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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 18:47:10 GMT -5
Trump knows all about the COVID-19 germ that antibiotics can't catch up with. He is just so bloody ignorant.  i didn't know a medical degree was required to be president...who knew?  |
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2020 19:02:05 GMT -5
He is just so bloody ignorant. i didn't know a medical degree was required to be president...who knew? It isn't required. So if you don't know what the hell you're talking about don't open your mouth and show your ignorance. He just keeps blabbing and he doesn't have a clue. He shouldn't confirm what we already know. He doesn't know much at all. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 17, 2020 19:07:14 GMT -5
Exactly. Government "for the people" is SOCIAL -- whether your a social person or antisocial, economies are not build on hermits, but on governments that make sure the middle class has money to spend. The hardest thing for real capitalists to accept is that they survive best in social/liberal democracies -- and I don't mean socialist-ideologically fundamentalist regimes. So capitalists in social/liberal democracies will help the middle class to survive? No. The capitalist principle is just about making money, not helping anyone. The golden age of capitalism in this country impoverished the middle class, and the rise of the middle class in Britain and the US was a result of regulation coming from "government for the people" -- to avoid labels. What social/liberal democracies can do is maintain market economies, where healthy middle classes (people with healthy expendable incomes) will not have their equity sucked up by predators. The lesson of history is that in the US the "robber barons" were capitalists who were reputed in their day to "care for their workers" in company towns of company owned serfs. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 17, 2020 19:32:10 GMT -5
He is just so bloody ignorant. i didn't know a medical degree was required to be president...who knew? What is required for a president is to know what he doesn't know and to let the experts speak for themselves. Here in New Zealand the prime minister holds daily COVID-19 press briefings jointly with the director-general of health and sometimes other officials. The following video probably won't interest you but it's a stark contrast to Trump-style press briefings where he has to dominate whether he has anything useful to contribute or not: |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 17, 2020 19:37:43 GMT -5
i didn't know a medical degree was required to be president...who knew? What is required for a president is to know what he doesn't know and to let the experts speak for themselves. Here in New Zealand the prime minister holds daily COVID-19 press briefings jointly with the director-general of health and sometimes other officials. The following video probably won't interest you but it's a stark contrast to Trump-style press briefings where he has to dominate whether he has anything useful to contribute or not: Trump is using the briefings to campaign for the upcoming election. |
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Post by Annan on Apr 17, 2020 20:12:09 GMT -5
Trump is using the briefings to campaign for the upcoming election. And there it is.  I'm so sick of the wonderful, wonderful me show. What makes me laugh is that our local TV news plays about 3-4 minutes of the cheeto's speech and switches back to the news. I love it! Even the national news doesn't say much about him anymore. A big puffed up cheeto. Excuse me, a narcissistic toddler. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 17, 2020 20:16:00 GMT -5
Yes, and Nancy Pelosi is refusing further funding unless some very liberal considerations are included in the extended funding bill. What a sweetheart. She has that Marie-Antoinette attitude, "Let them eat cake".
Nancy Pelosi is working to keep the Republican Senate from steering all of that government aid to BIG business.
She is actually working for YOU, -but because you make the same mistake as many other business owners make, -you hear the word "business" & you are immediately under the delusion that all businesses are the same.
Not sure just why small businesses owners think that way, -but I believe that it has something to do with what they perceive as "labor" vs "business."
Whether it is a kind of feeling that they are above the masses status perception or what, -but whatever never-the-less they have no idea who is really their friend in in the political scheme.
So find out who your real friends are before you keep on denouncing people trying to help you.
I may not know much, but one thing I do know is that small businesses are the absolute last thing on Pelosi's mind. She is working to steer all money away from all businesses.The republicans have a bill to extend $250 billion more to small businesses, but Pelosi won't bring it to the floor for a vote, she's too busy making ice cream in her San Francisco mansion.
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Post by Dan on Apr 17, 2020 20:26:24 GMT -5
Small business people are still in the very same situation as their workers!
Not by a long shot... My workers are getting benefits, $1200 per adult, $500 per child, and $600 per week unemployment.
Most small business owners are getting zip, including your truly... So my workers are on a cruise ship, while I'm paddling a sinking kayak without a life-jacket  |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2020 20:56:57 GMT -5
Glad your content being cooped-up, I could handle a couple weeks, but I'll surely go stir crazy over 6 weeks. I've already fixed the lawn mower, shampooed the carpet, painted a bedroom, annoyed people on message boards, etc. Now its just boring, and an idle mind is the devil’s workshop . I reckon we all cope in our own way. Thanks for the mask offer, but I've already got 2 of them that I wear for work and in stores. I wash my hands and mask with dish soap when I get home, and have one to use while the other is drying. I spray them with Lysol too. My bigger concern is still financial, I've lost over $3000 in the first 2 weeks of April and all the bills keep rolling in. The SBA announced that they ran out of money, so my application was a waste of time.
I do have empathy for the poor souls who contract this Wuhan virus, and I understand that if you've got your health, you've got nothing to complain about. But assuming life goes on post virus, it would also be nice to have a job.
However, it does raise my ire when people say thigs like; "People aren't "out of work", they've been ordered "not to work", that's a big difference from the depression."
There are also 22 million people out of work.
Do you think that differentiation makes any difference to them?
They aren't taking vacations to sunny beaches on government paid leaves as you seem to think.
They are standing in line at food banks.
They are also terrified that they will lose the very house they have for shelter right now. (no cabin to have "cabin fever" in!)
Even thought the top of the curve is being reached; -yesterday in Illinois, we had the worst day yet for the number of deaths in one 24 hr. period.
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2020 21:08:47 GMT -5
Under the program, a "self employed person" with no employees had to wait a week to apply for any money. Most of the pork went to people making more than one million per year. By the numbers the Self-employed group is by far the largest business group in the USA. BLS data from March 2020 Incorporated self-employed 6,285,000 Self-employed workers, unincorporated 9,378,000 I don't think the self-employed should get government aid, as they don't create any other jobs directly, if so then everyone should get a universal basic income. I am retired, and I will not be getting any aid under this program. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2020 21:24:16 GMT -5
not really....as to giving a hand maybe in the form of low interest loans(sorry dan)which would be the capitalist way of doing things and BTW i am returning my stimulus check to the IRS today mother is keeping hers.....both me and mother received ours over the last couple days.... The stimulus check wasn't charity to you -- it was charity in the form of cash to be spent to help businesses like Dan's. Give it to him.
However, -if I should get check I'll be damned if I would ever give it to Dan, -who stated that his "customers are hiding in their houses and shaking like frightened bunnies."
Nor will I give it to someone who is so either deceptive or so ignorant as to say "his employees" are going on "cruise ships!" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 21:28:47 GMT -5
The stimulus check wasn't charity to you -- it was charity in the form of cash to be spent to help businesses like Dan's. Give it to him.
However, -if I should get check I'll be damned if I would ever give it to Dan, -who stated that his "customers are hiding in their houses and shaking like frightened bunnies."
Nor will I give it to someone who is so either deceptive or so ignorant as to say "his employees" are going on "cruise ships!" you just have to file to qualify and make less than 75k for an individual...you should be getting one.... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2020 0:19:48 GMT -5
I haven't gotten any stimulus check as yet. I don't know if I even quality, -since I my income isn't enough to pay income tax.
However, -if I should get check I'll be damned if I would ever give it to Dan, -who stated that his "customers are hiding in their houses and shaking like frightened bunnies."
Nor will I give it to someone who is so either deceptive or so ignorant as to say "his employees" are going on "cruise ships!" you just have to file to qualify and make less than 75k for an individual...you should be getting one....
wow, I sure don't make anything close to that!Thanks, nice to know that Wally.
But if I do get a check and I would decide to give it away to someone , -it will be to someone who is out there volunteering in all kinds of conditions trying to help others get though this crisis and not to someone who has done nothing but denigrate their customers and their employees and instead is always complaining about how it is affecting themselves.
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Post by Dan on Apr 18, 2020 0:41:15 GMT -5
The stimulus check wasn't charity to you -- it was charity in the form of cash to be spent to help businesses like Dan's. Give it to him.
However, -if I should get check I'll be damned if I would ever give it to Dan, -who stated that his "customers are hiding in their houses and shaking like frightened bunnies."
Nor will I give it to someone who is so either deceptive or so ignorant as to say "his employees" are going on "cruise ships!"
I never asked, nor do I want anyone's check?? As I've said, I'm not broke, and from what you've described, you need a check a lot more than I do.
My customers are hiding out in their houses, I know because I've talked to many of them. Why do you consider that a bad thing? Aren't you isolated in your house too? People are staying home because they're frightened, there's no shame in that, so don't get on any guilt trip.
You said that employers & employees are in the same boat. From a financial perspective I disagreed, thus my analogy between a cruise liner and a kayak. I wasn't literally saying anyone was taking a cruise, but just differentiating between the figurative boats. Sorry that wasn't clear to you.
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Post by fixit on Apr 18, 2020 0:51:54 GMT -5
i didn't know a medical degree was required to be president...who knew? Most everyone probably knows that antibiotics so not work against viruses because viruses aren't bacteria. Trump was speaking about antibiotics and bacteria. Yes, yet he gives the impression that he thinks people should take notice of what he says. I think most people would know that antibiotics attack bacteria and are useless against viruses. And most people would know that if you speak as an authority on a subject you know nothing about you make a fool of yourself and lose all credibility. Not Trump. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2020 0:57:28 GMT -5
Most everyone probably knows that antibiotics so not work against viruses because viruses aren't bacteria. Trump was speaking about antibiotics and bacteria. Yes, yet he gives the impression that he thinks people should take notice of what he says. I think most people would know that antibiotics attack bacteria and are useless against viruses. And most people would know that if you speak as an authority on a subject you know nothing about you make a fool of yourself and lose all credibility. Not Trump.
If Trump would just keep his mouth shut a little more often, -he wouldn't keep putting his foot in his mouth so much.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 18, 2020 1:05:25 GMT -5
Yes, yet he gives the impression that he thinks people should take notice of what he says. I think most people would know that antibiotics attack bacteria and are useless against viruses. And most people would know that if you speak as an authority on a subject you know nothing about you make a fool of yourself and lose all credibility. Not Trump.
If Trump would just keep his mouth shut a little more often, -he wouldn't keep putting his foot in his mouth so much.
What would we do for entertainment if he did shut up? |
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Post by fixit on Apr 18, 2020 1:16:50 GMT -5
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Post by Dan on Apr 18, 2020 1:17:20 GMT -5
Most everyone probably knows that antibiotics so not work against viruses because viruses aren't bacteria. Trump was speaking about antibiotics and bacteria. Yes, yet he gives the impression that he thinks people should take notice of what he says. I think most people would know that antibiotics attack bacteria and are useless against viruses. And most people would know that if you speak as an authority on a subject you know nothing about you make a fool of yourself and lose all credibility. Not Trump.
I don't think anyone was implying that an antibiotic could kill a virus. Azithromycin is an effective antibiotic used against infections like chlamydia, but for some reason they think that it slows down or confuses the virus when used in conjunction with hydroxychloroquine. So the combination of drugs doesn't stop corona, it just slows down its infectious rate and gives your body more time to develop antibodies. Older people have slower metabolisms, so the extra time can be the difference between life & death.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2020 1:43:37 GMT -5
You are not listening to her.
Nancy Pelosi is working to keep the Republican Senate from steering all of that government aid to BIG business.
She is actually working for YOU, -but because you make the same mistake as many other business owners make, -you hear the word "business" & you are immediately under the delusion that all businesses are the same.
Not sure just why small businesses owners think that way, -but I believe that it has something to do with what they perceive as "labor" vs "business."
Whether it is a kind of feeling that they are above the masses status perception or what, -but whatever never-the-less they have no idea who is really their friend in in the political scheme.
So find out who your real friends are before you keep on denouncing people trying to help you. I may not know much, but one thing I do know is that small businesses are the absolute last thing on Pelosi's mind. She is working to steer all money away from all businesses.The republicans have a bill to extend $250 billion more to small businesses, but Pelosi won't bring it to the floor for a vote, she's too busy making ice cream in her San Francisco mansion.
It might be just due to a news source which produces only shallow irrelevant inconsequential incidents which often is done just to detract from what is really important.
Here is what Pelosi really did:
‘It’s not enough’ — Pelosi wants more small business loans, direct payments and unemployment benefits
Published Fri, Apr 3 20209:44 AM EDTUpdated Fri, Apr 3 202010:51 AM EDT
@jacobpramuk
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told CNBC she wants to extend the provisions in the $2 trillion coronavirus relief package Congress passed last week.
She pushed for more small business loan funding, additional direct payments to individuals and the extension of enhanced unemployment insurance.
Her comments came after the government employment report showed the U.S. economy lost 701,000 jobs in early March.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 18, 2020 1:47:33 GMT -5
MWhen it comes to Trump, I just cringe when he opens his mouth, and to be honest he sounds like Dr Evil in Goldmember.
However when it comes to the country, I tend to judge him more on the results. The economy took off, and many individuals speak well of his actions. We who live in a different universe fail to realise just how popular he is, and how loyal his base is. Our standards are not those of the US. He also has no friends in the media, except for Fox, and no matter what he does, they pillory him for it. For example, CNN criticised him for being rascist in shutting down the border as fast as he did, and now complain that he didn’t do it fast enough.
Down under our media is fed a diet of anti-Trump fodder by AP and Reuters and that isn’t an accurate gauge of how he is perceived in the US.
What it shows, is how can a system be so flawed that it throws up Trump and Clinton in 2016, a “past it” Biden for 2020, and has geriatrics in McConnell and Pelosi as the Majority leaders in the Senate and Congress respectively?
I am glad that I live in a less partisan country, and that we are an island nation, and stand united against what we are up against. Politicians from all parties are working together, not against one another. Pork barrel politics is foreign.
Surely the most powerful country in the world could have done better?
My understanding is that with regard to the latest Bill, Pelosi was wanting to add some of the Liberal agenda to it, just like in the first Stimulus package. I cannot see what funding for Planned Parenthood has to to with aid for Small Business, for example.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2020 2:05:53 GMT -5
When it comes to Trump, I just cringe when he opens his mouth, and to be honest he sounds like Dr Evil in Goldmember. However when it comes to the country, I tend to judge him more on the results. The economy took off, and many individuals speak well of his actions. We who live in a different universe fail to realise just how popular he is, and how loyal his base is. Our standards are not those of the US. He also has no friends in the media, except for Fox, and no matter what he does, they pillory him for it. For example, CNN criticised him for being rascist in shutting down the border as fast as he did, and now complain that he didn’t do it fast enough. Down under our media is fed a diet of anti-Trump fodder by AP and Reuters and that isn’t an accurate gauge of how he is perceived in the US. What it shows, is how can a system be so flawed that it throws up Trump and Clinton in 2016, a “past it” Biden for 2020, and has geriatrics in McConnell and Pelosi as the Majority leaders in the Senate and Congress respectively? I am glad that I live in a less partisan country, and that we are an island nation, and stand united against what we are up against. Politicians from all parties are working together, not against one another. Pork barrel politics is foreign. Surely the most powerful country in the world could have done better
Our country absolutely could have and would have done better if we had had someone with the knowledge of how government works & the leadership skills of someone like FDR.
With this farce we have right now, -we have neither!
Trump knew absolutely nothing about governing or how to lead anything!
Why people thought that just because Trump had a TV show and had built a lot of buildings with money inherited from his father had what it takes to lead a country is beyond my comprehension!
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Post by Dan on Apr 18, 2020 2:07:49 GMT -5
‘It’s not enough’ — Pelosi wants more small business loans, direct payments and unemployment benefits
Published Fri, Apr 3 20209:44 AM EDTUpdated Fri, Apr 3 202010:51 AM EDT
Well where is Pelosi? All she needs to do is green light the bill that would give small businesses additional aid, but instead she's hiding in her house and doing absolutely nothing. Nothing urgent about the woman, she doesn't expedite anything. Throwing typical political lip service at a desperate situation doesn't cut the cake. And I'm relatively certain that when she finally does crawl out of her basement and return to D.C, she'll likely attach a bunch of pork to the relief package. Sorry, I'm just too conservative to be a fan of Pelosi, she pretty much embodies everything I oppose.. She is to me what Trump is to you.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2020 2:33:13 GMT -5
From Nancy Pelose.
"The hospitals, state and local governments are on the front lines of this crisis.
They’re running out — have been running out of money and desperately need emergency infusion of additional funds to care for patients and prevent greater spread and death,” she said.
“They also need the PPE, the personal protective equipment, in order to protect themselves, to save their lives, as they save other lives.”
On this 2nd stimulus bill, Pelosi wants more money for hospitals and state governments and that
that makes a lot of sense.
Many people are having to go through a lot extra work and exposing themselves to the virus themselves, -from truck drivers to get food to our stores and people to put that food on the shelf to a multitude of workers.
They all need not just our appreciation but financial assistance as well.
Neither they nor hospitals, state and local governments got very much help from the federal leadership of the Trump leadership.
How much longer can they continue to survive without some assistance?
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Post by fixit on Apr 18, 2020 4:46:04 GMT -5
What it shows, is how can a system be so flawed that it throws up Trump and Clinton in 2016, a “past it” Biden for 2020, and has geriatrics in McConnell and Pelosi as the Majority leaders in the Senate and Congress respectively? I presume it's about money and connections, rather than ability.  |
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2020 12:03:39 GMT -5
I haven't gotten any stimulus check as yet. I don't know if I even quality, -since I my income isn't enough to pay income tax.
However, -if I should get check I'll be damned if I would ever give it to Dan, -who stated that his "customers are hiding in their houses and shaking like frightened bunnies."
Nor will I give it to someone who is so either deceptive or so ignorant as to say "his employees" are going on "cruise ships!" I never asked, nor do I want anyone's check?? As I've said, I'm not broke, and from what you've described, you need a check a lot more than I do.
My customers are hiding out in their houses, I know because I've talked to many of them. Why do you consider that a bad thing? Aren't you isolated in your house too? People are staying home because they're frightened, there's no shame in that, so don't get on any guilt trip.
You said that employers & employees are in the same boat. From a financial perspective I disagreed, thus my analogy between a cruise liner and a kayak. I wasn't literally saying anyone was taking a cruise, but just differentiating between the figurative boats. Sorry that wasn't clear to you.
And, your consumers are going to continue hiding and not coming out even if there is a back to work ordered. Here is a perspective that I somewhat agree with. Florida is opening it's beaches and so resorts are calling employees back to work. But no one is travelling. And it really doesn't matter what the government says, if people are afraid they will not travel, go back to work etc. just because the government says so. |
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2020 12:04:53 GMT -5
Most everyone probably knows that antibiotics so not work against viruses because viruses aren't bacteria. Trump was speaking about antibiotics and bacteria. Yes, yet he gives the impression that he thinks people should take notice of what he says. I think most people would know that antibiotics attack bacteria and are useless against viruses. And most people would know that if you speak as an authority on a subject you know nothing about you make a fool of yourself and lose all credibility. Not Trump. He's too stupid to know he's stupid. At least Bush knew his limitations and did listen to the right people at the right times. |
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Post by snow on Apr 18, 2020 12:17:38 GMT -5
Trump will never ever take responsibility for anything. He will play the blame game and he knows how to do that really well. There is documented proof that he didn't take this serious until mid March. In the first week of March he was still calling it a dem ploy to make him look bad and that it was all under control. No worries attitude. Then he comes out around the 15th of March saying he always knew it was serious. And people still believe things he says and fall for his revisions of what actually happened. Now he is blaming WHO. Sure they could have done things better, but he can't say he was never warned or briefed because he definitely was, way back in November we are now learning. We knew before that he was warned again in January but he still ignored those warnings. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/WHO-Trump-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR2nHLJOqI4z-d4Za0pGdzUgYPxfrSOaVdTUdo43FDz9xc1zV3kDq2SXstE |
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