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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 1:58:46 GMT -5
Nope, I wasn't asked by the overseer to leave the work, I left on my own. It was the will of God for me to be on TMB, now you all KNOW why, I left the work. How long after did you left the work did you meet your wife? Were you asked to stop taking part in meeting for marrying a Catholic woman? My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days and years. I could NOT do what I doNOW on TMB for over 20 years, without her help and support all these years. She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef. and a wonderful wife and mother to my son. A few years later, I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, the overseer told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2020 2:01:56 GMT -5
How long after did you left the work did you meet your wife? Were you asked to stop taking part in meeting for marrying a Catholic woman? My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days... She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef... I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, they told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year in the meetings. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best. What I do not understand about your punishment is that after a year you were allowed to take part again but you were still married to her. What exactly was the point of the punishment? Is she a catholic?
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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 2:12:00 GMT -5
My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days... She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef... I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, they told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year in the meetings. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best. What I do not understand about your punishment is that after a year you were allowed to take part again but you were still married to her. What exactly was the point of the punishment? Is she a catholic? The silly punishment was because I married an unprofessing woman! Her father studied to become a Catholic Priest, and her mother is a Buddhist. I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I had NEVER heard NOT to take parts, but I obeyed their rules to show them I have the right spirit. My wife has similar of my background before I professed.
Looking back, and studied the verses they teach about be NOT Yoke with unbelievers, I believe the workers took those verses out of context. I have explained those verses in the past on TMB. It's an ideal to marry professing mates in the truth but we KNOW many of them end up in divorce and remarried to an un-professing mates later.
The best thing to do is PRAY to God, and ask Him to find and pick the mates for us... whether professing or NOT. This earthly marriage is ONLY temporary thing on this side of life. My wife has great respect for the workers, and she has allowed me to go to all the meetings I desire, working at home on TMB, this way I stay out of trouble. busy working for God. I am happy doing what I am doing, this is more my cup of tea. In the work we preach mostly to the 20-40 choirs of the friends, we hardly have any outsiders come to our gospel meetings. Spent too much time at preps projects, conventions, and etc... TMB is more my type of gift as an apostle, teaching the gospels. Eph. 4:11-15
I enjoyed stayed in the friends homes and getting to KNOW them better than greeting them at conventions or after in the gospel meetings. Those were some of the most high lights in the work getting to know the friends in a closer relationship, I miss that part a lot.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2020 2:20:30 GMT -5
What I do not understand about your punishment is that after a year you were allowed to take part again but you were still married to her. What exactly was the point of the punishment? Is she a catholic? The silly punishment was because I married an unprofessing woman! Her father studied to become a Catholic Priest, and her mother is a Buddhist. I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I had NEVER heard NOT to take parts, but I obeyed their rules to show them I have the right spirit. My wife has similar of my background before I professed.
Looking back, and studied the verses they teach about be NOT Yoke with unbelievers, I believe the workers took those verses out of context. I have explained those verses in the past on TMB. It's an ideal to marry professing mates in the truth but we KNOW many of them end up in divorce and remarried to an un-professing mates later.
The best thing to do is PRAY to God, and ask Him to find and pick the mates for us... whether professing or NOT. This earthly marriage is ONLY temporary thing on this side of life.
I reckon you do not get the issue. You married a woman who was deemed to be not suitable so they stop you taking part for a year. After the year is up you take part in meetings again. But you are still married to her. What exactly did the punishment achieve? What rules is this you talk about?
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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 2:28:24 GMT -5
The silly punishment was because I married an unprofessing woman! Her father studied to become a Catholic Priest, and her mother is a Buddhist. I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I had NEVER heard NOT to take parts, but I obeyed their rules to show them I have the right spirit. My wife has similar of my background before I professed.
Looking back, and studied the verses they teach about be NOT Yoke with unbelievers, I believe the workers took those verses out of context. I have explained those verses in the past on TMB. It's an ideal to marry professing mates in the truth but we KNOW many of them end up in divorce and remarried to an un-professing mates later.
The best thing to do is PRAY to God, and ask Him to find and pick the mates for us... whether professing or NOT. This earthly marriage is ONLY temporary thing on this side of life.
I reckon you do not get the issue. You married a woman who was deemed to be not suitable so they stop you taking part for a year. After the year is up you take part in meetings again. But you are still married to her. What exactly did the punishment achieve? What rules is this you talk about? They had their reasons, they want to STOP me from marrying my wife so they thought if they asked me NOT to take parts I might NOT marrying her. Yep, after a year I went and asked the overseer if I could take parts again and he said, "YES," .... The punishment for NOT to take parts was to Scare people for marrying non-professing.
The workers try to do their best but they don't KNOW God's will, what kind of His plans or Work He has for them to do... They should encourage people to go to God and pray about it and they should leave it at that.
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Post by Grant on Jul 6, 2020 5:05:36 GMT -5
How long after did you left the work did you meet your wife? Were you asked to stop taking part in meeting for marrying a Catholic woman? My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days and years. I could NOT do what I doNOW on TMB for over 20 years, without her help and support all these years. She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef. and a wonderful wife and mother to my son. A few years later, I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, the overseer told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best.
Nice post Nathan, but you didn't say how long after you left the work did you meet your wife? Or maybe did you meet her while still a worker?
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 6, 2020 6:48:30 GMT -5
How long after did you left the work did you meet your wife? Were you asked to stop taking part in meeting for marrying a Catholic woman? My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days and years. I could NOT do what I doNOW on TMB for over 20 years, without her help and support all these years. She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef. and a wonderful wife and mother to my son. A few years later, I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, the overseer told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best.
There was a precious couple here , whose wife did not profess , but he did . She was a superb person , like your wife is , Nathan, She would host the workers , support him in going to meeting and also had meetings in their home , would start the hymns for singing etc etc etc . She was a believer , but not “ professing , so she was treated and viewed as an outsider . After years of this , her husband finally realized how unfair and abusive the whole situation was , and he made the decision to not allow it anymore . She said she would have kept doing it but was grateful for “ the lights to come on “ . No more 2x2 meetings fir them , and lots of “rejection” but they stood together supporting each other and remain believers , but not in thrv2x2 system Alvin
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Post by Annan on Jul 6, 2020 7:30:36 GMT -5
My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days and years. I could NOT do what I doNOW on TMB for over 20 years, without her help and support all these years. She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef. and a wonderful wife and mother to my son. A few years later, I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, the overseer told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best.
There was a precious couple here , whose wife did not profess , but he did . She was a superb person , like your wife is , Nathan, She would host the workers , support him in going to meeting and also had meetings in their home , would start the hymns for singing etc etc etc . She was a believer , but not “ professing , so she was treated and viewed as an outsider . After years of this , her husband finally realized how unfair and abusive the whole situation was , and he made the decision to not allow it anymore . She said she would have kept doing it but was grateful for “ the lights to come on “ . No more 2x2 meetings fir them , and lots of “rejection” but they stood together supporting each other and remain believers , but not in thrv2x2 system Alvin That's how it happened with my parents. My problem is with your story, NATHAN. You say that you went to God and God approved your marriage. Why then are you so strict with others when it comes to 2x2 doctrine? Why can not others go to God for answers as to if they must continue in the 2x2 way? Or are only certain rules allowed to be broken? I'm trying to make sense of all this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 7:50:26 GMT -5
There was a precious couple here , whose wife did not profess , but he did . She was a superb person , like your wife is , Nathan, She would host the workers , support him in going to meeting and also had meetings in their home , would start the hymns for singing etc etc etc . She was a believer , but not “ professing , so she was treated and viewed as an outsider . After years of this , her husband finally realized how unfair and abusive the whole situation was , and he made the decision to not allow it anymore . She said she would have kept doing it but was grateful for “ the lights to come on “ . No more 2x2 meetings fir them , and lots of “rejection” but they stood together supporting each other and remain believers , but not in thrv2x2 system Alvin That's how it happened with my parents. My problem is with your story, NATHAN. You say that you went to God and God approved your marriage. Why then are you so strict with others when it comes to 2x2 doctrine? Why can not others go to God for answers as to if they must continue in the 2x2 way? Or are only certain rules allowed to be broken? I'm trying to make sense of all this. the bible says not to be unequally yoked with UNBELIEVERS the bible doesn't say what to do with different SECTS of believers so God may or may not approve a marriage between the SECTS so nathans marriage may be okay as far we know. but i'll tell you from my parents experience it was a disaster for 2 different SECTS to marry...we ended up being raised WITHOUT GOD AT ALL until i was 13/14 cause neither would allow the other to take their children to church(not that my father went)....
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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 9:02:39 GMT -5
My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days and years. I could NOT do what I doNOW on TMB for over 20 years, without her help and support all these years. She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef. and a wonderful wife and mother to my son. A few years later, I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, the overseer told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best.
Nice post Nathan, but you didn't say how long after you left the work did you meet your wife? Or maybe did you meet her while still a worker? I met her while I was a worker, and we got married 3 months later. There are a lot more to the story, I mentioned these events, on here in the past.
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Post by Annan on Jul 6, 2020 9:07:49 GMT -5
There was a precious couple here , whose wife did not profess , but he did . She was a superb person , like your wife is , Nathan, She would host the workers , support him in going to meeting and also had meetings in their home , would start the hymns for singing etc etc etc . She was a believer , but not “ professing , so she was treated and viewed as an outsider . After years of this , her husband finally realized how unfair and abusive the whole situation was , and he made the decision to not allow it anymore . She said she would have kept doing it but was grateful for “ the lights to come on “ . No more 2x2 meetings fir them , and lots of “rejection” but they stood together supporting each other and remain believers , but not in thrv2x2 system Alvin That's how it happened with my parents. My problem is with your story, NATHAN. You say that you went to God and God approved your marriage. Why then are you so strict with others when it comes to 2x2 doctrine? Why can not others go to God for answers as to if they must continue in the 2x2 way? Or are only certain rules allowed to be broken? I'm trying to make sense of all this.
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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 9:10:15 GMT -5
That's how it happened with my parents. My problem is with your story, NATHAN. You say that you went to God and God approved your marriage. Why then are you so strict with others when it comes to 2x2 doctrine? Why can not others go to God for answers as to if they must continue in the 2x2 way? Or are only certain rules allowed to be broken? I'm trying to make sense of all this. the bible says not to be unequally yoked with UNBELIEVERS the bible doesn't say what to do with different SECTS of believers so God may or may not approve a marriage between the SECTS so nathans marriage may be okay as far we know. but i'll tell you from my parents experience it was a disaster for 2 different SECTS to marry...we ended up being raised WITHOUT GOD AT ALL until i was 13/14 cause neither would allow the other to take their children to church(not that my father went).... I studied those verses after what happened to me. Paul was talking about Christians men believers at Corinth NOT be unequally yoked with prostitutes temples because their bodies are the temple of God. Paul mentioned in the same epistles and other epistles that when the believers had NOT been Christians to STAY with them and NOT to leave them. If they leave then that is OK but they must remain unmarried unless they died.
Like said marry professing mates are NOT 100% they going to stay TRUE to you, either. So, the BEST thing is to PRAY to God to pick and choose for you and hopefully both will put 100% into the marriage to make it work.
I know what you are saying about your mom and I agree, children raise in the 2x2 and NOT must make their own choice to serve God. We can help and guide them in the right direction the choice has to be theirs, they must choose it for themselves NOT to please you or anyone.
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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 9:12:41 GMT -5
That's how it happened with my parents. My problem is with your story, NATHAN. You say that you went to God and God approved your marriage. Why then are you so strict with others when it comes to 2x2 doctrine? Why can not others go to God for answers as to if they must continue in the 2x2 way? Or are only certain rules allowed to be broken? I'm trying to make sense of all this. Well, I learned many lessons from my own experiences that God had lead me through... I can only point people to follow Jesus Christ the New Testament Church and fellowship and I explained to them WHY it has to be a MUST and the choice is up to them to decide.
As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to the water to drink but can't force to drink it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2020 13:18:48 GMT -5
Nice post Nathan, but you didn't say how long after you left the work did you meet your wife? Or maybe did you meet her while still a worker? I met her while I was a worker, and we got married 3 months later. There are a lot more to the story, I mentioned these events, on here in the past.
I see!
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Post by fixit on Jul 6, 2020 15:03:13 GMT -5
Nice post Nathan, but you didn't say how long after you left the work did you meet your wife? Or maybe did you meet her while still a worker? I met her while I was a worker, and we got married 3 months later. There are a lot more to the story, I mentioned these events, on here in the past.
I guess the overseer wanted to make sure no one thought he approved of one of his staff marrying a Catholic girl.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2020 15:52:07 GMT -5
Nice post Nathan, but you didn't say how long after you left the work did you meet your wife? Or maybe did you meet her while still a worker? I met her while I was a worker, and we got married 3 months later. There are a lot more to the story, I mentioned these events, on here in the past.
You should have found a sister worker for a girlfriend. You could have remained a worker, as long as you didn't marry her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 19:22:21 GMT -5
I'd like to get back to the purpose of this thread, Was Jesus God, temporarily in a man's clothing (so to speak), Or a man, born of the spirit to begin with, (the water a matter of proprieties) but subject to failure, i.e. loss of faith. Why is it necessary to believe one way or the other? Yes, he was the Word (God) manifested in the flesh. He wasn't born of the spirit, he was born of woman. The Spirit came at his baptism, "The Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him" (Luke 3:22). I personally don't believe he was subject to failure, and certainly not a loss of faith, as he did neither.
Thanks Dan, I certainly agree he was born of woman, I don't understand the part about being God (the Word) but not having the Holy Spirit until he was roughly 30 yrs old - since they are one? I would say he exhibited it (the Holy Spirit) already at 12. I can understand having the Holy Spirit descended on one's self, but not being God, like you or I can experience, but not be for example. You didn't touch on it, and I probably didn't ask it right, but do you think it is necessary to believe one way or another? (subject to failure, or God, who could not be)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 19:32:29 GMT -5
Yes, he was the Word (God) manifested in the flesh. He wasn't born of the spirit, he was born of woman. The Spirit came at his baptism, "The Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him" (Luke 3:22). I personally don't believe he was subject to failure, and certainly not a loss of faith, as he did neither.
he was tempted just as we all are but choose not to give in to temptation so i say he could have failed but didn't...if he couldn't have failed then he was just going through the motions and everything was a farce...i don't like that idea.... Hi Wally. Thanks At this point, that's my feeling too. Frankly, I've been shocked by the concept, and the statement, that Jesus Christ only sort of died for us. He couldn't die, or at least that part of him couldn't because God can't die. In other words, Jesus died for us, but Christ didn't (couldn't), for those 3 days. Pretty much makes the "He died for our sins" either a half truth, or half lie, - take your choice.
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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 20:13:45 GMT -5
My wife was part of God's will to take care of me in the coming days and years. I could NOT do what I doNOW on TMB for over 20 years, without her help and support all these years. She was a doctor, and a Vietnamese chef. and a wonderful wife and mother to my son. A few years later, I found out I was a diabetic at the age of 30 years and I didn't know about it... She has been given me insulin shots every nights and I take the pills during the days.
Yes, the overseer told me I could NOT take parts in the Sunday morning meeting; I was willing for it I didn't take part for a year. Everything has worked out far better than I could ever imagine and beyond my Wildest dreams; God's Will is always best.
There was a precious couple here , whose wife did not profess , but he did . She was a superb person , like your wife is , Nathan, She would host the workers , support him in going to meeting and also had meetings in their home , would start the hymns for singing etc etc etc . She was a believer , but not “ professing , so she was treated and viewed as an outsider . After years of this , her husband finally realized how unfair and abusive the whole situation was , and he made the decision to not allow it anymore . She said she would have kept doing it but was grateful for “ the lights to come on “ . No more 2x2 meetings fir them , and lots of “rejection” but they stood together supporting each other and remain believers , but not in thrv2x2 system Alvin Thanks, Alvin... I just continue to serve my God, Christ/Savior and continue in the Work He has given me to do. I don't let the 2x2 gossiping mill to bother me, or to get me down they don't know what the heck going me with me and my life. I just like the duck, let the water runs off its back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 20:15:38 GMT -5
What I do not understand about your punishment is that after a year you were allowed to take part again but you were still married to her. What exactly was the point of the punishment? Is she a catholic? The silly punishment was because I married an unprofessing woman! Her father studied to become a Catholic Priest, and her mother is a Buddhist. I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I had NEVER heard NOT to take parts, but I obeyed their rules to show them I have the right spirit. My wife has similar of my background before I professed.
Looking back, and studied the verses they teach about be NOT Yoke with unbelievers, I believe the workers took those verses out of context. I have explained those verses in the past on TMB. It's an ideal to marry professing mates in the truth but we KNOW many of them end up in divorce and remarried to an un-professing mates later.
The best thing to do is PRAY to God, and ask Him to find and pick the mates for us... whether professing or NOT. This earthly marriage is ONLY temporary thing on this side of life. My wife has great respect for the workers, and she has allowed me to go to all the meetings I desire, working at home on TMB, this way I stay out of trouble. busy working for God. I am happy doing what I am doing, this is more my cup of tea. In the work we preach mostly to the 20-40 choirs of the friends, we hardly have any outsiders come to our gospel meetings. Spent too much time at preps projects, conventions, and etc... TMB is more my type of gift as an apostle, teaching the gospels. Eph. 4:11-15
I enjoyed stayed in the friends homes and getting to KNOW them better than greeting them at conventions or after in the gospel meetings. Those were some of the most high lights in the work getting to know the friends in a closer relationship, I miss that part a lot.
Thanks Nathan, for sharing your story. I'm glad things have worked out for you and your wife. You both are remarkable people. I too married an outsider. Looking over the years now, and the other possibilities I had, professing and not, she was - and is - the best all around that could have been. I think we both feel that way. Nice to get old, and have that be the case. Anyway, I wanted to say I admire your spirit about the one year of "penance". It's a small thing really, in the larger scheme of things. I can understand and acknowledge that the ideal is believer marrying believer, and so that "year" is a way of acknowledging that biblical, ideal, admonition, no big deal. I think cases like you and I - and others I know too - who have the right spirit, grace and patience about it, stand the best chance to show others (even change their minds) - it is not necessary. Love and care is. As opposed lets say, to the exes who get all bent out of shape and exercised over it.
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Post by nathan on Jul 6, 2020 20:24:36 GMT -5
The silly punishment was because I married an unprofessing woman! Her father studied to become a Catholic Priest, and her mother is a Buddhist. I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I had NEVER heard NOT to take parts, but I obeyed their rules to show them I have the right spirit. My wife has similar of my background before I professed.
Looking back, and studied the verses they teach about be NOT Yoke with unbelievers, I believe the workers took those verses out of context. I have explained those verses in the past on TMB. It's an ideal to marry professing mates in the truth but we KNOW many of them end up in divorce and remarried to an un-professing mates later.
The best thing to do is PRAY to God, and ask Him to find and pick the mates for us... whether professing or NOT. This earthly marriage is ONLY temporary thing on this side of life. My wife has great respect for the workers, and she has allowed me to go to all the meetings I desire, working at home on TMB, this way I stay out of trouble. busy working for God. I am happy doing what I am doing, this is more my cup of tea. In the work we preach mostly to the 20-40 choirs of the friends, we hardly have any outsiders come to our gospel meetings. Spent too much time at preps projects, conventions, and etc... TMB is more my type of gift as an apostle, teaching the gospels. Eph. 4:11-15
I enjoyed stayed in the friends homes and getting to KNOW them better than greeting them at conventions or after in the gospel meetings. Those were some of the most high lights in the work getting to know the friends in a closer relationship, I miss that part a lot.
Thanks Nathan, for sharing your story. I'm glad things have worked out for you and your wife. You both are remarkable people. I too married an outsider. Looking over the years now, and the other possibilities I had, professing and not, she was - and is - the best all around that could have been. I think we both feel that way. Nice to get old, and have that be the case. Anyway, I wanted to say I admire your spirit about the one year of "penance". It's a small thing really, in the larger scheme of things. I can understand and acknowledge that the ideal is believer marrying believer, and so that "year" is a way of acknowledging that biblical, ideal, admonition, no big deal. I think cases like you and I - and others I know too - who have the right spirit, grace and patience about it, stand the best chance to show others (even change their minds) - it is not necessary. Love and care is. As opposed lets say, to the exes who get all bent out of shape and exercised over it. Thanks and Amen, brother. I had inner peace with my decision, God knew my situation at the time.... The workers thought what it was best for me and my life but God has a better plan for me... Your, mine and others 2x2s in similar situation has taught us to be kind, compassionate for others, patience, and keep the right spirit no matters what. We could have gotten bitter but we didn't, we keep our eyes focus on Jesus and God as our comfort and guide.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 20:41:38 GMT -5
The 2x2's have really dug themselves into a hole on who God is. Historically, they believed that the Lord God was the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is absolutely no doubt on this point if you study sermons, hymns etc. In the late 1960's this changed and most followed the Dan Hilton line that "the Trinity was a concoction of the Catholic Church". This all culminated in the hymn changes in the 1987 book. Very few workers now understand who the Lord God is but some, like Titus Lehman (Overseer of Colorado) still uphold and preach that Jesus is God (Mudgee Convention - Australia - 2016). Most workers would understand though that thousands of people have left the 2x2's over the years re this issue. That trend continues. That is why some churches (Mormons, JW's etc) are classified by Christian pastors as cults. A cult, from a Christian perspective is simply a church that claims to be based or rooted in historic Christianity, but has deviated from or abandoned the finished work of Christ, or compromised on his person. Most workers have done this - a few haven't. I don't understand, Ross... I can't agree that the workers don't think God is the Father Son, and Holy Ghost. I know I was baptized with the last words in my ear being "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost". As I understand it the belief is, That Christ is God but Jesus is/was not. Do you say that Jesus the human, was sanctified, and thereby one and the same Christ/God? Also, what's the hole dug, in your opinion.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 6, 2020 20:44:34 GMT -5
**** I have 5 believers believe that Jesus lives inside of Venus planet according to Curly's poll... That is NOT bad the numbers are growing, it begins to make makes sense to some, eh... Keep on sharing I guess and one day it will prove that I am correct. They're closet disciples Nathan. Or people who enjoy the entertainment. No one is admitting to faith in your Jesus-lives-in-Venus science fiction. I wonder if any of those "5 believers" would admit they believe nathan's rubbish ....or if they are closet disciples fixit ? More like they enjoy the entertainment !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 20:59:24 GMT -5
Well Roselyn, you et al certainly have provided, and by the looks of it, will continue to provide all the press and platform Nathan could possibly ever hope for. Good on you! I'd suggest you continue, Nathan certainly can, and be a lot more civil about it, making you look bad.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 6, 2020 21:05:41 GMT -5
They had their reasons, they want to STOP me from marrying my wife so they thought if they asked me NOT to take parts I might NOT marrying her. Yep, after a year I went and asked the overseer if I could take parts again and he said, "YES," .... The punishment for NOT to take parts was to Scare people for marrying non-professing. So it was an attempt to control you ... and other people. Let me suggest that the fact that you had recently left the work made it more comfortable for their reputation is they could find some reason for you to be punished. My understanding from workers from both ends of the Pacific Coast is that people are not told to stop taking part in meetings just because they marry someone who is not professing. Of course, when a worker deviates from the policy, he would not be overruled. [/font][/b][/quote] Dale Schulz would be offended by that statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 21:06:34 GMT -5
I met her while I was a worker, and we got married 3 months later. There are a lot more to the story, I mentioned these events, on here in the past.
I see! lol! Said the blind man,... as he picked up his hammer, and (his) saw (too).
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 6, 2020 21:11:27 GMT -5
lol! Said the blind man,... as he picked up his hammer, and (his) saw (too). You don't get it do you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 21:14:44 GMT -5
I had inner peace with my decision, God knew my situation at the time.... The workers thought what it was best for me and my life but God has a better plan for me... Your, mine and others 2x2s in similar situation has taught us to be kind, compassionate for others, patience, and keep the right spirit no matters what. We could have gotten bitter but we didn't, we keep our eyes focus on Jesus and God as our comfort and guide. Indeed !! It was good training for dealing with ex's eh? Who are 10 times worse.
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