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Post by openingact34 on Apr 21, 2020 17:36:29 GMT -5
Dale means submit to the workers no matter what because by submitting to them you're submitting to God. That seems to be what Dale is saying. Yet Evan seemed to be saying the opposite: We do not exercise any authority over an individuals faith. They were writing for two very different audiences. Evan was trying not to cast the kingdom's pearls before the worldly swine. Dale was writing to the saints. Obviously, Dale's message is much more in line with scripture in the way that the apostles dominated the early Christians and even made them fear for their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 18:40:18 GMT -5
I don't get it, shouldn't the one message be suitable for all. They are not entertainers that change their act depending on the audience.
Not only that Evan's comments were in a legal document, where you tell the Truth, and nothing but the Truth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 20:18:38 GMT -5
I don't get it, shouldn't the one message be suitable for all. They are not entertainers that change their act depending on the audience. Not only that Evan's comments were in a legal document, where you tell the Truth, and nothing but the Truth. well in general one starts with the milk of the word with a noobie, then you graduate to meat later on.... the good book also suggest to be in season when answering questions...to me season means appropriate for whomever you are talking to...
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Post by fixit on Apr 21, 2020 20:38:43 GMT -5
I don't get it, shouldn't the one message be suitable for all. They are not entertainers that change their act depending on the audience. Not only that Evan's comments were in a legal document, where you tell the Truth, and nothing but the Truth. So if you want the truth, and nothing but the truth, then it needs to be written on a legal document?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 21, 2020 20:40:11 GMT -5
I don't get it, shouldn't the one message be suitable for all. They are not entertainers that change their act depending on the audience. Not only that Evan's comments were in a legal document, where you tell the Truth, and nothing but the Truth. So if you want the truth, and nothing but the truth, then it needs to be written on a legal document? So then why do people swear an oath to tell the truth on a bible?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2020 21:14:02 GMT -5
I don't get it, shouldn't the one message be suitable for all. They are not entertainers that change their act depending on the audience. Not only that Evan's comments were in a legal document, where you tell the Truth, and nothing but the Truth. well in general one starts with the milk of the word with a noobie, then you graduate to meat later on.... the good book also suggest to be in season when answering questions...to me season means appropriate for whomever you are talking to... I accept the concept of seasons -- but there isn't an appropriate season to lie either blatantly or by omission.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 22:20:48 GMT -5
I thought being in season was when a female animal requires a male partner. Well that is what it was on the farm with the Cows.
Can't understand why the Workers would be in season, they are celibate.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 21, 2020 22:49:46 GMT -5
well in general one starts with the milk of the word with a noobie, then you graduate to meat later on.... the good book also suggest to be in season when answering questions...to me season means appropriate for whomever you are talking to... I accept the concept of seasons -- but there isn't an appropriate season to lie either blatantly or by omission. That's what all cults do. A little bit of the easy stuff first and once you are in then comes the seriously silly stuff.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2020 23:34:07 GMT -5
I thought being in season was when a female animal requires a male partner. Well that is what it was on the farm with the Cows. Can't understand why the Workers would be in season, they are celibate. I've heard that the best season is convention preparation time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 0:27:10 GMT -5
You are right Bob, I have spent preparations living with them, they do tend to get a bit frisky. Maybe it is that Convention stew.
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Post by iam on Apr 23, 2020 11:13:20 GMT -5
So if it was OK then, why not now???. It's NOT practical at this moment/time and the Holy Spirit has NOT moved the overseers to do it... perhaps some day or when the Spirit moves the overseers to allow married workers back in the ministry again.I think it’s possibly more the thinking of the overseers than the holy spirit
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Post by iam on Apr 23, 2020 11:16:59 GMT -5
What rubbish you do talk. At least the money is all accounted for and spent wisely. It is completely transparent, the congregation get a copy of the report. Any surplus not required for local use is given to missions in deprived communities, people who may not even belong to that Church. This is how Christianity should work. It is called practical Christianity, not selfish, the type that Christ would endorse. It's NOT rubbish but a reality between Jesus own teaching/method and men's ideas and teaching/method. The friends gave the money to the ministry to spend however they want for the furtherance of the gospel. They trust the overseers and those who they in charge of the money to spend it wisely.
The overseers use the money to pay workers cancer treatments hospital bills, convention upgrades due to safety regulations for the friends and workers that can be very expensive, and no charge to the friends who attend the conventions. They send workers to other countries, money to rent their batches, buying plane tickets for them going and coming back for homes visits...
I have heard some overseers give certain amount of the friends trust funds to the Red Cross... The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings.
The workers have approved support for the Red Cross for a long time.... in Santa Ana, California, to stop students from Orange County High School of the Arts from singing “God Bless America” and “America the Beautiful” at a Red Cross luncheon yesterday. The national headquarters of the American Red Cross supports the censorship. In a news release on this subject, it exclaims “our sensitivity to religious diversity” noting its “preference for a music program that would be inclusive and not offend different populations participating in this particular event.”
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Post by iam on Apr 23, 2020 11:18:30 GMT -5
What rubbish you do talk. At least the money is all accounted for and spent wisely. It is completely transparent, the congregation get a copy of the report. Any surplus not required for local use is given to missions in deprived communities, people who may not even belong to that Church. This is how Christianity should work. It is called practical Christianity, not selfish, the type that Christ would endorse. It's NOT rubbish but a reality between Jesus own teaching/method and men's ideas and teaching/method. The friends gave the money to the ministry to spend however they want for the furtherance of the gospel. They trust the overseers and those who they in charge of the money to spend it wisely.
The overseers use the money to pay workers cancer treatments hospital bills, convention upgrades due to safety regulations for the friends and workers that can be very expensive, and no charge to the friends who attend the conventions. They send workers to other countries, money to rent their batches, buying plane tickets for them going and coming back for homes visits...
I have heard some overseers give certain amount of the friends trust funds to the Red Cross... The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings.
The workers have approved support for the Red Cross for a long time.... in Santa Ana, California, to stop students from Orange County High School of the Arts from singing “God Bless America” and “America the Beautiful” at a Red Cross luncheon yesterday. The national headquarters of the American Red Cross supports the censorship. In a news release on this subject, it exclaims “our sensitivity to religious diversity” noting its “preference for a music program that would be inclusive and not offend different populations participating in this particular event.”
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Post by nathan on Apr 23, 2020 17:09:43 GMT -5
It's NOT practical at this moment/time and the Holy Spirit has NOT moved the overseers to do it... perhaps some day or when the Spirit moves the overseers to allow married workers back in the ministry again. I think it’s possibly more the thinking of the overseers than the holy spirit *** I believe the Holy Spirit is more powerful than all of the overseers, apostles/workers combine. Like some overseers didn't want to deal with CSA problems within the ministry, 60 min. 2x2 CSA scandal on T.V. demoted that overseer from his position and they established guidelines for all overseers, workers, and the friends to follow. The Holy Spirit is the Overseer of all overseers. If He wants something things to change it will be done and men have little to say about it. If the Hype Spirit wanted married workers to be back in the work it will be done.
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2020 4:55:47 GMT -5
I think it’s possibly more the thinking of the overseers than the holy spirit *** I believe the Holy Spirit is more powerful than all of the overseers, apostles/workers combine. Like some overseers didn't want to deal with CSA problems within the ministry, 60 min. 2x2 CSA scandal on T.V. demoted that overseer from his position and they established guidelines for all overseers, workers, and the friends to follow. The Holy Spirit is the Overseer of all overseers. If He wants something things to change it will be done and men have little to say about it. If the Hype Spirit wanted married workers to be back in the work it will be done. Did the holy spirit make sure that Israel did what God wanted?
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2020 4:59:13 GMT -5
The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings Are the friends incapable of making good charitable donation choices? Wouldn't the friends prefer to give money directly to the Red Cross if that's where they want their money to go?
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Post by nathan on Apr 24, 2020 8:59:18 GMT -5
*** I believe the Holy Spirit is more powerful than all of the overseers, apostles/workers combine. Like some overseers didn't want to deal with CSA problems within the ministry, 60 min. 2x2 CSA scandal on T.V. demoted that overseer from his position and they established guidelines for all overseers, workers, and the friends to follow. The Holy Spirit is the Overseer of all overseers. If He wants something things to change it will be done and men have little to say about it. If the Hype Spirit wanted married workers to be back in the work it will be done. Did the holy spirit make sure that Israel did what God wanted? Yes. Godhead, and the Holy Spirit is in control even they don't do His will, they still fulfill His plans.
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Post by nathan on Apr 24, 2020 9:03:41 GMT -5
The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings Are the friends incapable of making good charitable donation choices? Yes, the friends can donate or help anyone they want, they don't need the workers approval. I gave things to goodwill, give money to the homeless or those in need.
Wouldn't the friends prefer to give money directly to the Red Cross if that's where they want their money to go? The friends can do whatever they want with their money or whichever charity they want to donate. It's their money NOT the workers. They can also stop given the workers money if they don't agree with what the workers are doing and the they respect that.
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Post by iam on Apr 24, 2020 11:10:43 GMT -5
Quench not the holy spirit. There aren’t married workers because the spirit is quenched. It seems that the more men are in control the less the spirit is in control. It’s hard to let go of control.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 24, 2020 12:49:57 GMT -5
The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings Are the friends incapable of making good charitable donation choices? Wouldn't the friends prefer to give money directly to the Red Cross if that's where they want their money to go? You are forgetting that only the workers are allowed to do the thinking.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 24, 2020 12:51:04 GMT -5
Did the holy spirit make sure that Israel did what God wanted? Yes. Godhead, and the Holy Spirit is in control even they don't do His will, they still fulfill His plans.
That's a classic statement about man inventing god in man's image.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2020 13:23:25 GMT -5
I have and my family have never been helped to pay for my mom’s care . She has been professing 78 years now . It comes out of my disability pay . Plus I have 3 addicts who cannot work . A can of tuna can last 3 days . I told them upfront no more envelopes . Not in will either . We think 💭 she has payed enough .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2020 13:27:00 GMT -5
Why do they travel to exotic places for a convention trip ? Why does a worker have to go from YYC to Australia & such ? Kind of weird as they don’t all speak English . I don’t understand
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 24, 2020 13:40:51 GMT -5
Dale Shultz seemed to think differently... ...it does remain the right thing to respect that decision because of where it has come from and to work with it no matter what our own thoughts might be on the subject. This is a very practical area where we can exercise the teaching of 11 Corinthians 10:5, "- bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." We may think that we are "obeying men" and not "obeying Christ" when we submit to something that seems wrong to our own thinking. However, the scriptures teach so much about submission e.g. to the government of the land, wives to husbands, children to parents, the Lord's people to the ministry, etc. That teaching doesn't just apply when the governments, husbands, parents or workers are 100% on the right track, but it applies in a very comprehensive way. We also know that a point could be reached in these different relationships in which submission is generally expected where, because of some deep conviction before God, we would feel that we could not submit to something that is being asked of us. Sounds like a defence statement in court. Knowing Dale, I could see him preparing for that day to happen.
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 24, 2020 13:53:00 GMT -5
Why do they travel to exotic places for a convention trip ? Why does a worker have to go from YYC to Australia & such ? Kind of weird as they don’t all speak English . I don’t understand When they travel around the world, they are seen amongst the friends and other workers as celebrities. Visiting workers are treated like eminent superstars. Yet mockery towards other faiths who's notable travel for the same reason is not only accepted, it is encouraged.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2020 14:01:05 GMT -5
I don’t understand what you are saying . Point by point answers if you can dummy it down then I may understand or I will get one of my kids to explain to me . My editor’s break it down so I can answer . The nurse’s just say no no no don’t ask you cannot go outside , before I even ask . Broken brain 🧠 in family . We actually all have one or two kinds of mental health disorder’s . We are discussing if the TRUTH affected us , mentally !!! Interesting 🤔 chats , right now . My youngest cuz offered for the work . My uncle sat him down the week before and said my cuz would not fair well . A good thing because my cuz has 2 mental health problems . His dad was right .
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 24, 2020 14:39:55 GMT -5
I don’t understand what you are saying . Point by point answers if you can dummy it down then I may understand or I will get one of my kids to explain to me . My editor’s break it down so I can answer . The nurse’s just say no no no don’t ask you cannot go outside , before I even ask . Broken brain 🧠 in family . We actually all have one or two kinds of mental health disorder’s . We are discussing if the TRUTH affected us , mentally !!! Interesting 🤔 chats , right now . My youngest cuz offered for the work . My uncle sat him down the week before and said my cuz would not fair well . A good thing because my cuz has 2 mental health problems . His dad was right . Think of it as an AMWAY type scheme. Only the people at the top of the pyramid get to the conferences (conventions) The ones at the bottom of the pile are told they need to do better. (have the wrong spirit)
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2020 18:36:27 GMT -5
Thank you , I understand you now 😊
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