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Post by Annan on Jul 8, 2020 15:48:21 GMT -5
My father no longer professes. He did profess for many years. My mother never professed. The workers spent time with my parents and stayed at their house. It's been almost two years since my mother passed away. Not one worker or 2x2 has extended their condolences. My father admits that he did not reach out to anyone. He says my mother's obituary was in the local newspaper and there are 2x2's in the area that had to have read it. My father is hurt that those he knew and cared for and called friends would shun him because he no longer professes.
My opinion is, par for the course. I am not in the least bit surprised. Where's the Christ-like behavior? Where's the love?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:13:03 GMT -5
Disappointing. I feel sadness when I read things like this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 16:42:35 GMT -5
Some religions, such as Scientologists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Amish and 2x2's, have formal policies to shun those who question or leave the religion. It is something practised by those in cult organisations. Certainly not Christian behaviour. Nobody should ever be set aside because they don't accept some man made belief system.
The best way we found to get away from the hurt is move away from them. People with that mentality are not worth worrying about. Get a circle of new friends, you will find them better than the friends you thought you had.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 17:08:43 GMT -5
..Then we have a Christian elder on here who most certainly doesn’t practise that behaviour but gets criticised by another so called Christian ( a Venus one). Shows up the madness , emptiness & hypocrisy time & time again.
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Post by fixit on Jul 8, 2020 17:25:48 GMT -5
Some religions, such as Scientologists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Amish and 2x2's, have formal policies to shun those who question or leave the religion. It is something practised by those in cult organisations. Certainly not Christian behaviour. Nobody should ever be set aside because they don't accept some man made belief system. The best way we found to get away from the hurt is move away from them. People with that mentality are not worth worrying about. Get a circle of new friends, you will find them better than the friends you thought you had. It's bad, for sure. Nothing I would condone. But it's not just "cults". What churches don't shun dissidents?
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Post by fixit on Jul 8, 2020 17:27:57 GMT -5
..Then we have a Christian elder on here who most certainly doesn’t practise that behaviour but gets criticised by another so called Christian ( a Venus one). Shows up the madness , emptiness & hypocrisy time & time again. It's in our genes to shun misfits. It worked well for much of human history where tribalism was neccessary for survival.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 17:32:28 GMT -5
We should always be guided by common sense and common decency. Basic human decency is being polite, courteous, civil, thoughtful, and using tact and diplomacy when with others, thus treating them as you wish to be treated.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 8, 2020 17:49:51 GMT -5
Some religions, such as Scientologists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Amish and 2x2's, have formal policies to shun those who question or leave the religion. It is something practised by those in cult organisations. Certainly not Christian behaviour. Nobody should ever be set aside because they don't accept some man made belief system. The best way we found to get away from the hurt is move away from them. People with that mentality are not worth worrying about. Get a circle of new friends, you will find them better than the friends you thought you had. Humans like to share a common bond. Sometimes that common bond is the religion they belong to. However claiming a friendship that is contingent on that common bond being in place, isn't a friendship in the true sense of the word.
Some of my closest friends, in the true sense of the word, are not in the same church as me.
Some people in the older generation shun, possibly not deliberately, but because of their lack of social ability and an inability to cope with the absence of what was once the common bond.
I have not noticed shunning in our church as a "church thing", but I have seen people shun others, and sometimes even within the church due to financial pressures, mental health issues, family dynamics etc.
I was at a funeral recently which was conducted by an Anglican. Some family members at the funeral had recently moved to the Presbyterians. I was with them when the Anglican Dean was talking with them, and there were jokes about it, and absolutely no hard feelings, or "elephants in the room." The funeral was interdenominational with participation by a Catholic Priest, Anglican Dean, and the Presbyterian Minister.
Recently I was talking to a worker who was telling me about a funeral he was to speak at, and the Baptist Minister offered to pray with him before the service. He accepted it and the two of them prayed together, because neither really knew the deceased, only the families. He said it was a lovely time, and they both benefited. This is how it should be.
A stark contrast to a funeral in Western Australia I watched on a video link that was hijacked by the worker, input from the families and eulogies were denied by him. Even the professional carers, and non-professing family members who cared for the deceased, and family members in NZ never got a mention.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 8, 2020 17:50:45 GMT -5
Shunning is primarily practiced by churches who endeavor to closely follow the example of the New Testament church described in the Bible. Among the very worldly churches with bands, entertainment, and sermons that barely reference the Bible, you will not find much shunning. Those who solemnly study the Word of God in detail tend to follow it and do lots of shunning.
"Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10:34-37
"Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed." - 2 Thessalonians 3:14
You must hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough? Clear away the old leaven so that you may be a new batch, inasmuch as you are free from ferment. For, indeed, Christ our Passover lamb has been sacrificed. … But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” - 1 Corinthians 5:5-7, 11-13
"Hymenaeus and Alexander are among these, and I have handed them over to Satan so that they may be taught by discipline not to blaspheme." - 1 Timothy 1:20
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. Look out for yourselves, so that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward. Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. - 2 John 7-11
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 17:55:46 GMT -5
Some religions, such as Scientologists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Amish and 2x2's, have formal policies to shun those who question or leave the religion. It is something practised by those in cult organisations. Certainly not Christian behaviour. Nobody should ever be set aside because they don't accept some man made belief system. The best way we found to get away from the hurt is move away from them. People with that mentality are not worth worrying about. Get a circle of new friends, you will find them better than the friends you thought you had. Humans like to share a common bond. Sometimes that common bond is the religion they belong to. However claiming a friendship that is contingent on that common bond being in place, isn't a friendship in the true sense of the word.
Some of my closest friends, in the true sense of the word, are not in the same church as me.
Some people in the older generation shun, possibly not deliberately, but because of their lack of social ability and an inability to cope with the absence of what was once the common bond.
I have not noticed shunning in our church as a "church thing", but I have seen people shun others, and sometimes even within the church due to financial pressures, mental health issues, family dynamics etc.
I was at a funeral recently which was conducted by an Anglican. Some family members at the funeral had recently moved to the Presbyterians. I was with them when the Anglican Dean was talking with them, and there were jokes about it, and absolutely no hard feelings, or "elephants in the room." The funeral was interdenominational with participation by a Catholic Priest, Anglican Dean, and the Presbyterian Minister.
Recently I was talking to a worker who was telling me about a funeral he was to speak at, and the Baptist Minister offered to pray with him before the service. He accepted it and the two of them prayed together, because neither really knew the deceased, only the families. He said it was a lovely time, and they both benefited. This is how it should be.
A stark contrast to a funeral in Western Australia I watched on a video link that was hijacked by the worker, input from the families and eulogies were denied by him. Even the professional carers, and non-professing family members who cared for the deceased, and family members in NZ never got a mention.
Well said Prag. I also have the assurance from your posts & the congenial dialogue with you, that you are not a shunner!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:05:17 GMT -5
My father no longer professes. He did profess for many years. My mother never professed. The workers spent time with my parents and stayed at their house. It's been almost two years since my mother passed away. Not one worker or 2x2 has extended their condolences. My father admits that he did not reach out to anyone. He says my mother's obituary was in the local newspaper and there are 2x2's in the area that had to have read it. My father is hurt that those he knew and cared for and called friends would shun him because he no longer professes. My opinion is, par for the course. I am not in the least bit surprised. Where's the Christ-like behavior? Where's the love? been shunned its not fun....if you look hard enough in the bible there are verses that suggest its the proper thing to do when someone has gone wacko with their behavior...still very unpleasant...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:08:00 GMT -5
Shunning is primarily practiced by churches who endeavor to closely follow the example of the New Testament church described in the Bible. Among the very worldly churches with bands, entertainment, and sermons that barely reference the Bible, you will not find much shunning. Those to solemnly study the Word of God in detail tend to follow it and do lots of shunning. "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me." - Matthew 10:34-37
"Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed." - 2 Thessalonians 3:14
You must hand such a man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough? Clear away the old leaven so that you may be a new batch, inasmuch as you are free from ferment. For, indeed, Christ our Passover lamb has been sacrificed. … But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.” - 1 Corinthians 5:5-7, 11-13
"Hymenaeus and Alexander are among these, and I have handed them over to Satan so that they may be taught by discipline not to blaspheme." - 1 Timothy 1:20
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. Look out for yourselves, so that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward. Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. - 2 John 7-11even though your mocking christians the verses you post carry weight....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:17:05 GMT -5
Don't bother using the Bible Wally, use common sense, and common decency. There are many things written in the Bible that don't apply in this day and age. They may have been applicable 2000 years but not now. If you behaved the way they did then, you would get locked up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:22:55 GMT -5
Don't bother using the Bible Wally, use common sense, and common decency. There are many things written in the Bible that don't apply in this day and age. They may have been applicable 2000 years but not now. If you behaved the way they did then, you would get locked up. the bible is full of timeless wisdom you know that redback...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:31:03 GMT -5
A mixture of wisdom and balderdash. You have to be intelligent enough to sort it out for yourself. Don't believe everything you are told.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:44:35 GMT -5
A mixture of wisdom and balderdash. You have to be intelligent enough to sort it out for yourself. Don't believe everything you are told. 1Co_1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:59:39 GMT -5
Wally please explain. Unable to work that one out. Put it in your own words.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 20:18:09 GMT -5
Don't you just love it when you ask a question and the answer you get is a verse of scripture. People who can't think for themselves. I suppose they are being childlike, the way a child would behave.
I much prefer those who are good at social intercourse, sharing communion, thoughts and feelings. Much more grown up and sensible.
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Post by fixit on Jul 8, 2020 20:21:52 GMT -5
Don't you just love it when you ask a question and the answer you get is a verse of scripture. People who can't think for themselves. I suppose they are being childlike, the way a child would behave. I much prefer those who are good at social intercourse, sharing communion, thoughts and feelings. Much more grown up and sensible. I tend to be a bit cryptic at times. I probably assume the answer is obvious from the scripture quoted, when it may not be so obvious to others.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 20:23:35 GMT -5
Don't you just love it when you ask a question and the answer you get is a verse of scripture. People who can't think for themselves. I suppose they are being childlike, the way a child would behave. I much prefer those who are good at social intercourse, sharing communion, thoughts and feelings. Much more grown up and sensible. 1Co_1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 20:27:12 GMT -5
Wally please explain. Unable to work that one out. Put it in your own words. you implied at least parts of the bible are balderdash which is akin to saying foolish or nonsense or stupid now go back and read that verse for better understanding...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 21:20:19 GMT -5
Don't you just love it when you ask a question and the answer you get is a verse of scripture. People who can't think for themselves. I suppose they are being childlike, the way a child would behave. I much prefer those who are good at social intercourse, sharing communion, thoughts and feelings. Much more grown up and sensible. I have found in this day and age, sadly, some children don’t understand what a question is; they don’t know how to process what’s been said, to think & how to give an answer. At the other end of the spectrum, children can think for themselves.....& they don’t read from a book.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 8, 2020 21:30:55 GMT -5
Some religions, such as Scientologists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Amish and 2x2's, have formal policies to shun those who question or leave the religion. It is something practised by those in cult organisations. Certainly not Christian behaviour. Nobody should ever be set aside because they don't accept some man made belief system. The best way we found to get away from the hurt is move away from them. People with that mentality are not worth worrying about. Get a circle of new friends, you will find them better than the friends you thought you had. And those are just a few of the Christian religions. Think of all the other religions of the world that do this as well. It will take some time to change your own mental behaviours to get away from that exclusiveness. Meeting new people can be difficult for some, after being taught from childhood that you can not socialize with outsiders outside of work/school. How do you interact with people that think you're alien to their lifestyle? But in the end, it's worth it!
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Post by speak on Jul 8, 2020 21:37:04 GMT -5
We should always be guided by common sense and common decency. Basic human decency is being polite, courteous, civil, thoughtful, and using tact and diplomacy when with others, thus treating them as you wish to be treated. All that is true we should all be like that but we are not, even in posts on this board the basic human decency in being polite, courteous, civil, thoughtful, and using tact and diplomacy when with others, thus treating them as you wish to be treated. does not happen. I am not just speaking of those in the fellowship.
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WHY? Does quoting relevant scripture send the 2x2;s into sometimes a nasty response??
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 8, 2020 21:42:01 GMT -5
Annan,Know what that feels like. Love Magpie
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 8, 2020 21:43:02 GMT -5
We should always be guided by common sense and common decency. Basic human decency is being polite, courteous, civil, thoughtful, and using tact and diplomacy when with others, thus treating them as you wish to be treated. All that is true we should all be like that but we are not, even in posts on this board the basic human decency in being polite, courteous, civil, thoughtful, and using tact and diplomacy when with others, thus treating them as you wish to be treated. does not happen. It's human nature. And we are all human.
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Post by speak on Jul 8, 2020 21:44:39 GMT -5
All that is true we should all be like that but we are not, even in posts on this board the basic human decency in being polite, courteous, civil, thoughtful, and using tact and diplomacy when with others, thus treating them as you wish to be treated. does not happen. It's human nature. And we are all human. So why do people blame others for doing it when they do it themselves?
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Post by speak on Jul 8, 2020 21:47:06 GMT -5
Some religions, such as Scientologists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Amish and 2x2's, have formal policies to shun those who question or leave the religion. It is something practised by those in cult organisations. Certainly not Christian behaviour. Nobody should ever be set aside because they don't accept some man made belief system. The best way we found to get away from the hurt is move away from them. People with that mentality are not worth worrying about. Get a circle of new friends, you will find them better than the friends you thought you had. What is Christian behaviour? Did Christ include those who left Him?
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