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Post by fixit on Jul 15, 2020 5:40:46 GMT -5
I don't think so! Even the worker, the friends on here do NOT agree with your 2x2 non-exclusive belief... MOST of the people that pat you in the back and your posts are EXES and non-exclusive 2x2 believers in your own down under countries.
I disagree with most of the 40,000 Protestant denomination, and RCC doctrines, the readers KNOW that from my 20 years posting on TMB. You non-exclusive 2x2 like to twist things to infiltrate your agenda and push us 2x2 Jesus Exclusive out of the fellowship so your kind/non-exclusive 2x2s can take over and spread your Non-exclusive Virus to others in the 2x2 fellowship to destroy it.... by encouraging others to join the churches of your choice... TO take us/exclusive back to HELL holes.
The workers and the friends MUST beware and watch out for the non-exclusive 2x2s like you in our fellowship. They will destroy and cause confusion and chaos in Christ's New Testament ministry and fellowship and for the workers ministry.
Thanks for explaining why you have such a problem with me. When do you think exclusiveness started? You can be sure William Irvine didn't preach "come and join my one-true-way religion". The first member who joined would have doubled the size of the fellowship.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 15, 2020 6:26:05 GMT -5
I could be wrong, and stand corrected if so, but didn't Exclusivity come into being in the mid 1930s; wasn't it called the Living Witness doctrine?
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 15, 2020 8:06:09 GMT -5
I could be wrong, and stand corrected if so, but didn't Exclusivity come into being in the mid 1930s; wasn't it called the Living Witness doctrine? Exclusivity within Christianity goes back to the Apostles. As also quoted in the shunning thread: "Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed." - 2 Thessalonians 3:14 True and faithful professing people believe that exclusivity was always there. Including the time when the Truth was in hiding, and during the time after William Irvine's sister made contact and the men in Ireland helped the Truth grow rapidly. George Walker went into the work in 1899. He was there at what you would call the very beginning, or the faithful professing people would call the time when William Irvine's sister found the friends and workers hiding. In 1918, George Walker preached a sermon that people wrote down and later named "The TWO WAYS – The Right and True Way and The False Way".
You can read it on Cherie's website: www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_early/walker_notes.php#1918
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 9:05:04 GMT -5
I could be wrong, and stand corrected if so, but didn't Exclusivity come into being in the mid 1930s; wasn't it called the Living Witness doctrine? Nope. It started by John Long in 1898-1907 when he was excommunicated as a 2x2 non-exclusive worker, he became a Faith Mission member from 1989-1914.
~~ August, 1954: Testimony of an ex-2x2 Ida West from North Ireland
An interested person has asked me to tell my story with regard to my faith and the fellowship I have kept. My parents were John and Sarah West brought up in the Church of Ireland (Anglican). My father, for a time previous to his marriage, moved and worked among the Methodists. Soon after his marriage in 1901, he, Edward Cooney, Tom Betty and others, all of whom used to evangelize together, moved out of the sects to which they belonged, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian and so on, into fellowship with William Irvine, a Scottish Presbyterian evangelist in the Faith Mission, who was with others moving out of Faith Mission toward clearer light on New Testament teaching and practices.
They took the view that Christendom was confusion of which God was not the author. So they decided to go to Christendom and the world the way Jesus sent his apostles to Israel (Matthew 10) and to the world (Matthew 28). This is what the preachers did. My father, who did not go to preach, opened his heart and home to these preachers who sold their possessions, scattered their money to the poor and went out to preach by faith. Their message was repent, believe the gospel, follow the teaching and example of New Testament founders--Christ and the apostles. This move raised the opposition of clergy and leaders among the denominations, e.g. Church of Ireland, Methodists, Presbyterians, Salvation Army, Plymouth Brethren and others.
The young movement held the course to take was 'Come out of Babylon' which is confusion. By this they meant to refuse fellowship with the world, false teachers and systems because they contradicted the teaching and example of Christ and his apostles. Their opponents held that it was better to stay in and clean up inside; but they ignored the fact that principalities and powers need exposure and triumphing over (Col. 2:15). This could only be done by a fuller manifestation of Christ through willing witnesses which this people proved by bearing their cross representing Christ as He in bearing his cross represented or declared the Father. The movement grew and spread rapidly.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 9:11:54 GMT -5
I could be wrong, and stand corrected if so, but didn't Exclusivity come into being in the mid 1930s; wasn't it called the Living Witness doctrine? Exclusivity within Christianity goes back to the Apostles. As also quoted in the shunning thread: "Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed." - 2 Thessalonians 3:14 True and faithful professing people believe that exclusivity was always there. Including the time when the Truth was in hiding, and during the time after William Irvine's sister made contact and the men in Ireland helped the Truth grow rapidly. George Walker went into the work in 1899. He was there at what you would call the very beginning, or the faithful professing people would call the time when William Irvine's sister found the friends and workers hiding. In 1918, George Walker preached a sermon that people wrote down and later named "The TWO WAYS – The Right and True Way and The False Way".
You can read it on Cherie's website: www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_early/walker_notes.php#1918 I believe William Irvine's sister had met some group similar to the Faith Mission or the Faith Mission and told William Irvine about the 2x2 Jesus Christ New Testament church and fellowship then she told him about it before she died. William Irvine joined the Faith Mission group in 1895-1900.
~~ August, 1954: Testimony of an ex-2x2 Ida West from North Ireland An interested person has asked me to tell my story with regard to my faith and the fellowship I have kept. My parents were John and Sarah West brought up in the Church of Ireland (Anglican). My father, for a time previous to his marriage, moved and worked among the Methodists. Soon after his marriage in 1901, he, Edward Cooney, Tom Betty and others, all of whom used to evangelize together, moved out of the sects to which they belonged, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian and so on, into fellowship with William Irvine, a Scottish Presbyterian evangelist in the Faith Mission, who was with others moving out of Faith Mission toward clearer light on New Testament teaching and practices. They took the view that Christendom was confusion of which God was not the author. So they decided to go to Christendom and the world the way Jesus sent his apostles to Israel (Matthew 10) and to the world (Matthew 28). This is what the preachers did. My father, who did not go to preach, opened his heart and home to these preachers who sold their possessions, scattered their money to the poor and went out to preach by faith. Their message was repent, believe the gospel, follow the teaching and example of New Testament founders--Christ and the apostles. This move raised the opposition of clergy and leaders among the denominations, e.g. Church of Ireland, Methodists, Presbyterians, Salvation Army, Plymouth Brethren and others. The young movement held the course to take was 'Come out of Babylon' which is confusion. By this they meant to refuse fellowship with the world, false teachers and systems because they contradicted the teaching and example of Christ and his apostles. Their opponents held that it was better to stay in and clean up inside; but they ignored the fact that principalities and powers need exposure and triumphing over (Col. 2:15). This could only be done by a fuller manifestation of Christ through willing witnesses which this people proved by bearing their cross representing Christ as He in bearing his cross represented or declared the Father. The movement grew and spread rapidly.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 15, 2020 14:43:06 GMT -5
I could be wrong, and stand corrected if so, but didn't Exclusivity come into being in the mid 1930s; wasn't it called the Living Witness doctrine? Exclusivity within Christianity goes back to the Apostles. As also quoted in the shunning thread: "Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed." - 2 Thessalonians 3:14 True and faithful professing people believe that exclusivity was always there. Including the time when the Truth was in hiding, and during the time after William Irvine's sister made contact and the men in Ireland helped the Truth grow rapidly. George Walker went into the work in 1899. He was there at what you would call the very beginning, or the faithful professing people would call the time when William Irvine's sister found the friends and workers hiding. In 1918, George Walker preached a sermon that people wrote down and later named "The TWO WAYS – The Right and True Way and The False Way".
You can read it on Cherie's website: www.tellingthetruth.info/workers_early/walker_notes.php#1918Exclusivity has always applied to christianity in any form. It also applies to Judaism, Islam and possibly other religions. Exclusivity is borne from the arrogance of ignorance.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 15, 2020 16:05:10 GMT -5
"facing up to the riot squad" WHY SHOULD ANYONE EVER FEAR THAT WHEN EXPRESSING WHAT THEY BELIEVE?
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Post by fixit on Jul 15, 2020 18:11:50 GMT -5
I believe William Irvine's sister had met some group similar to the Faith Mission or the Faith Mission and told William Irvine about the 2x2 Jesus Christ New Testament church and fellowship then she told him about it before she died. William Irvine joined the Faith Mission group in 1895-1900. Can you point us to a credible source to substantiate your claim? Or is it speculation, wishful thinking, or lies?
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Post by fixit on Jul 15, 2020 18:24:39 GMT -5
I can see and read you guys and gal of 2x2 non-exclusive posts on TMB for many years.... Many have decided to leave the 2x2s and find the churches that fit their thinking and belief.... You 2x2 non-exclusive and us 2x2 exclusive are like day and night in belief and thinking in Jesus and apostles/workers New Testament ministry and fellowship... EVEN openingact is NOT a 2x2 have expressed his opinions what he has seen and read that you don't adhere to the early days and current workers exclusive doctrines but you are still claim part of the 2x2 fellowship... HOW COULD THAT BE?
I do agree with the workers exclusive of Jesus Christ New Testament apostles/workers ministry and fellowship 100%. I agree with MOST of the workers doctrines that they HOLD and TEACH.... You 2x2 non-exclusive friends DO NOT.
You non-exclusive 2x2 believers and us/2x2 exclusive DO NOT having the same Spirit, we might attend the same gospel meetings, and Sunday morning meetings but we are NOT ONE in heart, mind and Spirit. Even, many EXES on here can tell and have expressed their thoughts how 2x2s have changed because of you non-2x2 exclusive. They thought this is a DIFFERENT church than they once worshipped because of you non-exclusive belief, you can join the churches of your choice, once saved always saved doctrine, all religions/and 40,000 plus denominations and RCC lead to God and Christ.
And it’s nutcases like you who prompt people to write magazine articles about the weird cult, the dangerous cult , the scary cult. It’s people like you that draw media attention to your church. It’s not all CSA that draws bad publicity. Your self centredness and pigheadedness is appalling IMO. Time to reset your mindset. You would make others run a mile from your church. Who would want to belong to a madman’s church. Yes, fanatics like Nathan think the church would be better off if all were like them. Not so. The church would destroy itself even faster than it is already.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 18:40:10 GMT -5
I believe William Irvine's sister had met some group similar to the Faith Mission or the Faith Mission and told William Irvine about the 2x2 Jesus Christ New Testament church and fellowship then she told him about it before she died. William Irvine joined the Faith Mission group in 1895-1900. Can you point us to a credible source to substantiate your claim? Or is it speculation, j wishful thinking, or lies? ** No lies, no wishful thinking, no conspiracies theories, no science fiction and no speculation either.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 15, 2020 18:44:28 GMT -5
And it’s nutcases like you who prompt people to write magazine articles about the weird cult, the dangerous cult , the scary cult. It’s people like you that draw media attention to your church. It’s not all CSA that draws bad publicity. Your self centredness and pigheadedness is appalling IMO. Time to reset your mindset. You would make others run a mile from your church. Who would want to belong to a madman’s church. Yes, fanatics like Nathan think the church would be better off if all were like them. Not so. The church would destroy itself even faster than it is already. There's a relevant term for that: religious fanatic. A mania that obsesses on religious meaning in everything.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 15, 2020 19:01:14 GMT -5
Can you point us to a credible source to substantiate your claim? Or is it speculation, j wishful thinking, or lies? ** No lies, no wishful thinking, no conspiracies theories, no science fiction and no speculation either. It would be so unlike you to provide anything but lies.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 19:14:43 GMT -5
And it’s nutcases like you who prompt people to write magazine articles about the weird cult, the dangerous cult , the scary cult. It’s people like you that draw media attention to your church. It’s not all CSA that draws bad publicity. Your self centredness and pigheadedness is appalling IMO. Time to reset your mindset. You would make others run a mile from your church. Who would want to belong to a madman’s church. Yes, fanatics like Nathan think the church would be better off if all were like them. Not so. The church would destroy itself even faster than it is already. *** The Workers/apostles and the friends like me have preserved Jesus 2x2 ministry and the New Testament fellowship through the centuries even in our days and generation and the next and next to the time of Jesus returns. Jesus said to the apostles, Upon this ROCK/Jesus I will build MY CHURCH and the gates of HELL shall NOT overcome it." Jesus is telling the truth, he has raised up men and women to carry out His plans and eill in every generation through the centuries.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 15, 2020 22:03:36 GMT -5
Yes, fanatics like Nathan think the church would be better off if all were like them. Not so. The church would destroy itself even faster than it is already. *** The Workers/apostles and the friends like me have preserved Jesus 2x2 ministry and the New Testament fellowship through the centuries even in our days and generation and the next and next to the time of Jesus returns. Jesus said to the apostles, Upon this ROCK/Jesus I will build MY CHURCH and the gates of HELL shall NOT overcome it." Jesus is telling the truth, he has raised up men and women to carry out His plans and eill in every generation through the centuries. Okay....so who are these "Workers and friends like you " nathan ? Have you converted them overnight to believe JC lives in Venus ? Also if they are like you, why don't you speak about what you spruik here in a Sunday Morning meeting?
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 22:19:32 GMT -5
*** The Workers/apostles and the friends like me have preserved Jesus 2x2 ministry and the New Testament fellowship through the centuries even in our days and generation and the next and next to the time of Jesus returns. Jesus said to the apostles, Upon this ROCK/Jesus I will build MY CHURCH and the gates of HELL shall NOT overcome it." Jesus is telling the truth, he has raised up men and women to carry out His plans and eill in every generation through the centuries. Okay....so who are these "Workers and friends like you " nathan ? Have you converted them overnight to believe JC lives in Venus ? Also if they are like you, why don't you speak about what you spruik here in a Sunday Morning meeting? I was talking about Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers New Test. ministry and Sunday morning Worship and fellowship. The 2x2s can't handle Jesus lives Interior planet of Venus but they accept he is in heaven. I tried different things I that I mentioned on here but they are NOT ready.... closed minded like most of you on here so I let them stay where they are Jesus lives in heaven. You can lead the horse to the water but can't force to drink it.... just like most people on TMB.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 15, 2020 22:25:46 GMT -5
Isn't that hiding, what you would perceive it to be, your light under a bushel?
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 22:35:20 GMT -5
Isn't that hiding, what you would perceive it to be, your light under a bushel? How can it be hiding when I have spoken these things over 20 years openly/publicly and many of the workers and friends have READ it for themselves on TMB. Is that what You call that hiding under a bushel or under the bed? Are you Ok.
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Post by Grant on Jul 15, 2020 22:47:34 GMT -5
Okay....so who are these "Workers and friends like you " nathan ? Have you converted them overnight to believe JC lives in Venus ? Also if they are like you, why don't you speak about what you spruik here in a Sunday Morning meeting? I was talking about Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers New Test. ministry and Sunday morning Worship and fellowship. The 2x2s can't handle Jesus lives Interior planet of Venus but they accept he is in heaven. I tried different things I that I mentioned on here but they are NOT ready.... closed minded like most of you on here so I let them stay where they are Jesus lives in heaven. You can lead the horse to the water but can't force to drink it.... just like most people on TMB.
Why don't you believe in the book of Mormon, Nathan or Quran --- closed mind?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 15, 2020 22:49:32 GMT -5
Isn't that hiding, what you would perceive it to be, your light under a bushel? How can it be hiding when I have spoken these things over 20 years openly/publicly and many of the workers and friends have READ it for themselves on TMB. Is that what You call that hiding under a bushel or under the bed? Are you Ok.It's one thing to speak of it here on TMB. It's an entirely different matter to speak of it at a sunday morning meeting. I would say your feet would not touch the ground once the workers or the elder threw you through the front door.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 22:55:40 GMT -5
I was talking about Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers New Test. ministry and Sunday morning Worship and fellowship. The 2x2s can't handle Jesus lives Interior planet of Venus but they accept he is in heaven. I tried different things I that I mentioned on here but they are NOT ready.... closed minded like most of you on here so I let them stay where they are Jesus lives in heaven. You can lead the horse to the water but can't force to drink it.... just like most people on TMB.
Why don't you believe in the book of Mormon, Nathan or Quran --- closed mind? Jesus Christ is closed mind God, don't you think? God said in Exodus 34:14 "You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you."
God the Father and Christ/God are VERY closed mind Yahweh God whom the believers serve and worship.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 22:57:37 GMT -5
How can it be hiding when I have spoken these things over 20 years openly/publicly and many of the workers and friends have READ it for themselves on TMB. Is that what You call that hiding under a bushel or under the bed? Are you Ok. It's one thing to speak of it here on TMB. It's an entirely different matter to speak of it at a sunday morning meeting. I would say your feet would not touch the ground once the workers or the elder threw you through the front door. I spoke some of these things in the Sunday and Union meetings already. they are NOT READY to receive it, too much information for their minds to TAKE Jesus lives inside Venus/heaven.
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Post by Grant on Jul 15, 2020 22:58:47 GMT -5
Why don't you believe in the book of Mormon, Nathan or Quran --- closed mind? Jesus Christ is closed mind God, don't you think? God said in Exodus 34:14 "You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you."
God the Father and Christ/God are VERY closed mind Yahweh God whom the believers serve and worship.
So those in meetings and who don't accept your Jesus lives in venus stuff are on the right track after all with their closed minds.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 15, 2020 23:03:24 GMT -5
It's one thing to speak of it here on TMB. It's an entirely different matter to speak of it at a sunday morning meeting. I would say your feet would not touch the ground once the workers or the elder threw you through the front door. I spoke some of these things in the Sunday and Union meetings already. they are NOT READY to receive it, too much information for their minds to TAKE Jesus lives inside Venus/heaven.I don't believe you on this. But if it's true, it sounds like they may just dismiss what you say as they would from someone not entirely in touch with reality.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 23:05:14 GMT -5
Jesus Christ is closed mind God, don't you think? God said in Exodus 34:14 "You must worship no other gods, for the LORD, whose very name is Jealous, is a God who is jealous about his relationship with you."
God the Father and Christ/God are VERY closed mind Yahweh God whom the believers serve and worship.
So those in meetings and is who don't accept your Jesus lives in venus stuff are on the right track after all with their closed minds. Yes, they like to believe Jesus is in heaven and NOT Inside of Venus... So, let them believe Jesus is in heaven that is good enough for me.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 23:09:05 GMT -5
I spoke some of these things in the Sunday and Union meetings already. they are NOT READY to receive it, too much information for their minds to TAKE Jesus lives inside Venus/heaven. I don't believe you on this. But if it's true, it sounds like they may just dismiss what you say as they would from someone not entirely in touch with reality. I tried to speak other things and it too much information for them... I spoke Eve was NOT Adam first wife and gave them verses in Genesis... The shocked that looked on their faces.... like many of the folks on here when I mentioned it in the past . Snow, is the few that agrees with me on that.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 15, 2020 23:23:42 GMT -5
Isn't that hiding, what you would perceive it to be, your light under a bushel? How can it be hiding when I have spoken these things over 20 years openly/publicly and many of the workers and friends have READ it for themselves on TMB. Is that what You call that hiding under a bushel or under the bed? Are you Ok.I was talking about your Sunday morning meeting...hiding your light from them.
If you think they were not "ready for it" (your humility in being so more enlightened than they is beyond belief), what makes you think others on here are "ready for it". No blowback from workers on here maybe?
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 23:27:52 GMT -5
How can it be hiding when I have spoken these things over 20 years openly/publicly and many of the workers and friends have READ it for themselves on TMB. Is that what You call that hiding under a bushel or under the bed? Are you Ok. I was talking about your Sunday morning meeting...hiding your light from them.
If you think they were not "ready for it" (your humility in being so more enlightened than they is beyond belief), what makes you think others on here are "ready for it". No blowback from workers on here maybe?
I did NOT hide I tried but they are NOT ready to receive it... The information is TOO MUCH for them to take like most of you on TMB for 20 years and still can't take it today. Look at Curly and Annan's polls... Jesus lives inside Venus... there are 6 votes on Curly's poll and 7 votes on Annan's poll... That is a very good progress, eh. There are maybe more out there.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 15, 2020 23:29:24 GMT -5
I was talking about your Sunday morning meeting...hiding your light from them. If you think they were not "ready for it" (your humility in being so more enlightened than they is beyond belief), what makes you think others on here are "ready for it". No blowback from workers on here maybe?
I did NOT hide I tried but they are NOT ready to receive it... The information is TOO MUCH for them to take like most of you on TMB for 20 years and still can't take it today. Look at Curly and Annan's polls... Jesus lives inside Venus... there are 6 votes on Curly's poll and 7 votes on Annan's poll... That is a very good progress, eh. There are maybe more out there. L. Ron Hubbard has a big lead on you.
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