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Post by Dan on Apr 15, 2020 20:06:02 GMT -5
That's cool, I understand your focus on the immediate concern and danger.
I just think there's been an over-reaction by essentially shutting down the entire nation (world). The World Health Organization has determined that the flu kills between 250,000 to 500,000 people each year. About 10% of U.S. residents get influenza each year. About 100,000 are hospitalized and 36,000 Americans die each year from the complications of the flu. COVID19 world death count is 123,348, less than half of what the flu kills. The USA death count is 24,480.... So to date, the regular flu has been more fatal than the corona virus.
Are you not listening to the news concerning this virus's or is it that you do not believe the news is ccurate?
Do you believe that the worldwide information that we are receiving is being inflated?
If you believe that that information is inaccurate and for some reason it is being inflated, -do you have any ideas as to why that would happen and who or what would be behind such misinformation?
I don't downplay the virus, but the fact is that the common flu has claimed more lives. Covid19 is mainly deadly to those over 65 with preexisting conditions. So precautions yes, but lock everyone in their houses for months, no. I think if it were real serious, they'd require everyone to wear mask in public, but they don't require that. Anyhow, I've seen the data and am convinced that the risk in my area is extremely remote. I take all necessary precautions, but responsibilities just don't allow me to lay around the house week after week. I have one source of income, and the risk of me losing that is much higher than the slim chance of contracting a virus. If I had a regular job and was being paid not to work, I'd be vacationing like everyone else, but such is not the case. As to misinformation, yes I've heard a lot of it, early on they were advising everyone not to wear mask, and that may have been the stupidest advise ever given. I just try to avoid crowds and stay clean, in fact, I'm being so cautious that I already took a shower yesterday and its not even the first of the month yet! This whole thing has obviously made me paranoid.
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Post by fixit on Apr 15, 2020 20:50:18 GMT -5
It's frustrating that fools like Trump have persistently downplayed the seriousness of this virus. Today Trump is still saying the worst is over but he doesn't have a clue who is carrying it because he hasn't provided enough test kits. You have a reality TV star in the White House, not the kind of leadership the American people need. It was an awful show. I saw about fifteen seconds of it once which was enough. I can assure you it doesn't get better with the watching. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2020 0:08:43 GMT -5
Dan, -I could begin by telling you how your statistics are not relevant to today's corona virus, -but first I am more curious as to why you continue to downplay the severity of this virus.
Are you not listening to the news concerning this virus's or is it that you do not believe the news is ccurate?
Do you believe that the worldwide information that we are receiving is being inflated?
If you believe that that information is inaccurate and for some reason it is being inflated, -do you have any ideas as to why that would happen and who or what would be behind such misinformation?
I don't downplay the virus, but the fact is that the common flu has claimed more lives.
Covid19 is mainly deadly to those over 65 with preexisting conditions.
So precautions yes, but lock everyone in their houses for months, no.
I think if it were real serious, they'd require everyone to wear mask in public, but they don't require that.
Anyhow, I've seen the data and am convinced that the risk in my area is extremely remote.
I take all necessary precautions, but responsibilities just don't allow me to lay around the house week after week.
I have one source of income, and the risk of me losing that is much higher than the slim chance of contracting a virus.
If I had a regular job and was being paid not to work, I'd be vacationing like everyone else, but such is not the case.
As to misinformation, yes I've heard a lot of it, early on they were advising everyone not to wear mask, and that may have been the stupidest advise ever given.
I just try to avoid crowds and stay clean, in fact, I'm being so cautious that I already took a shower yesterday and its not even the first of the month yet!
whole thing has obviously made me paranoid.
I am just too angry! 
I'm quite sure my blood pressure just went sky high 
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2020 0:47:39 GMT -5
Dan, I just can't even answer you right now.
I am just too angry!
I'm quite sure my blood pressure just went sky high
That's probably best, take a chill pill and try to deal with those anger issues  We all need to tolerate opinions that we may not agree with. Not everyone shares your priorities, but its obvious that your very afraid of this virus. I personally
can't sit home day after day, I'm just not made like that. If the virus didn't get me, cabin fever would. I guess some folks just cherish their freedom more than others. Watch that blood pressure, it sounds like being cooped-up is getting to you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2020 1:51:05 GMT -5
Dan, I just can't even answer you right now.
I am just too angry!
I'm quite sure my blood pressure just went sky high
That's probably best, take a chill pill and try to deal with those anger issues We all need to tolerate opinions that we may not agree with.
Not everyone shares your priorities, but its obvious that your very afraid of this virus.
I personally can't sit home day after day, I'm just not made like that.
If the virus didn't get me, cabin fever would.
I guess some folks just cherish their freedom more than others. Watch that blood pressure, it sounds like being cooped-up is getting to you?
I'm not sure why you believe that "its obvious that your (I'm) very afraid of this virus.."
(please check the spelling difference between you're and your, Dan)
Because for myself, at 88 years old, -I am not really very concerned about my own death.
I do find it difficult to understand why you would have "cabin fever."
Cabin fever isn't bothering me.
I am sewing face masks out of the multitude of material I have accumulated throughout the years and giving them to my neighbors.
I would be glad to send you a few face masks so you can get out of the "cabin" once in a while if you like.
As for me taking a "chill" pill.
I have no need for a "chill pill" -I have encountered many others like yourself and I have survived thus far.
Nice that we have "chill" pills though, -but it would be nice if science were able to develop some kind of "empathy" pill for some people.
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Post by fixit on Apr 16, 2020 4:49:21 GMT -5
Dan, -I could begin by telling you how your statistics are not relevant to today's corona virus, -but first I am more curious as to why you continue to downplay the severity of this virus.
Are you not listening to the news concerning this virus's or is it that you do not believe the news is ccurate?
Do you believe that the worldwide information that we are receiving is being inflated?
If you believe that that information is inaccurate and for some reason it is being inflated, -do you have any ideas as to why that would happen and who or what would be behind such misinformation?
I don't downplay the virus, but the fact is that the common flu has claimed more lives. Covid19 is mainly deadly to those over 65 with preexisting conditions. So precautions yes, but lock everyone in their houses for months, no. I think if it were real serious, they'd require everyone to wear mask in public, but they don't require that. Anyhow, I've seen the data and am convinced that the risk in my area is extremely remote. I take all necessary precautions, but responsibilities just don't allow me to lay around the house week after week. I have one source of income, and the risk of me losing that is much higher than the slim chance of contracting a virus. If I had a regular job and was being paid not to work, I'd be vacationing like everyone else, but such is not the case. As to misinformation, yes I've heard a lot of it, early on they were advising everyone not to wear mask, and that may have been the stupidest advise ever given. I just try to avoid crowds and stay clean, in fact, I'm being so cautious that I already took a shower yesterday and its not even the first of the month yet! This whole thing has obviously made me paranoid.
Yes, taking a shower more often than monthly does seem paranoid. COVID-19 should not be compared with the common flu. Trump made that mistake early on and now he's blaming the WHO. The confusion about whether or not to wear a mask is mostly of Trump's making: www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/im-not-going-to-do-it-trump-refutes-his-own-administrations-advice-on-masks |
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Post by fixit on Apr 16, 2020 4:56:02 GMT -5
I think if it were real serious, they'd require everyone to wear mask in public, but they don't require that. So by your own admission, this is real serious? EuropeWearing a surgical mask is compulsory in the Czech Republic. Every citizen has to wear a surgical mask by law throughout the pandemic. On March 29, Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babis urged US President Donald Trump to adopt the same approach, tweeting: "Mr President, try tackling the virus the Czech way. Wearing a simple cloth mask decreases the spread of the virus by 80 percent." In Austria, masks are also recommended for preventing the spread of the virus. Last Wednesday, the country banned residents from entering a supermarket without a mask. "It's necessary to take this step to further reduce the spread," said Austrian chancellor Sebastian Kurz. In Germany, the eastern city of Jena became the first in Germany to introduce compulsory face masks for shoppers - yet the Government in Berlin warns masks could contribute to a false sense of security. Masks have also been made mandatory in Slovakia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. United States
US health officials and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are now advising all Americans to wear simple cloth covering when out in public to help prevent the country's escalating outbreak of the virus. AsiaThe use of face masks is strongly encouraged in mainland China, Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Thailand and Taiwan, with the product even being widely distributed to homes and families in some areas. AfricaAs reported by Reuters, Morocco has now made wearing face masks mandatory, starting on Tuesday, for anyone allowed to go out during the virus outbreak. |
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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2020 13:11:27 GMT -5
Then why doesn't it allow them to believe that he will still love them even if they can't make it to church in a time when staying away can prevent a lot of pain and suffering among his people? I don't get that. God is supposed to be within us, nothing we can do will get us saved, so why wouldn't it be just the same to have a personal one on one relationship at home with him or in an on line service as going to church? This isn't about God or worshiping for these people, this about their belief that their religious rights have been taken away. That's all they care about imo. Religious freedom bears a correlation to secular freedom. Think about the Jews demands for religious freedom from Pharoah. Its a leftist trick to tell the religious they need not exist because "your God lives inside so there's no need to come outside". For every example of religious people being stupid I want you to post at least one example of religious people being smart and at least one example of religious people being persecuted to better reflect the nature of most religious people. Make sure to include Christians in your posts. Where did I say Christians were stupid? Do you think they are stupid and you are projecting something into my post? Right now there is no reason to get together face to face with there is the technology for people to have on line meetings and services. That's not too much to ask for in a time we are trying to get this under some semblance of control. Jesus said it was within us. Are you saying it's not? |
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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2020 13:20:15 GMT -5
Dan, -I could begin by telling you how your statistics are not relevant to today's corona virus, -but first I am more curious as to why you continue to downplay the severity of this virus.
Are you not listening to the news concerning this virus's or is it that you do not believe the news is ccurate?
Do you believe that the worldwide information that we are receiving is being inflated?
If you believe that that information is inaccurate and for some reason it is being inflated, -do you have any ideas as to why that would happen and who or what would be behind such misinformation?
I don't downplay the virus, but the fact is that the common flu has claimed more lives. Covid19 is mainly deadly to those over 65 with preexisting conditions. So precautions yes, but lock everyone in their houses for months, no. I think if it were real serious, they'd require everyone to wear mask in public, but they don't require that. Anyhow, I've seen the data and am convinced that the risk in my area is extremely remote. I take all necessary precautions, but responsibilities just don't allow me to lay around the house week after week. I have one source of income, and the risk of me losing that is much higher than the slim chance of contracting a virus. If I had a regular job and was being paid not to work, I'd be vacationing like everyone else, but such is not the case. As to misinformation, yes I've heard a lot of it, early on they were advising everyone not to wear mask, and that may have been the stupidest advise ever given. I just try to avoid crowds and stay clean, in fact, I'm being so cautious that I already took a shower yesterday and its not even the first of the month yet! This whole thing has obviously made me paranoid.
There are plenty of young people dying from it. Healthy nurses and doctors are dying from it because they didn't have masks to help them out. It's not about whether or not YOU get it. You may have it and not even know you do and you are still contagious to anyone you meet. The whole reason why we are distancing and locking down is so it doesn't get so bad that our hospitals can't handle all the cases. Field hospitals are already having to be set up to handle the infected that need care in the hot spots. The hot spots are where there hasn't been a lock down so it's a fact that lock down is helping. Also, NY just made masks mandatory for everyone out in a public place. So it's likely coming to your state at some time if this continues to escalate. You've just had the two deadliest days with over 2500 dead in a matter of 12 hours. Do you really think it's not much worse than the flu? I do sympathize with your financial situation. I understand it's your one source of income. I don't know what the answer is for you and I guess you have to do what you think you have to do. But at least wear a mask and gloves and try to stay as safe as you can be and also keep others safe from you in case you are one of the fortunate ones that don't have any symptoms but are still contagious. |
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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2020 13:37:21 GMT -5
I think if it were real serious, they'd require everyone to wear mask in public, but they don't require that. So by your own admission, this is real serious? EuropeWearing a surgical mask is compulsory in the Czech Republic. Every citizen has to wear a surgical mask by law throughout the pandemic. On March 29, Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babis urged US President Donald Trump to adopt the same approach, tweeting: "Mr President, try tackling the virus the Czech way. Wearing a simple cloth mask decreases the spread of the virus by 80 percent." In Austria, masks are also recommended for preventing the spread of the virus. Last Wednesday, the country banned residents from entering a supermarket without a mask. "It's necessary to take this step to further reduce the spread," said Austrian chancellor Sebastian Kurz. In Germany, the eastern city of Jena became the first in Germany to introduce compulsory face masks for shoppers - yet the Government in Berlin warns masks could contribute to a false sense of security. Masks have also been made mandatory in Slovakia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. United States
US health officials and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are now advising all Americans to wear simple cloth covering when out in public to help prevent the country's escalating outbreak of the virus. AsiaThe use of face masks is strongly encouraged in mainland China, Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Thailand and Taiwan, with the product even being widely distributed to homes and families in some areas. AfricaAs reported by Reuters, Morocco has now made wearing face masks mandatory, starting on Tuesday, for anyone allowed to go out during the virus outbreak. and the state of NY just got added to that list. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-face-masks-andrew-cuomo.html |
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Post by fixit on Apr 16, 2020 13:37:37 GMT -5
I don't downplay the virus, but the fact is that the common flu has claimed more lives. Covid19 is mainly deadly to those over 65 with preexisting conditions. So precautions yes, but lock everyone in their houses for months, no. I think if it were real serious, they'd require everyone to wear mask in public, but they don't require that. Anyhow, I've seen the data and am convinced that the risk in my area is extremely remote. I take all necessary precautions, but responsibilities just don't allow me to lay around the house week after week. I have one source of income, and the risk of me losing that is much higher than the slim chance of contracting a virus. If I had a regular job and was being paid not to work, I'd be vacationing like everyone else, but such is not the case. As to misinformation, yes I've heard a lot of it, early on they were advising everyone not to wear mask, and that may have been the stupidest advise ever given. I just try to avoid crowds and stay clean, in fact, I'm being so cautious that I already took a shower yesterday and its not even the first of the month yet! This whole thing has obviously made me paranoid.
There are plenty of young people dying from it. Healthy nurses and doctors are dying from it because they didn't have masks to help them out. It's not about whether or not YOU get it. You may have it and not even know you do and you are still contagious to anyone you meet. The whole reason why we are distancing and locking down is so it doesn't get so bad that our hospitals can't handle all the cases. Field hospitals are already having to be set up to handle the infected that need care in the hot spots. The hot spots are where there hasn't been a lock down so it's a fact that lock down is helping. Also, NY just made masks mandatory for everyone out in a public place. So it's likely coming to your state at some time if this continues to escalate. You've just had the two deadliest days with over 2500 dead in a matter of 12 hours. Do you really think it's not much worse than the flu? I do sympathize with your financial situation. I understand it's your one source of income. I don't know what the answer is for you and I guess you have to do what you think you have to do. But at least wear a mask and gloves and try to stay as safe as you can be and also keep others safe from you in case you are one of the fortunate ones that don't have any symptoms but are still contagious. Here in New Zealand we're told to act as if we have it, and to treat everyone else as if they have it. The lockdown and testing is showing good results. Cases are levelling off while tests are ramping up.   |
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Post by fixit on Apr 16, 2020 15:47:59 GMT -5
Covid19 is mainly deadly to those over 65 with preexisting conditions. Here's the experience of a healthy 34-year-old with no underlying health conditions: ***************************************************************************************************************** By mid-week, a dry cough had set in and my breathing got shorter and sharper. One of the worst moments came on Thursday when I got up for the third time that night. After getting out of the shower, I got dressed in the bathroom but slumped to the floor clutching my chest and gasping for air. At the end of half-an-hour on the tiles I still couldn't stand up so had to crawl on my hands and knees back to the bedroom and literally climb into bed. I never told my already worried family, friends or colleagues that bit. I did not think I was going to die but it absolutely felt like the virus was trying hard to kill me. I've never been so sick, or scared. This is no ordinary cold or flu and the simplistic comparisons to seasonal flu during the early stages of the coronavirus pandemic did a huge disservice to public safety. www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/121068568/coronavirus-after-10-days-of-hell-take-it-from-me--you-dont-want-to-catch-covid19 |
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Post by iam on Apr 16, 2020 17:14:48 GMT -5
This has been a productive day. Totally up to date with our filing and shredded tax returns and papers dating back to 2004!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 17:42:40 GMT -5
The problem with that is some, maybe even many, landlords will have mortgages to pay so don't have the flexibility to waive payments. Even if the banks freeze payments you can bet they will be still accruing interest! I have heard that banks that have deferred mortgage payments are still charging interest on the interest accrued during the deferral. It's not perfect but it's something. Here in Alberta we have been told that renters do not have to pay rent. The banks for the most part have deferred mortgage payments, but as said above, will charge interest on the interest. Hopefully we will be able to get back to work soon enough that these measures won't take too great a toll on everyone, but it's not looking good on that front. The difference between American banks and Canadian banks is that the US banks are all private companies. Canadian banks are chartered banks and they are required to maintain adequate assets the will prevent them from failing. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 17:58:52 GMT -5
No help from banks yet, my bank isn't even open.. I have no debt, so don't need any relief in that respect. They are suppose to provide loans, but taking on debt to solve a problem government has created isn't a viable solution for me either. Its kind of like someone taking a sledge hammer to your car and then offering you a low interest loan to get all the dents fixed. The government is doing everything they can to put me out of business, while simultaneously offering loans to prolong the agony. Borrowing money so you can afford to stay closed is a poor business decision.
"I’m from the federal government and I’m here to help you” is what Ronald Reagan called, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language” Good news though, yesterday I found some Angel Soft toilet paper at a Dollar General store. Miracles do happen... I remember as a kid how chocolate bunnies and jelly beans were what we looked forward to getting on Easter, now its toilet paper! My how times have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 18:06:55 GMT -5
well i don't think that putting anyone out of business is the goal of the gov't at this point in the virus rage its more of a rock and a hard place.... But that's the capitalist model -- helping them survive is a social concept. i've had 4 economics 101, 102, 201 202 classes and i don't remember anything about the gov't being involved in putting people out of business as a core principle of capitalism....you would have to really evaluate socialism and communism to find business crushing models... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 18:14:40 GMT -5
WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET THE "ASSUMPTION" THAT WE WERE RICH?
Why do you think "we" are only "looking at the immediate picture?"
Why do you think that you are the only one "considering the bigger picture?" When people lecture you on the necessity of staying home with no income coming in for a couple months, I guess I just mistakenly presumed that they themselves have the financial means to do that.
No. They're maintaining the capitalist principle. [/div] Most seem consumed with the immediate picture, which is understandable, but not many have expressed concern with the longer term economic impact. Probably because you have no business at risk.
[/quote] Business risk is the core of the capitalist model. [/div] The bigger picture is keeping businesses in business after the fact,
[/quote] Unless you don't believe in insurance, defense against risk is a social concept. But you need to be concerned about that. They're your clients. They don't exist for your security. [/div] You seem to have a unique propensity to extrapolate negative connotations from simple comments. But no ones attacking you, so there's no reason to get defensive or to exaggerate an opinion into a personal put down. Just stating that your not wealthy or that you have considered the post corona virus scenario would suffice. No need to get accusational or angry.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 18:31:54 GMT -5
But that's the capitalist model -- helping them survive is a social concept. i've had 1 economics 101 class and i don't remember anything about the gov't being involved in putting people out of business as a core principle of capitalism....you would have to really evaluate socialism and communism to find business crushing models... Of course not. I didn't say socialism -- I said social "concept", a shared concern for each other's good. I know about business crushing models. Communism is at it's core dictatorial. Socialism is as democratic or dictatorial as a nation makes it. Something as simple as patronizing a business appears in these days to be a "social concept", like all other social concepts, to be avoided when benefits are not mutual. Bottom like, all business exists for the benefit of humans in their shared societies. Charity is a social concept, not restricted to denominations. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 18:52:08 GMT -5
Of course not. I didn't say socialism -- I said social "concept", a shared concern for each other's good. I know about business crushing models. Communism is at it's core dictatorial. Socialism is as democratic or dictatorial as a nation makes it. Something as simple as patronizing a business appears in these days to be a "social concept", like all other social concepts, to be avoided when benefits are not mutual. Bottom like, all business exists for the benefit of humans in their shared societies. Charity is a social concept, not restricted to denominations. still capitalism is more of a survival of the fittest model rather than a gov't interfering to put someone out of business model....I don't think anyone has selected dan's business for termination do you? |
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Post by fixit on Apr 16, 2020 18:53:46 GMT -5
Wealth doesn't grow on trees -- it originates in the labor of the unwealthy. That could be true sometimes but business owners often work harder than employees and it's not uncommon for them to earn less. Let's see how this recession pans out. It may be that a lot of employers lose their homes because banks and other creditors require a personal guarantee. Also, capital can replace labor to a large extent as a creator of wealth e.g. someone with capital can buy a front-end loader to drive himself, and replace the labor of 100 men with shovels and wheelbarrows. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 19:33:29 GMT -5
Of course not. I didn't say socialism -- I said social "concept", a shared concern for each other's good. I know about business crushing models. Communism is at it's core dictatorial. Socialism is as democratic or dictatorial as a nation makes it. Something as simple as patronizing a business appears in these days to be a "social concept", like all other social concepts, to be avoided when benefits are not mutual. Bottom like, all business exists for the benefit of humans in their shared societies. Charity is a social concept, not restricted to denominations. still capitalism is more of a survival of the fittest model rather than a gov't interfering to put someone out of business model....I don't think anyone has selected dan's business for termination do you? Of course not. I'm explaining you're a bit of a socialist yourself. I'm quite suspicious that you wouldn't mind at all if the government gave him a hand. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 19:43:34 GMT -5
Wealth doesn't grow on trees -- it originates in the labor of the unwealthy. That could be true sometimes but business owners often work harder than employees and it's not uncommon for them to earn less. It doesn't matter how hard one has to work -- it's what people are willing to pay for it.  Oh, I'm sympathetic. But the employees have the exact same problem. But before any of that happens, the original capital came out of someone's pocket. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2020 19:50:37 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has selected dan's business for termination do you? I didn't at first, but now advanced paranoia has set-in and I'm convinced they're all out to get me..
But seriously "No", I don't feel I've been specifically selected for termination, but am just a victim of a general rule that's applicable to everyone who runs a business. Kind of like when the Nazi's ushered people into the 'showers' at Auschwitz, it wasn't a personal vendetta against any specific individual, but just a general requirement that all Jews had to comply with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 20:09:25 GMT -5
still capitalism is more of a survival of the fittest model rather than a gov't interfering to put someone out of business model....I don't think anyone has selected dan's business for termination do you? I'm explaining you're a bit of a socialist yourself. I'm quite suspicious that you wouldn't mind at all if the government gave him a hand. not really....as to giving a hand maybe in the form of low interest loans(sorry dan)which would be the capitalist way of doing things and BTW i am returning my stimulus check to the IRS today mother is keeping hers.....both me and mother received ours over the last couple days.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 20:10:25 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has selected dan's business for termination do you? I didn't at first, but now advanced paranoia has set-in and I'm convinced they're all out to get me..
But seriously "No", I don't feel I've been specifically selected for termination, but am just a victim of a general rule that's applicable to everyone who runs a business. Kind of like when the Nazi's ushered people into the 'showers' at Auschwitz, it wasn't a personal vendetta against any specific individual, but just a general requirement that all Jews had to comply with.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 16, 2020 20:12:09 GMT -5
I'm explaining you're a bit of a socialist yourself. I'm quite suspicious that you wouldn't mind at all if the government gave him a hand. not really....as to giving a hand maybe in the form of low interest loans(sorry dan)which would be the capitalist way of doing things and BTW i am returning my stimulus check to the IRS today mother is keeping hers.....both me and mother received ours over the last couple days.... I am curious about these cheques. Are these payments paper based or electronic? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 20:13:02 GMT -5
not really....as to giving a hand maybe in the form of low interest loans(sorry dan)which would be the capitalist way of doing things and BTW i am returning my stimulus check to the IRS today mother is keeping hers.....both me and mother received ours over the last couple days.... I am curious about these cheques. Are these payments paper based or electronic? both apparently....mine was electronically... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 16, 2020 20:17:10 GMT -5
I'm explaining you're a bit of a socialist yourself. I'm quite suspicious that you wouldn't mind at all if the government gave him a hand. not really....as to giving a hand maybe in the form of low interest loans(sorry dan)which would be the capitalist way of doing things and BTW i am returning my stimulus check to the IRS today mother is keeping hers.....both me and mother received ours over the last couple days.... The stimulus check wasn't charity to you -- it was charity in the form of cash to be spent to help businesses like Dan's. Give it to him. |
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