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Post by nathan on Jul 10, 2020 17:16:11 GMT -5
Are the angels good-looking people? I think you should give up this TMB fruitless mission and take people to Hollywood. ( for more than one reason). One good reason would be to bring TMB back to its purpose. It's currently a forum that's all about Nathan and his delusions. *** You one sneaky 2x2 elder and your cronies on here! Keep on bring up the forbidden subject on the main page over and over then say! Nathan did it again speaking about science fiction, comics characters, legends and myths and so on. You and your cronies on here have started this tricks so MANY times the Adm. KNOWS your game and agenda because I told him. That is why he/Adm has asked you and your cronies take your Science fiction questions on the other boards but you and your cronies don't want to do that. You and your cronies starting poll and threads about Jesus lives inside Venus on the main page.... And NOW, you cry like a baby again.
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Post by nathan on Jul 10, 2020 17:21:03 GMT -5
You might have met the holy humans looking guardian angels already but you didn't KNOW it. The Venusians guardian angels look exactly like humans. You have read the humans looking guardian angels in the Old Testament and New Testament, they are still walking on the earth today as humans because One of them SAID so... there are 77 of them are here to do God's will and tell people about His will for them, and helping humanity in getting rid of all kinds of Viruses.
The Venusian angels Valiant Thor offered president Eisenhower and the world these gifts to cure many sicknesses, disease, and Viruses in 1957 but the Elite gov't refused to accept it. They said it would make many doctors, nurses, hospital out of work and upset the way of economy system. LOOK AT the MESS we have NOW! with MANY deadly viruses release and created by Pharma. companies ... If the President Eisenhower could have seen what we are facing NOW! He would NOT hesitate to accept those cure for sickness and viruses, back in 1957. Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for by this some have entertained angels unawares.
- Webster's Bible Do not neglect to show kindness to strangers; for, in this way, some, without knowing it, have had angels as their guests. - Weymouth Bible Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it. Here is an actual Video 13 mi. clip of the 4 Venusians human looking guardian angels of God from Interior planet of Venus where Jesus LIVES (Valiant, Donn Thor, and two women Jill/the blond and the dark hair/Tanyia) at UFO Howard Menger farm New Jersey, 1959.1) www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZuVe9u0yeo2) www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCMfUuTRd0E Delusional Disorder: Treatments, Causes, Types & Diagnosis my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9599-delusional-disorder*** So, you must be thinking all of Jesus miracles, healing, raising the dead were a bunch of delusional parts and from disorder people that he healed.
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Post by Grant on Jul 10, 2020 17:22:10 GMT -5
You've done it again Nathan. Your post is about venesians, Jesus living inside venus etc.
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Post by nathan on Jul 10, 2020 17:29:01 GMT -5
*** So, you must be thinking all of Jesus miracles, healing, raising the dead were a bunch of delusional parts and from disorder people that he healed. Oh, ye Doubting Thomas you claim to be a believer but you don't understand what you believe really... you don't believe in the existence of human looking angels like we read in Old and New Test.
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Post by nathan on Jul 10, 2020 17:31:55 GMT -5
You've done it again Nathan. Your post is about venesians, Jesus living inside venus etc. *** You cronies keep on BRINGING it up then I must reply to make you HAPPY, isn't what you want so you can cry like babies! Bohoo, bohoo...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 10, 2020 17:34:37 GMT -5
You need help for your delusions. *** America is like the Wild Wild West the last 15 yrs, there are so MANY CRAZY lunatics, home grown terrorists killing people every where so people are afraid to go anywhere. In U.S. there many homes invasion where people getting robbed while they are in the houses, businesses are burned down from rioters... There are millions Americans like Wally, that carry weapons to protect themselves and their families from harms or getting raped and killed. Who the hell would want to rape Wally?
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Post by Grant on Jul 10, 2020 18:05:16 GMT -5
*** So, you must be thinking all of Jesus miracles, healing, raising the dead were a bunch of delusional parts and from disorder people that he healed. Oh, ye Doubting Thomas you claim to be a believer but you don't understand what you believe really... you don't believe in the existence of human looking angels like we read in Old and New Test. Again Nathan you have not focused on what you wrote which was about venusian Angels and Jesus living inside venus. That is not in the Bible.
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Post by nathan on Jul 10, 2020 19:26:36 GMT -5
Oh, ye Doubting Thomas you claim to be a believer but you don't understand what you believe really... you don't believe in the existence of human looking angels like we read in Old and New Test. Again Nathan you have not focused on what you wrote which was about venusian Angels and Jesus living inside venus. That is not in the Bible. DID you KNOW the word Bible, conventions, Special meetings, gospel meetings, Bible study, retreat, Bible seminary, altar calls and many things the Christians and 2x2s practice today are NOT the BIBLE.. Should we stop doing these things, now?
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Post by nathan on Jul 10, 2020 21:10:20 GMT -5
You might have met the holy humans looking guardian angels already but you didn't KNOW it. The Venusians guardian angels look exactly like humans. You have read the humans looking guardian angels in the Old Testament and New Testament, they are still walking on the earth today as humans because One of them SAID so... there are 77 of them are here to do God's will and tell people about His will for them, and helping humanity in getting rid of all kinds of Viruses.
The Venusian angels Valiant Thor offered president Eisenhower and the world these gifts to cure many sicknesses, disease, and Viruses in 1957 but the Elite gov't refused to accept it. They said it would make many doctors, nurses, hospital out of work and upset the way of economy system. LOOK AT the MESS we have NOW! with MANY deadly viruses release and created by Pharma. companies ... If the President Eisenhower could have seen what we are facing NOW! He would NOT hesitate to accept those cure for sickness and viruses, back in 1957. Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for by this some have entertained angels unawares.
- Webster's Bible Do not neglect to show kindness to strangers; for, in this way, some, without knowing it, have had angels as their guests. - Weymouth Bible Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it. Here is an actual pictures the 4 Venusians human looking guardian angels of God from Interior planet of Venus where Jesus LIVES (Valiant, Donn Thor, and two women Jill/the blond and the dark hair/Tanyia) at UFO Howard Menger farm New Jersey, 1959.1) www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZuVe9u0yeo2) www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCMfUuTRd0E The videographer is very talented - he/she can take a video of still pictures. They must have special powers! ~~ The pictures were taken by reporters who were at the UFO conference at Howard Menger's farm in 1958. The guy in the youtube video doesn't KNOW who or what he's talking about. Frank Stranges did NOT meet Valiant Thor in person until 1959. So, Frank Stranges was NEVER at Howard Menger UFO farm in 1958.
Here is Frank Stranges testimony of background, and he met Valiant T. at the Pentagon in 1959 a year later, after Howard Menger UFO conference in 1958.
1) www.youtube.com/watch?v=tytnOJSNrqE&list=PL7zQ4l1eqyLF7UJwmXlN_mqCHmibBiEvA
2) Lecture at Kona, Hawaii in 2007 and he died in 2008.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQzhTqh1z_U
Why only 77 Venusians? I would have thought there would be 76 or 78 so they could go 2x2. ~~ That what the Venusian angel Valiant T. said at the time. there are 77 of us walking among you. There are more of them on the earth I believe. Yes, these Venusians go in pairs and two pairs.
Given their role is to tell people about God's will, how do they fit in with the workers. Do you collaborate or have "special meetings"? ~~ Most of The workers and the friends are too closed minded on these things, you can see on some of the results on TMB with most of the 2x2s= Doubting Thomas.
They sound like super workers with special virus eradication powers. ~~ These Venusians angels can heal like Jesus had done when he was on earth. They were sent by Jesus Christ to help mankind to cure cancer, sicknesses, diseases... but the elites who run the gov't refused to accept the gifts. The Venusians have friends inside the U.S. gov't and with other gov't around the world. They help with vaccines for the deadly Viruses exist today.
When you're talking to them next, can you ask them to up the ante on Covid-19. They are currently asleep on the job. No, they are NOT asleep on the job at all. They were sent to earth in 1930s to now to finish the work Christ has given them to accomplish. Satan is harvesting souls of men, women, boys and girls right now! He KNOWS his time is short and he wants to take millions, billions souls with them before Jesus returns... Then Jesus Christ will put him in prison for 1000 years in the Abyss.
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Post by bailey on Jul 10, 2020 21:16:20 GMT -5
That's quite understandable. ** Wally, You would have made a wonderful worker, loyal companion and a steady 2x2 and you understand Jesus New Testament teachings. I wouldn't mind to be your companion if we were in the work.
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Post by bailey on Jul 10, 2020 21:19:34 GMT -5
That's quite understandable. ** Wally, You would have made a wonderful worker, loyal companion and a steady 2x2 and you understand Jesus New Testament teachings. I wouldn't mind to be your companion if we were in the work. wally why did you offer for the work? and if its not to personal why did they say no?
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Post by bailey on Jul 10, 2020 21:46:11 GMT -5
Testimonies of workers through the years... ~~~ "We believe the apostles have Existed since Jesus sent forth the 70 disciples Two and Two." Richard Sullivan. (USA worker) ~~~ "It's from the beginning, planned in God's mind before creation. Walter Nelson. 1976 (USA worker) ~~~ "Was William Irvine the first in the way?" "I think William was among the first... I feel that God has had a Way on the earth since before the foundation of the earth... I don't believe William Irvine is the beginner of it." Bea Mokini. 1985 ( A native Hawaiian worker). ~~~ In answer to your question, "Where did this religion actually begin?" Was it with Jesus as we have been told in Gospel Meetings, or by a man name William Irvine in 1897? We believe Hebrews 12:2 "Looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith." I would like to give you some references that mean a lot to me as we carry the Gospel to people and point them to something that is from the beginning and not to something started by Man. In John 17:5 Jesus spoke of the glory which He had with the Father before the world was, and in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word" etc. So, there is NO date for the starting, as it was with the Heavenly Father before the world. Why would we want something started by a Man when we have in the scripture something that is from the beginning and the scripture to back it up? Doris B. letter, 1989 ~~~ "I never met William Irvine at any time and believe he was used of God, but was Never the Origin of what we believe. I understand he became too big in himself and Left the fellowship we love. Workers I know and respect preach only what Jesus lived and taught with no mention at all of William Irvine, or any other man and give only real appreciation for those who retell in our days things taught in Jesus' day. This faith began in New Testament days, neither in Ireland, Scotland or in the U.K. Roddy M. (Scotland Worker) letter dated 6/1/1995. ~~~ "William Irvine Did Not start this Church, it is from beginning, and the Way was just made evidence to him, then." Karen Tenniswood. 1996 (USA) ~~~ "However, regardless of a written record being preserved, Truth is Truth. If nobody believes it and or ... if everybody believes it. Whether or not a thing is believed in has nothing to do with its correctness. To use parable illustration, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. That is an established fact of existence. Whether or not people believe the sun rises in the East and sets in the West...in no way changes that established fact of reality... Everybody could believe the sun rises in the West and sets in the East, but this would not make it true. For anyone to say that what the Bible teaches was started at some certain year since the first century is pitiful Ignorance, and closing the eyes to established facts and truths. The teachings of the New Testament were started in the first century when God's dear Son was here on the earth. That is those truths were established in a group of believers then. But that is NOT where it started. What God gave through his son was planned before the world began. Matt. 15: 34-35; John 17:24; Acts 3: 20-21; Rom 16: 25-26; I Cor. 2:7; Eph 1:4-5; Titus 1: 2; I Peter 1:18-21. "These truths make very clear that what God the Father... Jesus Christ, the Son of God... and the Holy Spirit believe in, and what God's true ministers and Christians believed in, was planned in the heart and mind of God before the world began, and we Believe the same TODAY. So, it is 100% False for anyone to say that What we Believe was started in some recent year." Dan Hilton. Letter 11/21/89 ~~~ "We are NOT following some way Founded in the early 1900s, but it goes back to Christ. Jesus Himself set it up. Whether it was planted in the 1st Century, the 10th century or the 2Oth century, the message is the same, it produces the same thing." Tharold Sylvester 11/16/83 (USA worker) ~~~ "We are simply a Continuation of the Author of Truth." Harry Brownlee. 8/16/79 (USA worker) ~~~ "We are often asked who started this Church?" Heb. 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith." Jesus gave us God's eternal plan of Salvation in its fullness. He is both the Author and Finisher. The Way is like a seed, like the wheat seed. It was Created at the beginning of the world. Dan H. 1/1/84 Burlington, WA. (USA) ~~~ "Don't you believe that something so Precious to God could be Preserved and Passed through his Beloved mouthpieces over any age and time? God's way is Eternal!" Cheryl L. when I have studied different faiths (sects of Christianity) to understand what they believe. I would eventually be looking at the start date. Who can this faith be traced to. Is there a person who started this. So often there is somebody who it can be traced back to. And if they asked these believers about this wouldn't they say some thing similar such as : It's not that we started with this person it's more like we are starting to live it again, something that once was and was from the beginning? Same thing the 2 x 2s would say when believers find out about William Irvine.
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Post by nathan on Jul 10, 2020 21:53:22 GMT -5
Testimonies of workers through the years... ~~~ "We believe the apostles have Existed since Jesus sent forth the 70 disciples Two and Two." Richard Sullivan. (USA worker) ~~~ "It's from the beginning, planned in God's mind before creation. Walter Nelson. 1976 (USA worker) ~~~ "Was William Irvine the first in the way?" "I think William was among the first... I feel that God has had a Way on the earth since before the foundation of the earth... I don't believe William Irvine is the beginner of it." Bea Mokini. 1985 ( A native Hawaiian worker). ~~~ In answer to your question, "Where did this religion actually begin?" Was it with Jesus as we have been told in Gospel Meetings, or by a man name William Irvine in 1897? We believe Hebrews 12:2 "Looking to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith." I would like to give you some references that mean a lot to me as we carry the Gospel to people and point them to something that is from the beginning and not to something started by Man. In John 17:5 Jesus spoke of the glory which He had with the Father before the world was, and in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word" etc. So, there is NO date for the starting, as it was with the Heavenly Father before the world. Why would we want something started by a Man when we have in the scripture something that is from the beginning and the scripture to back it up? Doris B. letter, 1989 ~~~ "I never met William Irvine at any time and believe he was used of God, but was Never the Origin of what we believe. I understand he became too big in himself and Left the fellowship we love. Workers I know and respect preach only what Jesus lived and taught with no mention at all of William Irvine, or any other man and give only real appreciation for those who retell in our days things taught in Jesus' day. This faith began in New Testament days, neither in Ireland, Scotland or in the U.K. Roddy M. (Scotland Worker) letter dated 6/1/1995. ~~~ "William Irvine Did Not start this Church, it is from beginning, and the Way was just made evidence to him, then." Karen Tenniswood. 1996 (USA) ~~~ "However, regardless of a written record being preserved, Truth is Truth. If nobody believes it and or ... if everybody believes it. Whether or not a thing is believed in has nothing to do with its correctness. To use parable illustration, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. That is an established fact of existence. Whether or not people believe the sun rises in the East and sets in the West...in no way changes that established fact of reality... Everybody could believe the sun rises in the West and sets in the East, but this would not make it true. For anyone to say that what the Bible teaches was started at some certain year since the first century is pitiful Ignorance, and closing the eyes to established facts and truths. The teachings of the New Testament were started in the first century when God's dear Son was here on the earth. That is those truths were established in a group of believers then. But that is NOT where it started. What God gave through his son was planned before the world began. Matt. 15: 34-35; John 17:24; Acts 3: 20-21; Rom 16: 25-26; I Cor. 2:7; Eph 1:4-5; Titus 1: 2; I Peter 1:18-21. "These truths make very clear that what God the Father... Jesus Christ, the Son of God... and the Holy Spirit believe in, and what God's true ministers and Christians believed in, was planned in the heart and mind of God before the world began, and we Believe the same TODAY. So, it is 100% False for anyone to say that What we Believe was started in some recent year." Dan Hilton. Letter 11/21/89 ~~~ "We are NOT following some way Founded in the early 1900s, but it goes back to Christ. Jesus Himself set it up. Whether it was planted in the 1st Century, the 10th century or the 2Oth century, the message is the same, it produces the same thing." Tharold Sylvester 11/16/83 (USA worker) ~~~ "We are simply a Continuation of the Author of Truth." Harry Brownlee. 8/16/79 (USA worker) ~~~ "We are often asked who started this Church?" Heb. 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith." Jesus gave us God's eternal plan of Salvation in its fullness. He is both the Author and Finisher. The Way is like a seed, like the wheat seed. It was Created at the beginning of the world. Dan H. 1/1/84 Burlington, WA. (USA) ~~~ "Don't you believe that something so Precious to God could be Preserved and Passed through his Beloved mouthpieces over any age and time? God's way is Eternal!" Cheryl L. when I have studied different faiths (sects of Christianity) to understand what they believe. I would eventually be looking at the start date. Who can this faith be traced to. Is there a person who started this. So often there is somebody who it can be traced back to. And if they asked these believers about this wouldn't they say some thing similar such as : It's not that we started with this person it's more like we are starting to live it again, something that once was and was from the beginning? Same thing the 2 x 2s would say when believers find out about William Irvine. Whathat/ex-2x2 wrote: "Interestingly, there is a picture of ALL the Faith Mission pilgrims/preachers as of 1892, standing in our rows like the 2x2 workers picture, and at their feet is a banner "The Holiness" movement is simply the idea that you are redeemed when you are born again in Christ, but you are NOT sanctified at that point; you are NOT holy. William Irvine was steeped in it, because he attended Keswick Convention which is seen as the center of the Holiness movement.Diagram of the Holiness movement (John Wesley founder).... www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/E-Books/holiness/Holiness%20Movement.gifAnyway, the pedigree is actually from the Moravian Church which dates back to 1457. John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist, but who was actually an Anglican Holiness doctrine widely in his sermons and later in his book titled "Christians perfection" is the same idea as Holiness. So, this is from Wiki---- It was on the voyage to the colonies that the Wesleys first came into contact with Moravian settlers was influenced by their deep faith and spirituality. During the voyage a storm came up and broke the mast of the ship. While the English panicked, the Moravians calmly sang hymns and prayed. This experienced led Wesley possessed inner strength which he lacked. The deeply personal religion that the Moravian pietists practiced heavily influence Wesley's theology of Methodist. And then the Moravian church was an offshoot of Catholicism, but almost a pre-Reformation one. However, some people believe the Moravians church, I will quote the Apostolic Succession through the Waldensians (1170 A.D.) Church. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiness_movement Anyway, potentially the lineage is:
Jesus Christ the Founder of the New Testament 2x2 apostolic ministry and Church (33 A.D) >>> Paul the Apostle (68 A.D.) ...... the Vaudois (400 A.D.) ...... the Waldensians ( 1170 A.D.) ...... Albigeneses ( 1300 A.D.) ...... Moravians (1400 A.D.) ...... John Wesley (1700 A.D) ...... Holiness movement (1800 A.D.) ..... the Faith Mission ( 1886 A.D.) ...... 2x2 Workers and Friends ...... (1898/1900------>> Jesus 2nd coming!)
I would have voted for 1897 William Irvine Founder date UNTIL a) I read John Long's Journal b) learned more on the socio-historical background that information and other preachers. That background included information on the Faith Mission, the Awakening in Scotland, various independent preaching movement and before that I could NOT see the forest before the trees. Now, I see William Irvine, John Long and the other first 2x2 workers as having separated from a much larger preaching movement in Scotland in the late 19th Century, one which culminated in schism because the main denomination would NOT accept the Holiness doctrine. As a "late date" fan at the present time, that would certainly make William Irvine the FIRST leader/overseer/head worker of the 2x2 movement. Founder? I have just NEVER liked calling William Irvine the Founder of the 2x2 movement. Nathan's selection of Edward Cooney quotes to Impartial Reporter in 1909 in the early days, and shed quite a bit of light on the early days of the movement, in my opinion. John Wesley's the Methodist worked and preaching on Christians perfection and his ideas in that area were strongly influenced in that area of Moravian Church, which is the Vaudois, and the Waldensians.
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Post by Grant on Jul 10, 2020 22:07:41 GMT -5
As we all know, that is a false line made up by 'whathat' on TMB. Every church can lay claim to it as every church goes back to Jesus and many churches were part of the holiness movement. Alas, the workers go down the line back to the Catholics as much as any other church.
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Post by nathan on Jul 11, 2020 1:27:06 GMT -5
As we all know, that is a false line made up by 'whathat' on TMB. Every church can lay claim to it as every church goes back to Jesus and many churches were part of the holiness movement. Alas, the workers go down the line back to the Catholics as much as any other church. Oh, you hurt Whathat's feelings now... He put a lot of time and efforts into his posts for months.... Interesting Whathat didn't include the RCC and most of the Protestant churches with the Waldenses and Vaudois line up.... Just the few others, Faith Mission and the 2x2s.
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Post by mountain on Jul 11, 2020 4:06:10 GMT -5
wally why did you offer for the work? and if its not to personal why did they say no? He possibly was asked to sell all and wouldn't give us his gun My personal opinion was that he wasn't prepared to sell his cloak and buy a sword, intimating he already had a knife. I may be wrong, but it does make sense. Owning a gun would not have been an issue. After all, Jesus rode into Jerusalem with a colt!
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 11, 2020 14:49:10 GMT -5
You need help for your delusions. *** America is like the Wild Wild West the last 15 yrs, there are so MANY CRAZY lunatics, home grown terrorists killing people every where so people are afraid to go anywhere. In U.S. there many homes invasion where people getting robbed while they are in the houses, businesses are burned down from rioters... There are millions Americans like Wally, that carry weapons to protect themselves and their families from harms or getting raped and killed. Please don't tell me you walk the streets armed. That would be some scary sh**!
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 11, 2020 14:50:05 GMT -5
Again Nathan you have not focused on what you wrote which was about venusian Angels and Jesus living inside venus. That is not in the Bible. DID you KNOW the word Bible, conventions, Special meetings, gospel meetings, Bible study, retreat, Bible seminary, altar calls and many things the Christians and 2x2s practice today are NOT the BIBLE.. Should we stop doing these things, now? YES!
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Post by nathan on Jul 11, 2020 16:13:57 GMT -5
*** America is like the Wild Wild West the last 15 yrs, there are so MANY CRAZY lunatics, home grown terrorists killing people every where so people are afraid to go anywhere. In U.S. there many homes invasion where people getting robbed while they are in the houses, businesses are burned down from rioters... There are millions Americans like Wally, that carry weapons to protect themselves and their families from harms or getting raped and killed. Please don't tell me you walk the streets armed. That would be some scary sh**! *** haha, if I was armed you better stay away from my sight. Well, Wally is armed so, I don't need to carry any gun when I am with him.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 11, 2020 16:36:07 GMT -5
Please don't tell me you walk the streets armed. That would be some scary sh**! *** haha, if I was armed you better stay away from my sight. Well, Wally is armed so, I don't need to carry any gun when I am with him. That's just weird.
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Post by Annan on Jul 11, 2020 16:37:48 GMT -5
Please don't tell me you walk the streets armed. That would be some scary sh**! *** haha, if I was armed you better stay away from my sight. Well, Wally is armed so, I don't need to carry any gun when I am with him. So your god protects you from hexes but not bullets? Just curious.
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Post by nathan on Jul 11, 2020 17:07:15 GMT -5
*** haha, if I was armed you better stay away from my sight. Well, Wally is armed so, I don't need to carry any gun when I am with him. So your god protects you from hexes but not bullets? Just curious. *** Yes, God protect us but all of us must die one way or another.
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Post by bailey on Jul 11, 2020 19:13:52 GMT -5
Don't worry about Doug - he is already with the Lord and trusted in Him completely. As a result he had complete assurance when he died that Christ's righteousness would cover his sins completely on the Day of Judgement. From my discussions with Cherie over the years, she also trusts in Christ for her future. Just focus on your own salvation as we are all asked to do. I didn't leave the 2x2's because of Doug or Cherie. I'm thankful for what they have written and recorded, but we made our own decision to leave because what the workers preach did not line up with the Bible in key areas. A relationship with Christ doesn't depend on membership of a particular group or church. It's a personal thing between Christ and the individual - always has been and always will be. Well, that is your/ex-2x2 opinion and some in the 2x2s feel about Cherie, Doug and MANY exes like them but MOST of the workers and friends believe the apposite... After death they and us will KNOW where we will end up.
There is MORE than just Christ and individual according to the teachings of Jesus and the apostles/workers... It's VERY imporant being part of God's New Testament sheep pen/fold/fellowship through the centuries. If you are NOT part of the New Testament fellowship/sheep pen then your SINS are NOT forgiven. I John 1:1-7 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (for the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Jesus said in Matt. 7:21-28 these people did NOT have God's approval because they do things their own way and preach a different than His teachings, which he has taught his apostles/workers.
" Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
~~ A true born again believer MUST have all three MOST important thing: First Jesus Christ as your Savior. Secondly, personal individual relationship with the Godhead and lastly, be part fellowship of His/their New Testament sheep pen/fold then His blood will continually cleanse us daily.
these three things you think are necessary? I use to be in fellowship with the two by twos for 13 years and haven't had fellowship with them for 25 years and god speaks to me daily Nathan. just yesterday Gods Spirit (the one i received in the two by two gospel meeting) spoke to me with part of one of your hymns. Twice during that day wash me oh lamb of God wash me from sin I long to be like you all pure with in. Just goes to show you learn something new everyday some times eh? He's always been my guide with out the fellowship part imagine that? how can this be? Why has the two by two God been in my life for 25 years after i left and refuses to depart me? Didn't mean to speak about this but look at what you've said and look at the reality.
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Post by fixit on Jul 11, 2020 20:43:56 GMT -5
*** haha, if I was armed you better stay away from my sight. Well, Wally is armed so, I don't need to carry any gun when I am with him. So your god protects you from hexes but not bullets? Just curious. I doubt that Nathan's Venus god would protect from hexes or bullets.
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Post by fixit on Jul 11, 2020 20:48:07 GMT -5
~~ A true born again believer MUST have all three MOST important thing: First Jesus Christ as your Savior. Secondly, personal individual relationship with the Godhead and lastly, be part fellowship of His/their New Testament sheep pen/fold then His blood will continually cleanse us daily. What scripure do you back up those claims with?
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Post by nathan on Jul 11, 2020 21:17:15 GMT -5
Well, that is your/ex-2x2 opinion and some in the 2x2s feel about Cherie, Doug and MANY exes like them but MOST of the workers and friends believe the apposite... After death they and us will KNOW where we will end up.
There is MORE than just Christ and individual according to the teachings of Jesus and the apostles/workers... It's VERY imporant being part of God's New Testament sheep pen/fold/fellowship through the centuries. If you are NOT part of the New Testament fellowship/sheep pen then your SINS are NOT forgiven. I John 1:1-7 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (for the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Jesus said in Matt. 7:21-28 these people did NOT have God's approval because they do things their own way and preach a different than His teachings, which he has taught his apostles/workers.
" Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
~~ A true born again believer MUST have all three MOST important thing: First Jesus Christ as your Savior. Secondly, personal individual relationship with the Godhead and lastly, be part fellowship of His/their New Testament sheep pen/fold then His blood will continually cleanse us daily.
these three things you think are necessary? I use to be in fellowship with the two by twos for 13 years and haven't had fellowship with them for 25 years and god speaks to me daily Nathan. just yesterday Gods Spirit (the one i received in the two by two gospel meeting) spoke to me with part of one of your hymns. Twice during that day wash me oh lamb of God wash me from sin I long to be like you all pure with in. Just goes to show you learn something new everyday some times eh? He's always been my guide with out the fellowship part imagine that? how can this be? Why has the two by two God been in my life for 25 years after i left and refuses to depart me? Didn't mean to speak about this but look at what you've said and look at the reality. Here are some writing of the apostle John for you to THINK about concerning about the fellowship and believers in the New Testament. Your belief is totally against the teachings of Jesus and the apostles/workers. I John 1:1-7
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete.
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. ~~ According to the teachings of the apostle John and Jesus that The NEW Testament believers must have fellowship/relationship with God, Christ, Holy Spirit and have Fellowship with believers, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ, his son CLEANSE us from ALL SINS. If they depart from the fellowship with believers then the BLOOD of Jesus will NOT cleanse from ALL sins.
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Post by nathan on Jul 11, 2020 21:20:42 GMT -5
~~ A true born again believer MUST have all three MOST important thing: First Jesus Christ as your Savior. Secondly, personal individual relationship with the Godhead and lastly, be part fellowship of His/their New Testament sheep pen/fold then His blood will continually cleanse us daily. What scripure do you back up those claims with? Here are The writing of the apostle to back up what I wrote. John I John 1:17. That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. We write this to make our joy complete.
Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
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Post by nathan on Jul 12, 2020 14:33:14 GMT -5
** Why, don't you, Curly and others stop asking and posting these things on the main page? Or take the poll about Jesus from Venus and STOP being a 2x2 elder hypocrite.Nathan using words like I have highlighted bring no credibility to your story or yourself in fact they degrade you and your story. ** If the shoes fit wear it.
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