x2s have NOT heard or known of all of the workers testimonies around the world... We hear and KNOW only some of them through the years... Like I said I believe there were more RCC who became workers NOT just Mary Browne, the early days sister worker you mentioned in your post.
Prove it nathan. Considering you are a "newcomer" to the 2x2 church and have no family history in it, maybe for once you should stop trying to "big note" yourself. *** BobW. Already proved it one RCC name Mary Browne from the early day became a worker and there were more workers like her that we don't know about.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 20, 2020 13:13:23 GMT -5
Prove it nathan . Considering you are a "newcomer" to the 2x2 church and have no family history in it, maybe for once you should stop trying to "big note" yourself. *** BobW. Already proved it one RCC name Mary Browne from the early day became a worker and there were more workers like her that we don't know about. Can you not see the stupidity of your statement. We know of one so yoy take a giant leap and say there must be more. Going on the evidence available that is simply another of your LIES.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2020 14:12:45 GMT -5
Prove it nathan. Considering you are a "newcomer" to the 2x2 church and have no family history in it, maybe for once you should stop trying to "big note" yourself. *** BobW. Already proved it one RCC name Mary Browne from the early day became a worker and there were more workers like her that we don't know about. I proved no such thing. All I proved was that ONE CATHOLIC WOMAN became a worker in the early days in Ireland. NOTHING MORE. I also said that I had HEARD OF NO OTHERS. I said nothing else, I meant nothing else -- and I don't want to hear of you saying that I did tell you more than that. You have a really bad habit of getting carried away like that.
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 14:45:29 GMT -5
*** BobW. Already proved it one RCC name Mary Browne from the early day became a worker and there were more workers like her that we don't know about. I proved no such thing. All I proved was that ONE CATHOLIC WOMAN became a worker in the early days in Ireland. NOTHING MORE. I also said that I had HEARD OF NO OTHERS. I said nothing else, I meant nothing else -- and I don't want to hear of you saying that I did tell you more than that. You have a really bad habit of getting carried away like that. You had revealed the name of the early days sister worker who was a RCC that you KNEW of and I said there could be MORE than just ONE person. You have NOT met or KNOWN all of the Irish workers or heard their testimonies.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2020 14:48:34 GMT -5
I proved no such thing. All I proved was that ONE CATHOLIC WOMAN became a worker in the early days in Ireland. NOTHING MORE. I also said that I had HEARD OF NO OTHERS. I said nothing else, I meant nothing else -- and I don't want to hear of you saying that I did tell you more than that. You have a really bad habit of getting carried away like that. You had revealed the name of the early days sister worker who was a RCC that you KNEW of and I said there could be MORE than just ONE person. You have NOT met or KNOWN all of the Irish workers or heard their testimonies. I don't care what YOU said. You don't know ANY such workers, so you can PROVE NOTHING. There could have been an Irish Muslim who became a worker in the early days -- but COULD BE is nothing more that an "I don't know that it was even true".
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Post by fixit on Jul 20, 2020 15:12:31 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 15:37:26 GMT -5
You had revealed the name of the early days sister worker who was a RCC that you KNEW of and I said there could be MORE than just ONE person. You have NOT met or KNOWN all of the Irish workers or heard their testimonies. I don't care what YOU said. You don't know ANY such workers, so you can PROVE NOTHING. There could have been an Irish Muslim who became a worker in the early days -- but COULD BE is nothing more that an "I don't know that it was even true". *** Well, you proved to us there was one RCC who became a worker in the early days... There could be more that you and the rest of 2x2s, exes don't KNOW about.
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Post by Grant on Jul 20, 2020 15:43:41 GMT -5
Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLY workers who were RCC. Name them. In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
Nathan you wrote that you believe many of the workers and fiends from Ireland were RCC... many....and then later in the post say there must be more.....now you're saying 2 posts up that you only said there could be more. You are unable to confirm that there were any. Bob gave one and his family goes back a lot further in the history than you do.
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 15:50:11 GMT -5
In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
Nathan you wrote that you believe many of the workers and fiends from Ireland were RCC... many....and then later in the post say there must be more.....now you're saying 2 posts up that you only said there could be more. ** Yess, I believe there could be more RCC who became workers in the early days came Ireland and Scotland.
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Post by Grant on Jul 20, 2020 15:51:19 GMT -5
You did not say, "could be more", you said you believed there were "many"...a big difference.
I'm not saying there weren't more but you often just make assumptions at whim without anything to back it up which is often the reason for your mistakes when it comes to trying to prove something when in fact it's just your assumption, then you pass your assumptions off as fact.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 20, 2020 17:10:09 GMT -5
It's called fruitloop-itis
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 20, 2020 17:24:14 GMT -5
It's called fruitloop-itis I would love to see him give evidence in a court.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2020 18:34:31 GMT -5
I certainly do. I discovered that a long time ago.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2020 18:39:12 GMT -5
I don't care what YOU said. You don't know ANY such workers, so you can PROVE NOTHING. There could have been an Irish Muslim who became a worker in the early days -- but COULD BE is nothing more that an "I don't know that it was even true". *** Well, you proved to us there was one RCC who became a worker in the early days... There could be more that you and the rest of 2x2s, exes don't KNOW about. "Could be" is proof of nothing. Move on to something you know about.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2020 18:39:29 GMT -5
I don't care what YOU said. You don't know ANY such workers, so you can PROVE NOTHING. There could have been an Irish Muslim who became a worker in the early days -- but COULD BE is nothing more that an "I don't know that it was even true". *** Well, you proved to us there was one RCC who became a worker in the early days... There could be more that you and the rest of 2x2s, exes don't KNOW about. "Could be" is proof of nothing. Move on to something you know about.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 20, 2020 18:40:09 GMT -5
*** Well, you proved to us there was one RCC who became a worker in the early days... There could be more that you and the rest of 2x2s, exes don't KNOW about. "Could be" is proof of nothing. Move on to something you know about. Waiting...waiting.....zzzzzzzzz.
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Post by fixit on Jul 20, 2020 18:43:31 GMT -5
"Could be" is proof of nothing. Move on to something you know about. Waiting...waiting.....zzzzzzzzz. Go shoot a Tahr while you're waiting.
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2020 18:48:43 GMT -5
"Could be" is proof of nothing. Move on to something you know about. Waiting...waiting.....zzzzzzzzz. *** There 1 evidence sister worker Browne for you! Curly, I will look for more workers in the early who were RCC. I will post their names for you guys.
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