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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 1:03:21 GMT -5
Like your beautiful and smooth bald head. I don't know. I've never seen it. you don't have mirrors in your home?
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Post by nathan on Jul 17, 2020 1:07:56 GMT -5
I don't know. I've never seen it. you don't have mirrors in your home? He doesn't need a mirror his Avatar bald head man's picture stares at him every time he posts.... Is BobW. going blind that he can't see his own bald head picture?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2020 1:08:57 GMT -5
I don't know. I've never seen it. Look at your avatar of yourself and you will SEE the beautiful bald head you have.I wasn't referring to MY head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 1:10:31 GMT -5
Look at your avatar of yourself and you will SEE the beautiful bald head you have. I wasn't referring to MY head. oh...i see...going to the gutter aye? been there done that...
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Post by Grant on Jul 17, 2020 1:58:53 GMT -5
For an example.... Like the Godhead/Trinity= God the Father, Christ is our Lord God and Savior, and Holy Spirit. and that just one of the examples. You mean you believe in the Trinity which you were taught in the Catholic school you attended as a child and Pentecostal church you attended a year before professing. Sounds the same as the early workers who came from other churches and retained some of their earlier beliefs.
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Post by Annan on Jul 17, 2020 7:15:28 GMT -5
*** I have my opinions and views on U.S. politics but many people on here are having better grasp on these things than me. So, I better keep quite and speak on things I know and understand. In that case you ought to be quiet for a very long time. *spews her coffee*
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Post by nathan on Jul 17, 2020 9:01:26 GMT -5
For an example.... Like the Godhead/Trinity= God the Father, Christ is our Lord God and Savior, and Holy Spirit. and that just one of the examples. You mean you believe in the Trinity which you were taught in the Catholic school you attended as a child and Pentecostal church you attended a year before professing. Sounds the same as the early workers who came from other churches and retained some of their earlier beliefs. The Trinity/Godhead concepts is taught in the Old and New Testament but the 1st century early church father or the 2nd century apostles COINED the word Trinity or TRIUNE God to describe the Godhead= God the Father, Christ the LORD God our Savior and the Holy Spirit. The word TRINITY and TRIUNE God are short terminologies/word for Godhead= God the Father, Christ God, and Holy Spirit is also God.
So, the RCC adopted or kept and use the word Trinity and Triune God in the 3rd century from then on.... The 40,000 plus Protestant denomination and the early 2x2 workers use and teach the TRINITY doctrine because it TRUE.
A RCC monk by the name of Arius in the 2nd century, began to teach the opposite TRINITY doctrine, that Jesus is NOT God, but ONLY the Son of God and gain many disciples and they were Excommunicated from the ministry and the church to this very day. Their false belief caused too much misunderstanding and confusion and divisions within the RCC.
Yes, most of the early days workers came from RCC and many Protestants churches and they KEPT and Taught the Trinity doctrine to the friends.... then came Jehovah Witness in the 18th century they revived ARIUS anti-Trinity doctrine/spirits and it spreads like wild fire to some Protestant denomination and eventually, the 2x2s workers and friends around 1950s. The overseers around the world began to delete the word TRINITY, Jesus is God out of the hymn books, and in their teaching/preaching. Now, most of the workers and friends are anti-TRINITY doctrine like the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and a few Protestant denomination that believe it.
However, some of the workers through the years still preach the TRINITY, Jesus is God the Son and NOT God the Father. The TRINITY is God the Father, Christ is God, and the Holy Spirit is also part of the Godhead.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 17, 2020 11:23:38 GMT -5
You mean you believe in the Trinity which you were taught in the Catholic school you attended as a child and Pentecostal church you attended a year before professing. Sounds the same as the early workers who came from other churches and retained some of their earlier beliefs. The Trinity/Godhead concepts is taught in the Old and New Testament but the 1st century early church father or the 2nd century apostles COINED the word Trinity or TRIUNE God to describe the Godhead= God the Father, Christ the LORD God our Savior and the Holy Spirit. The word TRINITY and TRIUNE God are short terminologies/word for Godhead= God the Father, Christ God, and Holy Spirit is also God.
So, the RCC adopted or kept and use the word Trinity and Triune God in the 3rd century from then on.... The 40,000 plus Protestant denomination and the early 2x2 workers use and teach the TRINITY doctrine because it TRUE.
A RCC monk by the name of Arius in the 2nd century, began to teach the opposite TRINITY doctrine, that Jesus is NOT God, but ONLY the Son of God and gain many disciples and they were Excommunicated from the ministry and the church to this very day. Their false belief caused too much misunderstanding and confusion and divisions within the RCC.
Yes, most of the early days workers came from RCC and many Protestants churches and they KEPT and Taught the Trinity doctrine to the friends.... then came Jehovah Witness in the 18th century they revived ARIUS anti-Trinity doctrine/spirits and it spreads like wild fire to some Protestant denomination and eventually, the 2x2s workers and friends around 1950s. The overseers around the world began to delete the word TRINITY, Jesus is God out of the hymn books, and in their teaching/preaching. Now, most of the workers and friends are anti-TRINITY doctrine like the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and a few Protestant denomination that believe it.
However, some of the workers through the years still preach the TRINITY, Jesus is God the Son and NOT God the Father. The TRINITY is God the Father, Christ is God, and the Holy Spirit is also part of the Godhead.
Tell us the name of an early worker who was ex RCC.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2020 15:08:23 GMT -5
The Trinity/Godhead concepts is taught in the Old and New Testament but the 1st century early church father or the 2nd century apostles COINED the word Trinity or TRIUNE God to describe the Godhead= God the Father, Christ the LORD God our Savior and the Holy Spirit. The word TRINITY and TRIUNE God are short terminologies/word for Godhead= God the Father, Christ God, and Holy Spirit is also God.
So, the RCC adopted or kept and use the word Trinity and Triune God in the 3rd century from then on.... The 40,000 plus Protestant denomination and the early 2x2 workers use and teach the TRINITY doctrine because it TRUE.
A RCC monk by the name of Arius in the 2nd century, began to teach the opposite TRINITY doctrine, that Jesus is NOT God, but ONLY the Son of God and gain many disciples and they were Excommunicated from the ministry and the church to this very day. Their false belief caused too much misunderstanding and confusion and divisions within the RCC.
Yes, most of the early days workers came from RCC and many Protestants churches and they KEPT and Taught the Trinity doctrine to the friends.... then came Jehovah Witness in the 18th century they revived ARIUS anti-Trinity doctrine/spirits and it spreads like wild fire to some Protestant denomination and eventually, the 2x2s workers and friends around 1950s. The overseers around the world began to delete the word TRINITY, Jesus is God out of the hymn books, and in their teaching/preaching. Now, most of the workers and friends are anti-TRINITY doctrine like the Jehovah Witnesses, the Mormons and a few Protestant denomination that believe it.
However, some of the workers through the years still preach the TRINITY, Jesus is God the Son and NOT God the Father. The TRINITY is God the Father, Christ is God, and the Holy Spirit is also part of the Godhead.
Tell us the name of an early worker who was ex RCC. I happen to know of one -- Mary Browne. She was in eastern Canada, and came from Ireland. The story was that she ran away from her family because they were going to tar and feather her.
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Post by nathan on Jul 17, 2020 18:40:24 GMT -5
Tell us the name of an early worker who was ex RCC. I happen to know of one -- Mary Browne. She was in eastern Canada, and came from Ireland. The story was that she ran away from her family because they were going to tar and feather her. ** There are other ex-RCC out there that we don't know about worker, there was a worker in Oregon staff who was a RCC. I met many friends who were RCC.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 17, 2020 20:08:12 GMT -5
I happen to know of one -- Mary Browne. She was in eastern Canada, and came from Ireland. The story was that she ran away from her family because they were going to tar and feather her. ** There are other ex-RCC out there that we don't know about worker, there was a worker in Oregon staff who was a RCC. I met many friends who were RCC. Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLYworkers who were RCC. Name them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2020 20:20:11 GMT -5
** There are other ex-RCC out there that we don't know about worker, there was a worker in Oregon staff who was a RCC. I met many friends who were RCC. Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLYworkers who were RCC. Name them. He's not old enough to remember any of the original workers.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 17, 2020 20:28:52 GMT -5
Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLYworkers who were RCC. Name them. He's not old enough to remember any of the original workers. I realize that. However this is a classic case of Nathan saying something that bears no resemblance to the truth. Maybe this time if he sat down and thought about what he writes and backs it up with verifiable evidence he may just retract his comment that "Yes, most of the early days workers came from RCC and many Protestants churches'. Other than the woman you mentioned, the early workers in Scotland and Ireland were 99% protestant. I would like to know more about the one you mentioned Bob, such as where she was born etc.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 17, 2020 20:39:11 GMT -5
He's not old enough to remember any of the original workers. I realize that. However this is a classic case of Nathan saying something that bears no resemblance to the truth. Maybe this time if he sat down and thought about what he writes and backs it up with verifiable evidence he may just retract his comment that "Yes, most of the early days workers came from RCC and many Protestants churches'. Other than the woman you mentioned, the early workers in Scotland and Ireland were 99% protestant. I would like to know more about the one you mentioned Bob, such as where she was born etc. Agree curlywurlysammagee this is another example of what nathan does....he makes statements that come across as if he "knows it all" but he seems to forget that he is a "newcomer" to the 2x2s ! But of course he has to "big note" himself !
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 17, 2020 23:39:44 GMT -5
He's not old enough to remember any of the original workers. I realize that. However this is a classic case of Nathan saying something that bears no resemblance to the truth. Maybe this time if he sat down and thought about what he writes and backs it up with verifiable evidence he may just retract his comment that "Yes, most of the early days workers came from RCC and many Protestants churches'. Other than the woman you mentioned, the early workers in Scotland and Ireland were 99% protestant. I would like to know more about the one you mentioned Bob, such as where she was born etc. I didn't know her well. But she came to eastern Canada very early on, and people spoke of her as being a very early very rare convert from Catholicism. She passed away in old age when I was quite young -- probably in the late 1950's. One of the finest meeting elder in our town was about my of my grandfather's generation, and he always admitted that it was Mary who cracked his refusal to have anything to do with the F&W. His name was Grant -- I loved his spirit. Mary had a reputation of being rather severe, but I never thought that was why Grant listened to her.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 17, 2020 23:55:37 GMT -5
I realize that. However this is a classic case of Nathan saying something that bears no resemblance to the truth. Maybe this time if he sat down and thought about what he writes and backs it up with verifiable evidence he may just retract his comment that "Yes, most of the early days workers came from RCC and many Protestants churches'. Other than the woman you mentioned, the early workers in Scotland and Ireland were 99% protestant. I would like to know more about the one you mentioned Bob, such as where she was born etc. Agree curlywurlysammagee this is another example of what nathan does....he makes statements that come across as if he "knows it all" but he seems to forget that he is a "newcomer" to the 2x2s ! But of course he has to "big note" himself ! You noticed that too, huh?
What he doesn't know, is exactly how many on here actually do know a lot, and have connections, both in the church, and politically.
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2020 0:10:39 GMT -5
** There are other ex-RCC out there that we don't know about worker, there was a worker in Oregon staff who was a RCC. I met many friends who were RCC. Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLY workers who were RCC. Name them. In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 18, 2020 0:30:38 GMT -5
Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLY workers who were RCC. Name them. In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
Nathan, there you go again, in the absence of evidence making something up. That is why you have no credibility. I did know early workers, not that early but early enough. One of them was Georgie Manning from Ireland who was a frequent visitor to our house. She loathed Catholics. She was quite representative of her era. My fathers mother and father were very early converts of the workers in Ireland. My father told me a lot of stories about old Ireland. None of them included lots of catholics professing. So stop making stuff up when you don't know what you are talking about.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 18, 2020 0:42:39 GMT -5
Nathan, you specifically said that there were EARLY workers who were RCC. Name them. In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
This belief of yours is ABSOLUTELY wrong. Extremely few people who professed in Ireland were EVER Catholics.
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2020 0:57:11 GMT -5
In the Republic of Ireland's 2016 census, 78% of the population identified as Catholic, which represents a decrease of 6% from 2011. By contrast, 41% of Northern Ireland identified as Catholic at the 2011... Many of the early workers came from Ireland.... So, I believe many of the workers and friends from Ireland were RCC. Many of them are DEAD now, too bad we don't KNOW many of their testimonies when they scattered all over the world in 1900s.
Curly, one of them was a RCC is -- Mary Browne and there must be more of them out there that we don't KNOW about.
This belief of yours is ABSOLUTELY wrong. Extremely few people who professed in Ireland were EVER Catholics. You don't KNOW ALL of the workers from Ireland that went to many nations in 1900s. You are poking in the dark, you only met a few of them in your life time.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 18, 2020 1:21:57 GMT -5
This belief of yours is ABSOLUTELY wrong. Extremely few people who professed in Ireland were EVER Catholics. You don't KNOW ALL of the workers from Ireland that went to many nations in 1900s. You are poking in the dark, you only met a few of them in your life time.
Of course I don't know all of them. But all that I knew had never been catholic. They never spoke of ex catholics being workers. Catholics were not welcome at early gospel meetings. You need to pull your head in and realize you make a fool of yourself with your know all statements. Refer to Cherie's website for further information.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 18, 2020 1:36:11 GMT -5
This belief of yours is ABSOLUTELY wrong. Extremely few people who professed in Ireland were EVER Catholics. You don't KNOW ALL of the workers from Ireland that went to many nations in 1900s. You are poking in the dark, you only met a few of them in your life time.
No, I don't know all of them -- they all didn't come to eastern Canada But you don't know ANY of them.I spent a lot of time with one of the workers whose name was on the very first workers list, in my grandparents' home where she was being cared for until she was over 100 years old. She told me a lot about the first five week convention she went to in Ireland. While she was living with my grandparents, all the workers came to visit her there, and we had birthday parties and Christmas festivities with her and anyone who came from places from Europe to Vietnam who came to visit her there. I've also had many discussions with the other very early Irish workers -- they've stayed in my parents' home many times. My grandfather and great grandmother professed through them, and they were frequent visitors in my grandparents' home for sixty years. I remember sitting for hours as a child in my grandparents' house while they all would discuss their whole history. This all happened before you were born. And you were silly enough to think that the Irish census had something to do with who professed in the early days in Ireland. If you were good enough at reading all the writings there are from the "early days", you would have know perfectly well that the vast majority of early Truthers were from Protestant denominations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 1:46:36 GMT -5
You don't KNOW ALL of the workers from Ireland that went to many nations in 1900s. You are poking in the dark, you only met a few of them in your life time.
No, I don't know all of them -- they all didn't come to eastern Canada But you don't know ANY of them.I spent a lot of time with one of the workers whose name was on the very first workers list, in my grandparents' home where she was being cared for until she was over 100 years old. She told me a lot about the first five week convention she went to in Ireland. While she was living with my grandparents, all the workers came to visit her there, and we had birthday parties and Christmas festivities with her and anyone who came from places from Europe to Vietnam who came to visit her there. I've also had many discussions with the other very early Irish workers -- they've stayed in my parents' home many times. My grandfather and great grandmother professed through them, and they were frequent visitors in my grandparents' home for sixty years. I remember sitting for hours as a child in my grandparents' house while they all would discuss their whole history. This all happened before you were born. And you were silly enough to think that the Irish census had something to do with who professed in the early days in Ireland. If you were good enough at reading all the writings there are from the "early days", you would have know perfectly well that the vast majority of early Truthers were from Protestant denominations. It is so interesting to read posts from people who have had association with those early workers through close family and can relay factual information. Thanks Bob. Just as it is interesting to read Pragmatic’s posts ( relating to experience with people he knows ) re factual information on some USA points ...instead of the fabrications of truth always posted by someone. Oh boy it’s so refreshing and keeps the show ‘grounded’.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 18, 2020 1:55:41 GMT -5
No, I don't know all of them -- they all didn't come to eastern Canada But you don't know ANY of them.I spent a lot of time with one of the workers whose name was on the very first workers list, in my grandparents' home where she was being cared for until she was over 100 years old. She told me a lot about the first five week convention she went to in Ireland. While she was living with my grandparents, all the workers came to visit her there, and we had birthday parties and Christmas festivities with her and anyone who came from places from Europe to Vietnam who came to visit her there. I've also had many discussions with the other very early Irish workers -- they've stayed in my parents' home many times. My grandfather and great grandmother professed through them, and they were frequent visitors in my grandparents' home for sixty years. I remember sitting for hours as a child in my grandparents' house while they all would discuss their whole history. This all happened before you were born. And you were silly enough to think that the Irish census had something to do with who professed in the early days in Ireland. If you were good enough at reading all the writings there are from the "early days", you would have know perfectly well that the vast majority of early Truthers were from Protestant denominations. It is so interesting to read posts from people who have had association with those early workers and can relay factual information. Just as it is interesting to read Pragmatic’s posts on his experiences re factual information on USA instead of fabrications of truth always posted. Oh boy it’s so refreshing. We actually had a wonderful time with Helen H when she stayed with my grandparents. She didn't profess and go in the work until she was 40, and my mother was born on her 60th birthday. They celebrated birthdays together. For many years she was the oldest worker in the world, and the daughter of one of her converts was a worker in Vietnam in the 1960's, and one of her converts there became a lifelong friend of mine -- and our families. That worker who was in Vietnam passed away here in Las Vegas just a couple of years ago.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 18, 2020 7:20:16 GMT -5
Curly and Bob are correct. My own ancestry goes deep into Ireland, and our Overseer, has studied our family history and early church in Ireland. It was almost unheard of for a Catholic to "profess" and the vitriolic preaching against the RCC turned them away. One such worker in our South Island preached that "the Catholics have been dead the longest, that's why they stink the most". GF was told to dampen it down a bit.
Where Nathan gets his information from I have no idea. Maybe he just makes things up, and then refuses to accept that he could be wrong.
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2020 8:56:36 GMT -5
You don't KNOW ALL of the workers from Ireland that went to many nations in 1900s. You are poking in the dark, you only met a few of them in your life time.
No, I don't know all of them -- they all didn't come to eastern Canada But you don't know ANY of them.I spent a lot of time with one of the workers whose name was on the very first workers list, in my grandparents' home where she was being cared for until she was over 100 years old. She told me a lot about the first five week convention she went to in Ireland. While she was living with my grandparents, all the workers came to visit her there, and we had birthday parties and Christmas festivities with her and anyone who came from places from Europe to Vietnam who came to visit her there. I've also had many discussions with the other very early Irish workers -- they've stayed in my parents' home many times. My grandfather and great grandmother professed through them, and they were frequent visitors in my grandparents' home for sixty years. I remember sitting for hours as a child in my grandparents' house while they all would discuss their whole history. This all happened before you were born. And you were silly enough to think that the Irish census had something to do with who professed in the early days in Ireland. If you were good enough at reading all the writings there are from the "early days", you would have know perfectly well that the vast majority of early Truthers were from Protestant denominations. I agree.... many of Irish and Scotland workers came from Protestant denominations and I believe more than 1 of them was a RCC such as Mary Browne, who you mentioned was a worker in the early days. Ireland was dominated by the RCC and many groups of Protestant denominations. ~~ August, 1954: Testimony of an ex-2x2 Ida West from North Ireland
An interested person has asked me to tell my story with regard to my faith and the fellowship I have kept. My parents were John and Sarah West brought up in the Church of Ireland (Anglican). My father, for a time previous to his marriage, moved and worked among the Methodists. Soon after his marriage in 1901, he, Edward Cooney, Tom Betty and others, all of whom used to evangelize together, moved out of the sects to which they belonged, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian and so on, into fellowship with William Irvine, a Scottish Presbyterian evangelist in the Faith Mission, who was with others moving out of Faith Mission toward clearer light on New Testament teaching and practices. They took the view that Christendom was confusion of which God was not the author. So they decided to go to Christendom and the world the way Jesus sent his apostles to Israel (Matthew 10) and to the world (Matthew 28). This is what the preachers did. My father, who did not go to preach, opened his heart and home to these preachers who sold their possessions, scattered their money to the poor and went out to preach by faith. Their message was repent, believe the gospel, follow the teaching and example of New Testament founders--Christ and the apostles. This move raised the opposition of clergy and leaders among the denominations, e.g. Church of Ireland, Methodists, Presbyterians, Salvation Army, Plymouth Brethren and others. The young movement held the course to take was 'Come out of Babylon' which is confusion. By this they meant to refuse fellowship with the world, false teachers and systems because they contradicted the teaching and example of Christ and his apostles. Their opponents held that it was better to stay in and clean up inside; but they ignored the fact that principalities and powers need exposure and triumphing over (Col. 2:15). This could only be done by a fuller manifestation of Christ through willing witnesses which this people proved by bearing their cross representing Christ as He in bearing his cross represented or declared the Father. The movement grew and spread rapidly.
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Post by Annan on Jul 18, 2020 10:59:36 GMT -5
Agree curlywurlysammagee this is another example of what nathan does....he makes statements that come across as if he "knows it all" but he seems to forget that he is a "newcomer" to the 2x2s ! But of course he has to "big note" himself ! *gasp* Nathan is ordained by god. He has stated that he is appointed by god to bring god's message to all. I thought you knew that by now. Pope Martyr And when he dies, a Saint Get with the program.
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Post by Grant on Jul 18, 2020 14:03:54 GMT -5
You've only proved others right Nathan. There are no Catholics mentioned in your last post. They are all Protestant denominations. You do just make things up as you go along. The same as all your history making up that the workers came down the Waldensian line when they had no connection with them and were purely Protestants.
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