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Post by xna on Apr 18, 2020 12:20:51 GMT -5
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Post by mco27 on Apr 18, 2020 14:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 18, 2020 15:20:59 GMT -5
Very true about the illusion of knowledge. That applies to those who say I have been studying this or that for ten or twenty years. The inference being that I could not possibly be wrong. How daft is that? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2020 15:50:36 GMT -5
Very interesting!
We can really fool ourselves sometimes without even an inkling that we are doing so!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 17:26:54 GMT -5
Trump will never ever take responsibility for anything. He will play the blame game and he knows how to do that really well. There is documented proof that he didn't take this serious until mid March. In the first week of March he was still calling it a dem ploy to make him look bad and that it was all under control. No worries attitude. Then he comes out around the 15th of March saying he always knew it was serious. And people still believe things he says and fall for his revisions of what actually happened. Now he is blaming WHO. Sure they could have done things better, but he can't say he was never warned or briefed because he definitely was, way back in November we are now learning. We knew before that he was warned again in January but he still ignored those warnings. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/WHO-Trump-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR2nHLJOqI4z-d4Za0pGdzUgYPxfrSOaVdTUdo43FDz9xc1zV3kDq2SXstEif he didn't take it serious before mar 15th then why did he ban travel from china on jan 30thish and got called racist and xenophobic by the left for doing so?? |
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2020 18:05:31 GMT -5
Trump will never ever take responsibility for anything. He will play the blame game and he knows how to do that really well. There is documented proof that he didn't take this serious until mid March. In the first week of March he was still calling it a dem ploy to make him look bad and that it was all under control. No worries attitude. Then he comes out around the 15th of March saying he always knew it was serious. And people still believe things he says and fall for his revisions of what actually happened. Now he is blaming WHO. Sure they could have done things better, but he can't say he was never warned or briefed because he definitely was, way back in November we are now learning. We knew before that he was warned again in January but he still ignored those warnings. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/WHO-Trump-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR2nHLJOqI4z-d4Za0pGdzUgYPxfrSOaVdTUdo43FDz9xc1zV3kDq2SXstEif he didn't take it serious before mar 15th then why did he ban travel from china on jan 30thish and got called racist and xenophobic by the left for doing so?? I have no idea what his agenda was for that. But it's well documented that he said it was a hoax perpetrated by the dems to make him look bad right into the beginning of March. So if he took it seriously why would he have been saying that? He also said it wasn't serious that they had everything under control and that is wasn't going to be that bad. Right into March he was still saying that. So I don't think the closing the borders to China was anything other than another political move on his part to rally his fan base to being tough on the Chinese. Because everything else he said was an absolute contradiction of that. |
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Post by Annan on Apr 18, 2020 18:51:03 GMT -5
Back to the subject at hand... Very few cases or the virus in my neck of the woods. Went shopping today at a major home supply store. Only saw one employee that was wearing a mask. Not as many people out and about as usual. The atmosphere was definitely different than normal. Almost like everyone was pausing somehow. I was eerily quiet.
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Post by Dan on Apr 18, 2020 20:03:00 GMT -5
Back to the subject at hand... Very few cases or the virus in my neck of the woods. Went shopping today at a major home supply store. Only saw one employee that was wearing a mask. Not as many people out and about as usual. The atmosphere was definitely different than normal. Almost like everyone was pausing somehow. I was eerily quiet.
One good thing that I noticed in stores, if your having trouble getting down a crowded isle, just cough a few times and the people will part like the Red Sea  |
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Post by fixit on Apr 18, 2020 22:21:26 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Apr 18, 2020 22:42:19 GMT -5
Virginia Bishop Gerald Glenn said: "I firmly believe that God is larger than this dreaded virus. You can quote me on that," he said, repeating it a second time to claps, saying that "people are healed" in his church. Three weeks later, on April 11, his church announced "with an exceedingly sorrowful and heavy heart" that Glenn had passed away a week after contracting Covid-19. Glenn's daughter Mar-Gerie Crawley told WTVR her father dismissed his Covid-19 symptoms because he had a condition that often led to fevers and infections. Now she has made a plea to Americans and people across the world to take the virus seriously. "I just beg people to understand the severity and the seriousness of this, because people are saying it's not just about us, it's about everyone around us." edition.cnn.com/2020/04/16/us/bishop-gerald-glenn-daughter/index.htmlNot sure if the NZ version is available everywhere: www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12324721&&ref=recommended |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 18, 2020 23:02:08 GMT -5
Is it because their system is based on a private insurance model which is profit based? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 19, 2020 0:28:56 GMT -5
Trump will never ever take responsibility for anything. He will play the blame game and he knows how to do that really well. There is documented proof that he didn't take this serious until mid March. In the first week of March he was still calling it a dem ploy to make him look bad and that it was all under control. No worries attitude. Then he comes out around the 15th of March saying he always knew it was serious. And people still believe things he says and fall for his revisions of what actually happened. Now he is blaming WHO. Sure they could have done things better, but he can't say he was never warned or briefed because he definitely was, way back in November we are now learning. We knew before that he was warned again in January but he still ignored those warnings. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/WHO-Trump-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR2nHLJOqI4z-d4Za0pGdzUgYPxfrSOaVdTUdo43FDz9xc1zV3kDq2SXstEif he didn't take it serious before mar 15th then why did he ban travel from china on jan 30thish and got called racist and xenophobic by the left for doing so??
FactCheck PostsThe Facts on Trump’s Travel Restrictions
By Robert Farley
Posted on March 6, 2020
This will give you a better understanding of what really happened and is as usual is more complicated than as often expressed in one bite comments. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2020 0:33:30 GMT -5
Is it because their system is based on a private insurance model which is profit based? Here's how it works: (1) Medical insurance is private industry, highly profitable to corporate investors, and not usually accepted by many providers. (2) Thus, far more expensive than in other industrialized countries, such that the middle class normally can't afford it without having their employers provide most of what is available, item no. 1 notwithstanding. (3) If you don't have medical insurance, you probably won't get any treatment other than an emergency life saving procedure. (4) If you have no insurance and pay out of pocket, you will be charged and pay as much as four times what the insurance company pays, or be sued for the full non-insurance bill. (5) Any intrusion of government regulation into any aspect of this setup is considered an unconstitutional socialist takeover of American values. |
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Post by speak on Apr 19, 2020 0:35:32 GMT -5
Back to the subject at hand... Very few cases or the virus in my neck of the woods. Went shopping today at a major home supply store. Only saw one employee that was wearing a mask. Not as many people out and about as usual. The atmosphere was definitely different than normal. Almost like everyone was pausing somehow. I was eerily quiet.
One good thing that I noticed in stores, if your having trouble getting down a crowded isle, just cough a few times and the people will part like the Red Sea Then you wouldn't be thinking then of the anxiety that you would have just caused I suppose? |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2020 0:38:35 GMT -5
One good thing that I noticed in stores, if your having trouble getting down a crowded isle, just cough a few times and the people will part like the Red Sea Then you wouldn't be thinking then of the anxiety that you would have just caused I suppose? You shouldn't talk like that to self-respecting Americans. It makes you look like a liberal snowflake. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 0:48:28 GMT -5
if he didn't take it serious before mar 15th then why did he ban travel from china on jan 30thish and got called racist and xenophobic by the left for doing so??
FactCheck PostsThe Facts on Trump’s Travel Restrictions
By Robert Farley
Posted on March 6, 2020
This will give you a better understanding of what really happened and is as usual is more complicated than as often expressed in one bite comments.spin.... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 19, 2020 0:59:02 GMT -5
Is it because their system is based on a private insurance model which is profit based? Here's how it works: (1) Medical insurance is private industry, highly profitable to corporate investors, and not usually accepted by many providers. (2) Thus, far more expensive than in other industrialized countries, such that the middle class normally can't afford it without having their employers provide most of what is available, item no. 1 notwithstanding. (3) If you don't have medical insurance, you probably won't get any treatment other than an emergency life saving procedure. (4) If you have no insurance and pay out of pocket, you will be charged and pay as much as four times what the insurance company pays, or be sued for the full non-insurance bill. (5) Any intrusion of government regulation into any aspect of this setup is considered an unconstitutional socialist takeover of American values. Thanks for that Bob, sums the situation up nicely. |
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Post by iam on Apr 19, 2020 1:06:31 GMT -5
Is it because their system is based on a private insurance model which is profit based? Here's how it works: (1) Medical insurance is private industry, highly profitable to corporate investors, and not usually accepted by many providers. (2) Thus, far more expensive than in other industrialized countries, such that the middle class normally can't afford it without having their employers provide most of what is available, item no. 1 notwithstanding. (3) If you don't have medical insurance, you probably won't get any treatment other than an emergency life saving procedure. (4) If you have no insurance and pay out of pocket, you will be charged and pay as much as four times what the insurance company pays, or be sued for the full non-insurance bill. (5) Any intrusion of government regulation into any aspect of this setup is considered an unconstitutional socialist takeover of American values. Living in Canada, it has always baffled me how people can afford to make ends meet AND pay for their medical insurance and treatments! |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2020 1:39:05 GMT -5
Here's how it works: (1) Medical insurance is private industry, highly profitable to corporate investors, and not usually accepted by many providers. (2) Thus, far more expensive than in other industrialized countries, such that the middle class normally can't afford it without having their employers provide most of what is available, item no. 1 notwithstanding. (3) If you don't have medical insurance, you probably won't get any treatment other than an emergency life saving procedure. (4) If you have no insurance and pay out of pocket, you will be charged and pay as much as four times what the insurance company pays, or be sued for the full non-insurance bill. (5) Any intrusion of government regulation into any aspect of this setup is considered an unconstitutional socialist takeover of American values. Living in Canada, it has always baffled me how people can afford to make ends meet AND pay for their medical insurance and treatments! I am more fortunate than a LOT of people here. I am over 65, so Medicare Part A pays 80% of my hospital bills. But this is what I do pay for each month. (1) $268.00 for Part B Medicare - doctor visits minus 20% copay. (2) $150.00 for Plan F, which covers the 20% of hospital and doctor visit bills(3) $83.00 for Prescription coverage - minus copays (4) $40.00 approx. for prescription copaysI am HIV positive, so I qualify for a program that pays the prescription copay on HIV medications, which amounted to a hefty $850 a month until I got the coverage to pay that cost for me. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 19, 2020 1:42:13 GMT -5
Is it because their system is based on a private insurance model which is profit based? Here's how it works: (1) Medical insurance is private industry, highly profitable to corporate investors, and not usually accepted by many providers. (2) Thus, far more expensive than in other industrialized countries, such that the middle class normally can't afford it without having their employers provide most of what is available, item no. 1 notwithstanding. (3) If you don't have medical insurance, you probably won't get any treatment other than an emergency life saving procedure. (4) If you have no insurance and pay out of pocket, you will be charged and pay as much as four times what the insurance company pays, or be sued for the full non-insurance bill. (5) Any intrusion of government regulation into any aspect of this setup is considered an unconstitutional socialist takeover of American values. It should be fine to have for-profit health providers, but the government should pay for the health care if its citizens. Is that how it works in Canada? The health insurance part is where the dysfunction is, I would suggest. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 19, 2020 2:00:14 GMT -5
Here in NZ we tend view healthcare as a “right”, in conjunction with education and social welfare for those less fortunate. In the US, it isn’t seen as a right, but something that must be “self-provided”, which means insurance is the best option. One thing I’m not sure about is if Medical Insurers use the term “Pandemic” as an out-clause.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2020 2:04:58 GMT -5
Here's how it works: (1) Medical insurance is private industry, highly profitable to corporate investors, and not usually accepted by many providers. (2) Thus, far more expensive than in other industrialized countries, such that the middle class normally can't afford it without having their employers provide most of what is available, item no. 1 notwithstanding. (3) If you don't have medical insurance, you probably won't get any treatment other than an emergency life saving procedure. (4) If you have no insurance and pay out of pocket, you will be charged and pay as much as four times what the insurance company pays, or be sued for the full non-insurance bill. (5) Any intrusion of government regulation into any aspect of this setup is considered an unconstitutional socialist takeover of American values. It should be fine to have for-profit health providers, but the government should pay for the health care if its citizens. Is that how it works in Canada? The health insurance part is where the dysfunction is, I would suggest. You're exactly right. In Canada all non-elective medical care is paid for by the government. It doesn't matter whether the provider is private or public -- the government insures the care. There are a variety of private medical related plans and well as government plans for a variety of lesser and/or non essential kinds of treatments, and it varies from province to province. Plus: 60% of the American medical costs, rather than going to delivery of treatment, goes to administration of an extremely elaborately complicated delivery system as well as the system of legal oversight that can scarcely keep on top of the fraud that the whole complicated system fosters. |
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Post by iam on Apr 19, 2020 2:08:03 GMT -5
Living in Canada, it has always baffled me how people can afford to make ends meet AND pay for their medical insurance and treatments! I am more fortunate than a LOT of people here. I am over 65, so Medicare Part A pays 80% of my hospital bills. But this is what I do pay for each month. (1) $268.00 for Part B Medicare - doctor visits minus 20% copay. (2) $150.00 for Plan F, which covers the 20% of hospital and doctor visit bills(3) $83.00 for Prescription coverage - minus copays (4) $40.00 approx. for prescription copaysI am HIV positive, so I qualify for a program that pays the prescription copay on HIV medications, which amounted to a hefty $850 a month until I got the coverage to pay that cost for me. And you could still afford a roof over your head!? I think I would be living in our truck. So sorry to hear you are HIV positive but glad there are better medications for it now. HIV doesn’t diminish your value and you are very appreciated and helpful on these boards. Keep well. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 19, 2020 2:22:02 GMT -5
I am more fortunate than a LOT of people here. I am over 65, so Medicare Part A pays 80% of my hospital bills. But this is what I do pay for each month. (1) $268.00 for Part B Medicare - doctor visits minus 20% copay. (2) $150.00 for Plan F, which covers the 20% of hospital and doctor visit bills(3) $83.00 for Prescription coverage - minus copays (4) $40.00 approx. for prescription copaysI am HIV positive, so I qualify for a program that pays the prescription copay on HIV medications, which amounted to a hefty $850 a month until I got the coverage to pay that cost for me. And you could still afford a roof over your head!? I think I would be living in our truck. So sorry to hear you are HIV positive but glad there are better medications for it now. HIV doesn’t diminish your value and you are very appreciated and helpful on these boards. Keep well. If it weren't for the fact that my condo mortgage payment is only $301 a month I would be in Canada, profiting from the favorable exchange rate for my American pension and the elimination of most of my insurance bill. But I am comfortable and with my family mostly in town. And I like the climate and Las Vegas community. |
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Post by iam on Apr 19, 2020 2:38:45 GMT -5
And you could still afford a roof over your head!? I think I would be living in our truck. So sorry to hear you are HIV positive but glad there are better medications for it now. HIV doesn’t diminish your value and you are very appreciated and helpful on these boards. Keep well. If it weren't for the fact that my condo mortgage payment is only $301 a month I would be in Canada, profiting from the favorable exchange rate for my American pension and the elimination of most of my insurance bill. But I am comfortable and with my family mostly in town. And I like the climate and Las Vegas community. You wouldn’t want to be anywhere else. That’s home for you. I could imagine not many are lucky enough to afford to live in Vegas. I have a friend that takes medications for an organ transplant that he says is the same type of medicine they give for HIV. He seems to tolerate the stuff well. There used to be a stigma with HIV but it seems like a lesser evil than a lot of other illnesses. Even CoVid19. I was watching some YouTube videos of Freddy Mercury recently and it made feel so sad because he was so talented and didn’t deserve HIV any more than many of us. There wasn’t much they could do for it back then. Can’t listen to bohemian rhapsody without wanting to cry. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 19, 2020 2:58:49 GMT -5
Very true about the illusion of knowledge. That applies to those who say I have been studying this or that for ten or twenty years. The inference being that I could not possibly be wrong. How daft is that?
If someone believes that just because they have been studying someone's conspiracy theory for forty years, -but there was nothing to it to start with, - what difference does it make how long they have studied it?
It is still just as crazy as when they first started! |
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Post by Annan on Apr 19, 2020 8:28:07 GMT -5
Living in Canada, it has always baffled me how people can afford to make ends meet AND pay for their medical insurance and treatments! I am more fortunate than a LOT of people here. I am over 65, so Medicare Part A pays 80% of my hospital bills. But this is what I do pay for each month. (1) $268.00 for Part B Medicare - doctor visits minus 20% copay. (2) $150.00 for Plan F, which covers the 20% of hospital and doctor visit bills(3) $83.00 for Prescription coverage - minus copays (4) $40.00 approx. for prescription copaysI am HIV positive, so I qualify for a program that pays the prescription copay on HIV medications, which amounted to a hefty $850 a month until I got the coverage to pay that cost for me. Without the hubby's VA disability picking up the leftovers, we'd be strapped paying his medical expenses. As it stands, we pay $59 monthly for Part B. Prescriptions are free if we get them from the VA. I have no medical insurance. Luckily I'm doing well. Two years to go till medicare kicks in. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 19, 2020 11:47:11 GMT -5
It should be fine to have for-profit health providers, but the government should pay for the health care if its citizens. Is that how it works in Canada? The health insurance part is where the dysfunction is, I would suggest.
Government doesn't really pay for anything that they don't take from someone else, because governments don't generate revenue, they collect it... Nothings free.
Canadians pay for health care — though not necessarily their own health care. The amount varies a lot, depending on who you are. Canadians at the bottom of the income distribution don’t pay very much — $471 a year . Those in the middle average $6,000-$7,000 a year while those in the top 10 per cent of the income distribution average a whopping $39,123 a year on health care. If you do it by family type — single person, couple, single mom, two-parent family two kids, and so on — it also varies a lot, from $3,994 to $12,410 a year. Where do these numbers come from? The Fraser Institute’s researchers — Feixue Ren, Milagros Palacios and Bacchus Barua — looked at how much people paid in taxes each year and then assumed that 23.5 per cent of that money went to health care. How come 23.5 per cent? Because that’s the best available estimate of how much of the tax revenues Canadian governments haul in is spent on health care. link
The Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) believes Canada spent approximately $228 billion on health care in 2016. That’s 11.1 per cent of Canada’s entire GDP and $6,299 for every Canadian resident. Canada spent $5,543 per resident, more than the United Kingdom ($4,986) and Australia ($5,187) but less than Sweden ($6,245) and far less than the United States ($11,126). The “average” Canadian family, consisting of two adults and two children, earning about $127,000, will pay about $12,000 a year for public health care. link
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