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Post by bailey on Jul 2, 2020 3:26:42 GMT -5
I was wondering if there are any known cases where a Saint 2 x 2 helped an out sider have a revelation that the 2 x 2 church is the true church pf God with out the aid of workers or gospel meetings?
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 2, 2020 3:35:43 GMT -5
It was not your job to do that. You could bring someone along to meetings to hear God'(supposed)true servants. If they were not in your district,stiff,you have gotta wait to be saved. If you were inclined to die before that,well bad luck you and 7Billion others in the world are eternally going to William Irvines's Hell also. Magpie PS ask Nathan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 8:28:01 GMT -5
I was wondering if there are any known cases where a Saint 2 x 2 helped an out sider have a revelation that the 2 x 2 church is the true church pf God with out the aid of workers or gospel meetings? through the website i use to have on 2x2's i helped about 24 people recontact the truth plus at least 1 other person was an outsider....don't know how it went for them but nevertheless i tried....
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Post by chuck on Jul 2, 2020 9:49:38 GMT -5
I was wondering if there are any known cases where a Saint 2 x 2 helped an out sider have a revelation that the 2 x 2 church is the true church pf God with out the aid of workers or gospel meetings? through the website i use to have on 2x2's i helped about 24 people recontact the truth plus at least 1 other person was an outsider....don't know how it went for them but nevertheless i tried.... It's not "the truth" wally, that's very very dishonest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 13:46:47 GMT -5
No doubt that some 2x2 saints, by keeping faithful in their outward appearance (walk and words and actions) have distinguished themselves as being different from the worldliness surrounding the lost souls that some seeking soul has been inspired to ask why they are so much better.
No doubt by keeping faithful in their little place, those quiet pillars have been able to direct a couple lost souls to the workers to hear the Truth.
Most worldlings despise the lowly way though, so it is a rare thing that this would happen. And of course, "few there be that find it".
I just want to be more faithful in my little place in coming days.
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Post by fixit on Jul 2, 2020 14:35:00 GMT -5
No doubt that some 2x2 saints, by keeping faithful in their outward appearance (walk and words and actions) have distinguished themselves as being different from the worldliness surrounding the lost souls that some seeking soul has been inspired to ask why they are so much better. No doubt by keeping faithful in their little place, those quiet pillars have been able to direct a couple lost souls to the workers to hear the Truth. Most worldlings despise the lowly way though, so it is a rare thing that this would happen. And of course, "few there be that find it". I just want to be more faithful in my little place in coming days. What about your fallen shorts?
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Post by Annan on Jul 2, 2020 15:25:25 GMT -5
I just want to be more faithful in my little place in coming days. What about your fallen shorts?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 2, 2020 17:33:12 GMT -5
I was wondering if there are any known cases where a Saint 2 x 2 helped an out sider have a revelation that the 2 x 2 church is the true church pf God with out the aid of workers or gospel meetings? I remember that this was the case of a man in my home town. Circa 1907 he apparently moved from Massachusetts to New Brunswick to begin having fellowship with his father or brother who had recently professed through the workers and had been writing letters to him about what the workers had been saying. He never met any of the workers for quite some time after he made that move. We heard about it every year at convention until he passed away. I was about 12 when I asked people how he got to do that, and no one seemed to have any explanation for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 18:27:25 GMT -5
through the website i use to have on 2x2's i helped about 24 people recontact the truth plus at least 1 other person was an outsider....don't know how it went for them but nevertheless i tried.... It's not "the truth" wally, that's very very dishonest. the only dishonesty going on here is you pretending to be a 2x2...
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Post by chuck on Jul 2, 2020 19:56:53 GMT -5
It's not "the truth" wally, that's very very dishonest. the only dishonesty going on here is you pretending to be a 2x2... That's a lie. I dont pretend to be anything. I try to act as a normal human beign to all!. You like Nathan, are so entwined in your tribalism you cannot see past it. Hence someone not acting like you think all people should act are just pretenders!. Your tribalism has poisened your mind and anyone offending your tribalism is off to hell. Claiming to be "the truth" is not true. You have been seriously indoctrinated, it is a form of mental/spiritual abuse. Happening everywhere in proclaimed Chrisitanity.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 2, 2020 20:04:44 GMT -5
through the website i use to have on 2x2's i helped about 24 people recontact the truth plus at least 1 other person was an outsider....don't know how it went for them but nevertheless i tried.... It's not "the truth" wally, that's very very dishonest. Sorry, Chuck, -but it just as much the "truth" as your view of what is "truth!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 20:09:01 GMT -5
the only dishonesty going on here is you pretending to be a 2x2... That's a lie. I dont pretend to be anything. I try to act as a normal human beign to all!. You like Nathan, are so entwined in your tribalism you cannot see past it. Hence someone not acting like you think all people should act are just pretenders!. Your tribalism has poisened your mind and anyone offending your tribalism is off to hell. Claiming to be "the truth" is not true. You have been seriously indoctrinated, it is a form of mental/spiritual abuse. Happening every in proclaimed Chrisitanity. you've even admitted to staying "in" only because you have family "in" thats called pretending in most of the modern world....JW
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Post by nathan on Jul 2, 2020 21:07:25 GMT -5
I was wondering if there are any known cases where a Saint 2 x 2 helped an out sider have a revelation that the 2 x 2 church is the true church pf God with out the aid of workers or gospel meetings? through the website i use to have on 2x2's i helped about 24 people recontact the truth plus at least 1 other person was an outsider....don't know how it went for them but nevertheless i tried.... ** Thanks, Wally. I too had a 2x2s website for 5 years and it cost me 500 dollars every 2 years , then they wanted more money and we LEFT that company and we to Proboards and it for free. I had many outsiders came convention, Sunday morning meetings and gospel meetings. I had contacts from the exes who wanted to come back to meetings. I had many contacts from the friends and the workers around the world through TMB and I had MANY positive and encouragement posts from them. Only God knows who has received help or coming to Jesus and accept Him as their God and Savior. The results from these means of contact through the message boards and the Internet results will be fully KNOWN in heaven and in the day of Judgment.
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Post by chuck on Jul 2, 2020 22:48:35 GMT -5
It's not "the truth" wally, that's very very dishonest. Sorry, Chuck, -but it just as much the "truth" as your view of what is "truth!" Were have I suggested if you do not see it like me you will burn in hell?. Were have I suggested CSA is associated with truth, because thats what 2x2ism does, they deny it of course but its rife with it, so I hardly see how they can claim to be "the truth" with that running rife, and claim to be "the truth" with sooooo much hypocrisy. I don't believe I have claimed to be "the truth" have I?. If I have I'll gladly address it?. Sure I dish out my opinion, just like others, but I am not bold enough to claim it's ultimate truth so therefore xyz will die a death of a 1000 cuts or whatever threats and bondage religon uses. What is your view of truth?.
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Post by chuck on Jul 2, 2020 23:17:13 GMT -5
That's a lie. I dont pretend to be anything. I try to act as a normal human beign to all!. You like Nathan, are so entwined in your tribalism you cannot see past it. Hence someone not acting like you think all people should act are just pretenders!. Your tribalism has poisened your mind and anyone offending your tribalism is off to hell. Claiming to be "the truth" is not true. You have been seriously indoctrinated, it is a form of mental/spiritual abuse. Happening every in proclaimed Chrisitanity. you've even admitted to staying "in" only because you have family "in" thats called pretending in most of the modern world....JW Staying within the sect because of Family, friends, relatives does not make me a pretender, saying what I don't believe and living what I don't believe is a pretender. What you see is what you get wether It's in a meeting, or in the street, or in my business, or heaven forbid even in the pub. I do not pretend to be anything Im not. Offending your 2x2ism does not make anyone a pretender.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 23:39:38 GMT -5
you've even admitted to staying "in" only because you have family "in" thats called pretending in most of the modern world....JW Staying within the sect because of Family, friends, relatives does not make me a pretender, saying what I don't believe and living what I don't believe is a pretender. What you see is what you get wether It's in a meeting, or in the street, or in my business, or heaven forbid even in the pub. I do not pretend to be anything Im not. Offending your 2x2ism does not make anyone a pretender. yeah your definitely a pretender...JW pretend: speak and act so as to make it appear that something is the case when in fact it is not: lay claim to (a quality or title): not really what it is represented as being; used in a game or deception:
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Post by chuck on Jul 2, 2020 23:49:50 GMT -5
Staying within the sect because of Family, friends, relatives does not make me a pretender, saying what I don't believe and living what I don't believe is a pretender. What you see is what you get wether It's in a meeting, or in the street, or in my business, or heaven forbid even in the pub. I do not pretend to be anything Im not. Offending your 2x2ism does not make anyone a pretender. yeah your definitely a pretender...JW pretend: speak and act so as to make it appear that something is the case when in fact it is not: lay claim to (a quality or title): not really what it is represented as being; used in a game or deception: what do I speak and act like wally?, what do I do to "pretend" and do what I don't believe?. Edit, I am guilty of pretending one thing, my name on this board.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 3, 2020 0:28:14 GMT -5
Sorry, Chuck, -but it just as much the "truth" as your view of what is "truth!" Were have I suggested if you do not see it like me you will burn in hell?. Were have I suggested CSA is associated with truth, because thats what 2x2ism does, they deny it of course but its rife with it, so I hardly see how they can claim to be "the truth" with that running rife, and claim to be "the truth" with sooooo much hypocrisy. I don't believe I have claimed to be "the truth" have I?. If I have I'll gladly address it?. Sure I dish out my opinion, just like others, but I am not bold enough to claim it's ultimate truth so therefore xyz will die a death of a 1000 cuts or whatever threats and bondage religon uses. What is your view of truth?. Oh, -you surely do "dish out" your opinion, -Chuck! Like telling wally "It's not "the truth" wally, that's very very dishonest."
Wally said : "through the website i use to have on 2x2's i helped about 24 people recontact the truth plus at least 1 other person was an outsider....don't know how it went for them but nevertheless i tried....
Why do you lambast him for that saying it is " being dishonest?"
You say that you don't believe that anyone will "burn in hell" nor some other beliefs that you discount as just stories. Yet you yourself still hang on to a supernatural part of Christianity when you say you believe in the birth and resurrection of Christ."
How can you denounce some people for their supernatural beliefs when you still hang onto some of your own?
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Post by Grant on Jul 3, 2020 0:37:00 GMT -5
through the website i use to have on 2x2's i helped about 24 people recontact the truth plus at least 1 other person was an outsider....don't know how it went for them but nevertheless i tried.... ** Thanks, Wally. I too had a 2x2s website for 5 years and it cost me 500 dollars every 2 years , then they wanted more money and we LEFT that company and we to Proboards and it for free. I had many outsiders came convention, Sunday morning meetings and gospel meetings. I had contacts from the exes who wanted to come back to meetings. I had many contacts from the friends and the workers around the world through TMB and I had MANY positive and encouragement posts from them. Only God knows who has received help or coming to Jesus and accept Him as their God and Savior. The results from these means of contact through the message boards and the Internet results will be fully KNOWN in heaven and in the day of Judgment. I'm sure many people on here have been contacted from people over the years as a result of writing the books, websites etc. I guess Cherie and others lost count years ago.
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Post by bailey on Jul 3, 2020 0:45:54 GMT -5
Thank you for your responses its getting late and was a long day ill try to see if I can respond some how tomorrow.
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Post by nathan on Jul 3, 2020 2:15:12 GMT -5
** Thanks, Wally. I too had a 2x2s website for 5 years and it cost me 500 dollars every 2 years , then they wanted more money and we LEFT that company and we to Proboards and it for free. I had many outsiders came convention, Sunday morning meetings and gospel meetings. I had contacts from the exes who wanted to come back to meetings. I had many contacts from the friends and the workers around the world through TMB and I had MANY positive and encouragement posts from them. Only God knows who has received help or coming to Jesus and accept Him as their God and Savior. The results from these means of contact through the message boards and the Internet results will be fully KNOWN in heaven and in the day of Judgment. I'm sure many people on here have been contacted from people over the years as a result of writing the books, websites etc. I guess Cherie and others lost count years ago. I WOULD NOT want to be in Cherie, Doug Parker and others like them standing before God in the Day of Judgment... thousands of 2x2s and who know how many people they have lead astray and AWAY from the Truth of Jesus in the 21st century through their anti-2x2 websites.
Peter wrote in II Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
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Post by Grant on Jul 3, 2020 2:24:01 GMT -5
Nathan I believe those words apply to you as much, if not more than anyone with the kind of stuff you post on here.
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jul 3, 2020 3:11:26 GMT -5
I'm sure many people on here have been contacted from people over the years as a result of writing the books, websites etc. I guess Cherie and others lost count years ago. I WOULD NOT want to be in Cherie, Doug Parker and others like them standing before God in the Day of Judgment... thousands of 2x2s and who know how many people they have lead astray and AWAY from the Truth of Jesus in the 21st century through their anti-2x2 websites.
Peter wrote in II Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Don't worry about Doug - he is already with the Lord and trusted in Him completely. As a result he had complete assurance when he died that Christ's righteousness would cover his sins completely on the Day of Judgement. From my discussions with Cherie over the years, she also trusts in Christ for her future. Just focus on your own salvation as we are all asked to do. I didn't leave the 2x2's because of Doug or Cherie. I'm thankful for what they have written and recorded, but we made our own decision to leave because what the workers preach did not line up with the Bible in key areas. A relationship with Christ doesn't depend on membership of a particular group or church. It's a personal thing between Christ and the individual - always has been and always will be.
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 3, 2020 3:13:34 GMT -5
Wally,those you directed to or back to your interpretation of the gospel were they required to be reBaptised under the Irvine Doctrine you follow?? Just a thought. Magpie
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Post by fixit on Jul 3, 2020 4:32:02 GMT -5
I WOULD NOT want to be in Cherie, Doug Parker and others like them standing before God in the Day of Judgment... thousands of 2x2s and who know how many people they have lead astray and AWAY from the Truth of Jesus in the 21st century through their anti-2x2 websites. Cherie has exposed lies and ungodliness, but I'm not so sure she has led people away from the truth of Jesus. If her work shook people's faith, I would suggest their faith was in the wrong things. Hebrews 12:26 When God spoke from Mount Sinai his voice shook the earth, but now he makes another promise: “Once again I will shake not only the earth but the heavens also.” 27 This means that all of creation will be shaken and removed, so that only unshakable things will remain. 28 Since we are receiving a Kingdom that is unshakable, let us be thankful and please God by worshiping him with holy fear and awe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 4:42:50 GMT -5
Wally,those you directed to or back to your interpretation of the gospel were they required to be reBaptised under the Irvine Doctrine you follow?? Just a thought. Magpie its not my interpretation of anything the gospel is the gospel, but like i said i don't know how it turned out for any of them just that i tried....
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Post by bailey on Jul 3, 2020 5:38:41 GMT -5
So the impression I'm getting its the saints job to live quiet godly lives with in their place with hope that some one might ask them about their belief because they live and act differently like a Christian and it's the saints hope to help the outsider meet the workers who then try to explain and help the the outsider become saved. And that's not the saints responsibility. And the reason Wally and Nate are more active in this process is because they use to be workers. In 1 peter 3:15 Paul is encouraging the saints to be able to defend the hope that is with in them when they are asked. And in the most part that defense would be I can introduce you to the workers who can explain things to you. Is this correct. So there isn't much of a defense other than this? Except one case where family members helped another family member have an understanding and he became a part of the fellowship but no one understands how that happened because he hadn't met a worker yet and it normally doesn't happen that way. Ok thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 5:55:33 GMT -5
So the impression I'm getting its the saints job to live quiet godly lives with in their place with hope that some one might ask them about their belief because they live and act differently like a Christian and it's the saints hope to help the outsider meet the workers who then try to explain and help the the outsider become saved. And that's not the saints responsibility. And the reason Wally and Nate are more active in this process is because they use to be workers. In 1 peter 3:15 Paul is encouraging the saints to be able to defend the hope that is with in them when they are asked. And in the most part that defense would be I can introduce you to the workers who can explain things to you. Is this correct. So there isn't much of a defense other than this? Except one case where family members helped another family member have an understanding and he became a part of the fellowship but no one understands how that happened because he hadn't met a worker yet and it normally doesn't happen that way. Ok thank you. nathan was a worker but not me i offered but was told no....
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