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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 19, 2020 8:15:18 GMT -5
The workers today haven't the passion that William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker and those older workers had for spreading the gospel. From the time of William Irvine et al, up until the late 1970's, their whole life was spreading the word. It seems that in the late '70s, as these older workers were dying off, a new type of worker emerged. Those that grew up in the '50s and '60s were a generation that started to see themselves as individuals and slowly able to have their own identity without as much influence from their parents. This slowly carried over into their place in the work and things changed for the future. They are now the senior workers of today.
I remember in the 1970's the workers going to door to door knocking on doors and inviting people to meetings, handing out printed invitations; they had gospel meetings three or four times a week, plus Sunday morning and Wednesday night. Now they have gospel meetings on Sunday nights and occasionally on another weeknight, and cancel the Wednesday night study. They don't go out and invite people, they spend all their time "preaching to the choir", creating a lower and lower count of the congregation, relying on procreation.
The change in society that led to this lack of passion, also created a different type of worker candidate. For some, a change from joining the work for passion of a spiritual life, now to hide from society. At a time when men and women were coming out of the closet, those same ones in the 2x2s were joining the work to hide the fact that they couldn't live an honest married life, but couldn't leave the only type of life they ever knew. The solution was to join the work. The same thing with those that had "dating and relationship" difficulties. Today we hear so much about sexual and emotional abuse in the 2x2s and the hidden culture within. Keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug, but be sure to conform to the regulations on the outside for others to see.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 19, 2020 10:10:46 GMT -5
Today's gospel meetings are meant to keep the saints in the fold in so many instances. Today's workers won't utilize the internet and other technology to reach the tech savvy generation. Their fields are getting too large to effectively evangelize and they prefer to avoid using the internet, you tube, facebook, zoom, skype etc.. to broadcast their message to "the world".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 10:35:57 GMT -5
A worker told me about 20 years ago that he was getting push back from other workers for going to church services to meet people. He also use to stop and talk to people when he saw people working in their yards or fields. He said I went to church once myself so why should I not go the church and try and meet new people.
Yes I agree it is hard to have passion for something you do not understand or fully believe. The most passionate workers I have ever know were workers who were "wordly" at one time! Those are the ones that still talk to me today.
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 19, 2020 10:44:19 GMT -5
The change in society that led to this lack of passion, also created a different type of worker candidate. For some, a change from joining the work for passion of a spiritual life, now to hide from society. At a time when men and women were coming out of the closet, those same ones in the 2x2s were joining the work to hide the fact that they couldn't live an honest married life, but couldn't leave the only type of life they ever knew. The solution was to join the work. The same thing with those that had "dating and relationship" difficulties. Today we hear so much about sexual and emotional abuse in the 2x2s and the hidden culture within. Keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug, but be sure to conform to the regulations on the outside for others to see. I think you should take a look at those who preached in the Bible before levying that criticism. From the words of Jesus, it is very clear that some of the disciples where men who had abandoned their families. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life." Paul wrote: "Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do." Did Jesus have a healthy relationship with women, or "dating and relationship" difficulties? It is interesting to note that when the Devil tempts him, none of the temptations involve women! If you were attempting to tempt any other 30 year old straight man, using a beautiful woman would be the FIRST thing you would try! On the other hand, most adult men understand that part of the social contract is to keep your distance from other people's children and certainly never touch them. Compare that to what Jesus does: 'And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.' Consider how this might relate to millennia of abhorrent CSA abuse in the churches following.
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Post by nathan on Apr 19, 2020 10:57:25 GMT -5
God gives the workers and the friends the brains and He wants them to USE it WISELY! time and culture are changing constantly, we must obey the laws of the land at the present time. There are customs we can't do it today but it was fine in the time of Jesus and apostles.... Like Paul wrote greet each other with Holy Kiss, that was their custom in that certain culture he labored in, No holy kisses, or hand shakes greetings these days.
The Holy Spirit will guide the workers and the friends in each country, states, provinces, area to fit in with the laws of the land guidance about these things.
The workers must learn to adapt with what is going on in the world today, using different methods and ways to reach the mass NOT just preaching on Sunday and Wed. night gospel meetings and that is the ONLY to do it.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 19, 2020 11:01:36 GMT -5
Early 1900s old English methods won't reach the tech savvy 21 century computer addicted individual.
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Post by nathan on Apr 19, 2020 11:33:22 GMT -5
Early 1900s old English methods won't reach the tech savvy 21 century computer addicted individual. The TMB exes and some 2x2s have used the Internet websites to reach the mass 25 yrs ago...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 12:56:03 GMT -5
Good morning ! YES THEY HAVE ! Not a single WORKER WAS TENDING TO MY DAD WHEN HE PASSED IN 2013 Were they to busy ?How the Effing worker’s could not be bothered 😕 But they cancelled the little Wednesday meeting in his care home as there where more professing souls there Because I put a tv in his room to try to give him some pleasure . But iPads are ok , please explain to me worker’s . Cause you can get deviant, real time stuff one your iPad ! But they were there for funeral , looking to hear about his will . How DO I KNOW .BECAUSE I SPENT HOURS THERE 24/7 . Their service didn’t speak of him as a person , just rattled some bull—— verses . So I spoke about my dad and his life , about his love , compassion , kindness , pure heart . He was the love of my life , so it brought a different picture of my dad as the human being he was . His work ethic , why he professed . He only professed so he could marry my mom . Boy he got a eye opener . We watched his struggles . We had our first glass of wine with him . We went to the drive in theatres for movies , he conquered his smoke 💨 habit . But he could still speel some good swear words . He was HUMAN ABOVE ALL . Plus a elder . He never turned anyone away . No matter he could & and did found common ground with all , he would start the conversation . My bro was not able speak and tell the care centre to stop everything and do the DNR REQUEST I HAD TO LOAD THAT GUN , My dad had given me that order on me because he knew I would honour him I put the bullets in the gun and delivered what he wanted he was dead in the exact day they said he placed it on my heart . Because HE knew I would . I still struggle because I shot that gun and killed him . NO WORKERS AROUND . Did not even go to my mom who has now been professing 78 years . I can tell you all of the friends that came . I still speak to them . I visit and are welcomed in their homes . There were many . They packed his belongings so we didn’t have to go back . I still go occasionally and stand at his door and weep for him and try to forgive myself for ending his life . No worker’s . MERLIN AFFECK DID NOT KNOW MY DAD . Maybe meet my dad once . JW’s do still go door to door . We received more spiritual help from them . Again to buddy regarding my oh woes me walk a mile in my shoes and world , you may make it a effing block !
Both my eldest girls are in hospital . 1 has maybe 2 month's . My other is in psych ward . I am in hospital presently . I went for surgery and radiation and guess what . I am in total isolation because I got COVID19 while in the hospital . I cannot even see who the nurse or doctor are because covered to the max , they have to stay safe . I am learning their voices . Sometimes they just come in and sit and talk . I wear a band now that says NO CONTACT/DROPLETS so they know when I get sent for tests . I have COPD . High risk . They are sedating me as I am mentally out of control . My social worker comes everyday before she goes to her office . The sexual abuse 4 all 3 of us left a line of substance abuse . Other abuse as well We tried to get worker’s to deal with it . They choose not to acknowledge right Marion Crawford and Graham Barnes . So we will endure court . We are seeking a civil suit as well . Not for the MONEY ITS QUICKER . We will not take money . Time to check out their back account .
So keep SPEA-KING YOUR CRUELTY . Try living through a rape and my offenders are 7 2X2 currently , now full grown men who will not make eye contact with me . Collateral damage defines us .
We are not creeping and crawling around . They KNOW !!!
Cannot wait for excuses explain the TRUTH . Ya know what sucks we are all in different hospitals . Search your heart ❤️ out for me I am a N.I.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 12:57:08 GMT -5
The workers today haven't the passion that William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker and those older workers had for spreading the gospel. From the time of William Irvine et al, up until the late 1970's, their whole life was spreading the word. It seems that in the late '70s, as these older workers were dying off, a new type of worker emerged. Those that grew up in the '50s and '60s were a generation that started to see themselves as individuals and slowly able to have their own identity without as much influence from their parents. This slowly carried over into their place in the work and things changed for the future. They are now the senior workers of today. I remember in the 1970's the workers going to door to door knocking on doors and inviting people to meetings, handing out printed invitations; they had gospel meetings three or four times a week, plus Sunday morning and Wednesday night. Now they have gospel meetings on Sunday nights and occasionally on another weeknight, and cancel the Wednesday night study. They don't go out and invite people, they spend all their time "preaching to the choir", creating a lower and lower count of the congregation, relying on procreation. The change in society that led to this lack of passion, also created a different type of worker candidate. For some, a change from joining the work for passion of a spiritual life, now to hide from society. At a time when men and women were coming out of the closet, those same ones in the 2x2s were joining the work to hide the fact that they couldn't live an honest married life, but couldn't leave the only type of life they ever knew. The solution was to join the work. The same thing with those that had "dating and relationship" difficulties. Today we hear so much about sexual and emotional abuse in the 2x2s and the hidden culture within. Keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug, but be sure to conform to the regulations on the outside for others to see. except for CSA sounds like a bunch of fake news to me....
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Post by iam on Apr 19, 2020 14:00:42 GMT -5
Good morning ! YES THEY HAVE ! Not a single WORKER WAS TENDING TO MY DAD WHEN HE PASSED IN 2013 Were they to busy ?How the Effing worker’s could not be bothered 😕 But they cancelled the little Wednesday meeting in his care home as there where more professing souls there Because I put a tv in his room to try to give him some pleasure . But iPads are ok , please explain to me worker’s . Cause you can get deviant, real time stuff one your iPad ! But they were there for funeral , looking to hear about his will . How DO I KNOW .BECAUSE I SPENT HOURS THERE 24/7 . Their service didn’t speak of him as a person , just rattled some bull—— verses . So I spoke about my dad and his life , about his love , compassion , kindness , pure heart . He was the love of my life , so it brought a different picture of my dad as the human being he was . His work ethic , why he professed . He only professed so he could marry my mom . Boy he got a eye opener . We watched his struggles . We had our first glass of wine with him . We went to the drive in theatres for movies , he conquered his smoke 💨 habit . But he could still speel some good swear words . He was HUMAN ABOVE ALL . Plus a elder . He never turned anyone away . No matter he could & and did found common ground with all , he would start the conversation . My bro was not able speak and tell the care centre to stop everything and do the DNR REQUEST I HAD TO LOAD THAT GUN , My dad had given me that order on me because he knew I would honour him I put the bullets in the gun and delivered what he wanted he was dead in the exact day they said he placed it on my heart . Because HE knew I would . I still struggle because I shot that gun and killed him . NO WORKERS AROUND . Did not even go to my mom who has now been professing 78 years . I can tell you all of the friends that came . I still speak to them . I visit and are welcomed in their homes . There were many . They packed his belongings so we didn’t have to go back . I still go occasionally and stand at his door and weep for him and try to forgive myself for ending his life . No worker’s . MERLIN AFFECK DID NOT KNOW MY DAD . Maybe meet my dad once . JW’s do still go door to door . We received more spiritual help from them . Again to buddy regarding my oh woes me walk a mile in my shoes and world , you may make it a effing block ! Both my eldest girls are in hospital . 1 has maybe 2 month's . My other is in psych ward . I am in hospital presently . I went for surgery and radiation and guess what . I am in total isolation because I got COVID19 while in the hospital . I cannot even see who the nurse or doctor are because covered to the max , they have to stay safe . I am learning their voices . Sometimes they just come in and sit and talk . I wear a band now that says NO CONTACT/DROPLETS so they know when I get sent for tests . I have COPD . High risk . They are sedating me as I am mentally out of control . My social worker comes everyday before she goes to her office . The sexual abuse 4 all 3 of us left a line of substance abuse . Other abuse as well We tried to get worker’s to deal with it . They choose not to acknowledge right Marion Crawford and Graham Barnes . So we will endure court . We are seeking a civil suit as well . Not for the MONEY ITS QUICKER . We will not take money . Time to check out their back account . So keep SPEA-KING YOUR CRUELTY . Try living through a rape and my offenders are 7 2X2 currently , now full grown men who will not make eye contact with me . Collateral damage defines us . We are not creeping and crawling around . They KNOW !!! Cannot wait for excuses explain the TRUTH . Ya know what sucks we are all in different hospitals . Search your heart ❤️ out for me I am a N.I. Thinking of you very much, 1chinesewhispers. You need to get lots of rest. Glad you are in hospital where you can get all the treatment needed. Take care.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 15:42:46 GMT -5
Go to you tube and check for song called you can let go now daddy . I spoke those words at his funeral . Along with Amazing Grace his request . To the person who volunteered last night to take a beautiful flowers for my Auntie you are a compassionate person who has a good heart . You made me cry 😢 it takes a lot to get me to cry .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 16:29:42 GMT -5
Yes the sad thing is that time has passed the Workers by. The message they were flogging 120 years ago will not cut it now. Life was very simple then not so much different to when the first Christian Church was founded in 313 A.D. Sure the wheel had been invented, but not like the advanced one we have today. I never lived in a home with electricity until 1953, and it all took off after that. The advancement in my lifetime has been staggering. So with that simple life style it was easy for Workers to flog the line " We are the only true Church following Christ, all others are false". Our Parents and many others fell for it. It won't cut the mustard now because people became aware that it was a lie, the centre piece of worship for all Christian Churches is Christ.
Workers do not have proper knowledge of theology. They have leant the 2x2 version of it with all the extra bits and pieces thrown in. They are seriously lacking in the history side of it. They need to go to College. You would not go and see a Doctor with a health problem, to one that was self taught.
Workers cannot perform, Christenings, Weddings or Funerals important events people expect from there Church. Again untrained.
Pastoral care is seriously lacking, again untrained. If they are unable to do it allow the Elders to be trained to do it. A single Worker should not have the power to excommunicate, stop people taking part in meetings, not partake communion. All that should be left to a committee of Elders.
The Workers have formed there own club. Not much cohesion amongst them, they pick there own job. Causes discontent in the ranks. A guy came from Europe to Australia recently to fix things up, from what I hear has caused mayhem. Sacked a few, sent others away for reprogramming , nobody knows what is going on.
Poor management of finances, money wasted on much travel. Once upon a time the Workers were there for you, now nobody knows where they are and what they are up to. Not the way to keep cohesion.
And of course they should be allowed to get married, because of sexual differences mentioned by ForeverFree.
So there are many problems and if they fail to address them they will be no more.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 19, 2020 16:39:28 GMT -5
JW’s do still go door to door . We received more spiritual help from them . **** Be careful. It is probably love bombing. They can excommunicate and shun as much or more than any group out there.I had some JWs come to my home for awhile...they were nice to me but they older one told the younger one to wipe his feet when he came into the house...reminded me of older brother workers trying to correct their younger companion of old.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 17:36:13 GMT -5
Yeah I punted them . I believe in the universe . I whisper in the wind 💨 and my universe supplies I don’t got to church . My relationship is between the universe and me only . It answers !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 17:36:58 GMT -5
Dude they keep me medicated .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 17:43:48 GMT -5
I kneel to no one . I was born with defiance disorder . But I don’t engage physically . I would not strike anyone unless they have hit me first . I am not violent at all . But don’t lift a paw 🐾 and strike me , I will defend myself .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 17:44:17 GMT -5
The CSA HAS CAUSED THAT !!!
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 19, 2020 17:52:44 GMT -5
I think you should take a look at those who preached in the Bible before levying that criticism. I'm talking about a community of religious people within the last 100+ years, not stories from the Bible. I've seen these things myself, so don't be too hasty to criticize what I've experienced. If you stand behind Jesus and throw stones, you're still throwing stones.
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 19, 2020 17:57:40 GMT -5
except for CSA sounds like a bunch of fake news to me.... That sounds like a line from a worker when being questioned about the origins of the 2x2s. Blunt answers that in other words mean "don't talk about it because I don't want to hear about it, and I don't want you to know about it".
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 19, 2020 18:26:58 GMT -5
I try to trust that people are telling the truth about their experiences. I have had people get up in my face and claim I wasn't being honest about something I heard in meeting or witnessed firsthand.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 19, 2020 19:44:09 GMT -5
You can't grow a church if you are secretive about everything. If you only give a call in phone number to the friends and not advertise it everywhere, how will the outsiders know? Some feel that seeking souls will be led to the Servants.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 20:59:43 GMT -5
I read my grandparents bible daily . They were left to me . But you are welcome to criticize me . I can roll with that . Until you endured the abuse to my children’s abuse while at convention , as my parents took them to convention and they were abused . I draw a line . I don’t care for about the evil ! Do you have children ? Were they sexually abuse ? You are welcome to express your feeling . Have you lived that path ? Were your children abuse from 2 years old till I was excommunicated . For reporting my abuse I was excommunicated !!! Walk my children’s path tell me the good . If you don’t like what I say , stop reading ! This is no game . After court proceedings then judge ! I can tell you the details . You would be appalled !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 21:00:37 GMT -5
I read my grandparents bible daily . They were left to me . But you are welcome to criticize me . I can roll with that . Until you endured the abuse to my children’s abuse while at convention , as my parents took them to convention and they were abused . I draw a line . I don’t care for about the evil ! Do you have children ? Were they sexually abuse ? You are welcome to express your feeling . Have you lived that path ? Were your children abuse from 2 years old till I was excommunicated . For reporting my abuse I was excommunicated !!! Walk my children’s path tell me the good . If you don’t like what I say , stop reading !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 21:05:00 GMT -5
I find it ironic that you speak of my story .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 21:15:50 GMT -5
My great uncle was a worker . He had a child ! While a worker . Charlie Ross is his name !!!! DNA tests have been done . If you don’t like it block me . Don’t read and think the bible answers everything ! Ban me !!! I don’t care , if you lived it then speak ! Quotes of bible do not undo what we endured . I don’t get a rats a— . Judgment day will be harsh for some . My mom has professed for 79 years . We speak about it . My father apologized before he was to unable to till he passed . He said I am so sorry 😐 You were not meant to live in that faith . You needed to be free . He apologized ! My mom knows and cries and police have video before she might pass . 78 years she had been faithful and she wanted to participate !! She can repeat the bible .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 21:59:33 GMT -5
Wally do you want a play be play of the CSA ! The woman have revealed their stories to me .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 22:02:05 GMT -5
Wally do you want a play be play of the CSA ! The woman have revealed their stories to me . ummm no why would i?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 19, 2020 22:05:00 GMT -5
I can tell you what the curtains looked like !
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