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Post by xna on Apr 26, 2020 18:34:44 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 26, 2020 19:09:05 GMT -5
I frankly get quite sick of Americans telling Canadians and NOTHING IS FREE. That's precisely why Canadians PAY FOR THEIR HEALTH CARE the way they do. They figured it out for themselves. What Canadians should be telling Americans is that Americans are paying exorbitant profits to private interests who have no more concern for your health care than to sort your money and pass some of it on to the people who are actually caring for your health. The private banks and insurance companies are not your "government of, by and for" the people -- YOUR government has left decisions about what health care you should have and how much you should pay for it to your employers and private corporations. That's how medical care got provided to slaves, back then. Of course. Obama Care became a fancy cover term to disguise the fact that what it actually did was give the private insurance companies a mandate to provide coverage -- and carry on deciding how much they would charge and how much of it they would keep to themselves. All true, US healthcare is a mess, even Obama said he wasn't satisfied with ObamaCare and preferred a single payer system. But nothing is free, someone has got to pay, whether it be directly or through taxation. One big difference is how governments choose to appropriate revenues. Canadians & Americans pay similar taxes, but Canada spends 1.31% of GDP on defense, about $20 billion annually, while the USA spends 3.4% of their GDP on defense, to the tune of $686.1 billion in 2019. If we cut defense spending to match Canada, we'd have well over a half trillion dollars to spend every year on healthcare. But of course, we would also run the risk of someone bombing the hell out of us  Well, having the reputation of bullying the rest of the world does have its cost, for sure. |
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Post by iam on Apr 26, 2020 19:18:03 GMT -5
A doctor I worked with said that after taxes, office rent, equipment, supplies and staff, he didn’t make a whole more than a millworker. That was in Canada about six years ago. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 26, 2020 19:28:52 GMT -5
A doctor I worked with said that after taxes, office rent, equipment, supplies and staff, he didn’t make a whole more than a millworker. That was in Canada about six years ago. It probably depends on what kind of mill it is, but some millworkers have well-paying jobs. I live in a city full of immigrant doctors, and in 30 years I've never met one from Canada. Come to think of it, I've never met one from any other country that has single payer health coverage either. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2020 19:30:43 GMT -5
Alberta rocks better for sure ! We pay no provincial taxes !
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 26, 2020 19:46:52 GMT -5
Alberta rocks better for sure ! We pay no provincial taxes ! Nevada doesn't either. |
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Post by xna on Apr 26, 2020 19:47:09 GMT -5
A doctor I worked with said that after taxes, office rent, equipment, supplies and staff, he didn’t make a whole more than a millworker. That was in Canada about six years ago. In the USA doctors are very well paid, but not so much for their medical contributions to the patient but more for their high billing rates. Most GP’s don’t have the decision making power they once had. They input the patient data, then their program gives the most likely diagnosis, & recommends any further testing. With a diagnosis the insurance companies tells them what drugs they will pay for and what course to prescribe. Many GP’s could and should be replaced by PA’s. This is the German system. Dr get only the more difficult cases. This keeps cost down. The number of Dr’s is artificially low to keep pay high. Look at Cuba. Do you think they are smarter than the average USA citizen. Many more people could become doc’s if they were allowed. More competition lowers price, and improve service. From a patient point of view, I would say 150k / yr would be more in line with other jobs having a similar level of education, skill and responsibilities. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2020 20:07:04 GMT -5
Alberta rocks better for sure ! We pay no provincial taxes ! Alberta's oil income will be about zilch just now. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2020 20:23:21 GMT -5
Well about the money and having weapons of mass destructions and Trump is scary . We like peace in Canada 🇨🇦 . Not perfect but not as much fear in Canada 🇨🇦
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2020 20:26:24 GMT -5
Well my bestie lives in Crowley Texas my second home . She works in oil and gas , not looking good there ! We have had that conversation .
Before her husband had the lung transplant we discussed them coming back . Buy some land and chill . However he couldn’t take the cold 🥶 but I will be living in Texas when mom passes .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2020 20:40:07 GMT -5
OMG , Bob I didn’t know you have HIV .
Wow I hear you !
So sorry to hear that . Stand tall you did nothing wrong .
Proud you speak of it ❤️
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2020 21:35:37 GMT -5
All true, US healthcare is a mess, even Obama said he wasn't satisfied with ObamaCare and preferred a single payer system. But nothing is free, someone has got to pay, whether it be directly or through taxation. One big difference is how governments choose to appropriate revenues. Canadians & Americans pay similar taxes, but Canada spends 1.31% of GDP on defense, about $20 billion annually, while the USA spends 3.4% of their GDP on defense, to the tune of $686.1 billion in 2019. If we cut defense spending to match Canada, we'd have well over a half trillion dollars to spend every year on healthcare. But of course, we would also run the risk of someone bombing the hell out of us Well, having the reputation of bullying the rest of the world does have its cost, for sure. Has the dominating power in the world ever been less bullying? |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 26, 2020 22:18:12 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 26, 2020 22:26:26 GMT -5
A doctor I worked with said that after taxes, office rent, equipment, supplies and staff, he didn’t make a whole more than a millworker. That was in Canada about six years ago. In the USA doctors are very well paid, but not so much for their medical contributions to the patient but more for their high billing rates. Most GP’s don’t have the decision making power they once had. They input the patient data, then their program gives the most likely diagnosis, & recommends any further testing. With a diagnosis the insurance companies tells them what drugs they will pay for and what course to prescribe. Many GP’s could and should be replaced by PA’s. This is the German system. Dr get only the more difficult cases. This keeps cost down. The number of Dr’s is artificially low to keep pay high. Look at Cuba. Do you think they are smarter than the average USA citizen. Many more people could become doc’s if they were allowed. More competition lowers price, and improve service. From a patient point of view, I would say 150k / yr would be more in line with other jobs having a similar level of education, skill and responsibilities. What I find odd is the disparity in pay between vets and doctors. When you go the doctors he asks you where it hurts etc and then comes to a conclusion When you get a vet out to see the bull he looks it up and down and the damn thing doesn't say a word. He has to work hard to figure out what's wrong with it. That seems to me to take a lot more skill. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 26, 2020 23:25:47 GMT -5
In the USA doctors are very well paid, but not so much for their medical contributions to the patient but more for their high billing rates. Most GP’s don’t have the decision making power they once had. They input the patient data, then their program gives the most likely diagnosis, & recommends any further testing. With a diagnosis the insurance companies tells them what drugs they will pay for and what course to prescribe. Many GP’s could and should be replaced by PA’s. This is the German system. Dr get only the more difficult cases. This keeps cost down. The number of Dr’s is artificially low to keep pay high. Look at Cuba. Do you think they are smarter than the average USA citizen. Many more people could become doc’s if they were allowed. More competition lowers price, and improve service. From a patient point of view, I would say 150k / yr would be more in line with other jobs having a similar level of education, skill and responsibilities. What I find odd is the disparity in pay between vets and doctors. When you go the doctors he asks you where it hurts etc and then comes to a conclusion When you get a vet out to see the bull he looks it up and down and the damn thing doesn't say a word. He has to work hard to figure out what's wrong with it. That seems to me to take a lot more skill. True, but if the vet kills the bull by mistake would there be less of a fuss than if the doctor killed your mother in law? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 26, 2020 23:43:40 GMT -5
What I find odd is the disparity in pay between vets and doctors. When you go the doctors he asks you where it hurts etc and then comes to a conclusion When you get a vet out to see the bull he looks it up and down and the damn thing doesn't say a word. He has to work hard to figure out what's wrong with it. That seems to me to take a lot more skill. True, but if the vet kills the bull by mistake would there be less of a fuss than if the doctor killed your mother in law? Good question Mr Fixit. If I had a bull and it was valuable and sick that is why I would have called the vet. If his treatment accidentallyy killed the bull then I would still be able to turn it into dog tucker or sell it to MacDonalds. I see no value in calling the doctor to the mother in law. No good for dog tucker and too tough for burgers. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 26, 2020 23:44:03 GMT -5
Well, having the reputation of bullying the rest of the world does have its cost, for sure. Has the dominating power in the world ever been less bullying? Undoubtedly not. It's the ego trap of the fortunate. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 27, 2020 0:33:49 GMT -5
A doctor I worked with said that after taxes, office rent, equipment, supplies and staff, he didn’t make a whole more than a millworker. That was in Canada about six years ago. In the USA doctors are very well paid, but not so much for their medical contributions to the patient but more for their high billing rates. Most GP’s don’t have the decision making power they once had. They input the patient data, then their program gives the most likely diagnosis, & recommends any further testing. With a diagnosis the insurance companies tells them what drugs they will pay for and what course to prescribe. Many GP’s could and should be replaced by PA’s. This is the German system. Dr get only the more difficult cases. This keeps cost down. The number of Dr’s is artificially low to keep pay high. Look at Cuba. Do you think they are smarter than the average USA citizen. Many more people could become doc’s if they were allowed. More competition lowers price, and improve service. From a patient point of view, I would say 150k / yr would be more in line with other jobs having a similar level of education, skill and responsibilities.
That is the way in my doctors office.
There are several PA’s.
They are very good and really have more time to spend with the patient. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 27, 2020 3:31:02 GMT -5
Has the dominating power in the world ever been less bullying? Undoubtedly not. It's the ego trap of the fortunate. If you're not the boss, someone else will be. Isolationist policy before WW2 cost a lot of lives. |
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Post by ForeverFree on Apr 27, 2020 7:24:18 GMT -5
Alberta rocks better for sure ! We pay no provincial taxes ! But you pay higher insurance premiums because of that. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 27, 2020 10:22:07 GMT -5
I don’t pay a premium so oh my gosh . I pay nothing
If you are referring to vehicle I don’t own one so no premium there ! .
City of Calgary pays my insurance
I pay zero , .
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Post by xna on Apr 27, 2020 10:45:24 GMT -5
I don’t pay a premium so oh my gosh . I pay nothing If you are referring to vehicle I don’t own one so no premium there ! . City of Calgary pays my insurance I pay zero , . It sounds like you owe many other Canadians a big thank you for all your benefits. |
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 27, 2020 10:56:17 GMT -5
I started working with my dad around 8 full time . Weekends and evenings . I have worked 50 years . I worked in trades , drove a 60 foot bus . Construction supervisor , asbestos removal and on . I have paid my dues . I did my time . I have a pension , sitting there . I paid lots of taxes which I cannot do anymore , I get it back in tax season . Not cashed in yet . I get disability pay . It’s called CPPD . I paid into that for 48 years . I paid in many ways . I earned every penny and was a single mom ! My body is broken as well as my brain 🧠.I earned every penny . So who am I to thank . ME ! This is verifiable ! You ?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 27, 2020 11:08:07 GMT -5
As a Transit Operator we could be worked up to 14 hours a day . I always did overtime and worked on my day’s off when required . In construction 10 hours , however if it’s a urgently required 12 hours 6 days straight . I have paid my way and raised a family on my own . My husband committed suicide .
I didn’t rely on government ever . You ?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 27, 2020 11:15:50 GMT -5
I am giving my phone to nurses after FaceTime with ATU53 . I don’t get paid for that . I work at SCS . Where junkies are watch so we can stop a overdose death
I don’t get paid . I deal with the minister of health everyday . I don’t get paid !! You ?
So I am ramping up to anxiety and fear . So time-out .
I am pulling back to prevent a mental health issue . I am already in hospital , they can transfer me to psych ward .
✌️ Out !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 27, 2020 11:19:20 GMT -5
If you knew my dad like some on here do you would understand our father made us work and work hard 😓
Meowing
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 27, 2020 11:47:58 GMT -5
Oh I forgot I went to university at night . My parents watched my girls . I took human behaviour . I could add a bit , I’m done before I swipe a paw 🐾 out with this conversation , cause it won’t be good . Valium please , yep just asked for one .
✌️ Out .
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Post by xna on Apr 27, 2020 11:56:25 GMT -5
I don’t pay a premium so oh my gosh . I pay nothing
If you are referring to vehicle I don’t own one so no premium there ! . City of Calgary pays my insurance
I pay zero , .
My point is you have it much better with health care in Canada than we do in the USA. If you really "pay nothing" for healthcare now: then some other Canadian must be paying for you. In the USA it's unheard for workers to "pay nothing for their health care".
I didn’t rely on government ever . You ?
I see you have been a giver as well.
I'm not sure when I started working as I can't remember that point in time. I grew up on a farm and once ask my mother; How old was I when I had to do chores? She looked at me strangely and said "You were old enough to walk". That was just the way it was. I must have started to "work" at around 2 years old as I have pictures of me feeding the animals from that age. We grew up poor and lived on a farm. We worked from "can" til "can't".
I studied in school so I could get a job that paid well and where the work was easier. After college I worked in white collar management jobs. Here the hours may have been just as long and the job more mentally stressful but the work was piece of cake compared to a poor farmer's life. |
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