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Post by iam on Apr 20, 2020 22:28:31 GMT -5
So if it was OK then, why not now???. well peter was married and probably barnabas and paul so they can be married in my estimation... BUT I like what the workers have said about the matter in the past... 1. if your not married you can concentrate on the flock better than if your married 2. you can't really attend to your family as well if your married and a worker 3. Jesus wasn't married, no matter how revisionist try to make him married They’re not married and we most definitely don’t feel like they’re attending to the needs of the flock. We have felt abandoned and neglected.....unless we give them money.
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Post by iam on Apr 20, 2020 22:37:14 GMT -5
I know at least one worker right now that is having a romantic relationship with one of the friends. Maybe there would be a better relationship with the people in the home if marriage in the ministry was “allowed “. There shouldn’t be so much control over these things. It limits the workings of the spirit. Yes it’s better not to marry according to scriptures, and for those that can live like that will receive the greater blessing. I know that some of the old married workers didn’t get married for sex, either. It was strictly something the spirit approved of and was a great help to many they ministered to.
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 20, 2020 23:02:18 GMT -5
And what about the new trend? Divorced men and women going in the work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 23:14:55 GMT -5
And what about the new trend? Divorced men and women going in the work. where pray tell is that happening?
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Post by nathan on Apr 20, 2020 23:43:53 GMT -5
Their followers but they do it incorrectly NOT the way Jesus and the apostles did it. They do it their own way NOT according to Jesus teachings. What rubbish you do talk. At least the money is all accounted for and spent wisely. It is completely transparent, the congregation get a copy of the report. Any surplus not required for local use is given to missions in deprived communities, people who may not even belong to that Church. This is how Christianity should work. It is called practical Christianity, not selfish, the type that Christ would endorse. It's NOT rubbish but a reality between Jesus own teaching/method and men's ideas and teaching/method. The friends gave the money to the ministry to spend however they want for the furtherance of the gospel. They trust the overseers and those who they in charge of the money to spend it wisely.
The overseers use the money to pay workers cancer treatments hospital bills, convention upgrades due to safety regulations for the friends and workers that can be very expensive, and no charge to the friends who attend the conventions. They send workers to other countries, money to rent their batches, buying plane tickets for them going and coming back for homes visits...
I have heard some overseers give certain amount of the friends trust funds to the Red Cross... The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 20, 2020 23:54:12 GMT -5
about 50 couples Batstone, Verdun & Anna (nee Bryant) Beattie, Ralph & Rene (nee Amy Constance Irene Lester) Tasmania , Australia Betty, Tom & Elizabeth (Lily) (nee Pendreigh) Brown, Joe & Grace (nee Prideaux) U.S.A - Hawaii and Oregon * Butler , Arthur & Emma *Bye, Lars & Olga (nee Wold) were Norwegian *Carelse, Andrew & Ann (nee____________), South Africa Carroll, William (Bill) & Margaret/Maggie (nee Hastings) Ireland ; Australia Christie, David (Dave) & Emily (nee Wilson ) Hawaii *Cunningham, Bob & Elizabeth (Bella) (nee ____________) England Dalrymple, Robert & Ruth (nee Brost) deGroot, Albert J. & Emma M. (nee Besk) Dennison, Tom & Shirley ( nee Jesiek Tennessee , Georgia 1971-72 Dickson, Nathaneal (Nat) & Annie (nee Metcalf) Ireland Doak, Hugh & Dessie (nee Dick) Downie, Frank & Elsie (nee Ingram) Scotland ? Dunshee, Willard Amos & Ethel E. (nee McVicker) Elliott, Tom & Ellen (nee Stinson) Gard, Edward (Ed) & Caroline (Carrie) (nee Palmer) Graham, Robert & Maude (nee Pryor) *Guy, Bob & Mrs.__________ Harris, Vernandez & Edith (nee unknown) Jamaica Hartmann, Otto & Manny (nee Schneider ) Germany Heselwood, Arther (Arthur) & Elizabeth/Lily, Lizzie nee Ripley Johnson, George & Ella ( nee Powers) Kilpatrick, Tom & Martha (nee___) South Africa Kleven, Joseph (Joe) & Minnie ( nee Propp) MacLeod, Murdo & Dollie (nee MacLean) Ontario Magowan, Alfred & Sara Kerr (nee Dawson ) *McClung, Walter & Christina (Chrissie) (nee McLennan) McClung, Wilson & Anne (Annie) (nee Kerr) Ireland , Australia , New Zealand McIlwrath, William (Willie) & Mildred (Minnie) Olive (nee Spillett) Medica, Martin & Catherine Elizabeth (Betty) (nee ___________ ) Caribbean Micheletos, John & Anna (Annie) (nee McBride) *Peterson, Mr. & Mrs. Gus (nee__________) *Pitts, Jim & Mary Plaatjies, James & Gertie (nee_______) Africa Punke, Ernst & Finny (nee_______) Germany , Australia , Austria Quick, Frank & Hilda (nee Vogt from Australia ) Australia , New Zealand *Richter, Charles (Charlie) & Belle (nee Weydt) *Robinson, Les & Evelyn (nee___________). Australia Scott, Alexander ( Sandy ) & Eva (nee Idso; Iowa ) Scott, Joseph (Joe) & Mary Ann (Millie) (nee________?) Smith, John Robert (aka Bob or João in Brazil ) & Martha (nee Hogg) *Steward, Andy & Mrs. _______ *Thompson, Thomas & Annie (nee Swift) Pennsylvania Walker, George & Margaret "Maggie" (nee Dane of Enniskillen , Ireland ) Wilson, Matt & Leticia (nee Armstrong) Winegard, Ellsworth (1897-1959) & Caroline (nee Bedette) (1898-1978) from TTT I wonder if the earth moved for that chap Richter.
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Post by nathan on Apr 20, 2020 23:55:50 GMT -5
And what about the new trend? Divorced men and women going in the work. Many Christians believe Paul had been a married man before Christ called him in the ministry... Some believe Paul was married based on his status as a Pharisee. History tells us that to join the Sanhedrin a man must be married. According to his epistles to Corinthians it seemed he had a good knowledge of a married man understanding.
I have met and known two workers are divorced in the work. One divorced sister worker was on our staff 40 years ago, and she had a wonderful ministry till her health gave up on her. The other was a man I stayed in his home and son before he went in the work 35 years ago. He is still in the work today and doing good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 0:12:51 GMT -5
The Ministers I know all handle in fine. They still find time to preach the Gospel, many Churches hold missions including Catholics. The ministers are not just a "One-trick pony" like the Workers.
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 0:17:46 GMT -5
So if it was OK then, why not now???. well peter was married and probably barnabas and paul so they can be married in my estimation... BUT I like what the workers have said about the matter in the past... 1. if your not married you can concentrate on the flock better than if your married 2. you can't really attend to your family as well if your married and a worker 3. Jesus wasn't married, no matter how revisionist try to make him married I agree Jesus had NEVER been a married man, he wanted to set the BEST example for most of the apostles/workers to follow as an Itinerant preacher of the gospel. However, God called Peter who was married with no children and a few other apostles. It seems John, Matthew, Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Silas and many other apostles follow Jesus example as unmarried apostle and they didn't follow Peter example as a married apostle.
Jesus said seek ye FIRST for the kingdom of God...
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 0:23:43 GMT -5
The Ministers I know all handle in fine. They still find time to preach the Gospel, many Churches hold missions including Catholics. The ministers are not just a "One-trick pony" like the Workers. Yes, I know but they DON'T Follow Jesus instructions and pattern as preachers of the New Testament that can be VERY dangerous in the day of judgment and they receive ONLY condemnation. Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Why, did Jesus/God tell them to depart and call workers of iniquity because he didn't send them and they did their own ways and NOT following his instructions. Therefore, all of their good works good for NOTHING at the end.
I was in these preachers shoes before, but I asked God to show me the WAY! and He did, I didn't want to lead people to a way that end up in the WRONG path and place where their souls will spend for Eternity without God's presence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 0:58:03 GMT -5
Nathan you are referring to what took place 2000 years ago. Different age, different place. Yes sure the Workers used to use your lines as a catch phrase 100 years ago, and many fell for it. Sorry it is now 2020, we need to keep up with the times, everything changes
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2020 1:04:35 GMT -5
And what about the new trend? Divorced men and women going in the work. where pray tell is that happening? In both Canada and the US that I know of for sure.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2020 1:06:44 GMT -5
And what about the new trend? Divorced men and women going in the work. Many Christians believe Paul had been a married man before Christ called him in the ministry... Some believe Paul was married based on his status as a Pharisee. History tells us that to join the Sanhedrin a man must be married. According to his epistles to Corinthians it seemed he had a good knowledge of a married man understanding.
I have met and known two workers are divorced in the work. One divorced sister worker was on our staff and she had a wonderful ministry till her health gave up on her. The other was a man I stayed in his home and son before he went in the work. He is still in the work today and doing good.Paul wasn't Palestinian and he wasn't in the Sanhedrin.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 21, 2020 1:16:39 GMT -5
What rubbish you do talk. At least the money is all accounted for and spent wisely. It is completely transparent, the congregation get a copy of the report. Any surplus not required for local use is given to missions in deprived communities, people who may not even belong to that Church. This is how Christianity should work. It is called practical Christianity, not selfish, the type that Christ would endorse. It's NOT rubbish but a reality between Jesus own teaching/method and men's ideas and teaching/method. The friends gave the money to the ministry to spend however they want for the furtherance of the gospel. They trust the overseers and those who they in charge of the money to spend it wisely.
The overseers use the money to pay workers cancer treatments hospital bills, convention upgrades due to safety regulations for the friends and workers that can be very expensive, and no charge to the friends who attend the conventions. They send workers to other countries, money to rent their batches, buying plane tickets for them going and coming back for homes visits...
I have heard some overseers give certain amount of the friends trust funds to the Red Cross... The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings.
Ah, perhaps they do just as you say to some extent;, - but just to WHAT extent?
Where to and now much and who decides?
That is the problem!
How can anyone know how fairly it is distributed?
I know from some of the stories of father when he was in the work.
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Post by Dan on Apr 21, 2020 1:16:58 GMT -5
I highly doubt that a person who gives up everything they own, a spouse, family, home, security, job, car, money, future, & all their possessions in order to go into the Work, loses their passion. You need a lot of passion to sacrifice everything for the gospels sake. Say what you want, but its not something you do for your own sake.
Sunday morning I watched TV preachers hitting people up for money during these troubled times. People out of work, out of money, and depressed, probably tuned in for inspiration, but instead had to listen to a beggar trying to suck money out of them.. Turned my stomach.. Preachers like that never had any passion in the first place, their only 'cause' is themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 1:17:19 GMT -5
Cannot understand why Nathan insists we stick with the way it was done 2000 years ago, most people have moved on. One wonders why he uses TMB as a platform, Christ didn't.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 21, 2020 1:19:39 GMT -5
It's NOT rubbish but a reality between Jesus own teaching/method and men's ideas and teaching/method. The friends gave the money to the ministry to spend however they want for the furtherance of the gospel. They trust the overseers and those who they in charge of the money to spend it wisely.
The overseers use the money to pay workers cancer treatments hospital bills, convention upgrades due to safety regulations for the friends and workers that can be very expensive, and no charge to the friends who attend the conventions. They send workers to other countries, money to rent their batches, buying plane tickets for them going and coming back for homes visits...
I have heard some overseers give certain amount of the friends trust funds to the Red Cross... The overseers do a lot of charities but they don't broadcast to the friends and the world about it. Jesus said when you do alms, Don't let your left hand knows what your right hand is doing according to His teachings.
Ah, perhaps they do just as you say to some extent;, - but just to WHAT extent?
Where to and now much and who decides?
That is the problem!
How can anyone know how fairly it is distributed?
I know from some of the stories of father when he was in the work.The 2 x2's are just a religious form of AMWAY.
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 21, 2020 1:28:34 GMT -5
where pray tell is that happening? In both Canada and the US that I know of for sure. Two in Ontario; a man and a woman. Been about 7 or 8 years now.
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 1:49:53 GMT -5
Many Christians believe Paul had been a married man before Christ called him in the ministry... Some believe Paul was married based on his status as a Pharisee. History tells us that to join the Sanhedrin a man must be married. According to his epistles to Corinthians it seemed he had a good knowledge of a married man understanding.
I have met and known two workers are divorced in the work. One divorced sister worker was on our staff and she had a wonderful ministry till her health gave up on her. The other was a man I stayed in his home and son before he went in the work. He is still in the work today and doing good. Paul wasn't Palestinian and he wasn't in the Sanhedrin. Gamaliel the Elder (/ɡəˈmeɪliəl, -ˈmɑː-, ˌɡæməˈliːəl/;[1] also spelled Gamliel; Hebrew: רבן גמליאל הזקן "Rabban Gamliel HaZaqen"; Koinē Greek: Γαμαλιὴλ ὁ Πρεσβύτερος), or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. Gamaliel is thought to have died in 52 CE (AM 3813).[2] He fathered Simeon ben Gamliel, who was named for his father,[3] and a daughter, who married a priest named Simon ben Nathanael.[4] In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law.[2] Acts of the Apostles, 5 speaks of Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews. Gamaliel encouraged his fellow Pharisees to show leniency to the apostles of Jesus in Acts 5:34 to death, and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel
Paul listened to Stephen's testimony in Acts 7 before the Sanhedrin court, it was Paul who gave the approval to put him to death by stoning for blasphemy! calling Jesus the Christ/God. Gamaliel was Paul's Rabbi Law teacher and he was one of the top leaders of Sanhedrin.
The Sanhedrin:
The Sanhedrin (Hebrew and Jewish Palestinian Aramaic: סנהדרין; Greek: Συνέδριον,[1] synedrion, "sitting together," hence "assembly" or "council") were assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one elders (known as "rabbis" after the destruction of the Second Temple), appointed to sit as a tribunal in every city in the ancient Land of Israel.
There were two classes of Jewish courts called Sanhedrin, the Great Sanhedrin and the Lesser Sanhedrin. A lesser Sanhedrin of 23 judges was appointed to each city, but there was to be only one Great Sanhedrin of 71 judges, which among other roles acted as the Supreme Court, taking appeals from cases decided by lesser courts. In general usage, "The Sanhedrin" without qualifier normally refers to the Great Sanhedrin, which was composed of the Nasi, who functioned as head or representing president, and was a member of the court; the Av Beit Din or chief of the court, who was second to the nasi; and sixty-nine general members.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 21, 2020 1:52:11 GMT -5
Paul wasn't Palestinian and he wasn't in the Sanhedrin. Gamaliel the Elder (/ɡəˈmeɪliəl, -ˈmɑː-, ˌɡæməˈliːəl/;[1] also spelled Gamliel; Hebrew: רבן גמליאל הזקן "Rabban Gamliel HaZaqen"; Koinē Greek: Γαμαλιὴλ ὁ Πρεσβύτερος), or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. Gamaliel is thought to have died in 52 CE (AM 3813).[2] He fathered Simeon ben Gamliel, who was named for his father,[3] and a daughter, who married a priest named Simon ben Nathanael.[4] In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law.[2] Acts of the Apostles, 5 speaks of Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews. Gamaliel encouraged his fellow Pharisees to show leniency to the apostles of Jesus in Acts 5:34 to death, and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel
Paul was listening to Stephen's testimony in Acts 7 before the Sanhedrin court, it was Paul who gave the approval to put him to death by stoning/blasphemy! Gamaliel was Paul's Rabbi Law teacher and he was one of the top leaders of Sanhedrin.
The Sanhedrin:
The Sanhedrin (Hebrew and Jewish Palestinian Aramaic: סנהדרין; Greek: Συνέδριον,[1] synedrion, "sitting together," hence "assembly" or "council") were assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one elders (known as "rabbis" after the destruction of the Second Temple), appointed to sit as a tribunal in every city in the ancient Land of Israel.
There were two classes of Jewish courts called Sanhedrin, the Great Sanhedrin and the Lesser Sanhedrin. A lesser Sanhedrin of 23 judges was appointed to each city, but there was to be only one Great Sanhedrin of 71 judges, which among other roles acted as the Supreme Court, taking appeals from cases decided by lesser courts. In general usage, "The Sanhedrin" without qualifier normally refers to the Great Sanhedrin, which was composed of the Nasi, who functioned as head or representing president, and was a member of the court; the Av Beit Din or chief of the court, who was second to the nasi; and sixty-nine general members.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin
But none of that changes what I wrote about Paul.
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 2:01:32 GMT -5
Nathan you are referring to what took place 2000 years ago. Different age, different place. Yes sure the Workers used to use your lines as a catch phrase 100 years ago, and many fell for it. Sorry it is now 2020, we need to keep up with the times, everything changes Jesus Christ the same as Yesterday, today and forever... His teachings are the same in every generation through the centuries... The New Testament apostolic itinerant ministry doesn't change, the New Testament fellowship/worship doesn't change, and baptism doesn't change either But the cultures, customs, and fashions and so on will continue to change in MANY different parts of the world believers of Christ... to the time of Jesus returns.
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 2:04:50 GMT -5
Gamaliel the Elder (/ɡəˈmeɪliəl, -ˈmɑː-, ˌɡæməˈliːəl/;[1] also spelled Gamliel; Hebrew: רבן גמליאל הזקן "Rabban Gamliel HaZaqen"; Koinē Greek: Γαμαλιὴλ ὁ Πρεσβύτερος), or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. Gamaliel is thought to have died in 52 CE (AM 3813).[2] He fathered Simeon ben Gamliel, who was named for his father,[3] and a daughter, who married a priest named Simon ben Nathanael.[4] In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law.[2] Acts of the Apostles, 5 speaks of Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews. Gamaliel encouraged his fellow Pharisees to show leniency to the apostles of Jesus in Acts 5:34 to death, and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel
Paul was listening to Stephen's testimony in Acts 7 before the Sanhedrin court, it was Paul who gave the approval to put him to death by stoning/blasphemy! Gamaliel was Paul's Rabbi Law teacher and he was one of the top leaders of Sanhedrin.
The Sanhedrin:
The Sanhedrin (Hebrew and Jewish Palestinian Aramaic: סנהדרין; Greek: Συνέδριον,[1] synedrion, "sitting together," hence "assembly" or "council") were assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one elders (known as "rabbis" after the destruction of the Second Temple), appointed to sit as a tribunal in every city in the ancient Land of Israel.
There were two classes of Jewish courts called Sanhedrin, the Great Sanhedrin and the Lesser Sanhedrin. A lesser Sanhedrin of 23 judges was appointed to each city, but there was to be only one Great Sanhedrin of 71 judges, which among other roles acted as the Supreme Court, taking appeals from cases decided by lesser courts. In general usage, "The Sanhedrin" without qualifier normally refers to the Great Sanhedrin, which was composed of the Nasi, who functioned as head or representing president, and was a member of the court; the Av Beit Din or chief of the court, who was second to the nasi; and sixty-nine general members.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin
But none of that changes what I wrote about Paul. I just gave you some of the possibilities that Paul could have been part of the Sanhedrin judges... he consent Stephen's death and was one of the Sanhedrin young court members.... One of the top leaders of the Sanhedrin judges was his Teacher, Gamelio.
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 2:10:01 GMT -5
Cannot understand why Nathan insists we stick with the way it was done 2000 years ago, most people have moved on. One wonders why he uses TMB as a platform, Christ didn't. Well, because Jesus didn't have TMB back in His days or in the days of the early apostles. Jesus would have love to be on TMB if he were here today! He would have fun with you folks... Telling you things that you think he is CRAZY! I am from heaven/Interior Venus.
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Post by Grant on Apr 21, 2020 2:26:58 GMT -5
The Ministers I know all handle in fine. They still find time to preach the Gospel, many Churches hold missions including Catholics. The ministers are not just a "One-trick pony" like the Workers. Yes, I know but they DON'T Follow Jesus instructions and pattern as preachers of the New Testament that can be VERY dangerous in the day of judgment and they receive ONLY condemnation. Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Why, did Jesus/God tell them to depart and call workers of iniquity because he didn't send them and they did their own ways and NOT following his instructions. Therefore, all of their good works good for NOTHING at the end.
I was in these preachers shoes before, but I asked God to show me the WAY! and He did, I didn't want to lead people to a way that end up in the WRONG path and place where their souls will spend for Eternity without God's presence.
Nothing to do with going out 2x2. Read Luke 22 and more. Most of the workers are Pastors and very little is said about pastors. Reading here about divorced workers, tell me where it says divorce is allowed in the ministry? The word worker is mostly used in reference to workers of iniquity. The words above are warnings to the workers as much as anyone else. There is far more to following Jesus than doing what the workers do. What preachers shoes before- the workers? You only went to a Pentecostal church for one year at the age of 17. Hardly gives you an idea of what a church is like. Why listen to Amir and other preachers if you believe they are false workers of iniquity?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 2:43:30 GMT -5
Nathan you completely confuse me. One post you are ancient, then next one you go modern. You will find that most people are now modern in their thinking, you deserve top marks for trying to push what they were doing 100 years ago. I think most of us would agree you are certainly trying.
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 3:15:18 GMT -5
Yes, I know but they DON'T Follow Jesus instructions and pattern as preachers of the New Testament that can be VERY dangerous in the day of judgment and they receive ONLY condemnation. Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Why, did Jesus/God tell them to depart and call workers of iniquity because he didn't send them and they did their own ways and NOT following his instructions. Therefore, all of their good works good for NOTHING at the end.
I was in these preachers shoes before, but I asked God to show me the WAY! and He did, I didn't want to lead people to a way that end up in the WRONG path and place where their souls will spend for Eternity without God's presence.
Nothing to do with going out 2x2. Read Luke 22 and more. Most of the workers are Pastors and very little is said about pastors. Reading here about divorced workers, tell me where it says divorce is allowed in the ministry? The word worker is mostly used in reference to workers of iniquity. The words above are warnings to the workers as much as anyone else. There is far more to following Jesus than doing what the workers do. What preachers shoes before- the workers? You only went to a Pentecostal church for one year at the age of 17. Hardly gives you an idea of what a church is like. Why listen to Amir and other preachers if you believe they are false workers of iniquity? Yes, we have gone over Luke 22 many times in the past... Carrying the swords, right? People have taken those verses out of context of what Jesus meant. Jesus wasn't changing how he sent them forth, he was teaching them a lesson, that their insurrection against Rome was NOT going to happen so, you don't NEED to buy any more swords! You just wasting your money on them. Two swords are enough don't buy any more, you are NOT going to need it.
Don't you have divorce pastors in many denominations today?
The workers of Iniquity because they disobeyed Jesus instructions New Testament teachings and that was why he called evil workers. They did their own ways instead of Jesus WAY.
NOT all false teachers are teaching falsely in everything that they teach.... Amir and some preachers that I have listened to are teachings good information on MANY subjects because they have seen and know things that I don't KNOW or heard it before. I don't know everything, I still a learner.
I can learn things from them because of their knowledge and understanding on many different subjects that I don't know... They help me to search these things out for myself and sometimes what they teach I believe and know it already so, I want to pass it along through them.
Yes, I was only a Pentecostal for a year but I studied their doctrines, and MANY denomination churches doctrine AFTER I became a 2x2 for 40 years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 3:21:03 GMT -5
Studying is very different to putting your bum on a pew.
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Post by nathan on Apr 21, 2020 3:25:12 GMT -5
Nathan you completely confuse me. One post you are ancient, then next one you go modern. You will find that most people are now modern in their thinking, you deserve top marks for trying to push what they were doing 100 years ago. I think most of us would agree you are certainly trying. In Deuteronomy 19:14 we read, “Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour’s landmark, which they of old time have set.” Again in Deuteronomy 27:17 we read, “Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour’s landmark.” We read again in Job 24:2, “Some remove the landmarks; they violently take away flocks, and feed thereof.” Proverbs 22:28 says, “Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.”
Proverbs 23:10 says again, “Remove not the old landmark; and enter not into the fields of the father... Don't REMOVE the ancient New Testament teachings of Jesus Christ and the 1st century apostles... If it ain't broken don't FIX it. When God the Father and Christ establish their Old and New Testament teachings it's forever! it doesn't need to change because it works in every generation, under any types of gov't that rule, and any cultures of any nation in the world through the ages.
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