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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 14:56:53 GMT -5
Nathan using words like I have highlighted bring no credibility to your story or yourself in fact they degrade you and your story. ** If the shoes fit wear it. www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 16:00:31 GMT -5
** If the shoes fit wear it. www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek.*** Hmmmmm... According to Jude 14-15 when Jesus RETURNS as KING of kings and LORD of lords on earth, no more slapping on his face, spitting on him, and stab him on the side, this time he will TAKE revenge on His enemies with vengence.
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Post by Annan on Jul 12, 2020 16:03:03 GMT -5
www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.htmlA word about the “slap” that Jesus says we should endure. Jesus here speaks of personal slights of any kind. The slap (or the “smiting,” as the KJV has it) does not have to involve literal, physical violence. Even in our day, a “slap in the face” is a metaphor for an unexpected insult or offense. Did someone insult you? Let him, Jesus says. Are you shocked and offended? Don’t be. And don’t return insult for insult. Turn the other cheek. *** Hmmmmm... According to Jude 14-15 when Jesus RETURNS as KING of kings and LORD of lords on earth, no more slapping on his face, spitting on him, and stab him on the side, this time he will TAKE revenge on His enemies with vengence. Seems you're a bit too gleeful looking forward to Jesus's return, Nathan. No surprise there. So all Jesus's preaching about being meek and humble and turning the other cheek is a bunch of bull sh-? He wants us submissive while he is a ruthless dictator planning his revenge?
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 16:54:11 GMT -5
*** Hmmmmm... According to Jude 14-15 when Jesus RETURNS as KING of kings and LORD of lords on earth, no more slapping on his face, spitting on him, and stab him on the side, this time he will TAKE revenge on His enemies with vengence. Seems you're a bit too gleeful looking forward to Jesus's return, Nathan. No surprise there. So all Jesus's preaching about being meek and humble and turning the other cheek is a bunch of bull sh-? He wants us submissive while he is a ruthless dictator planning his revenge? ** Just the fact and reality of life to come... The WRATH of, the LAMB of God will pour out on his enemies. We read in the book of revelation in heaven where the believers souls cried out to God to avenge their deaths from those on the earth and God said He will take his revenge on their enemies.
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Post by speak on Jul 12, 2020 18:04:38 GMT -5
Nathan using words like I have highlighted bring no credibility to your story or yourself in fact they degrade you and your story. ** If the shoes fit wear it. Seems like you are.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 19:44:47 GMT -5
** If the shoes fit wear it. Seems like you are. And you too.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 13, 2020 7:24:11 GMT -5
Seems you're a bit too gleeful looking forward to Jesus's return, Nathan. No surprise there. So all Jesus's preaching about being meek and humble and turning the other cheek is a bunch of bull sh-? He wants us submissive while he is a ruthless dictator planning his revenge? ** Just the fact and reality of life to come... The WRATH of, the LAMB of God will pour out on his enemies. We read in the book of revelation in heaven where the believers souls cried out to God to avenge their deaths from those on the earth and God said He will take his revenge on their enemies. There are many who see themselves as alright but they may not be before God! Matthew 7 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 13, 2020 19:38:17 GMT -5
** Just the fact and reality of life to come... The WRATH of, the LAMB of God will pour out on his enemies. We read in the book of revelation in heaven where the believers souls cried out to God to avenge their deaths from those on the earth and God said He will take his revenge on their enemies. There are many who see themselves as alright but they may not be before God! Matthew 7 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity The real kicker is that NONE of them have a clue it may be THEM -- NONE OF THEM. Who is not vulnerable?
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Post by Gene on Jul 13, 2020 20:16:39 GMT -5
I have come to the conclusion that perhaps Nathan continues to feed on the idea because it gets our reactions. If we just ignored him he would not have anything that he could use to get the attention that perhaps he craves. Precisely. It takes two sides to argue incessantly. Either party has the power to stop the silliness.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 13, 2020 21:04:04 GMT -5
I have come to the conclusion that perhaps Nathan continues to feed on the idea because it gets our reactions. If we just ignored him he would not have anything that he could use to get the attention that perhaps he craves. Precisely. It takes two sides to argue incessantly. Either party has the power to stop the silliness. Just don't reply. By now he has all of his talking points used up anyway.
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Post by bailey on Jul 13, 2020 21:15:13 GMT -5
~~ A true born again believer MUST have all three MOST important thing: First Jesus Christ as your Savior. Secondly, personal individual relationship with the Godhead and lastly, be part fellowship of His/their New Testament sheep pen/fold then His blood will continually cleanse us daily. What scripure do you back up those claims with? Hey nathan ummm the first scripture that stands out the most is hebrews 13:5 I will never leave you nor forsake you. He often speaks this to me when i'm not very hearty or totally unhearty. The word NEVER stands out.. it doesnt say he will forsake you if you leave the fellow ship. I don't say its good to leave the fellowship but if one does God still has this promise to his children. 2 timothy 2 19 never the less the foundation of God standeth for sure. having this seal the Lord knoweth them that are his. and let every one that nameth the name of christ depart from iniquity... the seal stands out to me. a true born again believer has this seal whether in iniquity or departed from iniquity. and then it says in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver but also those of wood and clay. some for honorable use and some for dishonorable. It speaks about the foundation . which is jesus christ. if our works are burned we still have him as the foundation. today while working he gave me a verse for me to think about 2nd tim 3;16 all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof for correction, for instruction in righteousness. I like this word inspiration. what ever scripture we read its from inspiration from God. something that would inspire us to do well. when i first started this thread god gave me a verse from peter about letting the saints know how to answer those who would ask questions about the hope that was in them. this request was an inspiration. lets say a saint is unable to answer the questions or he answers the questions incorrectly? does this mean punishment from God? And lets say he or she would rather let the way one lives speak for them, thats good right? and the saint says if you dont mind i'd rather have you talk to our ministers they give themselves full time to this type of work and can probably do better at explaining then i can. any ways the point is peters request was an inspiration for saints to be able to do this. but if they cant they cant it could be worse right? same as scriptures that say dont forsake the assembly of the believers, its an inspiration a goal some thing to obtain to, but if not the person still has gods seal and this foundation of jesus in ones life. he may be a wooden vessel in gods house and out of fellow ship but In my experience gods promise he will never leave me nor forsake me what ever short comings i have. I'm not condemed to hell because im uninspired in some things and Gods goals for me i fall short from. I have his seal and he is my foundation and he still tries to inspire me. No matter what it might seem like to some one else. also theres people like joseph who wasn't in his fathers house having fellow ship with them but was sold a slave and with out the fellowship, then in ruth Naomi and her husband left the fellow ship but god was still with them and they brought back ruth...my thoughts anyways. i know theres much more. to me theres some thing a lot worse than leaving the fellowship and that is maybe lieing about the 2 by 2s history and William Irving. thats a very blatant bold lie people were told and began telling the lie themselves that this faith was passed down from generation to genration. Big Red Flag. Big Fat Cult, Some of us have never fully recovered from that one. And have had difficulties with extreme dought of the revelation that one recieved in Gospel meetings... you know the scripture such are false apostles lieing in wait to decieve. That one is a hard one to over come even with all the god experiences one might have. very damaging, plus the pedifile stuff shunning excomunivcation ect.....but some how the God I met because of the two by twos has always had a hold on me and inspite of it all im sad to say i havent found any thing better, ive often tried to figure out how decieved i am or what? even with all my experiences. thanks for listening.
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Post by fixit on Jul 13, 2020 22:45:30 GMT -5
Hey bailey, if you make the effort to break your post into paragraphs (lots of them) then I'll make the effort to read it.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 14, 2020 3:01:17 GMT -5
There are many who see themselves as alright but they may not be before God! Matthew 7 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity The real kicker is that NONE of them have a clue it may be THEM -- NONE OF THEM. Who is not vulnerable? Everyone has a conscience and those who profess to know God and follow Jesus should be reading the Bible, so they will have the read what we are to do to follow Jesus. But anyone who thinks they can live as they please and carry on wilfully sinning once they know the truth and follow Jesus are mistaken. We have to do more than just say we believe, we are to live it out, live by the word of God, and and if we truly love him from our hearts, we will care for others also.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 14, 2020 11:23:54 GMT -5
The real kicker is that NONE of them have a clue it may be THEM -- NONE OF THEM. Who is not vulnerable? Everyone has a conscience and those who profess to know God and follow Jesus should be reading the Bible, so they will have the read what we are to do to follow Jesus. But anyone who thinks they can live as they please and carry on wilfully sinning once they know the truth and follow Jesus are mistaken. We have to do more than just say we believe, we are to live it out, live by the word of God, and and if we truly love him from our hearts, we will care for others also. And there in lies the beginnings of exclusiveness. It's all about people who have a conscience and "PROFESS TO KNOW YOUR gOD" What about the millions and millions of people down through the ages who had a conscience but through no fault of their own had never heard of your god.
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Post by bailey on Jul 14, 2020 18:15:40 GMT -5
Hey bailey, if you make the effort to break your post into paragraphs (lots of them) then I'll make the effort to read it. its ok i was talking to nathan anyways no big deal ill try to do better next time tks.
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Post by iam on Jul 14, 2020 20:13:40 GMT -5
these three things you think are necessary? I use to be in fellowship with the two by twos for 13 years and haven't had fellowship with them for 25 years and god speaks to me daily Nathan. just yesterday Gods Spirit (the one i received in the two by two gospel meeting) spoke to me with part of one of your hymns. Twice during that day wash me oh lamb of God wash me from sin I long to be like you all pure with in. Just goes to show you learn something new everyday some times eh? He's always been my guide with out the fellowship part imagine that? how can this be? Why has the two by two God been in my life for 25 years after i left and refuses to depart me? Didn't mean to speak about this but look at what you've said and look at the reality. Here are some writing of the apostle John for you to THINK about concerning about the fellowship and believers in the New Testament. Your belief is totally against the teachings of Jesus and the apostles/workers. I John 1:1-7
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete.
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. ~~ According to the teachings of the apostle John and Jesus that The NEW Testament believers must have fellowship/relationship with God, Christ, Holy Spirit and have Fellowship with believers, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ, his son CLEANSE us from ALL SINS. If they depart from the fellowship with believers then the BLOOD of Jesus will NOT cleanse from ALL sins.
You're wrong because you don't understand many things about Jesus. If there are people that think the way you do in the church, many will be turned away. "Make YOUR paths straight,lest the lame be turned out of the way." That's a spiritual situation. For some, they are out because of the dangers that have gotten IN. You can't help anyone to believe in your faith if you constantly sit in judgment.
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Post by nathan on Jul 14, 2020 20:27:51 GMT -5
Here are some writing of the apostle John for you to THINK about concerning about the fellowship and believers in the New Testament. Your belief is totally against the teachings of Jesus and the apostles/workers. I John 1:1-7
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete.
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. ~~ According to the teachings of the apostle John and Jesus that The NEW Testament believers must have fellowship/relationship with God, Christ, Holy Spirit and have Fellowship with believers, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ, his son CLEANSE us from ALL SINS. If they depart from the fellowship with believers then the BLOOD of Jesus will NOT cleanse from ALL sins.
You're wrong because you don't understand many things about Jesus. If there are people that think the way you do in the church, many will be turned away. "Make YOUR paths straight, lest the lame be turned out of the way." That's a spiritual situation. For some, they are out because of the dangers that have gotten IN. You can't help anyone to believe in your faith if you constantly sit in judgment. You can believe your non-exclusive 2x2 belief and I believe the early workers and current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings. I leave the Judgment to God and Christ to decide.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 14, 2020 22:39:23 GMT -5
You're wrong because you don't understand many things about Jesus. If there are people that think the way you do in the church, many will be turned away. "Make YOUR paths straight, lest the lame be turned out of the way." That's a spiritual situation. For some, they are out because of the dangers that have gotten IN. You can't help anyone to believe in your faith if you constantly sit in judgment. You can believe your non-exclusive 2x2 belief and I believe the early workers and current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings. I leave the Judgment to God and Christ to decide.
The thing is that you don't believe the "current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings". (And I would suggest that the word exclusive is your own, as I do not hear the workers preach that here, and they haven't done so for many years)
You take some of what they say, and then add all your own stuff to it, which if you vocalised those beliefs in a meeting, you'd be facing up to the riot squad in no time at all.
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Post by iam on Jul 14, 2020 22:40:09 GMT -5
You're wrong because you don't understand many things about Jesus. If there are people that think the way you do in the church, many will be turned away. "Make YOUR paths straight, lest the lame be turned out of the way." That's a spiritual situation. For some, they are out because of the dangers that have gotten IN. You can't help anyone to believe in your faith if you constantly sit in judgment. You can believe your non-exclusive 2x2 belief and I believe the early workers and current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings. I leave the Judgment to God and Christ to decide.
You err plus you sit in judgment and you do not know what I know of the early workers. I don't know where you got your leaven from but you have been influenced not by what was right in the early workers but some things that were wrong. And that leads to other beliefs that are wrong. But you will defend your beliefs like any staunch Catholic or other religious entity. That's not Jesus.
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Post by iam on Jul 14, 2020 22:43:41 GMT -5
You can believe your non-exclusive 2x2 belief and I believe the early workers and current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings. I leave the Judgment to God and Christ to decide.
The thing is that you don't believe the "current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings". (And I would suggest that the word exclusive is your own, as I do not hear the workers preach that here, and they haven't done so for many years)
You take some of what they say, and then add all your own stuff to it, which if you vocalised those beliefs in a meeting, you'd be facing up to the riot squad in no time at all.
From where we have lived, he wouldn't be facing the riot squad but he would be seen as a harmless wing nut and probably that would cause shunning. Which may be why TMB is a place to turn to. I personally hate shunning for any reason.
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Post by nathan on Jul 14, 2020 22:59:59 GMT -5
You can believe your non-exclusive 2x2 belief and I believe the early workers and current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings. I leave the Judgment to God and Christ to decide.
The thing is that you don't believe the "current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings". (And I would suggest that the word exclusive is your own, as I do not hear the workers preach that here, and they haven't done so for many years)
You take some of what they say, and then add all your own stuff to it, which if you vocalised those beliefs in a meeting, you'd be facing up to the riot squad in no time at all.
So, Your down under workers and most of you 2x2s must be non-2x2 exclusive now, eh... Going the way of John Long ex-2x2 workers who got excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship in 1907. That is so sad, the early days workers and friends must be rolling in their graves now. I predict within the next 20 years many of the friends and some workers down under will join other churches with the rate you guys are going.
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Post by nathan on Jul 14, 2020 23:07:37 GMT -5
The thing is that you don't believe the "current Jesus and the apostles/workers New Testament exclusive belief and teachings". (And I would suggest that the word exclusive is your own, as I do not hear the workers preach that here, and they haven't done so for many years)
You take some of what they say, and then add all your own stuff to it, which if you vocalised those beliefs in a meeting, you'd be facing up to the riot squad in no time at all.
From where we have lived, he wouldn't be facing the riot squad but he would be seen as a harmless wing nut and probably that would cause shunning. Which may be why TMB is a place to turn to. I personally hate shunning for any reason. You are another 2x2 non-exclusive we have in the U.S.... Oh, God help us. It's spreading like Corvid-19 pandemic around the world. I hope and pray the workers will do something about it before it too late.... the 2x2 will become like the Faith Mission... Join the churches of your choice! YIKES! I would rather go back and be a Buddhist before I rejoin to any 40,000 plus protestant denominations or the RCC= WHAT a religious MESS of Christ's Church so called bodies of believers!
2x2s please don't let the 2x2 non-exclusive friends and workers take over the group with their belief or WE/2x2s as a group are DONE. The 2x2s non-exclusive will destroy Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and fellowship.... Remember, Brandon non-2x2 exclusive from Texas... Look what he did at convention and in his Sunday morning fellowship meeting, he caused Chaos and confusion.... We can see and read these non-exclusive 2x2 post through the years on TMB, many eventually leave the 2x2s fellowship and find the church of their choice like Brandon and those like him.
The workers and the friends did the RIGHT thing when they excommunicated John Long, a Faith Mission non-exclusive worker from the ministry and fellowship in 1907. John Long sent his 2x2s converts to join the churches of their choice and MOST of the 2x2s and workers disagreed with his non-exclusive belief. At that convention 0f 200 friends and workers only 1 friend stood by/with John Long.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 14, 2020 23:36:15 GMT -5
From where we have lived, he wouldn't be facing the riot squad but he would be seen as a harmless wing nut and probably that would cause shunning. Which may be why TMB is a place to turn to. I personally hate shunning for any reason. You are another 2x2 non-exclusive we have in the U.S.... Oh, God help us. It's spreading like Corvid-19 pandemic around the world. I hope and pray the workers will do something about it before it too late.... the 2x2 will become like the Faith Mission... Join the churches of your choice! YIKES! I would rather go back and be a Buddhist before I rejoin to any 40,000 plus protestant denominations or the RCC= WHAT a religious MESS of Christ's Church!
2x2s please don't let the 2x2 non-exclusive friends and workers take over the group with their belief or WE/2x2s as a group are DONE. The 2x2s non-exclusive will destroy Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and fellowship.... Remember, Brandon non-2x2 exclusive from Texas... Look what he did at convention and in his Sunday morning fellowship meeting, he caused Chaos and confusion.... We can see and read these non-exclusive 2x2 post through the years on TMB, many eventually leave the 2x2s fellowship and find the church of their choice like Brandon and those like him.
The workers and the friends did the RIGHT thing when they excommunicated John Long, a Faith Mission non-exclusive worker from the ministry and fellowship. John Long sent his 2x2s converts to join the churches of their choice.
Can you not see that you are a different denomination to me, and others here who are "members" of the church? Churches start when someone belives differently, cannot reconcile, so branch off. (Or they see it as a chance to monetise!) You believe differently to probably 99% of the rest of the church.
Exclusivity and fundamentalism will die, as it does not stand up under scrutiny or critical thinking. A large number of Hymns in the "Old and New" were not written by those in the church. Were they telling porkies about their experiences? How can you sing the Hymns that non-church members wrote?
Of course, repeating the mantra of "few there be that are saved", one day you might be by yourself, looking in the mirror and still repeating the mantra, and wondering where everyone has gone.
I could say more, but I'll let others have their bit to say on this.
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Post by fixit on Jul 15, 2020 1:04:56 GMT -5
From where we have lived, he wouldn't be facing the riot squad but he would be seen as a harmless wing nut and probably that would cause shunning. Which may be why TMB is a place to turn to. I personally hate shunning for any reason. You are another 2x2 non-exclusive we have in the U.S.... Oh, God help us. It's spreading like Corvid-19 pandemic around the world. I hope and pray the workers will do something about it before it too late.... the 2x2 will become like the Faith Mission... Join the churches of your choice! YIKES! I would rather go back and be a Buddhist before I rejoin to any 40,000 plus protestant denominations or the RCC= WHAT a religious MESS of Christ's Church so called bodies of believers!
2x2s please don't let the 2x2 non-exclusive friends and workers take over the group with their belief or WE/2x2s as a group are DONE. The 2x2s non-exclusive will destroy Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and fellowship.... Remember, Brandon non-2x2 exclusive from Texas... Look what he did at convention and in his Sunday morning fellowship meeting, he caused Chaos and confusion.... We can see and read these non-exclusive 2x2 post through the years on TMB, many eventually leave the 2x2s fellowship and find the church of their choice like Brandon and those like him.
The workers and the friends did the RIGHT thing when they excommunicated John Long, a Faith Mission non-exclusive worker from the ministry and fellowship in 1907. John Long sent his 2x2s converts to join the churches of their choice and MOST of the 2x2s and workers disagreed with his non-exclusive belief. At that convention 0f 200 friends and workers only 1 friend stood by/with John Long.
You have much more in common with most of the 40,000 plus Protestant denominations and the Catholic Church than I do. The early workers left behind creeds and religious theory, prefering the simplicity that is in Christ, to walk humbly with their God. Sam Jones expressed it well in hymns that he wrote: 1. The truth of God so precious, I value more each day, As with a contrite heart I walk With Jesus in the way; The lowly way, which most despise, I glory now to tread; Anointed eyes see always— Jesus ahead. 2. The path of life, I’ve found it In Jesus most complete; Though now cast out and suff’ring, His fellowship is sweet; He’s God’s own plan and pattern, The new and living way; My joy it is to follow With Him each day. 3. I’m glad He ever found me And came to dwell within, The stronger than the strong man, Who saves me now from sin; ’Twas life I got, not theory, His voice I did obey, And entered in by Jesus— God’s only way. 4. Now I’ve a tender Shepherd, Who leads to pastures new; His voice, it is my comfort, His hand, ’tis strong and true; I long to follow closer, Still nearer to His side, I never can forsake Him— He is my Guide.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 1:18:04 GMT -5
You are another 2x2 non-exclusive we have in the U.S.... Oh, God help us. It's spreading like Corvid-19 pandemic around the world. I hope and pray the workers will do something about it before it too late.... the 2x2 will become like the Faith Mission... Join the churches of your choice! YIKES! I would rather go back and be a Buddhist before I rejoin to any 40,000 plus protestant denominations or the RCC= WHAT a religious MESS of Christ's Church!
2x2s please don't let the 2x2 non-exclusive friends and workers take over the group with their belief or WE/2x2s as a group are DONE. The 2x2s non-exclusive will destroy Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and fellowship.... Remember, Brandon non-2x2 exclusive from Texas... Look what he did at convention and in his Sunday morning fellowship meeting, he caused Chaos and confusion.... We can see and read these non-exclusive 2x2 post through the years on TMB, many eventually leave the 2x2s fellowship and find the church of their choice like Brandon and those like him.
The workers and the friends did the RIGHT thing when they excommunicated John Long, a Faith Mission non-exclusive worker from the ministry and fellowship. John Long sent his 2x2s converts to join the churches of their choice.
Can you not see that you are a different denomination to me, and others here who are "members" of the church? Churches start when someone believes differently, cannot reconcile, so branch off. (Or they see it as a chance to monetise!) You believe differently to probably 99% of the rest of the church.
Exclusivity and fundamentalism will die, as it does not stand up under scrutiny or critical thinking. A large number of Hymns in the "Old and New" were not written by those in the church. Were they telling porkies about their experiences? How can you sing the Hymns that non-church members wrote?
Of course, repeating the mantra of "few there be that are saved", one day you might be by yourself, looking in the mirror and still repeating the mantra, and wondering where everyone has gone.
I could say more, but I'll let others have their bit to say on this.
I can see and read you guys and gal of 2x2 non-exclusive posts on TMB for many years.... Many have decided to leave the 2x2s and find the churches that fit their thinking and belief.... You 2x2 non-exclusive and us 2x2 exclusive are like day and night in belief and thinking in Jesus and apostles/workers New Testament ministry and fellowship... EVEN openingact is NOT a 2x2 have expressed his opinions what he has seen and read that you don't adhere to the early days and current workers exclusive doctrines but you are still claim part of the 2x2 fellowship... HOW COULD THAT BE?
I do agree with the workers exclusive of Jesus Christ New Testament apostles/workers ministry and fellowship 100%. I agree with MOST of the workers doctrines that they HOLD and TEACH.... You 2x2 non-exclusive friends DO NOT.
You non-exclusive 2x2 believers and us/2x2 exclusive DO NOT having the same Spirit, we might attend the same gospel meetings, and Sunday morning meetings but we are NOT ONE in heart, mind and Spirit. Even, many EXES on here can tell and have expressed their thoughts how 2x2s have changed because of you non-2x2 exclusive. They thought this is a DIFFERENT church than they once worshipped because of you non-exclusive belief, you can join the churches of your choice, once saved always saved doctrine, all religions/and 40,000 plus denominations and RCC lead to God and Christ.
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Post by nathan on Jul 15, 2020 1:21:23 GMT -5
You are another 2x2 non-exclusive we have in the U.S.... Oh, God help us. It's spreading like Corvid-19 pandemic around the world. I hope and pray the workers will do something about it before it too late.... the 2x2 will become like the Faith Mission... Join the churches of your choice! YIKES! I would rather go back and be a Buddhist before I rejoin to any 40,000 plus protestant denominations or the RCC= WHAT a religious MESS of Christ's Church so called bodies of believers!
2x2s please don't let the 2x2 non-exclusive friends and workers take over the group with their belief or WE/2x2s as a group are DONE. The 2x2s non-exclusive will destroy Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and fellowship.... Remember, Brandon non-2x2 exclusive from Texas... Look what he did at convention and in his Sunday morning fellowship meeting, he caused Chaos and confusion.... We can see and read these non-exclusive 2x2 post through the years on TMB, many eventually leave the 2x2s fellowship and find the church of their choice like Brandon and those like him.
The workers and the friends did the RIGHT thing when they excommunicated John Long, a Faith Mission non-exclusive worker from the ministry and fellowship in 1907. John Long sent his 2x2s converts to join the churches of their choice and MOST of the 2x2s and workers disagreed with his non-exclusive belief. At that convention 0f 200 friends and workers only 1 friend stood by/with John Long.
You have much more in common with most of the 40,000 plus Protestant denominations and the Catholic Church than I do. The early workers left behind creeds and religious theory, prefering the simplicity that is in Christ, to walk humbly with their God. Sam Jones expressed it well in hymns that he wrote: 1. The truth of God so precious, I value more each day, As with a contrite heart I walk With Jesus in the way; The lowly way, which most despise, I glory now to tread; Anointed eyes see always— Jesus ahead. 2. The path of life, I’ve found it In Jesus most complete; Though now cast out and suff’ring, His fellowship is sweet; He’s God’s own plan and pattern, The new and living way; My joy it is to follow With Him each day. 3. I’m glad He ever found me And came to dwell within, The stronger than the strong man, Who saves me now from sin; ’Twas life I got, not theory, His voice I did obey, And entered in by Jesus— God’s only way. 4. Now I’ve a tender Shepherd, Who leads to pastures new; His voice, it is my comfort, His hand, ’tis strong and true; I long to follow closer, Still nearer to His side, I never can forsake Him— He is my Guide. I don't think so! Even the worker, the friends on here do NOT agree with your 2x2 non-exclusive belief... MOST of the people that pat you in the back and your posts are EXES and non-exclusive 2x2 believers in your own down under countries.
I disagree with most of the 40,000 Protestant denomination, and RCC doctrines, the readers KNOW that from my 20 years posting on TMB. You non-exclusive 2x2 like to twist things to infiltrate your agenda and push us 2x2 Jesus Exclusive out of the fellowship so your kind/non-exclusive 2x2s can take over and spread your Non-exclusive Virus to others in the 2x2 fellowship to destroy it.... by encouraging others to join the churches of your choice... TO take us/exclusive back to HELL holes.
The workers and the friends MUST beware and watch out for the non-exclusive 2x2s like you in our fellowship. They will destroy and cause confusion and chaos in Christ's New Testament ministry and fellowship and for the workers ministry.
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Post by Grant on Jul 15, 2020 1:39:22 GMT -5
You have much more in common with most of the 40,000 plus Protestant denominations and the Catholic Church than I do. The early workers left behind creeds and religious theory, prefering the simplicity that is in Christ, to walk humbly with their God. Sam Jones expressed it well in hymns that he wrote: 1. The truth of God so precious, I value more each day, As with a contrite heart I walk With Jesus in the way; The lowly way, which most despise, I glory now to tread; Anointed eyes see always— Jesus ahead. 2. The path of life, I’ve found it In Jesus most complete; Though now cast out and suff’ring, His fellowship is sweet; He’s God’s own plan and pattern, The new and living way; My joy it is to follow With Him each day. 3. I’m glad He ever found me And came to dwell within, The stronger than the strong man, Who saves me now from sin; ’Twas life I got, not theory, His voice I did obey, And entered in by Jesus— God’s only way. 4. Now I’ve a tender Shepherd, Who leads to pastures new; His voice, it is my comfort, His hand, ’tis strong and true; I long to follow closer, Still nearer to His side, I never can forsake Him— He is my Guide. I don't think so! Even the worker, the friends on here do NOT agree with your 2x2 non-exclusive belief... MOST of the people that pat you in the back and your posts are EXES and non-exclusive 2x2 believers in your own down under countries.
I disagree with most of the 40,000 Protestant denomination, and RCC doctrines, the readers KNOW that from my 20 years posting on TMB. You non-exclusive 2x2 like to twist things to infiltrate your agenda and push us 2x2 Jesus Exclusive out of the fellowship so your kind/non-exclusive 2x2s can take over and spread your Non-exclusive Virus to others in the 2x2 fellowship to destroy it.... by encouraging others to join the churches of your choice... TO take us/exclusive back to HELL holes.
The workers and the friends MUST beware and watch out for the non-exclusive 2x2s like you in our fellowship. They will destroy and cause confusion and chaos in Christ's New Testament ministry and fellowship and for the workers ministry.
According to you a ministry that preaches Jesus only as their message is bound for confusion. Stay in your exclusive worker only ministry and I'm sure the others will be happy preaching Jesus only. You're not a 2x2 Nathan. The others are elders in the church, are you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 3:08:20 GMT -5
Can you not see that you are a different denomination to me, and others here who are "members" of the church? Churches start when someone believes differently, cannot reconcile, so branch off. (Or they see it as a chance to monetise!) You believe differently to probably 99% of the rest of the church.
Exclusivity and fundamentalism will die, as it does not stand up under scrutiny or critical thinking. A large number of Hymns in the "Old and New" were not written by those in the church. Were they telling porkies about their experiences? How can you sing the Hymns that non-church members wrote?
Of course, repeating the mantra of "few there be that are saved", one day you might be by yourself, looking in the mirror and still repeating the mantra, and wondering where everyone has gone.
I could say more, but I'll let others have their bit to say on this.
I can see and read you guys and gal of 2x2 non-exclusive posts on TMB for many years.... Many have decided to leave the 2x2s and find the churches that fit their thinking and belief.... You 2x2 non-exclusive and us 2x2 exclusive are like day and night in belief and thinking in Jesus and apostles/workers New Testament ministry and fellowship... EVEN openingact is NOT a 2x2 have expressed his opinions what he has seen and read that you don't adhere to the early days and current workers exclusive doctrines but you are still claim part of the 2x2 fellowship... HOW COULD THAT BE?
I do agree with the workers exclusive of Jesus Christ New Testament apostles/workers ministry and fellowship 100%. I agree with MOST of the workers doctrines that they HOLD and TEACH.... You 2x2 non-exclusive friends DO NOT.
You non-exclusive 2x2 believers and us/2x2 exclusive DO NOT having the same Spirit, we might attend the same gospel meetings, and Sunday morning meetings but we are NOT ONE in heart, mind and Spirit. Even, many EXES on here can tell and have expressed their thoughts how 2x2s have changed because of you non-2x2 exclusive. They thought this is a DIFFERENT church than they once worshipped because of you non-exclusive belief, you can join the churches of your choice, once saved always saved doctrine, all religions/and 40,000 plus denominations and RCC lead to God and Christ.
And it’s nutcases like you who prompt people to write magazine articles about the weird cult, the dangerous cult , the scary cult. It’s people like you that draw media attention to your church. It’s not all CSA that draws bad publicity. Your self centredness and pigheadedness is appalling IMO. Time to reset your mindset. You would make others run a mile from your church. Who would want to belong to a madman’s church.
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