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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 22:06:22 GMT -5
I can tell you what the curtains looked like ! i'm sure you could...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 22:06:53 GMT -5
Unplugged ! I don’t want anymore meds given to me
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2020 2:56:39 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2020 4:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2020 4:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2020 4:24:44 GMT -5
Epic melt down !
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 20, 2020 8:20:59 GMT -5
Would you like to hear the Marion Crawford & Graham Barnes Is Graham Barnes a worker? Or a "friend" of Marion Crawford? That's why she ended up in Alberta in the first place.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2020 10:08:32 GMT -5
They are both worker’s . I am apologizing for words I cannot take back . It was a temporary split of my mind . It happens when my soul and body are stressed to the max . It was a temporary psychosis . This is a broken mind . Fractured by abuse . I am sure I need to apologize to many on here . Sorry peeps I could not control myself . No excuses for my behaviour ! 😐 sorry . I was so out of lines . Peace ✌️ out . You have seen the darkness of my poetry now . The scars are deep and don’t go away !! We never heal , forever broken .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 20, 2020 10:15:16 GMT -5
Yep they did the switch and move of Marion because of her deeds . I don’t have the energy to tell that tale . The cuts on my arms are a reminder . My split sent me to pick my feet till they bleed 🩸 last night . It’s a self harm addiction . It hurts so it distracts me from the emotional pain . I am truly heartbroken by my actions of the souls all on here that is what happens . .
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Post by christiansburg on Apr 20, 2020 10:58:59 GMT -5
The workers today haven't the passion that William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker and those older workers had for spreading the gospel. From the time of William Irvine et al, up until the late 1970's, their whole life was spreading the word. It seems that in the late '70s, as these older workers were dying off, a new type of worker emerged. Those that grew up in the '50s and '60s were a generation that started to see themselves as individuals and slowly able to have their own identity without as much influence from their parents. This slowly carried over into their place in the work and things changed for the future. They are now the senior workers of today. I remember in the 1970's the workers going to door to door knocking on doors and inviting people to meetings, handing out printed invitations; they had gospel meetings three or four times a week, plus Sunday morning and Wednesday night. Now they have gospel meetings on Sunday nights and occasionally on another weeknight, and cancel the Wednesday night study. They don't go out and invite people, they spend all their time "preaching to the choir", creating a lower and lower count of the congregation, relying on procreation. The change in society that led to this lack of passion, also created a different type of worker candidate. For some, a change from joining the work for passion of a spiritual life, now to hide from society. At a time when men and women were coming out of the closet, those same ones in the 2x2s were joining the work to hide the fact that they couldn't live an honest married life, but couldn't leave the only type of life they ever knew. The solution was to join the work. The same thing with those that had "dating and relationship" difficulties. Today we hear so much about sexual and emotional abuse in the 2x2s and the hidden culture within. Keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug, but be sure to conform to the regulations on the outside for others to see. One of the earlier workers did later lose his passion for preaching the gospel and it seems he was tuned out spiritually. Won't/can't tell you who it was just yet.
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 20, 2020 13:34:00 GMT -5
One of the earlier workers did later lose his passion for preaching the gospel and it seems he was tuned out spiritually. Won't/can't tell you who it was just yet. One of many...
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Post by nathan on Apr 20, 2020 14:56:01 GMT -5
One of the earlier workers did later lose his passion for preaching the gospel and it seems he was tuned out spiritually. Won't/can't tell you who it was just yet. One of many... *** Workers get burned out like any jobs out there. Some fall in love and want to settle down and having children of their own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 16:29:52 GMT -5
The biggest reason for Worker burnout is mandatory celibacy. Get rid of that stupid rule, let Workers lead a normal life, they would be far happier and sensible. They would have much better connection with laity. The answer is simple, just do it.
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Post by fixit on Apr 20, 2020 17:41:37 GMT -5
The biggest reason for Worker burnout is mandatory celibacy. Get rid of that stupid rule, let Workers lead a normal life, they would be far happier and sensible. They would have much better connection with laity. The answer is simple, just do it. They would lose their differentiation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 18:12:47 GMT -5
Differentiation causes the whole problem, separation between clergy and laity. Let Workers be normal people, not in a World of their own, insular from the people. That is the good thing about Ministers in Main Stream Churches, happily married with Family, living normal lives. Much more balanced in their understanding of people, easier to connect with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 18:19:44 GMT -5
Differentiation causes the whole problem, separation between clergy and laity. Let Workers be normal people, not in a World of their own, insular from the people. That is the good thing about Ministers in Main Stream Churches, happily married with Family, living normal lives. Much more balanced in their understanding of people, easier to connect with. that doesn't help anything that just creates more distractions from the job at hand...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 18:42:35 GMT -5
Not at all Wally, the Ministers I know cope with it fine, do a better job, helping people with there every day needs. They can relate to you, you can relate to them, not on a seperate level. Will even sit down with you and enjoy a drink and have a good old yarn. That is good for the soul.
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Post by nathan on Apr 20, 2020 19:17:31 GMT -5
The biggest reason for Worker burnout is mandatory celibacy. Get rid of that stupid rule, let Workers lead a normal life, they would be far happier and sensible. They would have much better connection with laity. The answer is simple, just do it. You don't understand what you are talking about... That is NOT what Jesus said about celibacy, he said it was a wonderful blessings a only the FEW are chosen for that calling he said in Matthew 19:10-12 10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Matthew 19:27-29 7 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.Jesus said the apostles/workers shall receive 100 folds in this life and more to come in the next life. If the apostles felt the urge for sexual desires were too strong and could NOT control it he offered a way out, Paul wrote in I Cor. 7:9 After all, it is better to marry than to burn with desire. But if you cannot restrain your desires, go ahead and marry--it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
There is no SHAME! for workers getting married and having families... I know a few ex-workers had convention ground, and their adopted son went in the work. Another married couple had convention grounds and now their oldest son taken over as the new convention ground owners. We had ex-workers are church elders, and others ex-workers open their homes to welcome the workers to stay in their homes.
The work is one of the most interesting places God has called and chosen for the few... It has ups and downs, joy and sorrows interwoven... It was an experience of a wonderful time of my life... My time in the ministry was very interesting, fill with most joy, happiness and some sorrows, over all it was good all around. A life of a married man is also amazing, I am glad I have experienced both lifestyles.
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Post by nathan on Apr 20, 2020 19:23:45 GMT -5
Differentiation causes the whole problem, separation between clergy and laity. Let Workers be normal people, not in a World of their own, insular from the people. That is the good thing about Ministers in Main Stream Churches, happily married with Family, living normal lives. Much more balanced in their understanding of people, easier to connect with. that doesn't help anything that just creates more distractions from the job at hand... Yes, it can be VERY challenging life for married workers with children. When people follow Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry, Itinerant or constantly moving from house to house it would create PLENTY of problems for the children... They had to depend on the friends in the field to supply their family needs can be challenging!
Well, the pastors housing are supplied by the 10% tithings from the church. The pastors receive a monthly salary so they don't depend on the believers to support them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 19:34:16 GMT -5
Nathan your reasoning just does not stack up. How come many of the earlier Workers were married, and that got changed. According to your logic it was wrong, I don't agree. Probably one of the most significant Workers I knew, who had great interest and connection with his staff, and the people, was Bill Carroll. Married with a Daughter and together they wrote many hymns. Workers should connect with the people, they should not be apart in a World of there own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 19:36:40 GMT -5
that doesn't help anything that just creates more distractions from the job at hand... Yes, it can be VERY challenging life for married workers with children. When people follow Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry, Itinerant or constantly moving from house to house it would create PLENTY of problems for the children... They had to depend on the friends in the field to supply their family needs can be challenging!
Well, the pastors housing are supplied by the 10% tithings from the church. The pastors receive a monthly salary so they don't depend on the believers to support them.
Who the hell do think provides the money for this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 20:31:33 GMT -5
Nathan your reasoning just does not stack up. How come many of the earlier Workers were married, and that got changed. According to your logic it was wrong, I don't agree. Probably one of the most significant Workers I knew, who had great interest and connection with his staff, and the people, was Bill Carroll. Married with a Daughter and together they wrote many hymns. Workers should connect with the people, they should not be apart in a World of there own. define many...i was thinking it was 30-40 couples tops....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 20:38:52 GMT -5
about 50 couples
Batstone, Verdun & Anna (nee Bryant) Beattie, Ralph & Rene (nee Amy Constance Irene Lester) Tasmania , Australia Betty, Tom & Elizabeth (Lily) (nee Pendreigh) Brown, Joe & Grace (nee Prideaux) U.S.A - Hawaii and Oregon * Butler , Arthur & Emma *Bye, Lars & Olga (nee Wold) were Norwegian *Carelse, Andrew & Ann (nee____________), South Africa Carroll, William (Bill) & Margaret/Maggie (nee Hastings) Ireland ; Australia Christie, David (Dave) & Emily (nee Wilson ) Hawaii *Cunningham, Bob & Elizabeth (Bella) (nee ____________) England Dalrymple, Robert & Ruth (nee Brost) deGroot, Albert J. & Emma M. (nee Besk) Dennison, Tom & Shirley ( nee Jesiek Tennessee , Georgia 1971-72 Dickson, Nathaneal (Nat) & Annie (nee Metcalf) Ireland Doak, Hugh & Dessie (nee Dick) Downie, Frank & Elsie (nee Ingram) Scotland ? Dunshee, Willard Amos & Ethel E. (nee McVicker) Elliott, Tom & Ellen (nee Stinson) Gard, Edward (Ed) & Caroline (Carrie) (nee Palmer) Graham, Robert & Maude (nee Pryor) *Guy, Bob & Mrs.__________ Harris, Vernandez & Edith (nee unknown) Jamaica Hartmann, Otto & Manny (nee Schneider ) Germany Heselwood, Arther (Arthur) & Elizabeth/Lily, Lizzie nee Ripley Johnson, George & Ella ( nee Powers) Kilpatrick, Tom & Martha (nee___) South Africa Kleven, Joseph (Joe) & Minnie ( nee Propp) MacLeod, Murdo & Dollie (nee MacLean) Ontario Magowan, Alfred & Sara Kerr (nee Dawson ) *McClung, Walter & Christina (Chrissie) (nee McLennan) McClung, Wilson & Anne (Annie) (nee Kerr) Ireland , Australia , New Zealand McIlwrath, William (Willie) & Mildred (Minnie) Olive (nee Spillett) Medica, Martin & Catherine Elizabeth (Betty) (nee ___________ ) Caribbean Micheletos, John & Anna (Annie) (nee McBride) *Peterson, Mr. & Mrs. Gus (nee__________) *Pitts, Jim & Mary Plaatjies, James & Gertie (nee_______) Africa Punke, Ernst & Finny (nee_______) Germany , Australia , Austria Quick, Frank & Hilda (nee Vogt from Australia ) Australia , New Zealand *Richter, Charles (Charlie) & Belle (nee Weydt) *Robinson, Les & Evelyn (nee___________). Australia Scott, Alexander ( Sandy ) & Eva (nee Idso; Iowa ) Scott, Joseph (Joe) & Mary Ann (Millie) (nee________?) Smith, John Robert (aka Bob or João in Brazil ) & Martha (nee Hogg) *Steward, Andy & Mrs. _______ *Thompson, Thomas & Annie (nee Swift) Pennsylvania Walker, George & Margaret "Maggie" (nee Dane of Enniskillen , Ireland ) Wilson, Matt & Leticia (nee Armstrong) Winegard, Ellsworth (1897-1959) & Caroline (nee Bedette) (1898-1978)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 21:01:03 GMT -5
So if it was OK then, why not now???.
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Post by nathan on Apr 20, 2020 21:11:38 GMT -5
Yes, it can be VERY challenging life for married workers with children. When people follow Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry, Itinerant or constantly moving from house to house it would create PLENTY of problems for the children... They had to depend on the friends in the field to supply their family needs can be challenging!
Well, the pastors housing are supplied by the 10% tithings from the church. The pastors receive a monthly salary so they don't depend on the believers to support them.
Who the hell do think provides the money for this. Their followers but they do it incorrectly NOT the way Jesus and the apostles did it. They do it their own way NOT according to Jesus teachings.
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Post by nathan on Apr 20, 2020 21:14:46 GMT -5
So if it was OK then, why not now???. It's NOT practical at this moment/time and the Holy Spirit has NOT moved the overseers to do it... perhaps some day or when the Spirit moves the overseers to allow married workers back in the ministry again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 22:05:05 GMT -5
Who the hell do think provides the money for this. Their followers but they do it incorrectly NOT the way Jesus and the apostles did it. They do it their own way NOT according to Jesus teachings.
What rubbish you do talk. At least the money is all accounted for and spent wisely. It is completely transparent, the congregation get a copy of the report. Any surplus not required for local use is given to missions in deprived communities, people who may not even belong to that Church. This is how Christianity should work. It is called practical Christianity, not selfish, the type that Christ would endorse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 22:10:45 GMT -5
So if it was OK then, why not now???. well peter was married and probably barnabas and paul so they can be married in my estimation... BUT I like what the workers have said about the matter in the past... 1. if your not married you can concentrate on the flock better than if your married 2. you can't really attend to your family as well if your married and a worker 3. Jesus wasn't married, no matter how revisionist try to make him married
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